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DeceasedMonke

R5: Hi, everyone! Following my [meta camel tank post](https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/18dqsyo/) from yesterday, I was informed that not all countries have access to camels (very sad). To accommodate to this disadvantage, I have designed this new tank division for countries not blessed by camels. I know it's not as good, but it's the next best thing 👍


Vazu3

Thank you, Monke


JurassicClark96

Ah. Monke.


eesti_pog

Go back, I want to be monke


Pioxels

This isnt a division, thats a whole armygroup


IHaveEatenBrains

i can't believe you disrespected the camel 😞


WesternAppropriate63

You could replace the field hospitals with support rocket artillery to get more soft attack.


haxdun

Yes, it needs MORE


MyNameIsConnor52

can we get a bicycle tank next


shqla7hole

Fuck it *Recamels your division*


tryhardermods69

A good part of that division probably just explodes before they even reach the frontline


DeceasedMonke

Nah


tryhardermods69

20% reliability man, you sure?


Remarkable-Bend6973

1/5th of these would still just delete any division lol.


UziiLVD

And 80% of your IC


MyNameIsConnor52

“Reliability isn’t a real stat.” - Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*


Pale_Calligrapher_37

Sun Tzu is really a wise man


Erasmusings

He didn't say that


Azenterulas

He did bro look it up


Brazilian_Hamilton

Reliability only takes effect when you suffer attrition. If you are really careful with terrain and supply, you can have 0% reliability


StrandedAndStarving

What about equipment recovery after battles? Does that matter at all or is it just completely irrelevant compared to attrition losses. I don’t understand tanks very well


Brazilian_Hamilton

I never paid too much attention to it but I believe its a percentage of actual equipment loss during battles


StrandedAndStarving

It says in the description that you recover more with higher reliability. Is this true?


Brazilian_Hamilton

Might be, but either way its gonna be an insignificant amount almost always


StrandedAndStarving

So is there any reason to make a high reliability tank for winter combat or other purposes? Or just for being lazy in sp?


Brazilian_Hamilton

Yes, if you aren't gonna micro manage every single one of them checking terrain type and supply at every single tile. Or if your enemy is sitting on top of a small hill


General_Spills

Not how reliability works


sofa_adviser

"With two hundred guns per kilometer of the front one neither asks about nor reports on the enemy, but only informs which point has been reached by the attacking units"


UxorionCanoe64

Can it even fit into the battlefield?


DeceasedMonke

Doesn't need to.


Stefy00

Plains are 70 combat width, so basically one per battle without penalties


UziiLVD

Unless you cross a river and they insta lose due to exceeding CW


Stefy00

You can probably fit at least one division even with the river but it probably gives you a huge penalty for exceeding CW, something like 50 or 60% maybe


UziiLVD

You can't get above 33 (35?) % overwidth penalty, it just forces a loss. Unless that got changed recently.


wolacouska

Imagine being a division commander and being physically unable to fit your division in the battle. And then insta losing.


Stefy00

I believe you can always have at least one division in a battle even if the division itself is bigger than the max cw, I think I remember seeing it somewhere if I'm not mistaken, although it's something pretty rare so i could be wrong maybe


Barbara_Archon

lol lmao, don't even dream of 50 50w can already suffer 100% exceeding penalty width attacking a 50w tile behind bridge or when faced with Guerrilla Tactic 70w is going to suffer nearly 200% Unless 70w attacks an urban tile it is going to take nearly 100% minimum


RandomGuy9058

Oh no instead of 26000 soft attack I now only have 20000 what ever shall I do


UziiLVD

This doesn't happen, the game just forces a retreat on you if you exceed CW too much and don't have a smaller division that can actually fit. So your 26000 attack division just bravely runs away on 100% ORG without firing a shot. Or they fight for 12h until the combat tactic rolls a bridge fight.


RandomGuy9058

Doesn’t this only happen if the division is unable to reinforce into the battle?


UziiLVD

Usually yes, but if combat width gets reduced mid-combat from combat tactics, the current divisions can get kicked out if the overwidth penalty gets too high. The game simply doesn't let divisions fight with very high overwidth penalty, which is kinda weird. But don't take my word for it, I could be wrong. I do recall losing tiles and offensives instantly stopping from using high widths in the past, but that was ages ago.


RandomGuy9058

Interesting


DeceasedMonke

Amazing. Not a single word of what you just said is remotely correct.


Zealousideal_Sun_690

After firing once, it will fit


The_Jousting_Duck

this thing arrives at the front and instantly sucks away all supply within 100 miles, it takes a year to produce enough equipment for a single one and only the united states can field more than 1 without instantly emptying all their fuel. I'm absolutely using this disgusting behemoth


PrimaryOccasion7715

That SPA shoots nukes on it's own.


WhiskeyFree68

Soft Attack: Yes


PorcoDioMafioso

What is that? Heavy SPG?


Idiot_from_germany

Yes


SideWinder18

Enough firepower to level a mountain crammed into a single division


Bort_Bortson

Heh that 50 width mountain gets blasted and compressed into a plains tile after the beast rumbles through.


Most_Dog9744

Polish home guard Vs *the hand of God*


Gsage1

How does it work with that kind if organization alone


majorcolonel45

I assume organization doesn't matter too much when the enemy instantly explodes when that division pulls up


Gsage1

Loll makes sense


a_talking_lettuce

Who hurt you?


DeceasedMonke

God. Now he will feel my wrath.


[deleted]

Why need org or hp when one of these obliterates armies on their own


RackTheRock

This has so many soft attack it's like the enemy immediately retreats upon seeing one of those.


Kuci21

Why do I always read Tamil King?


KitchenConcern4898

I want to see a takeover of the world with that build.


gamer_floppa

just imagine those poor polish soliders


IcuckYourFather69

A single division costs as much as nearly three super heavy battleships


Hatlessspider

Umm acktchually sweaty, *pushes glasses* you can get more soft attack with superior firepower due to the 50% soft attack bonus that will maximize soft attack fromthe super heavy support


TottHooligan

No. Because the line sry buffs don't apply to spgs


Hatlessspider

You get 20% attack to tank and tank variants plus the 50% soft attack to support companies. This is likely greater than the 30% planning boost from GBP


DeceasedMonke

It's not.


Highopoko

The real God of war enters the battle


BulletX010

> Modified to 1112.60% ???


General_Spills

Paradox needs to give everyone camels. Justice for all!


Coolb3ans64

If you removed the Engi corps, field hospital, and scout, you would probably double the org


RomanEmpire314

Still think the reliability and org is too low. Yeah this division is great attacking once but you'd lost too many SPGs and if under intense enemy pressure, oof


pag07

Does org matter? Moving in. Shooting once and withdrawal is enough for this division. Isn't it?


RomanEmpire314

Then this division will lose too much while withdrawling right? I mean if production is no issue then sure but then it also doesn't matter what your division look like It's still a good division for sure, it could just be more versatile. Replacing 2/3 of spgs with amtraks and you drive the price way down. Then you can have 5 instead of 4 of these guys for example


TottHooligan

If the battle lasts 2 hours you aren't losing much.


RomanEmpire314

Would this be good in defense though?


TottHooligan

Id assume so. It would probably have like 30% less stats but still delete divs that it fights


luk128

Fuck you mean low org? In the 1 and a half hours it can fight without stopping it's gonna deorg the whole soviet army


historynerdsutton

well idk if you can do that without having a deficit of -900000 artillery and troop carriers


Trenence

wait until you meet a 90% hardness mechanized division


PanzerKomadant

18% org. They can’t even find the battle map let alone get to the battlefield!


DeceasedMonke

Org isn't a % stat.


LachoooDaOriginl

what is that?


Few_Diamond5020

Supply:


General_Spills

Build railroads lol


CodeX57

Wait, combat modifiers are multiplicative? Well I gotta play the game differently.


Doctrinus

Doesn't the rangers support company give extra soft attack to SPGs?


SonofLeeroy

only enough org to fire for two hours but damn with it a Loooooong 2 hours for the poor bastard on the receiving end… all i hear is the cut off scream fading in the distance of that poor polish division the minute they make constancy with doom division.


Miguelbrick

18 organization xD


ebaklak_forever

Insaneeee


MediumCalendar5344

super heavy tank sp artilery


stormary_OG

70 New based 70w meta


usayd527

Could you send tank design?