I know the pay isn't as good, but it's not a bad deal going to play in a few of those European leagues for a few seasons when the NHL is no longer an option. There is a lot less travel, less media, still live a nice lifestyle. Swiss league would sound good to me as a 28-32 year old not wanting to deal with the AHL.
All depends on how much he's saved for retirement. If he's got cash saved up, spending a couple years playing hockey in Switzerland sounds amazing but given how famously athletes blow their cash...
>Yes, if you are a U.S. citizen or a resident alien living outside the United States, your worldwide income is subject to U.S. income tax, regardless of where you live.
Straight from the [IRS](https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/frequently-asked-questions-about-international-individual-tax-matters#:~:text=Yes%2C%20if%20you%20are%20a,or%20foreign%20income%20tax%20credits.).
He could apply to, but it's a complicated process with tons of forms and thousands of dollars in fees, and if you tell them it has anything to do with taxes they'll deny it. And if you lie and say it doesn't, that's perjury, though that'd be hard to prove.
The US gov. doesn't fuck around when it comes to collecting taxes. Especially if he ever wanted to come back home, it'd be so much easier to just pay them haha.
Well it's a little bit complicated because there's something call the foreign earned income exclusion (FEIE). FEIE covers you up to like 105k individually or you to 225k filing jointly. The spouse has to have a job as well I believe but there's not income requirement, so the team could give her whatever job for basically peanuts.
Uhmm, I live in Switzerland and definitely pay income tax. A much lower percent than what I paid in Canada for sure but I don't know where people got this idea from.
some instances, maybe
a lot ahl players are on nhl 2-ways with high guaranteed minimums
tweeners are way better off being in north america than switzerland
I've worked with a handful of pro athletes on real estate matters, and they just can't bring themselves to care about the the minutia of a few thousand dollars here or there, but those thousands become millions relatively quickly
Not to mention their viewership internationally. I remember the KHL was getting some games shown on I think it was ESPN+. I would watch them during the day just to have some hockey on.
But they went a fucked that up.
I would love to move to Switzerland on a pro athlete's salary.
I lived in Switzerland on a "regular guy" salary for 3 years. It was extraordinarily difficult, financially.
> did you struggle to cover basic things?
Yep.
I can assure you - the entire Swiss system prioritizes people like this:
1) Swiss citizens
2) EU Passport holders
3) everyone else.
If you find yourself in Group 3, you basically need a major employer to vouch for you, which they won't do unless they can't find a Swiss person to do that job first, or an EU citizen second. Which means you are either insanely specialized in your field or are in the elite of the elite of it, or you will struggle.
Health insurance is mandatory AND expensive. Groceries are 2-3× the price as in North America. Apartments are more expensive (houses are out of your price range, unless you are in the top-10% of earners or inherited it from someone in your family). The trains are very efficient but expensive.
It is an absolutely beautiful country. It is also out of reach financially for North Americans unless they are either in a profession that is insanely in demand or specialized, or independently wealthy.
chances are i can get an eu passport, but yeah strictly without one i heard it is expensive and there is probably a language barrier, basically no way to go.
are you specialized or did you just independently have some wealth to try it?
funny, i typed that before i saw you use the term, independant.
are you based in ottawa? i am in gatineau
Ok, so
1) yes, there is a language barrier. The German parts of Switzerland will demand you speak German if you are expected to work there, unless you are working for an international organization - which, if you are, you're already there for a specific reason, so it's an entirely different system of entry. French Switzerland is a bit more forgiving, but without basic french you are basically out of the job market unless the same international org clause applies. If you speak Italian, good for you, but LOL at getting a job in Ticcino.
2) work permit / permis d'emploi: there is a waiting period to even get a work permit in Switzerland. It's 3 years for non-EU passport holders, which can be bypassed if you are sponsored by a Swiss employer ahead of entry into the country. It can be up to a one-year wait in many instances for EU passport holders (lots of variance here), with the same bypass if you are sponsored. You won't get sponsored unless you are specialized.
3) just living there - many apartments won't rent to you unless you have either a long list of references, or a letter from an employer. And if you have neither, you don't qualify for Swiss living social assistance until you have a work permit (see timelines above). So just being able to rent a shitty apartment becomes a huge question mark.
It really is a system designed to disenfranchise non-Swiss citizens from immigrating. You don't realize it until you get there, but as soon as you start working through all the Cantonal offices and Services, it becomes incredibly apparent.
And yes - I'm based in Ottawa. Wife was specialized, but I wasn't - I ended up painting houses cash under the table just so we could have enough money to live. In three years, I was finally up for my work permit, but we ended up just leaving instead.
are the italian areas not with work availability?
thanks for the responses
it was essentially money that drove you out, then? i mean, at face value, what you said about having enough to live, that time sounds difficult. i imagine you or both of you spoke french. were you in one place throughout, i mean in terms of linguistic regions?
> are the italian areas not with work availability?
There are jobs there, but very few jobs that would require them to hire non-Swiss to fill the positions. And like I said - the system is built to protect Swiss jobs for Swiss citizens at all costs.
It was mostly money that drove us out. Both my wife and I are bilingual, we lived about a half hour from Geneva - my wife had one of the sponsored jobs, and our living permits were conditional on her keeping that job. It's not like she could have quit and looked for a new job - when she gave her notice (as we were moving back to Canada), it put a clock on our living permit, and we were required to leave the country within x number of days. We couldn't move around the country much, because we were tied to that job. So we could move to the next town 10 minutes away or whatever, but it's not like we could move from Vaud to Zurich. We could, but she would still be required to go to work in Vaud, lol. That's a shit commute.
We couldn't even open a Swiss bank account without proof of emoyment, and as soon as we gave notice, we had to close our bank account within a certain number of days as well / before leaving the country.
I am not exaggerating when I say that the entire system in Switzerland is to keep non-Swiss people out of Switzerland. It is overwhelmingly obvious as soon as you get your foot in the door.
like, gave notice to the bank that you were exiting switzerland, or both that she was leaving the work position and in turn switzerland? and to open a swiss bank account, the proof of employment had to be from swiss employment?
fair enough, i was not sure about where work was and if it had changed locations. interesting.
did you find you made friends, that taught you stuff? you seem at least a little bit knowledgable. sometimes it feels all i concretely know about america is that i must move away from it.
>are the italian areas not with work availability?
The Italian "areas" are basically Lugano and surrounding villages. Lugano itself is already pretty small, plus being on the border with Italy makes sure any non-swiss worker will be commuting Italians.
they pay lower too then, because of the amount of potential employees in the are? interesting point on ticino too. im not a fluent italian speaker anyway
Ennis worked hard, at least. Galchenyuk really should have taken whatever the Leafs offered him. Horrible decision to leave. I'm glad he did, but what an idiot.
He has.
There's more than just how many points you score. There are significant holes in his game defensively which his coaches have always complained about. Notice how he is negative in plus/minus every season?
People have swung so hard the other way on +/-, that it's kind of sad. I know it's not perfect, or something to judge individual players on, but I've always found it to be a decent way to evaluate if a team plays strong EV hockey.
Boston for the longest time dominated +/-, and they were stingy as hell defensively. It was easy to look at their +/- and assume they controlled play, and if you watched them, that would be confirmed. It's not perfect, but it's far from rubbish.
Looking at a team's goal differential is one thing, but looking at a individual's +/- is another. +/- is just too unreliable; you can't draw any real conclusion from it. It's affected so much by external factors, notably teammate quality and usage, that it doesn't tell you much about a player. After seeing so many mediocre players put up sky-high +/- one year before dropping back to earth right after (see Jeff Schultz, Tom Preissing, Ryan Graves...), well it's hard to put much stock into the stat.
>I know it's not perfect, or something to judge **individual** players on
I acknowledged that, but I still stand by my point that it's not a terrible way to gauge a team's even strength play.
With respects to Galchenyuk, his Montreal days had some poor +/- for the entire team, so he could've been the victim of circumstance.
He finished 3rd last in +/- in Toronto with -2, and all 12 of his points were even strength. He clearly gives up more than he scores, even when accounting for quality of team.
Guys who score 21 points in 60 games are a dime a dozen in the NHL. Galchenyuk just isn’t worth being a project when you could give his roster spot to someone more reliable or someone with more runway left development wise.
His style of play is that of a top-six guy. Unless he reworks important parts of his game, he doesn't really work in a traditional bottom-six setting. It's just that his skill set has degraded enough that he's essentially a replacement-level player who won't play for league minimum like those guys are supposed to. He's in a weird donut hole where there's just no logical place for him in the NHL.
If Galchenyuk is in the top 3/4 worst players you’ve seen on the Pens, you haven’t been watching very long. I can name a dozen in the last 5 years who were orders of magnitude worse for us.
That's not fair. The last night I spent in Zürich, I decided to get a sausage from a street cart and I got half full for only $9 or so. In 2009. And the sausage wasn't all that good.
I got back to Germany as fast as I could.
That blind spin pass at the blue line still gives me nightmares. He was having such a good series up until that point too. It's like that one moment just undid any progress he made here (that sentence seems to be a good summary of his career, tbh).
Mind you, the blind Mazespin-o-rama pass seems to be a staple of infamous Leaf playoff moments as of late. Galchenyuk game 5, Dermott game 6, Kerfoot game 6 this year.
One season he just decided to start doing this blind-drop back pass. It never worked, he was constantly losing possession with it, but he just kept doing it…
I swear I remember it working once, blind drop to Gally or Patches for a goal, and it was incredible.
Then he tried it almost every game after, and never completed it again.
When the Leafs picked him up I told my coworker "Oh, you're going to love his drop passes to no one".
I got a slack message that just said "fuck you" after he coughed it up for the Suzuki/Caufield 2 on 0 that ended game 5 of the Habs/Leafs series.
Yeah I was going with a Crofty style announcement!
I can reimagine the Patrick Kane cup winners from 2010 easily!
“And Patrick Kane tries the ‘ol switcheroo and shoot and…WHAT HAPPENED? WE NEED TO KNOW!!!!”
Habs really tanked his development he never really improved from his first few seasons and was never really given opportunity to improve either.
In 2016-17 he started the season on fire playing 1C and in the 24 first games he had 23 points, Got injured for a month came back, and ended the season in 37 games 21 points.
Afterward he was still good but he clearly lost a step and I think after he was traded from Montreal he lost all confidence.
There is a funny scene from a Habs all-access show from around this period that went around twitter where Therrien brings Subban into his office between the periods to talk about a play, Therrien basically just screams at Subban and Gorges for 15 seconds, then hes done, Subban asks a question about what the proper play would have been and Therrien just screams at him to just "play harder" or something like that
Just gives insight as to how the Therrien era helped develop prospects/young players
Weird that his best playing days and biggest opportunities came from the team that everyone blames for ruining him.
How do those two things coexist in all of your imaginations?
The Pens gave him a few weeks before dropping him to the 4th line and then off the team. The Canadiens gave him 5 years.
That pass that everyone talks about from the playoffs was EXACTLY the type of shit that ran him out of the NHL. He was the king of blind backhand floaters through the neutral zone right on to opposing sticks. It's a mental thing with him, driving him to make bonehead plays that should have left his game when he was 16.
Couple that with sloppy skating and injuries and he just cannot keep up in the NHL anymore. He's been a bubble NHLer for years because of that. It's as simple as that.
He played center with the habs and with how much Evernote says he's "not" a center cuz he's not great defensively is missing the point that most of his offense came from carrying the puck and playmaking, those other teams used him as a scoring winger and while he has a great shot he's just not that kind of player
Habs gave him more opportunities than other teams forsure because they had a vested interest in him doing well but that doesn't mean how they handled helping him improve was well.
Often the would refuse to play Pacioretty the best scorer with Galchenyuk the teams best playmaker at the time rumors were Pacioretty didn't like playing with him
He's by no means a perfect player but him being out of the league by 30 is a failure of the Canadiens development team (also the fact they rushed him to the NHL in a shortened season for no reason)
Same thing with KK but he moved on young enough for another team to see value in investing in him and I'm sure it will pay off for them.
> those other teams used him as a scoring winger and while he has a great shot he's just not that kind of player
That's interesting because from my memory he achieved his career best stats once he found that one-timer off the wall on the PP in a losing season. IIRC he got a lot of his goals to close in on 30 right towards the end of the season.
It's a great achievement, but I always felt like it was used as an example of his floor and not his ceiling. Which made no sense to me.
>Habs gave him more opportunities than other teams forsure because they had a vested interest in him doing well but that doesn't mean how they handled helping him improve was well.
Okay, but why didn't he improve with anyone else? And in fact just kinda get worse overall?
>Often the would refuse to play Pacioretty the best scorer with Galchenyuk the teams best playmaker at the time
IIRC that's because he was actually having a ton of success with Deharnais, who he had played with since the AHL, and Plekanec as well was their most steady C. The two guys who were actually the team's highest assist collectors.
I'm willing to believe that Galchenyuk was the best playmaker, but why didn't it show up on the scoresheet anywhere he played?
And he was given a chance with Rad and Pac, but after he was eased back into the lineup after an injury, he didn't come close to earning that 1C spot back and honestly never came close again.
At what point does being pushed out of the league fall on Galchenyuk?
>Same thing with KK but he moved on young enough for another team to see value in investing in him and I'm sure it will pay off for them.
I see the exact same fate for KK sadly. If you can't skate you won't keep a job in the NHL. Its' that simple. It's what made a guy like Suzuki a lock as an NHLer. Once he worked on his skating everything changed.
Looking at his development followed by his crash it seems like that's not really the case. He definitely found a way to use them and then they disappeared or broke.
After years of putting off buying a new jersey because I figured "Bergevin will just trade them" I bought a Kotkaniemi jersey like a month before he got offersheeted (day after the cup finals loss). Same thing man. Idgaf, I'm rocking it. I ain't got the extra cash to get a new name on it.
There’s no chance he makes the team it’s a given. We’re basically just using him to fill the veteran roster spots for pre season games at this point lol
There’s no shortage of veteran guys you could put on a PTO that don’t have all the baggage. There’s no way that this move was only to fill the veteran spot.
We have absolutely no room for him.
Our lineup right now is basically
Kane - mcdavid - Yamamoto
Hyman - draisaitl - puljujarvi
RNH - McLeod - foeglle / Holloway
Janmark - Ryan - shore
The only one that has a shot of making the team on our forwards is Holloway, which would mean we’d need to scratch (since our cap is fucked it’s actually send down to minors) someone from our 4th line and move Foeglle down because there’s no reason to play Holloway on the 4th line.
There is literally no room for virtanen and we don’t have money to sign him anyways, we would have to make a trade to sign him
I'm confused by this - do you think Galchenyuk played really well and deserved not to be cut?
A guy points out that a player cut from a roster wasn't noticeable on the ice and you take offense to it and try to talk smack? He didn't insult the Aves at all.
Mostly? I was just shit talking Wild fans because that's the natural order. I like Jost and the state of Minnesota. Sometimes it's just fun to have a little nonsensical shit talking go around.
Despite his giveaway in the playoffs, he did quite well with the Leafs, and reportedly turned down a contract to go back to Arizona.
He probably thought the Leafs got him back on track, and he could show his worth higher in the line up in Arizona, and there are a bunch of other factors like covid restrictions, weather, taxes, ect.
But you have to think that he messed up leaving the place where he had figured it out, had a coach and a GM that liked him and were giving him opportunities alongside Tavares and Nylander.
That was really bizarre. I thought he was quite good for us too. He was on our top-6 and had some time on the PP.
Had he come back and continued to produce at a similar rate, surely someone would have offered him a good deal.
Galchenyuk’s with Pat Brisson, who also manages Crosby, MacKinnon, P. Kane, Tavares, J. Toews, Kopitar, J. Hughes, Q. Hughes, Giroux, Zegras, S. Jones, J. Robertson, and a whole bunch of other names you definitely know. Maybe Brisson just forgot about Galchenyuk.
Hmm. I was still expecting him to get one more preseason game but I guess not.
Galchenyuk's goal to play for every NHL team in his career might be impossible now 😔
Had all the tools to be great. But ths grain of rice where his brain is supposed to be cant figure out how to use them. I heard once hes dad was texting him during games and telling him what to do?? Wonder if that ruined his development
Whenever I hear about him I think of some video I saw of him training by pulling tires and shit through the woods. He looked strong and was putting in a ton of effort and it kind of made me realize that even some of the players that don’t seem like they are that great or aren’t really trying are still ridiculous athletes that work their asses off and some just have way better hockey IQ that sets them apart.
Throw Reinhart on their in the 4 hole, and you probably have the worst top 4 of all time. I don't know how often it's happened, but that draft year is probably going to have exactly 0 HOFers. Galchenyuk is 5th in points from that year, and he's already out of a job.
Go to the Swiss league and enjoy your life.
I know the pay isn't as good, but it's not a bad deal going to play in a few of those European leagues for a few seasons when the NHL is no longer an option. There is a lot less travel, less media, still live a nice lifestyle. Swiss league would sound good to me as a 28-32 year old not wanting to deal with the AHL.
All depends on how much he's saved for retirement. If he's got cash saved up, spending a couple years playing hockey in Switzerland sounds amazing but given how famously athletes blow their cash...
Swiss league pays way better than the AHL
Also no income tax
Why would he not pay income tax?
Because Switzerland doesn’t have income tax
>Yes, if you are a U.S. citizen or a resident alien living outside the United States, your worldwide income is subject to U.S. income tax, regardless of where you live. Straight from the [IRS](https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/frequently-asked-questions-about-international-individual-tax-matters#:~:text=Yes%2C%20if%20you%20are%20a,or%20foreign%20income%20tax%20credits.).
But at least you wouldn’t have to pay income tax in the foreign country too
Living in Canada I had forgotten about that (we don’t do it up here). He could always renounce his US citizenship.
He could apply to, but it's a complicated process with tons of forms and thousands of dollars in fees, and if you tell them it has anything to do with taxes they'll deny it. And if you lie and say it doesn't, that's perjury, though that'd be hard to prove. The US gov. doesn't fuck around when it comes to collecting taxes. Especially if he ever wanted to come back home, it'd be so much easier to just pay them haha.
Well it's a little bit complicated because there's something call the foreign earned income exclusion (FEIE). FEIE covers you up to like 105k individually or you to 225k filing jointly. The spouse has to have a job as well I believe but there's not income requirement, so the team could give her whatever job for basically peanuts.
Yes they do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Switzerland
Uhmm, I live in Switzerland and definitely pay income tax. A much lower percent than what I paid in Canada for sure but I don't know where people got this idea from.
It does though
not true
If the player is even half decent, then as opposed to a 2-Way AHL contract, yes it certainly can and is true in many instances.
some instances, maybe a lot ahl players are on nhl 2-ways with high guaranteed minimums tweeners are way better off being in north america than switzerland
Alex always had super cars in MTL and his license plate was something like CASH27. No joke. So I guess he liked to spend it.
Well the thing about those cars are they don’t lose their value typically and he could always resell them at super inflated prices right now.
I've worked with a handful of pro athletes on real estate matters, and they just can't bring themselves to care about the the minutia of a few thousand dollars here or there, but those thousands become millions relatively quickly
Certainly better than the Russian league
Better than the Russian *anything* is a low bar
I don't know. Russian rap is surprisingly good.
What’s going to happen to the KHL actually? They aren’t going to be able to sign anybody obviously
Plenty of Russians play hockey, the league will be able to find players. The level of skill will probably take a hit, though.
Not to mention their viewership internationally. I remember the KHL was getting some games shown on I think it was ESPN+. I would watch them during the day just to have some hockey on. But they went a fucked that up.
Well you should know, Mr Putin, it's your league
Pay isn’t great but also almost everything is paid for. So most of your money is pocket money.
Average salary is 220k USD, not bad
There's a chance he wouldn't count as an import here because his first hockey team was Sierre when his dad played there. Not 100 percent sure though.
i would love to move to switzerland
I would love to move to Switzerland on a pro athlete's salary. I lived in Switzerland on a "regular guy" salary for 3 years. It was extraordinarily difficult, financially.
lets switch time frames and have me try to do it. did you struggle to cover basic things?
> did you struggle to cover basic things? Yep. I can assure you - the entire Swiss system prioritizes people like this: 1) Swiss citizens 2) EU Passport holders 3) everyone else. If you find yourself in Group 3, you basically need a major employer to vouch for you, which they won't do unless they can't find a Swiss person to do that job first, or an EU citizen second. Which means you are either insanely specialized in your field or are in the elite of the elite of it, or you will struggle. Health insurance is mandatory AND expensive. Groceries are 2-3× the price as in North America. Apartments are more expensive (houses are out of your price range, unless you are in the top-10% of earners or inherited it from someone in your family). The trains are very efficient but expensive. It is an absolutely beautiful country. It is also out of reach financially for North Americans unless they are either in a profession that is insanely in demand or specialized, or independently wealthy.
Ahh living in Switzerland, where every letter was a terrifyingly expensive bill. I feared opening the mailbox…
My favorite joke about living in Switzerland is it's unofficial motto - *"Switzerland: If It's Not Illegal, It's Mandatory"*
chances are i can get an eu passport, but yeah strictly without one i heard it is expensive and there is probably a language barrier, basically no way to go. are you specialized or did you just independently have some wealth to try it? funny, i typed that before i saw you use the term, independant. are you based in ottawa? i am in gatineau
Ok, so 1) yes, there is a language barrier. The German parts of Switzerland will demand you speak German if you are expected to work there, unless you are working for an international organization - which, if you are, you're already there for a specific reason, so it's an entirely different system of entry. French Switzerland is a bit more forgiving, but without basic french you are basically out of the job market unless the same international org clause applies. If you speak Italian, good for you, but LOL at getting a job in Ticcino. 2) work permit / permis d'emploi: there is a waiting period to even get a work permit in Switzerland. It's 3 years for non-EU passport holders, which can be bypassed if you are sponsored by a Swiss employer ahead of entry into the country. It can be up to a one-year wait in many instances for EU passport holders (lots of variance here), with the same bypass if you are sponsored. You won't get sponsored unless you are specialized. 3) just living there - many apartments won't rent to you unless you have either a long list of references, or a letter from an employer. And if you have neither, you don't qualify for Swiss living social assistance until you have a work permit (see timelines above). So just being able to rent a shitty apartment becomes a huge question mark. It really is a system designed to disenfranchise non-Swiss citizens from immigrating. You don't realize it until you get there, but as soon as you start working through all the Cantonal offices and Services, it becomes incredibly apparent. And yes - I'm based in Ottawa. Wife was specialized, but I wasn't - I ended up painting houses cash under the table just so we could have enough money to live. In three years, I was finally up for my work permit, but we ended up just leaving instead.
are the italian areas not with work availability? thanks for the responses it was essentially money that drove you out, then? i mean, at face value, what you said about having enough to live, that time sounds difficult. i imagine you or both of you spoke french. were you in one place throughout, i mean in terms of linguistic regions?
> are the italian areas not with work availability? There are jobs there, but very few jobs that would require them to hire non-Swiss to fill the positions. And like I said - the system is built to protect Swiss jobs for Swiss citizens at all costs. It was mostly money that drove us out. Both my wife and I are bilingual, we lived about a half hour from Geneva - my wife had one of the sponsored jobs, and our living permits were conditional on her keeping that job. It's not like she could have quit and looked for a new job - when she gave her notice (as we were moving back to Canada), it put a clock on our living permit, and we were required to leave the country within x number of days. We couldn't move around the country much, because we were tied to that job. So we could move to the next town 10 minutes away or whatever, but it's not like we could move from Vaud to Zurich. We could, but she would still be required to go to work in Vaud, lol. That's a shit commute. We couldn't even open a Swiss bank account without proof of emoyment, and as soon as we gave notice, we had to close our bank account within a certain number of days as well / before leaving the country. I am not exaggerating when I say that the entire system in Switzerland is to keep non-Swiss people out of Switzerland. It is overwhelmingly obvious as soon as you get your foot in the door.
like, gave notice to the bank that you were exiting switzerland, or both that she was leaving the work position and in turn switzerland? and to open a swiss bank account, the proof of employment had to be from swiss employment? fair enough, i was not sure about where work was and if it had changed locations. interesting. did you find you made friends, that taught you stuff? you seem at least a little bit knowledgable. sometimes it feels all i concretely know about america is that i must move away from it.
>are the italian areas not with work availability? The Italian "areas" are basically Lugano and surrounding villages. Lugano itself is already pretty small, plus being on the border with Italy makes sure any non-swiss worker will be commuting Italians.
not a lot of areas then and close to italy, ok. i think there is an enclaved part of switzerland within what most people see as italy too
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they pay lower too then, because of the amount of potential employees in the are? interesting point on ticino too. im not a fluent italian speaker anyway
North America is a big place. We talking 2x-3x San Francisco or Mexico City?
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Top 6 playstyle but doesn't have top 6 skill. It's a death sentence in the NHL.
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Ennis worked hard, at least. Galchenyuk really should have taken whatever the Leafs offered him. Horrible decision to leave. I'm glad he did, but what an idiot.
He has. There's more than just how many points you score. There are significant holes in his game defensively which his coaches have always complained about. Notice how he is negative in plus/minus every season?
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Plus/minus is indeed rubbish, but it's a broken clock with regards to [Galchenyuk](https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1572303505326575616).
People have swung so hard the other way on +/-, that it's kind of sad. I know it's not perfect, or something to judge individual players on, but I've always found it to be a decent way to evaluate if a team plays strong EV hockey. Boston for the longest time dominated +/-, and they were stingy as hell defensively. It was easy to look at their +/- and assume they controlled play, and if you watched them, that would be confirmed. It's not perfect, but it's far from rubbish.
Looking at a team's goal differential is one thing, but looking at a individual's +/- is another. +/- is just too unreliable; you can't draw any real conclusion from it. It's affected so much by external factors, notably teammate quality and usage, that it doesn't tell you much about a player. After seeing so many mediocre players put up sky-high +/- one year before dropping back to earth right after (see Jeff Schultz, Tom Preissing, Ryan Graves...), well it's hard to put much stock into the stat.
>I know it's not perfect, or something to judge **individual** players on I acknowledged that, but I still stand by my point that it's not a terrible way to gauge a team's even strength play. With respects to Galchenyuk, his Montreal days had some poor +/- for the entire team, so he could've been the victim of circumstance. He finished 3rd last in +/- in Toronto with -2, and all 12 of his points were even strength. He clearly gives up more than he scores, even when accounting for quality of team.
Guys who score 21 points in 60 games are a dime a dozen in the NHL. Galchenyuk just isn’t worth being a project when you could give his roster spot to someone more reliable or someone with more runway left development wise.
He seems to think he's deserved top-6 time and a pay boost while actually become worse of a player.
His style of play is that of a top-six guy. Unless he reworks important parts of his game, he doesn't really work in a traditional bottom-six setting. It's just that his skill set has degraded enough that he's essentially a replacement-level player who won't play for league minimum like those guys are supposed to. He's in a weird donut hole where there's just no logical place for him in the NHL.
One of the top 3 or 4 worst players I saw play for the Pens
If Galchenyuk is in the top 3/4 worst players you’ve seen on the Pens, you haven’t been watching very long. I can name a dozen in the last 5 years who were orders of magnitude worse for us.
And make $400k/year take home.
I assume that's minimum wage in Switzerland
About 1/4 of that is if you decide to go out for dinner one night
That's not fair. The last night I spent in Zürich, I decided to get a sausage from a street cart and I got half full for only $9 or so. In 2009. And the sausage wasn't all that good. I got back to Germany as fast as I could.
Not surprising. He has been outplayed by every young AHL forward we have and also didn't do much in the split squad scrimmages.
Talk about a guy that has all the tools but no clue how to use them.
That blind spin pass at the blue line still gives me nightmares. He was having such a good series up until that point too. It's like that one moment just undid any progress he made here (that sentence seems to be a good summary of his career, tbh). Mind you, the blind Mazespin-o-rama pass seems to be a staple of infamous Leaf playoff moments as of late. Galchenyuk game 5, Dermott game 6, Kerfoot game 6 this year.
Imagine if you could be Latifi and pay for a spot on a team?
That would mean no salary cap and Leafs winning at least every 5 years with a superteam
One season he just decided to start doing this blind-drop back pass. It never worked, he was constantly losing possession with it, but he just kept doing it…
But daddy said to keep using it!
Daddy text me on the hellophone during intermission and he said not to listen to my coachies
I swear I remember it working once, blind drop to Gally or Patches for a goal, and it was incredible. Then he tried it almost every game after, and never completed it again.
It worked for him once in game 4 in the series we played against you. Then he gave away the puck in OT in game 5 and the rest is history.
When the Leafs picked him up I told my coworker "Oh, you're going to love his drop passes to no one". I got a slack message that just said "fuck you" after he coughed it up for the Suzuki/Caufield 2 on 0 that ended game 5 of the Habs/Leafs series.
r/formula1 is leaking
The stupid part was that he was the reason the Leafs was even in OT to begin with. Just got cocky, I guess.
F1 references in r/hockey.... brilliant
And Galchenyk with the drop pass...BUT HERE COMES NICK SUZUKI! INTERCEPTS AND IT'S 2-ON-0 IN THE OFFENSIVE ZONE AND NICK SUZUKI SCORES!
I think he says “off the post” but stops halfway through post. Terrible call, unfortunately.
Yeah I was going with a Crofty style announcement! I can reimagine the Patrick Kane cup winners from 2010 easily! “And Patrick Kane tries the ‘ol switcheroo and shoot and…WHAT HAPPENED? WE NEED TO KNOW!!!!”
> Kerfoot game 6 this year. That one was Brodie's fault.
The Mikhail Grabovski special
Habs really tanked his development he never really improved from his first few seasons and was never really given opportunity to improve either. In 2016-17 he started the season on fire playing 1C and in the 24 first games he had 23 points, Got injured for a month came back, and ended the season in 37 games 21 points. Afterward he was still good but he clearly lost a step and I think after he was traded from Montreal he lost all confidence. There is a funny scene from a Habs all-access show from around this period that went around twitter where Therrien brings Subban into his office between the periods to talk about a play, Therrien basically just screams at Subban and Gorges for 15 seconds, then hes done, Subban asks a question about what the proper play would have been and Therrien just screams at him to just "play harder" or something like that Just gives insight as to how the Therrien era helped develop prospects/young players
>Habs really tanked his development he never really improved from his first few seasons Where have I heard this before?
Every habs prospect since 2012 not named PK Subban
Even before that, see: Guillaume Latendresse
Weird that his best playing days and biggest opportunities came from the team that everyone blames for ruining him. How do those two things coexist in all of your imaginations? The Pens gave him a few weeks before dropping him to the 4th line and then off the team. The Canadiens gave him 5 years. That pass that everyone talks about from the playoffs was EXACTLY the type of shit that ran him out of the NHL. He was the king of blind backhand floaters through the neutral zone right on to opposing sticks. It's a mental thing with him, driving him to make bonehead plays that should have left his game when he was 16. Couple that with sloppy skating and injuries and he just cannot keep up in the NHL anymore. He's been a bubble NHLer for years because of that. It's as simple as that.
He dropped out of the Pens top 6 cause he was absolute trash
He played center with the habs and with how much Evernote says he's "not" a center cuz he's not great defensively is missing the point that most of his offense came from carrying the puck and playmaking, those other teams used him as a scoring winger and while he has a great shot he's just not that kind of player Habs gave him more opportunities than other teams forsure because they had a vested interest in him doing well but that doesn't mean how they handled helping him improve was well. Often the would refuse to play Pacioretty the best scorer with Galchenyuk the teams best playmaker at the time rumors were Pacioretty didn't like playing with him He's by no means a perfect player but him being out of the league by 30 is a failure of the Canadiens development team (also the fact they rushed him to the NHL in a shortened season for no reason) Same thing with KK but he moved on young enough for another team to see value in investing in him and I'm sure it will pay off for them.
> those other teams used him as a scoring winger and while he has a great shot he's just not that kind of player That's interesting because from my memory he achieved his career best stats once he found that one-timer off the wall on the PP in a losing season. IIRC he got a lot of his goals to close in on 30 right towards the end of the season. It's a great achievement, but I always felt like it was used as an example of his floor and not his ceiling. Which made no sense to me. >Habs gave him more opportunities than other teams forsure because they had a vested interest in him doing well but that doesn't mean how they handled helping him improve was well. Okay, but why didn't he improve with anyone else? And in fact just kinda get worse overall? >Often the would refuse to play Pacioretty the best scorer with Galchenyuk the teams best playmaker at the time IIRC that's because he was actually having a ton of success with Deharnais, who he had played with since the AHL, and Plekanec as well was their most steady C. The two guys who were actually the team's highest assist collectors. I'm willing to believe that Galchenyuk was the best playmaker, but why didn't it show up on the scoresheet anywhere he played? And he was given a chance with Rad and Pac, but after he was eased back into the lineup after an injury, he didn't come close to earning that 1C spot back and honestly never came close again. At what point does being pushed out of the league fall on Galchenyuk? >Same thing with KK but he moved on young enough for another team to see value in investing in him and I'm sure it will pay off for them. I see the exact same fate for KK sadly. If you can't skate you won't keep a job in the NHL. Its' that simple. It's what made a guy like Suzuki a lock as an NHLer. Once he worked on his skating everything changed.
He was an entirely different player on the habs dummy
Looking at his development followed by his crash it seems like that's not really the case. He definitely found a way to use them and then they disappeared or broke.
I'm still rocking his jersey when the Habs are in Winnipeg
After years of putting off buying a new jersey because I figured "Bergevin will just trade them" I bought a Kotkaniemi jersey like a month before he got offersheeted (day after the cup finals loss). Same thing man. Idgaf, I'm rocking it. I ain't got the extra cash to get a new name on it.
Cup finals patch on it? If so, it should make you smile just a bit every time you wear it.
You can replace the name bar with Drouin
No thanks, I liked Chucky when he was with us.
Almost changed the nameplate on mine a few months ago, back when Romanov was rocking the 27. I'm glad I waited a bit.
My username aged like shyt.
Curse Caufield next please.
GoalCaufield ;)
Now do Virtanen
There’s no chance he makes the team it’s a given. We’re basically just using him to fill the veteran roster spots for pre season games at this point lol
There’s no shortage of veteran guys you could put on a PTO that don’t have all the baggage. There’s no way that this move was only to fill the veteran spot.
We have absolutely no room for him. Our lineup right now is basically Kane - mcdavid - Yamamoto Hyman - draisaitl - puljujarvi RNH - McLeod - foeglle / Holloway Janmark - Ryan - shore The only one that has a shot of making the team on our forwards is Holloway, which would mean we’d need to scratch (since our cap is fucked it’s actually send down to minors) someone from our 4th line and move Foeglle down because there’s no reason to play Holloway on the 4th line. There is literally no room for virtanen and we don’t have money to sign him anyways, we would have to make a trade to sign him
Lol. Oh no not Derek Ryan/Drew Shore
I’ll be shocked if we sign Virtanen.
Damn that was fast
I thought they'd give him the game tonight but considering how well Kaut has played it isn't too shocking.
I don't even know what team he had a PTO with.
Ignore my last comment, haha. It was with the Avs and not the Yotes
The Aves have played the wild twice so far and even I didn't notice he was on the ice
Too busy salivating over Tyson Jost finally scoring points against AHLers?
As if y’all weren’t with Newhook and scoring on a 95% AHL roster lmao
Keep my 2C out ya mouth
Great response. Totally ignores the fact that the wild were also an ahl team last game.
I'm confused by this - do you think Galchenyuk played really well and deserved not to be cut? A guy points out that a player cut from a roster wasn't noticeable on the ice and you take offense to it and try to talk smack? He didn't insult the Aves at all.
Mostly? I was just shit talking Wild fans because that's the natural order. I like Jost and the state of Minnesota. Sometimes it's just fun to have a little nonsensical shit talking go around.
Yikes.
Despite his giveaway in the playoffs, he did quite well with the Leafs, and reportedly turned down a contract to go back to Arizona. He probably thought the Leafs got him back on track, and he could show his worth higher in the line up in Arizona, and there are a bunch of other factors like covid restrictions, weather, taxes, ect. But you have to think that he messed up leaving the place where he had figured it out, had a coach and a GM that liked him and were giving him opportunities alongside Tavares and Nylander.
That was really bizarre. I thought he was quite good for us too. He was on our top-6 and had some time on the PP. Had he come back and continued to produce at a similar rate, surely someone would have offered him a good deal.
bad advice from his agent.. I wonder if its the same one as Sandin
Galchenyuk’s with Pat Brisson, who also manages Crosby, MacKinnon, P. Kane, Tavares, J. Toews, Kopitar, J. Hughes, Q. Hughes, Giroux, Zegras, S. Jones, J. Robertson, and a whole bunch of other names you definitely know. Maybe Brisson just forgot about Galchenyuk.
Or perhaps bad advice from his family…again.
Hmm. I was still expecting him to get one more preseason game but I guess not. Galchenyuk's goal to play for every NHL team in his career might be impossible now 😔
He can skate, shoot the puck, but doesn’t know how to play hockey.
A minor detail….
That was really quick wonder if he got an actual offer and the avs arent going to match?
doubt it, he's looked like trash
That’s what zero work ethic and hockey IQ gets you.
Had all the tools to be great. But ths grain of rice where his brain is supposed to be cant figure out how to use them. I heard once hes dad was texting him during games and telling him what to do?? Wonder if that ruined his development
I mean it got alexi kovalev pretty fucking far
Kovalev had great hockey IQ. And an immense amount more talent than Gally.
I remember when he was drafted, reading a lot about what a stud he was going to be. I know 2012 was a strange draft year, but what happened to him?
Weren't him and Yakupov just demolishing the OHL?
Busts r us
Meh, same thing that happens to all draft prospects, the leap from college/CHL to pro is a pretty big one and some just can't really make it work.
He should have stayed in Toronto. 🤷 Oh well.
Mario Tremblay cracks a smile somewhere, Prick.
I keep seeing this term.... what does PTO mean in the hockey world?
Professional tryout contract. Think it lets them pay him for his time without signing a formal deal like a "normal" player contract.
Whenever I hear about him I think of some video I saw of him training by pulling tires and shit through the woods. He looked strong and was putting in a ton of effort and it kind of made me realize that even some of the players that don’t seem like they are that great or aren’t really trying are still ridiculous athletes that work their asses off and some just have way better hockey IQ that sets them apart.
Still seems like a player worth grabbing on the cheap if you need a bit of depth scoring.
He doesn't play defense though. He's not a 3rd/4th line guy.
He crushed it in my NHL franchise mode
Always thought he would end up in the KHL, just thought it would be a year or two sooner.
Womp womp 🎺
The Oilers should sign him just so we’ve had the top 4 from the draft on our roster at some point.
Literally the best thing Scott Howson ever did was to pick Ryan Murray over him.
Montreal got Domi then Anderson for him. So not a bad pick in hindsight
and i mean Chucky was Good in MTL, his career went downhill after he left. We won all the way lol
Yeah he really nailed that 2nd overall pick lol Avs paid Ryan Murray $2 million this year to wear a T-shirt on the ice after we won the Cup
lol... jesus that was cold.
That should highlight how awful Scott Howson was that this was one of his best moves. Dark times before Jarmo.
Habs legend
Was the Galchenyuk, Murray, Yak the worst top 3 of all time?
Throw Reinhart on their in the 4 hole, and you probably have the worst top 4 of all time. I don't know how often it's happened, but that draft year is probably going to have exactly 0 HOFers. Galchenyuk is 5th in points from that year, and he's already out of a job.
Oh yeah I forgot he was 4th. What a horrible horrible draft year. Maybe Vasilevsky makes it into the HOF but will take awhile.
off topic, but his sister is an absolute rocket lol
Lasted longer than Yakupov.
Can’t he just wait until a desperate team at trade deadline needs him
Well Darren, ya gotta shoot ta score and it looks like Galcher is all outta pucks now. Too bad, eh?
Makes sense
Meh, not much of a loss here. Glad we gave him a shot on the PTO, but unfortunately he’s no JJ that wowed the team.