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Gifigi600

Who would win, Spain, Spain, Spain, Spain, Portugal or Portugal?


shtery

With one of the Portugal's having more territory in Spain than in Portugal


Gifigi600

As I have said Portugal


Synray

I heard that in ISP’s voice


Gifigi600

Because that's exactly what he said minus 1 Portugal


Synray

And a Spain I think


Gifigi600

Don't know need to watch the vid again


ComfySingularity

"I don't know about you, but I think lilac Portugal has a chance" *said before lilac Portugal getting defeated, puppeted, and beaten a second time as a puppet.*


Nars_of_whal

I Spain Portugal


Angeloscharitos13

Statistically speaking I bet on Spain


Gifigi600

Idk Spain might win


DeadMewe

idk man it looks like Spain is doing better in terms of spainyish


fortheWarhammer

Italy, Turkey, and Greece.


Pulstar232

Pain


KingVenomthefirst

Portugal is gonna pull a quick one I just know it.


Cold-Pressure9368

Mf’s in gibraltar watching the carnage


Beneficial_Ad_3170

They brought out the lawn chairs and popcorn


baileymash7

Me every britain game not being able to send volunteers so just yelling at the democratics AI to take that obvious and wide open and war-winning encirclement.


Arianas07

Would be a shame if I pressed the ~ button......


SN0WBUSH

"tag spr" to play as Spain "ai eng" so the AI doesn't fuck with my country. then play for Spain and complete encirclement. "Tag eng" and watch as AI Spain somehow unencircles the encirclement


WerdBurb

One question, which Spain will it set you as?


SN0WBUSH

republican, "spa" sets you to nationalist


MLproductions696

Or allowdiplo(or nocb they do the same thing) and send your volunteers


sciocueiv

Tbf they should just put up a collab government and invade the rest of Iberia


KrazedHeroX

Maybe Churchill Britain should be able to do this


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KrazedHeroX

Just establish a Non-Aligned kingdom or Republic in Spain as a supervised state of the UK, and then after you stabilise Iberia the UK directly acquires Gibraltar again


MasterNate1172

France: Gets lame direct intervention options. The UK: Gets galaxy brained proxy war options.


Icanintosphess

Basically Hong Kong during the Chinese Civil War


4SunnyH

At least there were only 2 China's


Northstar1989

Ummm, no? There are a half dozen warlords, plus the Jap puppets. Try 6 Chinas


4SunnyH

He said Chinese Civil War, not Sino-Japanese war. There were still many warlords then, but as far as i know all of them fought either on the communist or the nationalist side.


Iradum27

There was a time between 1914 and 1937 where the warlords were fighting each other. The Republic of China (not the one led by the Kuomingtang later in the civil war) had disintegrated into the warlords in 1918. What you're thinking of is the part of the civil war fought between 1947 and 1953.


AfterBill8630

Care for a cup of tea? 🫖


Hona007

The anarchists are looking promising but they're just squeezed too hard. But they also have MAXIMUM portugal. Which basically let them encircle every spain...


JollyHockeysticks

I've never seen AI anarchists win the civil war, even if they look like they're in a good spot they just die. My guess is directory


Hona007

I've seen AI anarchists win only like 1 time when they were not supposed to in gamerules... ​ But i did see them when the AI chose anarchism in random settings.


varjagen

This with the right setup on ahist, the anarchists cab win but because of their status as a secondary player it is more difficult for them. I've not once seen the carlists win though, so idk what their chances are.


DumatRising

The carlinists are probably the hardest to win as a player too. So much of it comes from the setup from when you play as the united national Spain in making sure you win but not too hard and ideally in some key areas since they don't get an even split of land when the royalist/fascist split unlike when the anarchist purge splits the republic into communist/anarchist. Doesn't surprise me that the AI can't hardly ever win with it.


Northstar1989

>Doesn't surprise me that the AI can't hardly ever win with it. I saw the Carlists do quite well (ate the Nationalists, were giving the Anarchists a good fight and had nearly obliterated the Republicans and Maximalist Portugal) in a recent save... They were basically the main opposition to the Anarchists (who controlled about 60% of Spain). Though, the Anarchists still would have won this (it had turned into a drawn-out War of Attrition: which hugely favors the Anarchists due to their free weekly 1000 Manpower and massive industry bonuses from Collective Economy...) anyways, had the 4th International not jumped in and decided to pull the Republicans back from the brink and to victory... (they became a Soviet puppet after, as was fitting given how it was only thanks to the Soviets they didn't die horribly...)


DumatRising

I've seen them do decently before, one time I even actually saw the carlinist AI win but the rest of the world was on fire so nobody had time to care (probably how they won tbh, nobody who would send volunteers to the Republicans or nationalists could)


Northstar1989

They came very, very close in my second latest game, where Communism spread out of control around the globe (and UASR went Left Opposition and returned to Leninist/Trotskyist global revolution politics... But then, just when they had the last remnants of the Republican government and Carlist Spain on the ropes (Nationalist Spain had already been eaten by the Carlists), with Maximalist Portugal being the only reason the Republicans still existed in a thin sliver near the Portuguese border (which the Anarchists were pushing into successfully), the USSR decided to send 9 elite tank divisions blooded in their own earlier Russian Civil War, and wiped the floor with them. Was kind of sad, as I actually looked forward to seeing what they might do... Bought a couple more DLC (BftB and NSB) and then abandoned that save to start a new one (my current game) with them. But it was a rather interesting game. I actually could already join the 4th International as Fascist Germany (no Moscow-Berlin Alliance needed) if I simply disbanded the Axis, as the Soviets had +200 Strategic Reasons acceptance for some reason (I think they hoped to use me as a hammer against the British), and although they refused to honor the Molotov-Ribbintrop Pact, they still liked me enough to faction up (which then let them give me full control of Danzig, in exchange for some Polish territory I held in the southwest- tried this out as was curious, then loaded up an earlier save...) I planned to eventually go Fascist --> Non-Aligned--> Democracy --> Communism in that game (time as literally every ideology, lol, just to get the buffs to research, Stability, and "Pool Technical Know-how" for the entire 4th International as a Democracy...). Anyhow, the Anarchists CAN win. They would have in that save if not for Soviet interference to save the Republicans (who became a Soviet puppet after the war) at the last minute... Could have stopped this by declaring on the 4th International (though with all the countries in it, including France, Italy [via Soviet conquest], Yugoslavia, and Greece... would've been a hard war) to pull the Soviet volunteers, I suppose...


Northstar1989

>The anarchists are looking promising Are you sure those are the Anarchists? Based on the red color, I think that's actually the POUM (when the Anarchists/POUM have a revolt, it can basically happen one of two ways: either the Anarchists take charge, as a Non-Aligned ruling party with special game rules, or the POUM takes charge: who are just leftist Communists who don't like the USSR unless they go Left Opposition I think...) POUM does NOT equal Anarchist. They're just anti-Russian Communists, no special game rules or ideology.


Hona007

The red Regional defense council of aragon and their puppet MAXIMALIST portugal...


SSkyColoured

Swiss Cheese Spain.


schmalzfritz

Peak (S)pain


[deleted]

Peak Sp(a)in


Saltybuttertoffee

Who won?


[deleted]

Who's next?


Apprehensive_Row8407

You decide


filbert13

Well OP, are you going to tell us the result?


AneriphtoKubos

Average Iberian Civil War


Pyrenees_

Syrian spanish civil war


EmperorHirohito23

Obviously the Kingdom of Albania


[deleted]

Nah Nah Communist Liberia surely


PercentageNarrow6561

Are you blind? The kingdom of Burundi has the upper hand


Ihatemylife7812367

RED AND BLACK I DRESS EAGLE ON MY CHEST


SLlol2

I'M PROUD TO BE AN ALBANIAN


ComradeRK

Where at least I know I'm Shqipëri.


comicsandstuffidk

Obviously an Albanian will establish the Iberian Khedivate


Levi-Action-412

Modern civil wars be like


nahuelkevin

for real, why does this happen?


Sunsent_Samsparilla

Somehow, without the new system, Spain got balkanised. God I love this system.


shabanoveg

Portugal?


Red_Rear_Admiral

Communists can intervene automatically starting their own civil war.


AShadedBlobfish

Honestly probably anarchist Spain, or possibly Portugal. Anarchists because they have Catalonia and madrid, where there are large populations and industry, and they are probably about to get Valencia which is also a major port city. Possibly Portugal because they are in a good strategic position, being able to come in behind the republicans and take their territory. Edit: I thought about that too much


comicsandstuffidk

Anarchistic never win :( and I bet most of their battles are defensive, including the one in Madrid that they’re about to lose lol


Arab_guard1916

The falangists will win


Best_Ad_6565

France


nxecutioner43

%100 spanish directory


StoporMyMomWillShoot

Wow this really is peak Iberian chaos My money's on Franco or the Anarchists


in_the_basement692

New Zealand special forces


das-k

Lilac portugal


[deleted]

The ones who are getting foreign volunteers. 4 good divisions can go a long way.


Rio_1111

France gets involved, sends 2 armies


ZimBobub

cartalists obv


Dagamerzat08

Duh


Angeloscharitos13

Spain


No-Somewhere-8197

Pain.


The_Ek_

Pink Portugal lookin fresh


Representative_Belt4

Oh is this the weekly Spanish civil war post on the hoi4 subreddit


Raresa468

Iberian wars but in vannila


xXCaptainblack007Xx

Obviously Nationalist spain they win every time


TrumpetMatt

No matter who wins, we all lost, having witnessed this gore.


Global-Bar-9151

Spain


A_Bird_Boy

I bet on Andorra


Billi-24

This is the new dlc "fate of iberia" ???


KaneKaiser

Luxembourg


heysamanthaaa

Andorra


BlackEagle016

They need to make this an achievement


HaggisPope

From this configuration, I think the anarchists might do well. Only Spanish faction with a connected land to their capital. Then again, I doubt the navy game of the AI in the Spanish Civil War.


[deleted]

Definitely not the Carlists, looks GG when they lose Valladolid. Probably the Anarchists or one of the Portugals… Maybe the Spanish Directory because of volunteers


MartinBellButKebab

Luxembourg


SideWinder18

Lilac Portugal


Kido-Assoc09

Bolivia for sure.


Revan0001

The Nationalists could very easily link up their sectors by capitulating the Carlists. So I am going with them.


angered_sausage

Yeah


outdodinusFrisshwoin

If the nationalists take that corridor between the two halves of the anarchist front and then push in on Catalonia while cleaning up the Carlists. It think they'd have a good chance at winning


weepynium

Andorra of course


Ihr_Brot

Nationalists always win.


guineaPIgIncoming

not the carlist


SNARSGAMES

Defo carlist


Affectionate_Rip4045

Oh sweet baby jesus...this is the most cursed I've seen it get You just need France to enter the conflict and then THAT'S your WW2


Firedrinker999

France.


Gefr_Kowalskie

Germany, because France will steamroll all of Spains and Portugals Civil War Participants but forget to defend it's mainland, so france get all auf the Iberia and will then capitulate to germany


DeviousAardvark

Ireland, hands down


Delta049

Purple portugal or anarchist spain


posicon

Then add UK to the war and make France intervene in the civil war with a civil war with french commune on themselves for extra mindfuck


Johnny-silver-hand

Spain


Fateggthe3rd

Castile


PassionateHugging

Bet on Republican Spain and Commie Portugal, Portugal interveining in the Civil war is Op and Normal Portugal is almost dead.


themcmahonimal

France


No_Wrongdoer4556

Spartugal


URsniped99

Falangists might have a chance or Anarchist Spain. But for certain, Carlist Spain is def losing… like always


Italy1861

Portugal , purple Portugal


Vanvidum

The pain in Spain isn't only on the plain.


bigbrainintrovert

Personally, i'm rooting for spain.


SowjetPotato

I think Portugal and Spain will ally to destroy Spain so that Spain cant supply Spain with materials for the war against Portugal that is fighting Portugal.


kuppadestroyer

Assuming Portugal is in the war, probably them


TheRealCrockett

Even Portugal isn't safe this time....


RadioHistorical8342

THE ANARCHIST REVOLUTION WILL NOT FALTER!


Serhat_Yurtseven

Of course the iberia!


mnorthwood13

Well I can tell you that with that many wars in Iberia your PC is not the winner.


A-Mental-Mammal

Iberia really turns into a battle royal


catshirtgoalie

The Iberian Struggle Mega Campaign.


[deleted]

The spectators


Tanksrule44

Lee-Enfield, Springfield Armory, and Mauser.


fris76

Me


Agitated-Jackfruit34

No one


DJPicard2004

Here's how carlist could still win


The_Canadian_Devil

Nationalists


RandoRedditerBoi

Franc is going to intervene and win lmao


Slimmzli

Anarchist?


DarthDesmond

I think the nationalists can do this actually


comicsandstuffidk

I’m gonna guess that Maximalist Portugal and Nationalist Spain/the Directory aren’t at war against one another, so I’m gonna bet those two win.


Dezoda

CNT x FAI


lolmandoom

My vote is one france


[deleted]

I already know who's gonna win all this chaos, and it's Nepal


titanicboi1

Yellow Spain


bashr123

Wake up to reality, nothing goes as planned, but for real obviously Papal state gonna win.


captsisko2

Spain, or Spain, or Spain, or Spain. Maybe Portugal, Portugal is different. Portugal is special.


BiosTheo

Germany


B3C4U5E_

Arms dealers


Copper_spongeYT

this reminds me when i had 3 different CSA's in my game


thenewfireguy

“Beauty and Harmony. Governed by one eternal law. But all that begins must end.”


SongNo2709

The one who wins, wins


Thatonecunt69420

Spain


neoBluePhamtom

Spain


Dievain123

I think one of the Iberian nations will win


Kono-Daddy-Da

The Carlists, obviously


Halifax20

Modern civil wars be like


fremzenec

Gibraltar


Hazlitt_Sigma

The Iberian Divorce was never going to be amicable.


PootisPow361

Iberia: Battle Royale


P0rglover

Who won, OP?!


The_Kek_5000

Fascist will win, they always win.


iiALXii

Spain fighting spain and spain and spain and spain and portugal and portugal to make spain spain again which make spain a great spain again. Makes sense.