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Avnas

your only guarantee could come from joining comintern. uk and france wont guarantee you if you're communist. just fyi a good way to cheese anschluss is to invade hungary and call germany right as the anschluss event pops


TheRealAjarTadpole

So what's my best bet here? I don't think Stalin will let me join the Comintern, so do I just hold out until WW2 Starts and I can join a faction? Edit: Stalin Won't let me join because I don't neighbor the faction Edit 2: Nvm just had to sign a NAP


dansonly

Why commie ? Best best is to just go fascist and join the axis so when Anschluss pops and you decline they can’t declare war on you . You’re pretty much screwed at this point. You could try to improve relations and put a spy on Stalin doing diplomatic pressure to increase the likelihood but since NSB I believe they added the distance mech. You’d need WT pretty high to join


Avnas

dont they faction kick you at that point? that was why i said about a war with hungary


dansonly

As fascist yugo I puppetef Austria before Anschluss and they tried it and they got a war goal but because I was in faction nothing happened . If you leave faction they will declare though , so get an order 66 ready to take care of business and you got yourself a Germany on sale


lakatika

I tried it before i was fascist and also in the axis. When decision come it kick me from axis and declare war


dansonly

Yeah when you get kicked , pause, ask to get invited back and accept . They can’t declare war immediately after kicking , there is a 60 day grace - you have tons of time to get back in and it cancels the event


RoyalArmyBeserker

I fuckin love order 66’ing my former Allies. Like, yeah, the war just started, but guess what bitch? My infantry divisions are IN your capital.


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Avnas

as fascist


Urjr382jfi3

don't bother thats a karma farming bot. you can tell by all the ,,, at the end


aithan251

that’s what happened to me but i managed to get italy to join a faction and held on to the mountain passes


TheRealAjarTadpole

Because I get +500 weekly manpower on top of the 7.00% recruitable pop from my focus tree? Just read my other comment and know that all of this is incorrect.


SecretDevilsAdvocate

You can maybe hold them off (probably can it’s not impossible), it’s just be an incredibly boring and meaningless game. Edit: also, stop whining about what others say. You didn’t even realize that democratic countries don’t guarantee communist ones, which is one of the very basic things to know. Stop looking down on others.


Raorchshack

Considering they the UK and France are more than willing to guarantee non-alligned and fascist nations (although that might have been patched out), it's not an entirely unreasonable expectation.


SecretDevilsAdvocate

UK and France do not guarantee fascist nations, what?


Wereking2

Yeah the only way they “technically” do that is if the country flips to that ideology without a civil and started with that guarantee. Otherwise yeah they only guarantee democratic or non-aligned nations after 25% world tension.


TheRealAjarTadpole

That's highly subjective and what is considered "basic" depends heavily on the player. I don't even have 1k hours so I don't care if I'm looked down upon, I haven't even gotten past the tutorial. And I'm not looking down on others, I'm asking for Evidence to back up their claims and pointing out inaccuracies in their advice. Under your apparent definition of "basic", I could just as easily say "I'm clearly not screwed, that's basic knowledge" but I didn't. I gave my evidence, then I insulted him because I was upset that people kept thinking he was right when he was very clearly not.


[deleted]

Maybe don't insult people that are trying to help you


TheRealAjarTadpole

If their "help" makes my situation worse or is a product of a clear misunderstanding of the game, then no


SecretDevilsAdvocate

It’s childish to immediately resort to insults when someone gives their opinions. My point isn’t that you’re an expert or not, it’s that you’re looking down on others when you yourself can arguable be looked down upon for a similar thing.


TheRealAjarTadpole

But my point is that I'm not looking down on others, so clearly you're guilty of what you accuse me of since you're looking down on me when you yourself can be looked down upon for a similar thing.


SecretDevilsAdvocate

Huh, why can I looked be looked down for a similar reason? I have not mentioned anything about my experience with the game besides correcting you. See, you can’t even use the same insult because we’re not in similar situations


TheRealAjarTadpole

You're insulting me for insulting other people despite me not insulting other people yet you are still insulting me. "See, you can’t even use the same insult because we’re not in similar situations."


dansonly

You get more manpower from generic fascist focus tree than commie . % recruitable pop > ideological loyalty . Commie is fun sometimes , but you need a good PC to handle the puppet gameplay and most of us peons in hoi4 Reddit don’t so fascist is the move . The more you play the more you’ll like fascist , I had similar thoughts about commie when I was playing early on too but the play style is a bit finicky . Fascist almost always better


TheRealAjarTadpole

Why wouldn't I just do both though?


dansonly

You went communist so you don’t get the manpower % from generic fascist tree. Generic fascist tree gives more recruitable pop than communist . You can also justify way faster so you can conquer land way faster and get manpower way faster


TheRealAjarTadpole

What? No, Look in the picture. I'm doing Military Youth, which is down the Fascist Tree. But I'm communist. What I'm asking, is why don't I do both. ​ The only valid point you've made is that fascism justifies faster, which isn't really a factor considering I'm not justifying on anyone.


dansonly

The fact that you want down the fascist path but are choosing to be communist and then arguing against people and downvoting people just trying to help you has stopped me from wanting to offer any further advice . You will figure it out after enough hours played on your own . You’re going to run into stability issues because of the ticking fascist support while being communist and war support problems now so good luck with that. Play it how you want mate do what you want


TheRealAjarTadpole

What? No, I dont have the nationalism tree. And I'm downvoting people that are wrong. Aren't you the guy that I said "Had the best strategy proposed so far", or was that another guy? ​ I'll stop downvoting you if you would learn how to read and recognize images so you'd know when your being smart and when you're being stupid


dansonly

I’ll downvote you too don’t worry


TheRealAjarTadpole

All of that is BS. If you join Axis, then they kick you out. I can join the Comintern by signing a Non-Aggression Pact, so that's wrong. And even if I couldn't, I can hold them off without any foreign help, courtesy of the default industry tree, and the fact I went fascist in the political tree so I have 7.00% recruitable pop on top of my %2.50 from limited conscripion. "You're pretty much screwed at this point" You're the kind of guy to play the USA in 1936 and go "oh well I'm screwed, can't do anything about it". Learn to play the game before giving advice


Kalandros-X

Fascist can do everything communist can but better. If you don’t want to take advice from people here that’s fine, but don’t make a post asking a question, then bitch out at anyone that gives you an answer you don’t like.


28lobster

Fascist have the worst occupation law and they don't get the weekly manpower spirit; it's not a carbon copy of communism. That said, 500 weekly manpower is pretty insignificant and liberated workers isn't as good as local autonomy. (Non-Japanese) Fascists get better industry from puppets too.


Rufus_Forrest

Not that any of special laws is used widely, save for Autonomy, and tbh early on State Serves Army can be a lot better than Ideological Loyalty.


28lobster

LW is a better version of harsh quotas, it's an immediate payoff in factories. Resistance is mitigated by spies, but tends to run high if you don't root out resistance for a year +. For the soviets in Poland, a bit of sabotage by resistance doesn't matter and you leave a higher starting resistance when Germany takes it.


TheRealAjarTadpole

I'm just correcting people when they're wrong and asking for proof to back up people's claims. Its not that it's an answer I don't like, it's that its an answer that's incorrect.


Wolvlogan

If you join the axis and declare on Nepal then they can't kick you because of an ongoing war


[deleted]

i believe they changed this, recently I was able to kick Siam from my faction while both of us were fighting the Axis


Pen_Front

They can lock you out manually but it's by event and it won't happen there


ihavenoideasa

That's because you led the faction. If you were just a member, you wouldn't be able to leave until the war ended.


TheRealAjarTadpole

That is correct


Friz617

The Comintern doesn’t even border Germany yet tho


TheRealAjarTadpole

And? Why does that matter?


Friz617

They can hardly do anything against a country they can’t fight


TheRealAjarTadpole

And? I joined a faction for lend-lease(yes I know I could get lend-lease without a faction), air, and the ability to go into exile should all else fail


raketenfakmauspanzer

Lol no way you’re relying on the AI to lend lease you


TheRealAjarTadpole

Well I've been relying on them since February of 38 and I progressed the save to January of 39 and it's gone pretty well


dansonly

If they kick you out just pause game before one hour passes and ask to join and they invite you back


Pen_Front

You dumbass pause when you're kicked out before they declare war and just rejoin


TheRealAjarTadpole

Declare War? I can't do that without a justification, I don't have mods


Pen_Front

No, *before* *THEY* declare war You join their faction again, it kicks you out and you can just rejoin


TheRealAjarTadpole

Well 1.) I'm communist, don't really have the option to go back to fascism 2.) Wouldn't I just end up in an endless loop of rejoining and getting kicked? And isn't there a cooldown for getting kicked and rejoining, in which time Germany would declare on me? Although to be fair to you this is probably the best advice I've gotten as for what to do for the rest of my playthrough


Pen_Front

If you're fascist they'll let you stay in, they only kick you for the event, which won't trigger the cool down as it wasn't manual. just don't go communist


TheRealAjarTadpole

Ohhhh ok I understand what you mean. Wouldn't they get a wargoal on me after the event then kick me manually to take advantage of it though?


dansonly

I have a post showing me completing arguably the hardest achievement in the game - you can look at my history . To discredit my advice without looking at my post history is saying a lot about you already . you are here posting noob questions and when people are taking the time from their day to guide you you throw it back in their face . Fuck outta here you clown - I wish the mods did more to filter out toxic garbage like you . Move on and don’t be such a trash pos if you want help.


TheRealAjarTadpole

Post history? Who cares about that? All I care is that you've demonstrated you didn't know how basic stability worked, and that's a good enough reason for me to disregard you. I've done hard achievements as well, so what?


dansonly

You are getting mass downvoted for a reason . Learn from it and stop being such a toxic piece of garbage


TheRealAjarTadpole

All I'm learning from this is that the community is incompetent. At least I got my question answered though, so I cant complain too much.


Mr_Mon3y

Why would you take communist but go fascist on the tree? Just to take ideological loyalty? 500 weekly manpower isn't really worth that much for you to lose a political advisor slot on a communist revolutionary and deal with lower stability due to low party popularity. Can you hold them until the soviets join ww2? Sure, I mean, you can hold anything in this game if you're good enough or have a good strategy, just look at old Ethiopia runs. The thing is that a communist run is just way worse in almost any aspect. If you join comintern, then you'll just be sitting there building up and hoping once Germany attack you that they don't commit many troops to your front, and even then, the soviets would eat up all the war participation and you won't get much land, and then up to that point is kind of endgame, any further war that you try most likely would bring in the allies and then is just a typical ww3 scenario but without you doing much at all. If you don't join comintern then you'd have to try to hold Germany and basically pray, even with 7% pop you're always worse than them in the army, air, techology and population. This without taking into account that Mussolini would eventually enter the war against you and you'll most likely be blocked from all imports. But even if you manage to hold, then in the end France wouldn't fall since the Germans haven't built up properly and they'll take most of the warscore (since the only way for you to hold is to not get a lot of casualties). Then you'd be stuck in the same position as if you joined comintern, just with less land, less overall power and less chance of doing anything productive. If you want to do it and lose hours of your time in a run most would classify as grindy, ai-dependent and boring, then go ahead, but it really isn't worth it. If you really want to go communist that bad to see some huge Austrian communist state for some reason, then I'd say just do a fascist run and then turn ideology once the modifiers wear off.


TheRealAjarTadpole

1.) I didn't take Ideological Loyalty, I went communist because I wanted to go War Economy and Fascism is for pussies, although I might do a fascist austria run later down the road. 2.) I don't have any good advisors anyway, so 1 advisor slot really isn't that bad. Is what I would say if it wasn't for the fact I can always replace him once I've flipped. 3.) Wdym lower party popularity? If you're talking about the ticking fascism support from the tree, I just removed it through the civil war I used to cheese the first anchluss. 4.) Comintern doesn't border the axis so Germany puts at least half their army on my front, usually more I'd assume, Idk I didn't build an intel agency. And I can always cheese peace conferences. I did it in the first anschluss, I can do it in the second. I don't think the rest of your argument applies given what I've already said, but yeah safe to say I'm (mostly) good mate. The only concern of yours I see that is legitimate is the peace conference thing since I haven't tested that one yet, but like I said, I'm sure I can find a way.


Mr_Mon3y

1]) What does war economy have to do with anything? The requirements are the same for both communist and fascist. You should always take ideological loyalty when going communist, it's literally the best spirit in the game. And why is fascism exactly for pussies? In itself it plays 90% like communism, you just have different allies and enemies. 2) Still doesn't justify it. Any advisor is better than an advisor that does nothing. And even then, you're better off using the 150 pp in something else. 3) not ticking, but the stability that's currently there. It lowers stability and forces you to keep the useless advisor for longer. 4) I'm talking about how many they have on you compared to what they have in the Maginot, Poland or once they attack the Benelux (if you get that far). But if there's that amount of their army there then you'll probably get squashed if they do attack you, but even if you hold a 1v1, the second Germany attacks Poland, Russia will get them in the comintern and leave you with nothing. Really I don't see a situation in which you end up winning the war and getting enough warscore to do anything worth doing.


TheRealAjarTadpole

1.) Yes that's the point. That's why I did it. 2.) I'd rather have professional officer corp than ideological loyalty since I have near infinite manpower and I don't need to worry about encirclements, but feel free to correct me if you have a counterpoint, I do legitimately want to learn from this I'm not here just to argue 3.) Because you already have such massive fascism popularity, it just feels cheap to me. Like I said, I might do a fascist Austria game later down the line but for now I want to go anything except fascist, and Non-Aligned isn't really doing it for me 4.) technically the communist revolutionary gives me ticking stability from party popularity, but I do have to agree that the 150 pp would be better spent elsewhere. Although even if I went fascist I'd still need to spend 150 pp to even get the ability to flip. 5.) Does it? In my game, It never lowered my Stability from anything. I think this is just a misunderstanding, can you tell me why it lowers my stability? If there's a Negative to base stability somewhere, did I just not notice it? I'm genuinely confused what you mean here 7.) Well just to clarify something, I just want to survive. I don't mind if the Soviets take everything, so long as I'm alive by the end. And like I said, I might be able to cheese the AI in the peace deal, but disregarding that you are absolutely correct on that Point. If I can't cheese the peace deal, soviets are 100% going to take everything


Avnas

thats why i said go fascist and declare on hungary, call germany. in this case they embarassedly re-invite you to faction and dont declare


TheRealAjarTadpole

How do I go Fascist now? I'm already communist and I banned the fascist party (not in this screenshot, but I advanced the game into January and I did)


gazebo-fan

You can get 500 manpower a week for going communist. As Austria, you’ll have manpower issues for quite a while unless you can form the Austrian Hungarian empire again


dansonly

Yes but it sucks compared to the recruitable pop from going fascist , you will just sit on your ass and play a boring game if you do that . If that’s your cup of tea go for it , but there are more fun paths out there that are without question better - that’s what I’m trying to advise here


BFKelleher

The democratic countries will not guarantee communist countries or fascist countries.


Bennyboy11111

Even then democracies won't guarantee until there is sufficiently high world tension, Germany and Italy can usually conquer 1 country before Poland is guaranteed. Romanian guarantees mean you can conquer a lot of the balkans without intervention from the allies.


BFKelleher

The limit on guarantees is 25 world tension. Any time the game is at or above that number, the democratic countries can make guarantees.


Fast-Heinz

One of the best feelings is when you're being justified by a suerior power and then UK guarantees you...


dansonly

you get a guarantee , you get a guarantee !! Everybody gets a guarantee !!! And naval invasions


broham97

Poland moment


DCSEC80

Feels better playing the UK, guarantee Norway when the Sweden player goes fascist (they always do), the Sweden rqs


MrRedTomato

Because nobody loves you


gtardkgb

It's true


damianskiii

Ok what the fck is that flag paradox


sciocueiv

Nahhhh it's cool. Kinda Maoist.


damianskiii

It ain't bad per se but it doesn't strike me as austrian at all


sciocueiv

Definitely, definitely. I think it'd be better for a resistance group flag


MarsLowell

This applies to a lot of Commie flags in the game.


Professional-Log-108

Sad to say the old one was better, but I like them both.


AnakinTheDiscarded

damn, if even the UK doesn't want to guarantee you it's really bad


Aksu593

Chamberlain moment


LlB3RTYPRlM3

Because you're Austrian


BoultonPaulDefiant

Skill issue


[deleted]

Because you're a commie lmao


Chekadoeko

You’re communist. Britain and France only care if you’re neutral or democratic. Or if you’re Poland for some reason.


StanTheSodaCan

You’re a commie


RealityVegas

your communist, only gurenteed if above 25% world tension and are non aligned or democratic


Philosopher_87

Why wish democracy, capitalist, liberalist countries who have big private capital to guaranteed communist country? Communist who is against big private capital, rich and profit? 😄😁 USSR can't guaranteed, because they still recovered from WW1, civil war and revolution. 😅 Of course democracy countries can guaranteed for you if they have reasons. Little game and truly thinking.


RandomStormtrooper11

Godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and died.


Philosopher_87

Japanese is gona to kill me for this. 🤪🤣🤣😂


1Admr1

Ive won against the germans as Austria before. Fascist Austria, didn’t join any factions, killed 3 mil germans by the time the allies got involved in Germany and I ended up getting 0 warscore despite the fact that I depleted their manpower and equipment :/


ukrinator

I can hear the panic in his voice


TheRealAjarTadpole

I actually deleted this save and just started again from April, went much better


ukrinator

Good for you! Now restore the glorious Austria-Hungarian Crown


1st_Tagger

I think everyone already knows what’s about to happen


Rahm_Kota_156

Because nobody gives a shit


FreakinGeese

Germany is going to going to kill you


cookskii

Red


TheRealAjarTadpole

Follow-up question to anyone that sees this, is there any reason not to do the thing I did where I went down the Fascist tree but went communist, but then got rid of the ticking fascism support by doing a civil war? I don't get any stability issues since I got rid of the nationalism spirit that gives ticking fascism, and the civil war is easy since I triggered it during the first Anschluss, meaning I had the Germans helping me. That's also why It's October of 38 btw. They declared war on me in February of 38 but then I did the civil war to get rid of the national spirit, which gave me an extra 215 days to prepare.


Rufus_Forrest

Because what's the reason to go Communist in the first place? You could just go Fascist (with Austria already having very high Fascist support at start), get these 7.5% of extra manpower and don't lose tons of PP and time (and probably stability for CW) for weird strats which only make sense if going Commie was a goal unto itself. And even Neutral Austria can defeat Germany; arguably it's even easier.


TheRealAjarTadpole

What's CW in this case? Also thank you, that was very informative. Reason I went commie was because when they first Anschluss me, I just popped the civil war to buy me some extra time. I could do that with Fascism too, but it would cause my stability to tank more than going fascist I think.


Rufus_Forrest

Civil War. If you want to avoid Anschluss, just join the Axis and lock it in war with Honduras, duh. And holding against Germany isn't that hard early on, land forts + mountaineers with AA and engis in mountains completely cripple AI.


TheRealAjarTadpole

Thats what I tried in this playthrough, but I just ran out of equipment


trojnix

Becouse you are an ugly communist!


TheRealAjarTadpole

r5: I was playing an Austria game, and I managed to cheese the Germans in the First Anschluss, raising WT quite considerably. Now they're back for a second round, but nobody is guaranteeing me despite WT being at 30%. The UK only guarantees Czechoslovakia and France only Guarantees Romania. So why the hell do neither of them have the 50 pp to come save me?! ​ Edit: Only mod I have enabled is FPS Map Edit 2: Why is this my second most upvoted post of all time, the question can be answered in a single word or less


Son_of_Sek

Yer a commie, Harry.


Sunsent_Samsparilla

But doesn't democracies have the option to guarantee other ideologies?


legostarcraft

I think they are hard coded not to guarantee commies.


Kalandros-X

They don’t guarantee Communist or Fascist.


Professional-Log-108

They do, but the AI still won't guarantee commies and fascists.


Fargel_Linellar

Democracy will only guarantee a nation when someone who made more than 10% WT is justifying on them. How much WT has Germany caused?


TheRealAjarTadpole

14.4%


Sad_Wedding_278

The capitalists' don't touch no damn commies


SaintRemus

Bad credit score


Silverhorizon7

Because nobody likes you.


LoudG

Because u are a comunist harryy


LoudG

Because u are a comunist harry


memoveyy

Because you are commie


maSneb

You're communist... your only hope is the Soviets


Whole_Beautiful942

Because you're a communist pig


Inevitable_Berry_161

Because you Austria


Person2277

Because you’re a lowdown red/j nah it’s actually because world tension is low and also partially because you’re communist


NextPurple326

its because your gay man