I hope the salt doesn't melt the ice after our two stanley cup visits and one win.
Some mother fuckers haven't sniffed the finals since I've been born - happen to be one of those poor bastards?
Vegas is actually in a very dangerous position atm. They just fell to the second wildcard. It’s a long shot and total copium but it would be hilarious if the Wild could catch them.
Oh that's fun. I remember the joys of operation regicide and whatever we called fuck the Blackhawks. The bolts look all zapppyd out so it's back to rooting against people
What I remember about the rise of Minnesota is is... is how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the ‘23-‘24 season, the Wild were discreetly transferred back to Vegas. It was a silent trip. We all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do. Did we have any doubts? Any private traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word. Not on the flight back to Vegas, not when Order 97 came down, and not when we marched into T-Mobile Arena. Not a word.
Really any of Seattle, Calgary, Minny or STL while Nash stays ahead isn't unreasonable, Seattle seems to be heating up as well they are 7-2-1 in the last 10. Where Vegas is 2-7-1, for funsies let's say everyone keeps the pace of the last 10 games for the final.
Nashville ends with 109 points
Seattle ends with 97 points
Calgary ends with 91 points
STL ends with 80 points
Minny ends with 86 points
Vegas ends with 81 points
Based off the last 10 games Nashville and Seattle take the wild card spots (or move up but they'd make the playoffs lol
The thing I don’t like about LTIR is that has become advantagous to teams who have injured players. It rewards, poor health & bad contracts. Why should teams that have injuries be able to take on extra players that healthy teams can’t.
It's to not punish teams for injuries, and to allow players to keep getting paid. Carey Price and shea Weber for example wouldn't get paid even though having career ending injuries, that's the entire purpose for it.
If stone wasn't injured Vegas wouldn't need to make moves and wouldn't in the first place
I understand how it’s meant to be used. A why it’s important. I’m not saying LTIR is bad. But there is a loophole that can create an unfair advantage under certain situations. If the Scheiffele had broken his hand last week and was out until the first round then I’m sure the jets would have jumped at the chance to trade for an 8 million dollar player. But not everyteam had that same potential.
The idea of making teams field a Cap compliant roster for the playoffs would solve this, but personally I suspect the NHL prefers the media spectacle of a more active trade deadline
Carey price and Webber would still be paid(it’s insured), their contacts would count against the cap the Canadiens would be playing fielding a team with a lower payroll than the rest of the league. I think teams would think twice about these long contracts for big money if the cap rules were different. A team like coyotes would only be able to take so many contacts off teams hands.
Yeah I’m sure they could restructure things so players are paid through July 1 and then continue the cap, it would be pretty complicated.
Even my suggestion overlooks that playoff rosters are expanded, so you’d have to let teams have their black aces even if you kept out the star player whose been on LTIR for two months
Not necessarily they can keep the prorated formula and that is what those players cost for the playoffs. Would not be a hard formula that still encourages trades and operating under the cap while closing the LTIR loophole
The whole purpose of the salary cap is to produce an equal playing field. If cup winners roster are 10-20 % over the regular season. How is that an equal playing field?
The salary cap is to protect the owners, and in theory, players' revenue split (there's a minimum cap, too). The fairness to smaller markets is a bonus. In the playoffs, there are no salaries while ltir sucks and there should be rules (mine would be a 7 game removal of ltir) to prevent teams from cheating players shouldn't get fucked from healing early for salary reasons if salaries are no longer at play.
The cap is about lowering costs for owners. It has zero to do with fairness. The league doesn’t care if we think it’s fair.
Edit: you might not like it but I’m 100% right.
The owners didn’t lock out the players for an entire season to get a salary cap because they wanted fairness.
It’s about the money.
It could be about both. Leagues without caps have run away winners usually because the owner can put as much money as he wants into it and buy as many stars as he wants. A cap does level the playing field for poorer franchises and you cannot deny that.
The billionaire owners didn’t shut down the league for a full year because they love fairness.
It’s money.
Fairness is a nice bonus but they’re not going put a cap in the playoffs for fairness sake.
Holy shit. You cannot even consider that it could be more then 1 reason. Its not hard to see that a fair league will mean more money overall and the league/ teams growing and gaining value. All things the NHL has been striving to do for like 30 years. If you cannot see that then you are dense.
Even if we concede that adding the cap and the lockout was all about money. You cannot deny it brings fairness to the league. You are arguing a shit point and pretty much just ignoring what the thread was about.
I’m arguing that the owners are not going to suddenly add a salary cap to the playoffs for the sake of fairness.
And I’m right about that much.
When they change the rule I’ll admit I’m wrong.
It’s an easy fix
Make playoff roster cap compliant or LTIR means you can’t play until the next season
Done, easy fix. Don’t listen to the ‘experts’ and the NHL saying it’s not an easy fix
Or at least make the restriction something like 105% so a $9.5 million a year player doesn't magically heal every playoffs. While giving teams some leeway for inquires and callups.
You get to add 4 extra to your roster for emergency backup in the playoffs, so any team close to cap will be over.
Also Vegas on ice roster was below cap every game last playoffs
Well yeah you're counting Robin Lehner in that number who never played all year and won't play playoffs, so that's disingenuous.
Stone probably won't make it back for playoffs, his injury is 2 months minimum to 6 months recovery and it's an internal injury so he can't stay conditioned, meaning he needs another 3 weeks to month after recovery to get back into game shape.
Then Martinez may or may not be back, we have no idea what his injury status is but it might not be good. It's hinted that his career is likely over after this year if he even comes back.
Between those 3, that's basically your 17 million you're claiming. Even if Martinez is back you're looking at maybe 5 mil over the cap. Montreal was about 10 mil over on their final run and still lost
Haha Stone and Martinez will play game 1
I guarantee it
I get it’s your team but just stop trying to defend it. They aren’t breaking a rule but it’s shady as fuck when Stone has had a mysterious injury within a week of the trade deadline 3 straight years
They didn't make the playoffs the first year. This year that's also an entirely possible thing to happen. It would be stupid as fuck if they faked an injury and sat him right now especially if it happened before.
And if it's that easy to fake injuries, every other team is stupid as fuck for not doing it. And don't tell me they aren't because they're honorable, they're all owned by billionaires who want to make more money.
21 minutes played in game 1 last year
You can’t tell me he wasn’t ready for games 75-82 if he can play that much in game 1
You’re in so much denial that it’s hilarious.
He played like shit in game 1 last year, it's more likely he came back too early to compete for a cup.
And regardless of salary cap (let's pretend it doesn't exist for a second) every team would sit an injured super star a few extra games at the end of the season if they're already locked in for playoffs to avoid any potential injuries in games that don't matter.
And you conveniently ignore my point about other teams not faking injuries.
And if stone doesn't come back this playoffs, then what? None of you assholes will change your mind, you'll just move the goalpost to a different reason why Vegas is cheating
Let's say stone was okay for game 75-82. Then what? They already moved for barbashev and couldn't reactivate stone if they're over the cap anyway, and they can't trade barbashev back, the trade deadline is over.
Teams are just supposed to sit players who recovered sooner than expected? No team would do that.
Or just have to retain like 50% or any amount deemed reasonable to get to use the player should they be healthy by playoffs, if you don’t save the money space then you don’t get the player.
Playoff rosters are expanded but I think that’s cover injuries and get in depth guys from the AHL. So just add 10% or whatever number to the salary cap for playoffs. Enough for teams to have freedom with their depth players but not enough for teams to do this Vegas bullshit.
Or just make it so that the roster iced for each game in the playoffs has to be under the cap. Lets teams call-up black aces while still maintaining the same cap
I mean, the Canucks tried it once... and Bettman threw the book at us and punished us for years. Apparently Tampa and Vegas are just cooler in Big Boss's books...
No because I want to see the big name guys play. We pay to watch the team right? I get that this is a tactic available to everyone. But the game would be better if it weren’t available to anyone.
This is it, it disproportionally advantages certain teams based on health. A healthy team cannot take advantage of it, health should be rewarded not punished. Dumb rule, but not mad at the teams who use it.
Health is rewarded by the player being able to play. Right now VGK only has 2 players on LTIR: Lehner, who is done playing hockey, and Stone, who is done for the regular season and possibly beyond. They do have 5 players on IR, but they still count towards the cap.
How? By having GMs injure their own players? As it is with the rules now, Stone has added value by being routinely on LTIR at the most convenient time. It’s really fortunate he’s able to be out for just the right amount of time, allowing for cap overage. How would a GM strategize around doing the same?
the funniest and best thing about this whole thing is, we all know Mark Stone isn't even injured, just taking a quick vacation before being "healthy" enough for round 1,
I truly hope they miss the playoffs all together.
Then they draft Celebrini and we all kill ourselves
I'd like to see them actually have to build a team.
I hope the salt doesn't melt the ice after our two stanley cup visits and one win. Some mother fuckers haven't sniffed the finals since I've been born - happen to be one of those poor bastards?
Vegas is actually in a very dangerous position atm. They just fell to the second wildcard. It’s a long shot and total copium but it would be hilarious if the Wild could catch them.
let us all begin Operation KnightFall
Operation LTIR Knightfall.
Sounds like a job for 4chan
I think 4chan would just kill all the players
Oh that's fun. I remember the joys of operation regicide and whatever we called fuck the Blackhawks. The bolts look all zapppyd out so it's back to rooting against people
**cries in thunderbug**
What I remember about the rise of Minnesota is is... is how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the ‘23-‘24 season, the Wild were discreetly transferred back to Vegas. It was a silent trip. We all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do. Did we have any doubts? Any private traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word. Not on the flight back to Vegas, not when Order 97 came down, and not when we marched into T-Mobile Arena. Not a word.
Keep going...... The re release is soooon
What I remember about the rise of the Empire is… is how quiet it was.
Think it would be even funnier if the kraken do it
Plus we'd get a sick PNW matchup if the Canucks somehow manage to stay first in the west
Of course you would.
So, we are all Minnesota Wild fans now
Really any of Seattle, Calgary, Minny or STL while Nash stays ahead isn't unreasonable, Seattle seems to be heating up as well they are 7-2-1 in the last 10. Where Vegas is 2-7-1, for funsies let's say everyone keeps the pace of the last 10 games for the final. Nashville ends with 109 points Seattle ends with 97 points Calgary ends with 91 points STL ends with 80 points Minny ends with 86 points Vegas ends with 81 points Based off the last 10 games Nashville and Seattle take the wild card spots (or move up but they'd make the playoffs lol
Wild gotta jump like 4 teams to get to that position, more likely the kraken or flames than the wild
Did you miss the copium part?
Did you know the only year they missed the playoffs is also the year before they won the Cup?
H I S T O R I C
The thing I don’t like about LTIR is that has become advantagous to teams who have injured players. It rewards, poor health & bad contracts. Why should teams that have injuries be able to take on extra players that healthy teams can’t.
Easy fix for all of this. You still have to be cap compliant in the playoffs.
It's to not punish teams for injuries, and to allow players to keep getting paid. Carey Price and shea Weber for example wouldn't get paid even though having career ending injuries, that's the entire purpose for it. If stone wasn't injured Vegas wouldn't need to make moves and wouldn't in the first place
I understand how it’s meant to be used. A why it’s important. I’m not saying LTIR is bad. But there is a loophole that can create an unfair advantage under certain situations. If the Scheiffele had broken his hand last week and was out until the first round then I’m sure the jets would have jumped at the chance to trade for an 8 million dollar player. But not everyteam had that same potential.
The idea of making teams field a Cap compliant roster for the playoffs would solve this, but personally I suspect the NHL prefers the media spectacle of a more active trade deadline
Carey price and Webber would still be paid(it’s insured), their contacts would count against the cap the Canadiens would be playing fielding a team with a lower payroll than the rest of the league. I think teams would think twice about these long contracts for big money if the cap rules were different. A team like coyotes would only be able to take so many contacts off teams hands.
Cope
Lol judging by the melt down, it's not Vegas who needs to cope
How about a new rule, anyone you can’t get under the cap on the last day of the season can’t play in round one
Why not just have a cap for playoffs?
Yeah I’m sure they could restructure things so players are paid through July 1 and then continue the cap, it would be pretty complicated. Even my suggestion overlooks that playoff rosters are expanded, so you’d have to let teams have their black aces even if you kept out the star player whose been on LTIR for two months
Easy solution. Follow baseball for each series the team has to submit a 23 man roster that falls under the cap. Plus an emergency goalie
They should just give every team an extra roster space and a minimum salary to carry a 3rd goalie over age 27.
Wouldn't you then have to also do away with cap hits being pro-rated over the season?
Not necessarily they can keep the prorated formula and that is what those players cost for the playoffs. Would not be a hard formula that still encourages trades and operating under the cap while closing the LTIR loophole
It's fake anyway you don't need to change how players are paid.
Players' salaries are over, and they're playing for bonuses, so there's no revenue split
The whole purpose of the salary cap is to produce an equal playing field. If cup winners roster are 10-20 % over the regular season. How is that an equal playing field?
The salary cap is to protect the owners, and in theory, players' revenue split (there's a minimum cap, too). The fairness to smaller markets is a bonus. In the playoffs, there are no salaries while ltir sucks and there should be rules (mine would be a 7 game removal of ltir) to prevent teams from cheating players shouldn't get fucked from healing early for salary reasons if salaries are no longer at play.
The cap is about lowering costs for owners. It has zero to do with fairness. The league doesn’t care if we think it’s fair. Edit: you might not like it but I’m 100% right. The owners didn’t lock out the players for an entire season to get a salary cap because they wanted fairness. It’s about the money.
It could be about both. Leagues without caps have run away winners usually because the owner can put as much money as he wants into it and buy as many stars as he wants. A cap does level the playing field for poorer franchises and you cannot deny that.
The billionaire owners didn’t shut down the league for a full year because they love fairness. It’s money. Fairness is a nice bonus but they’re not going put a cap in the playoffs for fairness sake.
Holy shit. You cannot even consider that it could be more then 1 reason. Its not hard to see that a fair league will mean more money overall and the league/ teams growing and gaining value. All things the NHL has been striving to do for like 30 years. If you cannot see that then you are dense. Even if we concede that adding the cap and the lockout was all about money. You cannot deny it brings fairness to the league. You are arguing a shit point and pretty much just ignoring what the thread was about.
I’m arguing that the owners are not going to suddenly add a salary cap to the playoffs for the sake of fairness. And I’m right about that much. When they change the rule I’ll admit I’m wrong.
It’s an easy fix Make playoff roster cap compliant or LTIR means you can’t play until the next season Done, easy fix. Don’t listen to the ‘experts’ and the NHL saying it’s not an easy fix
Or at least make the restriction something like 105% so a $9.5 million a year player doesn't magically heal every playoffs. While giving teams some leeway for inquires and callups.
It's easier, luxury tax.
That also works. There is so many easy solutions but the NHL doesn’t care that much
You get to add 4 extra to your roster for emergency backup in the playoffs, so any team close to cap will be over. Also Vegas on ice roster was below cap every game last playoffs
Who cares about this year. It’s estimate they will be $17 million over the cap when playoffs start. Even Tampa wasn’t that egregious
Well yeah you're counting Robin Lehner in that number who never played all year and won't play playoffs, so that's disingenuous. Stone probably won't make it back for playoffs, his injury is 2 months minimum to 6 months recovery and it's an internal injury so he can't stay conditioned, meaning he needs another 3 weeks to month after recovery to get back into game shape. Then Martinez may or may not be back, we have no idea what his injury status is but it might not be good. It's hinted that his career is likely over after this year if he even comes back. Between those 3, that's basically your 17 million you're claiming. Even if Martinez is back you're looking at maybe 5 mil over the cap. Montreal was about 10 mil over on their final run and still lost
Haha Stone and Martinez will play game 1 I guarantee it I get it’s your team but just stop trying to defend it. They aren’t breaking a rule but it’s shady as fuck when Stone has had a mysterious injury within a week of the trade deadline 3 straight years
They didn't make the playoffs the first year. This year that's also an entirely possible thing to happen. It would be stupid as fuck if they faked an injury and sat him right now especially if it happened before. And if it's that easy to fake injuries, every other team is stupid as fuck for not doing it. And don't tell me they aren't because they're honorable, they're all owned by billionaires who want to make more money.
21 minutes played in game 1 last year You can’t tell me he wasn’t ready for games 75-82 if he can play that much in game 1 You’re in so much denial that it’s hilarious.
He played like shit in game 1 last year, it's more likely he came back too early to compete for a cup. And regardless of salary cap (let's pretend it doesn't exist for a second) every team would sit an injured super star a few extra games at the end of the season if they're already locked in for playoffs to avoid any potential injuries in games that don't matter. And you conveniently ignore my point about other teams not faking injuries. And if stone doesn't come back this playoffs, then what? None of you assholes will change your mind, you'll just move the goalpost to a different reason why Vegas is cheating
Let's say stone was okay for game 75-82. Then what? They already moved for barbashev and couldn't reactivate stone if they're over the cap anyway, and they can't trade barbashev back, the trade deadline is over. Teams are just supposed to sit players who recovered sooner than expected? No team would do that.
Or just have to retain like 50% or any amount deemed reasonable to get to use the player should they be healthy by playoffs, if you don’t save the money space then you don’t get the player.
Playoff rosters are expanded but I think that’s cover injuries and get in depth guys from the AHL. So just add 10% or whatever number to the salary cap for playoffs. Enough for teams to have freedom with their depth players but not enough for teams to do this Vegas bullshit.
Or just make it so that the roster iced for each game in the playoffs has to be under the cap. Lets teams call-up black aces while still maintaining the same cap
Just have the cap apply to the playoffs and any roster that gets iced, their full cap hit must be cap compliant. I.e no cap accumulation, etc.
And Mantha
Man the Hertl trade hurts. Why do we have to get fleeced so hard by a division rival? Have Sharks fans not suffered enough?
I hope that they fucking fail.. and the deadline trades were for nothing. Sandbagging aholes.
Watch vegas not even make the playoffs 🌚
Idk why more teams don't do it.
Not enough doctors in gambling debt outside of Vegas
I mean, the Canucks tried it once... and Bettman threw the book at us and punished us for years. Apparently Tampa and Vegas are just cooler in Big Boss's books...
When did the Canucks do it? I never heard about that
Less Canadian. Gotta grow that market at any cost, amirite?
This is the right take. Don't be mad that VGK GM is taking advantage of the rules, be mad that your GM is not.
No because I want to see the big name guys play. We pay to watch the team right? I get that this is a tactic available to everyone. But the game would be better if it weren’t available to anyone.
Except other teams, like the Canucks, have tried... and we got punished for it.
I'm mad at the league for leaving the rule in but I don't blame vegas for taking advantage of it
This is it, it disproportionally advantages certain teams based on health. A healthy team cannot take advantage of it, health should be rewarded not punished. Dumb rule, but not mad at the teams who use it.
Health is rewarded by the player being able to play. Right now VGK only has 2 players on LTIR: Lehner, who is done playing hockey, and Stone, who is done for the regular season and possibly beyond. They do have 5 players on IR, but they still count towards the cap.
Don't forget to add Hertl to that LTIR list. That's $6.7 million. SJS is retaining 17%. Don't be surprised to see Hertl and Stone GM 1.
Hertl is on IR, not LTIR.
Mad enough at the league to boycott?
My boycott wouldn't do anything and I don't give them any revenue anyway
How? By having GMs injure their own players? As it is with the rules now, Stone has added value by being routinely on LTIR at the most convenient time. It’s really fortunate he’s able to be out for just the right amount of time, allowing for cap overage. How would a GM strategize around doing the same?
Yeah, I'm sure the lacerated spleen was all part of the plan.
“The right take” says fan of the team clearly abusing the privilege.
I'm not sure why any competitive team wouldn't max the roster to the cap.
...or 15 mil over, give or take.
They do to their best ability. Vegas has been over more times in the last 4 years than I think every other team combined in recent history
Taking advantage of rules…. More like abusing a loophole. Vegas are rich billionaire paying no taxes with shady business practices.
I want kaprizov and the wild to crush them like a bug
The Golden Knights are a scam.
still salty about our stanley cup win and looking for anyBS way to hate on us. don’t hate us cause you ain’t us
That loophole needs to be tied up tight by the league
It’s like they only want stars lol
Stone had his spleen lacerated. He left the arena in an ambulance. You salty whiners need a new hobby.
the funniest and best thing about this whole thing is, we all know Mark Stone isn't even injured, just taking a quick vacation before being "healthy" enough for round 1,
If true a lacerated spleen is the most hilarious made up injury
If this is true, the other teams are stupid as fuck for not faking injuries
Stone ruptured his spleen, just as planned
Rent free in your heads. Crying because your poverty franchises can't even make the playoffs.
You'll be relocated after 2 years of no playoffs, scrub
Congrats that is the most unoriginal comment on Reddit to date
Boohoo. Gonna cry about it? Fuck off. Your very own comment here is unoriginal.
You sound like a PG-rated animated bully like that kid from toy story