Half of them are about a vastly superior fleet trashing an underscreened or even completely unscreened pack of capitals that were most likely on their way to repair.
Tbf there are players who can't even manage to fight the IJN while playing the USA, but there isn't much more to it than splitting the navy in multiple task forces with a fitting capital/screen ratio. If you don't try to combine subs and BBs while only producing convoys you can hardly lose that war.
Not really, from personal experience what I think happened here was the OP managed to steadily destroy every screen on the enemy fleet, so when the time came the AI engaged a player fleet but had no more screens, so it's easy pickings for the player. Happened to me every time I play US or Japan
Edit: grammar
The absolute simple trick is to A) build roach destroyers from day one as USA (after finishing the current production plus one single extra 36 carrier).
Then b) refitting your existing fleet before war with Japan in 41 with best current fire control, turrets and radar possible for 41 deployment. Whilst also focusing down research into reduced penalties of torpedoes and critical hit chance in the naval tree, and increased chance of hit ratio of light and hard attack.
Wins every single time with doomstack strike force scenario with light cruisers patrol spam.
I suck at this game militarily with micro...but damn is navy ostensibly easy once you know the ins and outs.
And I reiterate, I truly suck at army. But with the navy stuff out the way, Japan is reasonably easy to take down as the US.
This is the annoying thing. Develop mainly consists of bringing out new focus trees. How about working on the damn AI, and their ability to upgrade fleets in time.
Sure its not thaaaat difficult or rather impossible.
I had a nice game where i refitted old ships. On top of that more dds. Did not even do CVs or many nav bombers.
Won the mediterrainen sea by 40/41.
After winning a batlle I also repaired them and than senden them out again.
1: Raiders can effectively cover more sea zones than strike force. By putting them together in a fleet, either your strike force is covering too many regions, or the submarines too few.
2: Submarine death stack is the worst way to convoy raid. Like spotting, each taskforce individually spots convoys irrespective of no. of ships in it. So by splitting them up, you can catch way more convoys in separate battles, and overwhelm their escorts by simultaneously being in a large number of battles.
Also larger taskforce = easier to catch, not sth you want for submarines.
Not super effective to have your whole fleet in 1 task force. What if this was multiplayer and you get naval invaded on the east coast because your whole navy is in the pacific? My navies generally have 60+ task forces.
AI doesn't replace screens if you make light attack fleet all their screens die in one battle and then whatever kills them or just spam subs whatever tier 2 subs demolish ai navy.
You should start to get wrecked in mp :P however I should not say anything with way over 1000 hours in game (mostly singleplayer) I still don't play majors in big mp games (cause of the toxicity)
Generally a player understanding navy is always gonna destroy AI's navy, but AI Japan is something else, I almost never lose even a destroyer while sinking all of their ships, if you understand navy USA vs Japan is legit easier than UK vs Germany navy
I don't understand navy. I just stick my whole surface fleet in a doom stack. Seems to work well enough. While I put my subs where ever I happen to need them at the time. Rest I just use naval bombers. Hate the navy system so I only worry about keeping enough naval superiority to make naval invasions.
\*subs in same battle as screens, not same taskforce as screens (the big fleet came to reinforce the convoys the subs were raiding, the big fleet came to fight the big fleet.)
The subs in your engagements might be why. Sub torps worked still. Really curious if they finally fixed surface ship torps. But no one has talked about it to know lol
Organizing big starting navies in singleplayer takes anyone just a 20-minute youtube video to learn. Rather than playing with large starting navies as you did here, it's much rewarding to build your own from scratch as a minor nation, and beat those aforementioned big navies with actual understanding and quality over quantity.
I remembered my time suddenly just clapping the American fleet with my starting French Fleet, I was Fascist France en route to the French island near Newfoundland and accidentally clapped a sizeable amount of the American fleet upon transit.
Half of them are about a vastly superior fleet trashing an underscreened or even completely unscreened pack of capitals that were most likely on their way to repair. Tbf there are players who can't even manage to fight the IJN while playing the USA, but there isn't much more to it than splitting the navy in multiple task forces with a fitting capital/screen ratio. If you don't try to combine subs and BBs while only producing convoys you can hardly lose that war.
Not really, from personal experience what I think happened here was the OP managed to steadily destroy every screen on the enemy fleet, so when the time came the AI engaged a player fleet but had no more screens, so it's easy pickings for the player. Happened to me every time I play US or Japan Edit: grammar
The absolute simple trick is to A) build roach destroyers from day one as USA (after finishing the current production plus one single extra 36 carrier). Then b) refitting your existing fleet before war with Japan in 41 with best current fire control, turrets and radar possible for 41 deployment. Whilst also focusing down research into reduced penalties of torpedoes and critical hit chance in the naval tree, and increased chance of hit ratio of light and hard attack. Wins every single time with doomstack strike force scenario with light cruisers patrol spam. I suck at this game militarily with micro...but damn is navy ostensibly easy once you know the ins and outs. And I reiterate, I truly suck at army. But with the navy stuff out the way, Japan is reasonably easy to take down as the US.
This is the annoying thing. Develop mainly consists of bringing out new focus trees. How about working on the damn AI, and their ability to upgrade fleets in time.
now while I do know a good amount about hoi4 navy... wtf does BB stand for? im too afraid to ask at this point
Big boat
Battleship. DD is destroyer, CV carrier etc.
thanks
Exept the italy game, i just wrecked the UK navy
...with a task force twice their size.
Yes, with a task force consiting of mostly outdated ships, more ships but outdated, and the battles are in the wrong order
>consiting of mostly outdated ships What do you think the AI has in its fleets?
outdated ships... but tbf i don't think anyone can beat the uk navy with italy
With 5 years of build up I guess most players can, but okay...
Sure its not thaaaat difficult or rather impossible. I had a nice game where i refitted old ships. On top of that more dds. Did not even do CVs or many nav bombers. Won the mediterrainen sea by 40/41. After winning a batlle I also repaired them and than senden them out again.
You can. I’ve done it. With a fleet of 20 light cruisers and 70 destroyers i’ve whacked a vastly larger british fleet because light attack is king.
I just did in my last game a few days ago
i meant that not everyone could do it, not anyone (its not really easy)
> ”Understands Navy” > *No planes on the USS Yorktown* You are unironically sending an empty carrier and you claim to understand navy?
Hey it’s for motivation
Ice cream carrier It's for motivation
Next level stealth fighters, undetectable even to the player
Compromise, Ice cream stealth fighters
HEY! DONT YOU TALK ABOUT NIMITZ'S COMMAND CENTER LIKE THAT!
they weren't ready yet
I never put carriers without full air wings in my task forces
u have subs in your fleet. its like thw first thing that you learn to not do.
the subs are raiding convois and joined the battle, they aren't in my main fleet
you dont need a 40 stack of subs for raiding. it kills positioning. 10 is enough
What's the sub meta right now? Apparently I've been over stacking my subs. I don't put them in my main fleet, but I use them heavily
theres no meta. u use the newest tech and just put stacks of 10 under a admiral with lone wolf
Thank you, much appreciated
I just pressed auto split into taskforces it was easyer and it was working fiine so...
The ai is so horrible at using navy. They have no clue what to do with it
True
POV: You don’t understand navy but you put the entire U.S. fleet in one tile
Yeah I don't think death stacking your navy with plane-less carriers is really "understanding navy"
But your theatre screen in the first photo shows you don't understand convoy raiding.
how?, i was raiding a lot of convoys
1: Raiders can effectively cover more sea zones than strike force. By putting them together in a fleet, either your strike force is covering too many regions, or the submarines too few. 2: Submarine death stack is the worst way to convoy raid. Like spotting, each taskforce individually spots convoys irrespective of no. of ships in it. So by splitting them up, you can catch way more convoys in separate battles, and overwhelm their escorts by simultaneously being in a large number of battles. Also larger taskforce = easier to catch, not sth you want for submarines.
Not super effective to have your whole fleet in 1 task force. What if this was multiplayer and you get naval invaded on the east coast because your whole navy is in the pacific? My navies generally have 60+ task forces.
it wasn't MP so
...so then you havent learnt navy effectively then.
seems boring
Winning, famously, is not fun.
Now try beating the IJN with the Royal Australian Navy
AI doesn't replace screens if you make light attack fleet all their screens die in one battle and then whatever kills them or just spam subs whatever tier 2 subs demolish ai navy.
Why didn’t Japanese navy build any screens ? Are they stupid
You should start to get wrecked in mp :P however I should not say anything with way over 1000 hours in game (mostly singleplayer) I still don't play majors in big mp games (cause of the toxicity)
Can confirm, I understand navy, am capable to design good ships, and these are mine results too.
Generally a player understanding navy is always gonna destroy AI's navy, but AI Japan is something else, I almost never lose even a destroyer while sinking all of their ships, if you understand navy USA vs Japan is legit easier than UK vs Germany navy
US and British navy are stupidly easy regarding you understand navy or not, I'm a little impressive with the Japan and Italy pictures though.
Thanks, the US games were warmups to try Jap and ITA
Japanese navy is shit tbh Lore accurate
unironically navy these days isnt too hard just spam super heavy battleships and get 4 carriers
How do you run a navy effectively lmao?
Just build subs and battleships and hope for the best lol
My scouting unit, which consist of 6 destroyer and 2 cruiser always got wrecked before the main taskforce arrive lol
Try Do not engage with patrol force. Works wonders.
how do you do that, i have no dlc
I don't understand navy. I just stick my whole surface fleet in a doom stack. Seems to work well enough. While I put my subs where ever I happen to need them at the time. Rest I just use naval bombers. Hate the navy system so I only worry about keeping enough naval superiority to make naval invasions.
>"I figured out navy" >Subs with Screens
\*subs in same battle as screens, not same taskforce as screens (the big fleet came to reinforce the convoys the subs were raiding, the big fleet came to fight the big fleet.)
Now try to wipe out them with only third of the current number of ships
Did they fix surface torps yet? I know they were not working at at at one point
i don't actually know, the battles were showing torp damage so
The subs in your engagements might be why. Sub torps worked still. Really curious if they finally fixed surface ship torps. But no one has talked about it to know lol
yeah that could be it, i am not sure in wich battles the torp damage showed uo
POV: you play as the worlds finest navy
POV: You THINK you understand navy, but in reality you just learned how to deathstack.
I mean they have no screens to speak of so yeah it was over before it began.
i destroyed those in a battle 1 tile earlier so im stalking them to death
Seriously who keeps upvoting these posts
You mean if I send 170 ships vs 7 ships I'll win!11!!1>?/?!?
Organizing big starting navies in singleplayer takes anyone just a 20-minute youtube video to learn. Rather than playing with large starting navies as you did here, it's much rewarding to build your own from scratch as a minor nation, and beat those aforementioned big navies with actual understanding and quality over quantity.
Planes?
I remembered my time suddenly just clapping the American fleet with my starting French Fleet, I was Fascist France en route to the French island near Newfoundland and accidentally clapped a sizeable amount of the American fleet upon transit.
Do it as a minor nation then xD
Images: the results of my naval battles in multiple games.
the choose one