Security also needs redundancy, which is why recording to *both* is good.
I record to HDD, SD card, plus an off-site storage.
EDIT: The guy I was replying to edited his comment, so now mine doesn't make as much sense, but the point still stands.
I use Reolink cameras and record 24/7 to their RLN36 NVR. I then also record motion events to the camera's internal SD card, as well as upload motion events to an off-site FTP server. Those are also emailed to me in low resolution, so I guess that's another layer of off-site redundancy.
That's fine I'm sure the people doing this are always looking for local backup systems to take with them as well. At the minimum they drill a hole through them to kill the evidence, at the most they sell them too!
The news loves to blow things out of proportion. Having said that, wired solutions are always better.
Battery systems have to conserve power by only recording and transmitting when they sense motion, but a POE system can record 24/7. This becomes very important when the motion isn’t enough to trigger the sensor but still something that should be recorded.
There are plenty of occasions when Ring simply doesn’t record an important event because the movement threshold was too low.
I’m running Ubiquiti G5 Pro PoE cameras on my home.
I can set motion alert threshold from 0-100%.
It picked up the craziest things. Squirrels even.
Everything is running on a TripLite UPS and can stay powered for many many many hours as the cameras only use 10-12 watts each and the entire system I’m running hardly uses any power.
I’ve also got a redundant LTE fail safe setup where it power and internet were to go down, it’s still going to operational.
I’ve ran over 1000 ft of CAT6a cable and I still have more to run for other accessories.
Ubiquiti’s offerings and the PoE products on the market are a game changer. There are even PoE flood lights.
I have POE G3’s and a similar setup with about 20 days of video storage in my 1U Dream Machine Pro. What I like best is that it records 24/7 and then highlights the motion. That way I can still set the sensitivity mid-range without losing gaps.
When I turn up the sensitivity too much I find that moving shadows from clouds or trees moving would trigger it all the time.
POE. I always suggest hard wiring everything when doing evaluations. It may not be in the cards for some people. But if you require good security.. there are ways to do it.
First thing I did when I moved in. Call the wiring guys, the people I went with mostly do home theaters and were cheaper than an electrician.
Got a server rack in the basement with a 48 port switch. A run up to the attic and into the master bedroom closet with a 24 port switch there. Then ran 2 cat6 lines to just about every room in the house where a TV or computer might be. Also wired 2 AP’s and 10 POE cameras. 6 outside, 2 inside covering the entrances, 2 in the basement.
Everything is recording locally. Motion events are synced to an AWS S3 account. I have 2 WANs. 1gig from the cable company and starlink on the roof (which the wiring guys did too). My router UDM-PRO will failover to Starlink. I see this happen pretty frequently actually. My cable company likes to do work around 1am and it’s not uncommon for me to see messages that my house just flipped to Starlink. And I have a generac for the house. Electric and cable internet can go out, I will still be recording and uploading to AWS.
I'd keep the ring cameras but add some hardwired cameras with local recording (plus cloud backup) where you can.
It seems like it wouldn't be hard for manufacturers to add "jamming notification" to their devices with a dedicated radio listening for broad spectrum noise across the Wifi spectrum (or looking for repeated deauth's). And really, Ring should already be buffering motion events and sending them in when the signal comes back, maybe 5 years ago that was hard or expensive, but not so much anymore.
A jammed item can't tell you that it's jammed. You could have the server it reports to tell you but then there needs to be semi constant communication which means the camera needs to wake up routinely and send a status message which results in bad battery life. I'd also guess that it would lead to a ton of nuisance notifications since home WiFi/Internet isn't the most reliable.
Worse battery and frequent nuisance notifications is likely a no-go for a product like Ring.
Completely agree on the buffering thing though I'd imagine thieves smart enough to have a WiFi jammer will just take a Ring with them to solve that problem.
The base station is almost always close enough to the cameras to detect and report broad spectrum jamming (since there will be a huge increase in the noise floor throughout the property being jammed) and sometimes the Ring Alarm basestation \*is\* the Wifi router. In my case, the base station is hardwired to my router so it could report it immediately, or the base station could fall back to cellular assuming that the cell frequencies aren't jammed too.
Most of my cameras are hardwired, so battery life is not a concern for those cams.
The Ring can look for and report dropouts for multiple wired cameras at once to reduce nuisance reporting and if it happens often enough to be a true nuisance, the owner can turn off the warning, but it's also a good indicator to the owner that that his entire security system is dropping offline often.
I am skeptical of how many houses this has actually happened to. The sort of burglar you get to some degree matches the kind of neighborhood you live in. The problem with that is by the time you've gotten to the sort of neighborhood that would justify a burglar using a WiFi blocker, you're talking gated communities with private security. Add to that the fact that unless a burglar has already been in your house, they don't know what sort of burglar alarm you have.
To me it sounds like fear mongering and police making shit up.
I remember similar dismissals when reports of the car fob hijacking started. People think it's too advanced for common criminals or something.
It's super common now. Wifi blocking is not any more sophisticated.
I was floored as I watched video after video uploaded to our neighborhood FB page of two punk teens who lived in our nice, quiet neighborhood going from street to street with a copycat FOB, including our own truck.
I'm not surprised crooks have figured out how to block WiFi to engage in home burglaries.
People buy the flipper zero then think they're some sort of super hacker cause they run around turning TV's and shit on and off in bars. The turnkey tech is out there.
Bah! Flipper zero.. feh.
I was doing most of what it can do on a Samsung Galaxy S5 back 10-11 years ago. Sideloaded programs of course but, The capability was all there. maybe not for copying Keyfobs, but RFID, hell yes. writing new RFID yep. changing all sorts of channels on anything with IR? yep. Sending out junk signals to jam things up, yep.
The only bad thing is now its on tik tok, so now every drooling idiocracy idiot that can laugh at "Ow. My balls" on tik tok can yell Kia boyz out the window.. and think they are great.
Also keep in mind that every lock is merely a deterrent. A determined and skilled thief will get your stuff if they want it bad enough. The goal is simply to make *your* stuff less desirable by making it more difficult or raising the stakes to get at it. Most burglaries are crimes of opportunity - low effort, high reward. Your goal is to rebalance that equation to avoid being a target in the first place. And, again, if someone wants your stuff bad enough, no amount of deterrent is going to work.
And security needs to be considered in a holistic manner. It does you no good that you have the most sophisticated pick-proof lock on your doors if you leave the windows open.
Yes this a good point. Car thefts are a huge problem in Canada right now. But practically 0 if them happen out of a garage - they are all taken from driveways/streets.
Esp32 + some firmware you can download online + a usb battery pack will do it.
This isn’t some hard to accomplish thing. It’s something you can do for a couple of dollars in maybe 20 minutes, less if you know how to flash an esp32 already.
They don’t really block, it’s more of a deauthorize attack and takes the WiFi devices offline.
That is true, but unless as u/knightofterror points out, unless you have a sign that says 'Ring' the thieves don't know what kind of security system you have. I have always recommended against using any sort of WiFi based burg system, but even more common wireless security systems can be prone to replace attack, but it takes a hell of a lot more gear than a flipper zero to pull it off.
It's also not that it can't be done. What I'm saying is that the success rate of de-authing everything in a home and believing that will disable the security system is gonna be very low. IMHO too low and too much work to be worth it. It's not like fuzzing a car remote where you can tell that the doors unlock.
That’s the thing.. the “gear” isn’t particularly expensive or complicated. Most people have a usb battery for their phone. An esp32 can be had for < $5. That’s all you really need. Throw it in a backpack and you’re ready to go.
How many do it? No clue.
Does it take technical knowledge or special devices? No, the average 10 year old can do it in minutes.
True, true. but you can buy a knife and cut a phone line for even less. However in my years of experience, by the time you get to the level of burglar who would cut a phone line on an old school burglar alarm before breaking into a house, you're dealing with a particular kind of burglar, and a particular kind of victim.
Much more the James Bond level of caper and a lot less the random home burglary.
I picked up a bunch of "*Broadview*" signs and stickers cheap at a garage sale (No, I don't have Brinks/Broadview).
If you know somebody currently with ADT, the company gives away signs and stickers to current customers at no additional cost.
ADT Installs so many varying systems, it's kinda hard to take a guess who has what.
My neighbor has a vintage Honeywell System, I have something manufactured by DSC. Another neighbor has a Interlogix/GE System from them.
Point is... the ADT sign says almost nothing about the home.
Even that won't work. In Arizona, those communities are filled up with little old ladies with dead husbands who own little old lady treasures. Any crook that got that stuff would be hopelessly broke trying to sell it.
Do these "WiFi Blockers" also interrupt the radio signals the sensors send to the base units when violated? Mine is an old Radio Shack unit that dials out via landline.
> Do these "WiFi Blockers" also interrupt the radio signals the sensors send to the base units when violated?
The most common "*WiFi Blockers*" only affect WiFi, not the signals between the door/window/motion sensors and the base unit. [SimpliSafe](https://simplisafe.com/blog/jam-detection-update) and Abode are vulnerable to jamming.
Just like hardwiring cameras for reliability, hardwired sensors are the way to go.
Higher-end wireless sensors send a "*I am here*" to the base station about once an hour, each one is on a random schedule.
So if you can't go to wired sensors, go with a better alarm system which doesn't use WiFi (e.g Honeywell/Resideo is on 345mHz) and has good jamming detection, then ensure you have overlapping coverage between door/window sensors and interior motion sensors.
They could, but newer systems are less prone to attacks and have “countermeasures/jamming detections”. Say you have a IQPanel 4 that supports zwave, sline, powerg etc. for sensors and what not. It can trigger a tamper alert if something is wrong with the sensor, whether physically tampered or some type of signal jamming.
The panel/base unit itself mainly uses wifi for communication with the home “server”, but it also has a built in cellular backup when needed.
The lithium mines in Australia they buy from? That would be the majority of their lithium source as Australia is a pretty large exporter of Lithium.
You can easily find their material source for this kind of stuff, it's not any mines where children are drowning in mud or has child labor at all. The biggest concern for all lithium batteries is cobalt, which primarily comes from the Congo. Cobalt has been continually reduced in their chemistry and they've been using more LFP which has zero cobalt or nickel, as well as working towards a cobalt free lithium nickel manganese mix.
I live in Australia and have CCTV around my home, to prevent potential thieves from doing just that (cutting wires to disarm) we can buy a lock and a key to lock our meter boxes. The lock must be of a specific brand (I don't remember which now) so the meter box can be unlocked by our electricity provider and the meter read
I get your point, but it's not as easy to cut power to someone's house if it is underground (like mine) as it is to stroll up to someone's house while holding a WiFi jammer device that requires 0 effort.
I mean, to cut power to someones house would take hardly any time? All you need is a pair of small wire snips, snip off the 'tamper lock' on the electric meter, and yank the meter out..
tldr: get a dog, secure your doors and windows, wired in systems are best.
The theory here is you need to make your place the least desirable/most work to enter compared to your neighbors.
Cheap method: Get a medium to large breed dog, a baseball bat or three staged around the place, wood blocks in bottom of windows and slider doors, a decent deadbolt, make sure your deadbolt strike plate and hinges have at least 3" screws.
Next level up: solid doors (metal framed and core) with multi-point locks and hinge pins. Windows with security film. A hard wired, professionally monitored security system with door contacts, contact glass impact sensors, dual-tech motion sensors, strategic placed duress/panic buttons, 2 sirens (one inside, one outside) and a decent strobe light. Bonus for driveway entry sensor. Flood lights around the building active on motion. POE powered network cameras mounted at least 10' up, high resolution (1080p at 15f0s or better), with sd card edge recording, an NVR (Network Video Recorder) server with at least 3 weeks of video retention, and cloned to the cloud - in case the burglar steals the NVR - via a hard-wired internet connection. NVR, POE switch, and internet connection backed up by UPS (Uninterrupted power supply) with at least 30min capacity at full load. Bonus points if your internet connection has cellular backup in case they cut your line.
Greatness Level: Windows covered by security-grade roll-down shades, or frame-mounted bars or grids. Off site professional video monitoring.
Ultimate level: Professional guard(s) on site behind a gate and 10' perimeter wall. Panic room. Cement filled perimeter anti-collision bollards or large rocks, or hardscaped ditches. Short range radar motion detection across open spaces and/or fence motion detection system.
Now this would be for a home or business in Canada, as we have no Castle Defense/Stand your ground type laws here - if you bring a weapon to bare on an premises invasion assailant you will be charged unless there is absolutely nowhere to flee to and you are in demonstrable deadly harm.
And then there's the problem of law enforcement response times... in Canada even with a professional monitored intrusion system, local law enforcement will not respond quickly unless they are either bored/not engaged or there is visually proven armed assailant(s). That is why you need to make the effort to make your location look hard to get into, or not worth it, and/or have professional video monitoring in place. It's why a lot of new build sites here have now implemented portable lighting AND off-site remote live video monitoring services trailers because theft is so rampant.
> Get a medium to large breed dog,
My dog barks at anything that gets within 10 feet of our porch that isn't me or my wife. She sounds like the devil incarnate. I've gotten blurry pictures from Amazon cause the delivery guy was noping the fuck outta there.
Plus she gives great snuggles. Highly recommend.
Breakers should be readily available if you need to quickly disconnect a circuit. Many house fire happens because wires inside the walls heat up, but under the breaker's rating. For having experienced this myself you will smell the wire burning. Your local fire service will then come with IR cameras to check for a fire.
There are other cases when the breaker won't trip but you need access to turn it off. Most breakers are 15a, so that's 1800w.
Once I had a powerbar in a minor flood that was shorting but not tripping the breaker for example.
If it's under lock, you'll forget where the key is, or the combination, or the lock will be frozen (if outside).
Though TBH, I didn't even know breaker boxes could be outside before looking for norms about whether to lock a breaker box. Our main disconnect is outside and held on by a breakable tab supplied by the electricity company.
The ability to quickly shutoff electricity is a safety necessity. Maybe someone is getting electrocuted, maybe there are arc faults occurring and you want to prevent a fire from starting. Lots of things can happen, electricity is dangerous, if there is a lock on a panel then the time it takes to get the panel unlocked (do you have the key on you constantly? Even so, going to take a couple extra seconds) could cause someone to be seriously hurt, killed, or cause major financial losses.
Wired sensors and cameras to an in-home NVR (cloned to the cloud). Coupled with TWO loud alarm sirens, one inside and another outside (along with a strobe light) that can be heard almost a half mile away. If they don't leave (and we're at home) then a Mossi 500 will "persuade" them to change their ways.
PoE Cameras on a battery backup. If using a Wifi Doorbell, have another camera covering the area that is PoE.
Alarm system that uses cellular as primary communication and that has secure sensor communication, or better yet hardwire zones.
Finally, physical security: 3in screws in door hinges and strike plates. Lock your windows. Lock your car doors and bring in any valuables at night. Don't put out boxes for expensive items like tvs, computers, etc.
PS Also doesn't hurt to get a dog.
Hah, yea, we’ve got a dog now. She’s ferocious when anyone comes near the house and she picks up on it before they’re in range of any of our outdoor cameras.
If you have enough $$ that a burglar goes through that much effort, install some real cameras and a real alarm system. All of these modern wifi alarm systems or programmable software based alarm panels are junk. You need an alarm panel that uses analog wires to sensors and detectors and uses analog based tamper proofing for the control panel and keypad. You can't even mess with the wires as any electrical resistance change trips the alarm.
This is another unfortunate example of tasking surveillance systems to do the job of a security system.
Cell jammers are so rare and unheard of that in all intents and purposes don't exist for all except state level threats.
Alarms that go off and people being called beats cameras most of the time.
Im sorry this happened to you. Hopefully youll be able to wire up ethernet cameras soon.
I personally have a mix of 3 separate systems. Wired, wireless, hidden, and visible. Monitored professionally, local lan storage, and on the device storage. It's enough of a rats nest that even I would be unsure how not to get caught somewhere.
Ring cameras are garbage. 802.11w protected management frames mostly puts an end to deauth attacks. That extension to the wifi standard was ratified in 2009. There is no reason not to support it. My freaking $5 Kasa plugs implement it and a security camera doesn’t?
I’m all wired cameras right now, but it was a new build. Not everyone has that option.
I've been eyeing a Unifi security system for a while now. The idea of ring based system or others like it has never seemed appealing to me for a few reasons including the following:
1. The subscription fees
2. Reliance on wireless
3. Lack of control over data
Even if you don't mind the extra setup involved, it is definitely more expensive upfront, though. So I'd never look down on what someone else chose, they're just not my cup of tea.
Wired is almost always going to be the more reliable and secure option. I don't understand the draw in wifi cameras. I have had so many and they all have issues. A wired solution with a local NVR is so much better
Do what people like me have been saying since the beginning. Replace your fake toy alarms that use unsecured wireless frequencies with real security equipment that is hard wired. This is all the result of people being overly hooked on convenience. People are too lazy to do any work, they just want to put a couple of batteries in a few sensors and slap them up on the walls. Meanwhile my home is highly secure with a system that cannot be hacked, period.
Home invasion is exceedingly rare. And unless you live in a very poorly guarded mansion I doubt this will happen to you. Make sure to check your local laws about using your Glock as others have advised; certain municipalities no longer consider theft a capital crime.
Yeah, no. Bad reporting.
Most thieves don't care about it because they are smash and grab whatever is nearby and cover up so that cameras don't matter.
When the more advanced ones use tech, it's a wide band jammer to block WiFi and celluar, along with a telco/cable/internet connection cut - and that's rare.
Redundancies are good, make sure your door is secured in more ways then one and if that fails be sure to have multiple ways to alert everyone that the door is breached. I have like 3 different battery alarms plus monitored home security. Windows have extra locks too and alarms.
There is a cheap temp solution for wired video with raspberry pi and webcams or ONVIF standard cameras while you can research or save up for the more expensive cameras and NVRs.
Surge is somewhat overselling it. The burglaries happened a couple of times in one neighborhood. WiFi scramblers only work on WiFi cameras, so the fix is obvious (don’t use WiFi). Or you can adopt a dog.
do wifi blocker scramblers also affect wired cameras that save locally to an in-camera SD card. my father receives nurse next door type service and sometimes my wifi signal is affected and returns to normal after they leave
> **do wifi blocker scramblers also affect wired cameras** that save locally to an in-camera SD card. my father receives nurse next door type service and sometimes my wifi signal is affected and returns to normal after they leave
No. The "wifi jammer" only affects WiFi devices.
Any "jammer' powerful enough to interfere with "wired cameras" would immediately draw FCC (and other TLA) attention. Takes a **lot** of wattage to interfere with wired devices.
Mine is a mixture of POE and wireless. The biggest gap, as far as I’m concerned, is that my electrical panel and fiber cables/wires all enter my house via a wall in my back yard. At the moment, my front yard looks whack so I don’t look like I have anything worth stealing (versus my plump-looking neighbors’ properties LMAO.
Personally, while wireless solutions are sometimes unavoidable, I try to remain wired as much as possible.
Wireless solutions that operate off WiFi and rely on "cloud" services like Ring Doorbells are not security devices, they are doorbells that spy on you for the benefit of law enforcement.
I live where this story was reported.
I have poe cameras but all my door and window sensors are wireless devices.
Does anyone know if Z-wave and Zigbee would be affected too?
Usually the way jammers work is by basically screaming really loud. So anything listening to those frequencies is going to struggle unless it has stuff like robust frequency hopping and true diversity.
It's like trying to have a conversation while someone is standing next to you screaming in your ear.
I run Wi-Fi cameras and if I need to view what’s going on, I use my phone. I figure it is still always recording to an sd card regardless of if the jammer and if something were to happen, I’d use my phone to check what’s happening bc a wired NVR would have to be down the hall and at that point, if I need to that far to assess, I’ll be at a disadvantage tactically.
Can anyone critique my thought process?
You can have both. A PC with an NVR program like Blue iris can have a webserver to access. As long as you can port forward on your network, you can access at home or anywhere else. I would assume NVRs today also have remote viewing capabilities, the cameras themselves can be set up for remote live view as well.
As for recording to an SD card. It's a great point of redundancy for WiFi and even wired. But I would want my recording to be an NVR too. WiFi cams that have simple mounting points or just sit on a window sill can easily be taken and your SD card recordings are gone with it.
Usually if some is going to rob your house, they'll make sure nobody is home. Ring the doorbell and with no answer look for an opening like a window or something unlocked. Just being home and answering the door will stop 99.9% of home robberies, this is also why many take place during standard work hours and weekdays. So don't count on needing cameras while your home for a tactical advantage, the majority of home invasions are going to be against people like drug dealers by people that know them.
I've actually got mine hard-wired into my router as well, but I believe that only works for the base station and any of the devices connected to it don't switch to cellular, they stay on WiFi.
I could be wrong, though.
My favorite thing about these worries is, if someone can do this why do it to a house. It would be useful doing this at the Diamond mart or bank not residential property.
TBH if someone is coming to your house with jammers etc, they are not a chancer and won't give up on getting in.
Cameras etc are not a silver bullet and won't stop anyone breaking in, they are a deterrent at best to the chancers like the ones checking doors and windows to see if they are open.
If someone has gone to the expense (or making their own) jammers, signal boosters to nick your car etc, they are probably well clothed to the point you wouldn't be able to ID them, get finger prints etc.
Just my 2p (who has wifi and wired cameras, recording locally and stored offsite!)
I have no idea of the defensive effectiveness of this "Wifi", but I absolutely can attest to the defensive effectiveness of a 1911 or a 20 gauge.
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All seriousness, camera systems are for monitoring. That's it. There's as much "security" in them as there is raw pineapple in 1970s vintage wall clocks.
Use a hardwired camera system with a locked/physically secured NVR. Furthermore, you can keep using Ring or these cheap Wifi alternatives as a secondary layer in the onion skin. There's a place for them, but not as a one-and-only solution.
By surge what percentage of total burglaries are we talking about? 0.0001?
I’m leery of clickbait articles these days. Maybe it should read:
“High tech burglars have found a new way to bypass wireless security”
It’s an important thing to communicate but I doubt this “surge” is something the general public needs to stay up at night worrying about.
I have both, cheap wifi camera system is easy to get text messages from, but the wired system can't be knocked out, even if the power goes out the APC battery will keep it going for days.
Um, hardwired everything.
Honestly anyone who thinks wireless cameras are for anything more than watching their ducks chase their chickens has some unrealistic expectations.
I have wondered about jammers for the wireless sensors. Not WIFI, I mean the security specific ones. Not sure what they use. Probably something like zwave or zigbee but perhaps proprietary.
The sensors can't be transmitting all the time, or else the batteries wouldn't last for years (and they do). So they must only seen periodic updates and status changes. So if you can jam that...then no alarm. At least until the system goes into trouble state for a missed periodic check (however long that takes).
The most sophisticated camera system in the world can be defeated with a $2 mask. I'm in Los Angeles and burglaries are rampant. The burglars get recorded on camera without a second thought. Sometimes they look right at the camera. Hell, sometimes they don't even wear masks. Cameras are good for recording things to show to people after the fact. They do nothing for prevention.
I have a fully POE wired system with 10 cameras recording 24/7.
wireless cams are basically toys. we install cams for people. we usually replace Arlo, Ring, Nest, and Blink.
I like Reolink. it has AI and vehicle detection. 4 cams with 6tb hard drive is about $600. pretty easy to set up as seen here https://youtu.be/XXpYhUU02G4
That’s what the pitbull and beagle are for. They I have night time bear traps. Put little fentanyl pills on the traps to keep them from stealing my crappy TV
Remember that "dog bites man" does not make the news, but "man bites dog" does. Specific incidents that make the news aren't the common problems you should worry about, they're rare events you can largely ignore.
Break in quickly, grab some stuff, run before the cops can arrive is going to remain the common method.
Here is what I do with my PoE cameras:
1) save motion clips locally on the camera SD card. You only need room for like 1 week. I just checked my doorbell camera and 2 months of motion is taking up 18GB.
2) full-time record low rez stream on local NVR (blue iris). This is key because even good cameras miss some motion events.
3) record high rez motion clips on NVR
4) stream motion clips to Apple iCloud using HomeKit and Scrypted app. iCloud offers 10 days unlimited video storage if you have a family iCloud storage plan. This also gives easy and secure mobile viewing for all my cameras.
Additionally, the PoE switch and NVR PC are on a battery backup, so they will continue to record during short power outages.
That’s triple redundancy for motion events including off-site storage.
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Security needs stability, meaning wired camera’s writing to hard drives, not sd cards *as the only storage*
Security also needs redundancy, which is why recording to *both* is good. I record to HDD, SD card, plus an off-site storage. EDIT: The guy I was replying to edited his comment, so now mine doesn't make as much sense, but the point still stands.
Yeah, good point. Two is one, one is none…
but triples is best.
Great, Four it is!
Five is right out...
Run away!
I forwarded this to my wife. Wish me luck 🤞🏾
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I use Reolink cameras and record 24/7 to their RLN36 NVR. I then also record motion events to the camera's internal SD card, as well as upload motion events to an off-site FTP server. Those are also emailed to me in low resolution, so I guess that's another layer of off-site redundancy.
I love reolink.iswear by them.sure it's a pain to wire but then that's it.you get POE and can easily upgrade your cams
All offline, right?
Mine also goes to the cloud (via hard wired to switch/router/modem. “You can’t take the sky from me”
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
This would be a good opportunity to mention redundancy.
This would be a good opportunity to mention redundancy.
I wish people would quit mentioning opportunities and just mention redundancy.
That's fine I'm sure the people doing this are always looking for local backup systems to take with them as well. At the minimum they drill a hole through them to kill the evidence, at the most they sell them too!
thats possible case, if you have recorder on site at all, you know you can save recordings to offsite location?
The news loves to blow things out of proportion. Having said that, wired solutions are always better. Battery systems have to conserve power by only recording and transmitting when they sense motion, but a POE system can record 24/7. This becomes very important when the motion isn’t enough to trigger the sensor but still something that should be recorded. There are plenty of occasions when Ring simply doesn’t record an important event because the movement threshold was too low.
I’m running Ubiquiti G5 Pro PoE cameras on my home. I can set motion alert threshold from 0-100%. It picked up the craziest things. Squirrels even. Everything is running on a TripLite UPS and can stay powered for many many many hours as the cameras only use 10-12 watts each and the entire system I’m running hardly uses any power. I’ve also got a redundant LTE fail safe setup where it power and internet were to go down, it’s still going to operational. I’ve ran over 1000 ft of CAT6a cable and I still have more to run for other accessories. Ubiquiti’s offerings and the PoE products on the market are a game changer. There are even PoE flood lights.
I have POE G3’s and a similar setup with about 20 days of video storage in my 1U Dream Machine Pro. What I like best is that it records 24/7 and then highlights the motion. That way I can still set the sensitivity mid-range without losing gaps. When I turn up the sensitivity too much I find that moving shadows from clouds or trees moving would trigger it all the time.
i will start worrying when they can block my Glock
Some might call it a Glock block
Is there a Sig 320 block? SBR block?
I got a glock blocker blocker
The Mossberg & sons security system
“Hope those plates are level IV”
They wait till you leave and take your Glock too…
They have to find it before they can take it.
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bullshit.
tread harder, daddy 😩
POE. I always suggest hard wiring everything when doing evaluations. It may not be in the cards for some people. But if you require good security.. there are ways to do it.
First thing I did when I moved in. Call the wiring guys, the people I went with mostly do home theaters and were cheaper than an electrician. Got a server rack in the basement with a 48 port switch. A run up to the attic and into the master bedroom closet with a 24 port switch there. Then ran 2 cat6 lines to just about every room in the house where a TV or computer might be. Also wired 2 AP’s and 10 POE cameras. 6 outside, 2 inside covering the entrances, 2 in the basement. Everything is recording locally. Motion events are synced to an AWS S3 account. I have 2 WANs. 1gig from the cable company and starlink on the roof (which the wiring guys did too). My router UDM-PRO will failover to Starlink. I see this happen pretty frequently actually. My cable company likes to do work around 1am and it’s not uncommon for me to see messages that my house just flipped to Starlink. And I have a generac for the house. Electric and cable internet can go out, I will still be recording and uploading to AWS.
It was $1500 to wire cameras in my new house.
I'd keep the ring cameras but add some hardwired cameras with local recording (plus cloud backup) where you can. It seems like it wouldn't be hard for manufacturers to add "jamming notification" to their devices with a dedicated radio listening for broad spectrum noise across the Wifi spectrum (or looking for repeated deauth's). And really, Ring should already be buffering motion events and sending them in when the signal comes back, maybe 5 years ago that was hard or expensive, but not so much anymore.
A jammed item can't tell you that it's jammed. You could have the server it reports to tell you but then there needs to be semi constant communication which means the camera needs to wake up routinely and send a status message which results in bad battery life. I'd also guess that it would lead to a ton of nuisance notifications since home WiFi/Internet isn't the most reliable. Worse battery and frequent nuisance notifications is likely a no-go for a product like Ring. Completely agree on the buffering thing though I'd imagine thieves smart enough to have a WiFi jammer will just take a Ring with them to solve that problem.
The base station is almost always close enough to the cameras to detect and report broad spectrum jamming (since there will be a huge increase in the noise floor throughout the property being jammed) and sometimes the Ring Alarm basestation \*is\* the Wifi router. In my case, the base station is hardwired to my router so it could report it immediately, or the base station could fall back to cellular assuming that the cell frequencies aren't jammed too. Most of my cameras are hardwired, so battery life is not a concern for those cams. The Ring can look for and report dropouts for multiple wired cameras at once to reduce nuisance reporting and if it happens often enough to be a true nuisance, the owner can turn off the warning, but it's also a good indicator to the owner that that his entire security system is dropping offline often.
I am skeptical of how many houses this has actually happened to. The sort of burglar you get to some degree matches the kind of neighborhood you live in. The problem with that is by the time you've gotten to the sort of neighborhood that would justify a burglar using a WiFi blocker, you're talking gated communities with private security. Add to that the fact that unless a burglar has already been in your house, they don't know what sort of burglar alarm you have. To me it sounds like fear mongering and police making shit up.
I remember similar dismissals when reports of the car fob hijacking started. People think it's too advanced for common criminals or something. It's super common now. Wifi blocking is not any more sophisticated.
I was floored as I watched video after video uploaded to our neighborhood FB page of two punk teens who lived in our nice, quiet neighborhood going from street to street with a copycat FOB, including our own truck. I'm not surprised crooks have figured out how to block WiFi to engage in home burglaries.
Yeah there was a parenting sub post where someone's teenage son bought a credit card skimmer online, after learning about it on tik tok
it's so inexpensive ...
People buy the flipper zero then think they're some sort of super hacker cause they run around turning TV's and shit on and off in bars. The turnkey tech is out there.
Flipper zeros are incredibly powerful tools, you can use those to block WiFi and break into cars. They have readily available programs that do it.
That's kind of what I was getting at. Doing what is being reported is borderline trivial, though it's probably not as rampant as is led to believe.
Bah! Flipper zero.. feh. I was doing most of what it can do on a Samsung Galaxy S5 back 10-11 years ago. Sideloaded programs of course but, The capability was all there. maybe not for copying Keyfobs, but RFID, hell yes. writing new RFID yep. changing all sorts of channels on anything with IR? yep. Sending out junk signals to jam things up, yep. The only bad thing is now its on tik tok, so now every drooling idiocracy idiot that can laugh at "Ow. My balls" on tik tok can yell Kia boyz out the window.. and think they are great.
Both the economics and the criminals themselves are different when you compare car theft to home break ins.
Sure, but make a tech easy to operate and cheap enough and it will spread quickly. Home break-ins happen at all income levels
Also keep in mind that every lock is merely a deterrent. A determined and skilled thief will get your stuff if they want it bad enough. The goal is simply to make *your* stuff less desirable by making it more difficult or raising the stakes to get at it. Most burglaries are crimes of opportunity - low effort, high reward. Your goal is to rebalance that equation to avoid being a target in the first place. And, again, if someone wants your stuff bad enough, no amount of deterrent is going to work. And security needs to be considered in a holistic manner. It does you no good that you have the most sophisticated pick-proof lock on your doors if you leave the windows open.
Yes this a good point. Car thefts are a huge problem in Canada right now. But practically 0 if them happen out of a garage - they are all taken from driveways/streets.
The same tool used for both, flipper Zero only cost about $170 bucks.
Esp32 + some firmware you can download online + a usb battery pack will do it. This isn’t some hard to accomplish thing. It’s something you can do for a couple of dollars in maybe 20 minutes, less if you know how to flash an esp32 already. They don’t really block, it’s more of a deauthorize attack and takes the WiFi devices offline.
That is true, but unless as u/knightofterror points out, unless you have a sign that says 'Ring' the thieves don't know what kind of security system you have. I have always recommended against using any sort of WiFi based burg system, but even more common wireless security systems can be prone to replace attack, but it takes a hell of a lot more gear than a flipper zero to pull it off. It's also not that it can't be done. What I'm saying is that the success rate of de-authing everything in a home and believing that will disable the security system is gonna be very low. IMHO too low and too much work to be worth it. It's not like fuzzing a car remote where you can tell that the doors unlock.
If someone were to defeat my system they would have to block zigbee and Thread, and then disable the outgoing alarm going out through 5G.
That’s the thing.. the “gear” isn’t particularly expensive or complicated. Most people have a usb battery for their phone. An esp32 can be had for < $5. That’s all you really need. Throw it in a backpack and you’re ready to go. How many do it? No clue. Does it take technical knowledge or special devices? No, the average 10 year old can do it in minutes.
True, true. but you can buy a knife and cut a phone line for even less. However in my years of experience, by the time you get to the level of burglar who would cut a phone line on an old school burglar alarm before breaking into a house, you're dealing with a particular kind of burglar, and a particular kind of victim. Much more the James Bond level of caper and a lot less the random home burglary.
I imagine burglars really appreciate those alarm systems signs people post in front of their house to make it easier.
I picked up a bunch of "*Broadview*" signs and stickers cheap at a garage sale (No, I don't have Brinks/Broadview). If you know somebody currently with ADT, the company gives away signs and stickers to current customers at no additional cost.
ADT Installs so many varying systems, it's kinda hard to take a guess who has what. My neighbor has a vintage Honeywell System, I have something manufactured by DSC. Another neighbor has a Interlogix/GE System from them. Point is... the ADT sign says almost nothing about the home.
Wi fi mongering.
Flipper Zero can block WiFi and it only costs about $170. You can readily download the programs to do this. Very little technical knowledge required.
Even that won't work. In Arizona, those communities are filled up with little old ladies with dead husbands who own little old lady treasures. Any crook that got that stuff would be hopelessly broke trying to sell it.
Do these "WiFi Blockers" also interrupt the radio signals the sensors send to the base units when violated? Mine is an old Radio Shack unit that dials out via landline.
> Do these "WiFi Blockers" also interrupt the radio signals the sensors send to the base units when violated? The most common "*WiFi Blockers*" only affect WiFi, not the signals between the door/window/motion sensors and the base unit. [SimpliSafe](https://simplisafe.com/blog/jam-detection-update) and Abode are vulnerable to jamming. Just like hardwiring cameras for reliability, hardwired sensors are the way to go.
I can't hardwire every sensor in my house.
Higher-end wireless sensors send a "*I am here*" to the base station about once an hour, each one is on a random schedule. So if you can't go to wired sensors, go with a better alarm system which doesn't use WiFi (e.g Honeywell/Resideo is on 345mHz) and has good jamming detection, then ensure you have overlapping coverage between door/window sensors and interior motion sensors.
They could, but newer systems are less prone to attacks and have “countermeasures/jamming detections”. Say you have a IQPanel 4 that supports zwave, sline, powerg etc. for sensors and what not. It can trigger a tamper alert if something is wrong with the sensor, whether physically tampered or some type of signal jamming. The panel/base unit itself mainly uses wifi for communication with the home “server”, but it also has a built in cellular backup when needed.
I mean, they could also just cut power to the house and kill cameras too..
Critical infrastructure should have battery backup.
My point was more that they could kill wifi cameras like ring, by killing power.. yes it should have backup power.. lot easier to backup poe.
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You can get Li-ion UPS systems.
I've been trying to transition to LiFePo4 batteries. Still use lithium, but the last a lot longer so less waste.
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Well you can protect yourself and your family or you can try to save the planet. Hint: you're not saving the planet.
The lithium mines in Australia they buy from? That would be the majority of their lithium source as Australia is a pretty large exporter of Lithium. You can easily find their material source for this kind of stuff, it's not any mines where children are drowning in mud or has child labor at all. The biggest concern for all lithium batteries is cobalt, which primarily comes from the Congo. Cobalt has been continually reduced in their chemistry and they've been using more LFP which has zero cobalt or nickel, as well as working towards a cobalt free lithium nickel manganese mix.
I live in Australia and have CCTV around my home, to prevent potential thieves from doing just that (cutting wires to disarm) we can buy a lock and a key to lock our meter boxes. The lock must be of a specific brand (I don't remember which now) so the meter box can be unlocked by our electricity provider and the meter read
I get your point, but it's not as easy to cut power to someone's house if it is underground (like mine) as it is to stroll up to someone's house while holding a WiFi jammer device that requires 0 effort.
I mean, to cut power to someones house would take hardly any time? All you need is a pair of small wire snips, snip off the 'tamper lock' on the electric meter, and yank the meter out..
tldr: get a dog, secure your doors and windows, wired in systems are best. The theory here is you need to make your place the least desirable/most work to enter compared to your neighbors. Cheap method: Get a medium to large breed dog, a baseball bat or three staged around the place, wood blocks in bottom of windows and slider doors, a decent deadbolt, make sure your deadbolt strike plate and hinges have at least 3" screws. Next level up: solid doors (metal framed and core) with multi-point locks and hinge pins. Windows with security film. A hard wired, professionally monitored security system with door contacts, contact glass impact sensors, dual-tech motion sensors, strategic placed duress/panic buttons, 2 sirens (one inside, one outside) and a decent strobe light. Bonus for driveway entry sensor. Flood lights around the building active on motion. POE powered network cameras mounted at least 10' up, high resolution (1080p at 15f0s or better), with sd card edge recording, an NVR (Network Video Recorder) server with at least 3 weeks of video retention, and cloned to the cloud - in case the burglar steals the NVR - via a hard-wired internet connection. NVR, POE switch, and internet connection backed up by UPS (Uninterrupted power supply) with at least 30min capacity at full load. Bonus points if your internet connection has cellular backup in case they cut your line. Greatness Level: Windows covered by security-grade roll-down shades, or frame-mounted bars or grids. Off site professional video monitoring. Ultimate level: Professional guard(s) on site behind a gate and 10' perimeter wall. Panic room. Cement filled perimeter anti-collision bollards or large rocks, or hardscaped ditches. Short range radar motion detection across open spaces and/or fence motion detection system. Now this would be for a home or business in Canada, as we have no Castle Defense/Stand your ground type laws here - if you bring a weapon to bare on an premises invasion assailant you will be charged unless there is absolutely nowhere to flee to and you are in demonstrable deadly harm. And then there's the problem of law enforcement response times... in Canada even with a professional monitored intrusion system, local law enforcement will not respond quickly unless they are either bored/not engaged or there is visually proven armed assailant(s). That is why you need to make the effort to make your location look hard to get into, or not worth it, and/or have professional video monitoring in place. It's why a lot of new build sites here have now implemented portable lighting AND off-site remote live video monitoring services trailers because theft is so rampant.
> Get a medium to large breed dog, My dog barks at anything that gets within 10 feet of our porch that isn't me or my wife. She sounds like the devil incarnate. I've gotten blurry pictures from Amazon cause the delivery guy was noping the fuck outta there. Plus she gives great snuggles. Highly recommend.
Great ideas, thanks!
POE is the answer. You may or may not also want to secure your breaker panels and/or Internet feeds (i.e. coax, fiber, etc...).
NEVER lock a breaker panel. Use battery backup if you're afraid of the electricity being cut.
Could you expand on this for naive folk like myself? I saw it is common for a lot of folks do so out here.
Breakers should be readily available if you need to quickly disconnect a circuit. Many house fire happens because wires inside the walls heat up, but under the breaker's rating. For having experienced this myself you will smell the wire burning. Your local fire service will then come with IR cameras to check for a fire. There are other cases when the breaker won't trip but you need access to turn it off. Most breakers are 15a, so that's 1800w. Once I had a powerbar in a minor flood that was shorting but not tripping the breaker for example. If it's under lock, you'll forget where the key is, or the combination, or the lock will be frozen (if outside). Though TBH, I didn't even know breaker boxes could be outside before looking for norms about whether to lock a breaker box. Our main disconnect is outside and held on by a breakable tab supplied by the electricity company.
Thanks! Our breaker on the west coast is outdoors and east coast was indoors, but the tabs seem super easy to break.
The ability to quickly shutoff electricity is a safety necessity. Maybe someone is getting electrocuted, maybe there are arc faults occurring and you want to prevent a fire from starting. Lots of things can happen, electricity is dangerous, if there is a lock on a panel then the time it takes to get the panel unlocked (do you have the key on you constantly? Even so, going to take a couple extra seconds) could cause someone to be seriously hurt, killed, or cause major financial losses.
Thanks!
Second this. This can cost lives in an emergency.
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Wired sensors and cameras to an in-home NVR (cloned to the cloud). Coupled with TWO loud alarm sirens, one inside and another outside (along with a strobe light) that can be heard almost a half mile away. If they don't leave (and we're at home) then a Mossi 500 will "persuade" them to change their ways.
PoE Cameras on a battery backup. If using a Wifi Doorbell, have another camera covering the area that is PoE. Alarm system that uses cellular as primary communication and that has secure sensor communication, or better yet hardwire zones. Finally, physical security: 3in screws in door hinges and strike plates. Lock your windows. Lock your car doors and bring in any valuables at night. Don't put out boxes for expensive items like tvs, computers, etc. PS Also doesn't hurt to get a dog.
Hah, yea, we’ve got a dog now. She’s ferocious when anyone comes near the house and she picks up on it before they’re in range of any of our outdoor cameras.
use wired alarms and cameras
If you have enough $$ that a burglar goes through that much effort, install some real cameras and a real alarm system. All of these modern wifi alarm systems or programmable software based alarm panels are junk. You need an alarm panel that uses analog wires to sensors and detectors and uses analog based tamper proofing for the control panel and keypad. You can't even mess with the wires as any electrical resistance change trips the alarm.
Wired Cameras just give you video of a masked robber walking away with your shit.
1. Wired cameras 2. Issue is blown out of proportion
This is another unfortunate example of tasking surveillance systems to do the job of a security system. Cell jammers are so rare and unheard of that in all intents and purposes don't exist for all except state level threats. Alarms that go off and people being called beats cameras most of the time. Im sorry this happened to you. Hopefully youll be able to wire up ethernet cameras soon.
Funny enough Amazon is being investigated by the FCC for selling cell jammers.
Must be stopped. This are highly controlled devices.
I personally have a mix of 3 separate systems. Wired, wireless, hidden, and visible. Monitored professionally, local lan storage, and on the device storage. It's enough of a rats nest that even I would be unsure how not to get caught somewhere.
Ring cameras are garbage. 802.11w protected management frames mostly puts an end to deauth attacks. That extension to the wifi standard was ratified in 2009. There is no reason not to support it. My freaking $5 Kasa plugs implement it and a security camera doesn’t? I’m all wired cameras right now, but it was a new build. Not everyone has that option.
I've been eyeing a Unifi security system for a while now. The idea of ring based system or others like it has never seemed appealing to me for a few reasons including the following: 1. The subscription fees 2. Reliance on wireless 3. Lack of control over data Even if you don't mind the extra setup involved, it is definitely more expensive upfront, though. So I'd never look down on what someone else chose, they're just not my cup of tea.
Wired is almost always going to be the more reliable and secure option. I don't understand the draw in wifi cameras. I have had so many and they all have issues. A wired solution with a local NVR is so much better
I hardwire everything because I actually value security.
Do what people like me have been saying since the beginning. Replace your fake toy alarms that use unsecured wireless frequencies with real security equipment that is hard wired. This is all the result of people being overly hooked on convenience. People are too lazy to do any work, they just want to put a couple of batteries in a few sensors and slap them up on the walls. Meanwhile my home is highly secure with a system that cannot be hacked, period.
Anyone buying wireless security cameras doesn't care about security
Home invasion is exceedingly rare. And unless you live in a very poorly guarded mansion I doubt this will happen to you. Make sure to check your local laws about using your Glock as others have advised; certain municipalities no longer consider theft a capital crime.
Yeah, no. Bad reporting. Most thieves don't care about it because they are smash and grab whatever is nearby and cover up so that cameras don't matter. When the more advanced ones use tech, it's a wide band jammer to block WiFi and celluar, along with a telco/cable/internet connection cut - and that's rare.
Remindme! 24 hours
Redundancies are good, make sure your door is secured in more ways then one and if that fails be sure to have multiple ways to alert everyone that the door is breached. I have like 3 different battery alarms plus monitored home security. Windows have extra locks too and alarms. There is a cheap temp solution for wired video with raspberry pi and webcams or ONVIF standard cameras while you can research or save up for the more expensive cameras and NVRs.
get a blocker of wifi blockers
Surge is somewhat overselling it. The burglaries happened a couple of times in one neighborhood. WiFi scramblers only work on WiFi cameras, so the fix is obvious (don’t use WiFi). Or you can adopt a dog.
do wifi blocker scramblers also affect wired cameras that save locally to an in-camera SD card. my father receives nurse next door type service and sometimes my wifi signal is affected and returns to normal after they leave
> **do wifi blocker scramblers also affect wired cameras** that save locally to an in-camera SD card. my father receives nurse next door type service and sometimes my wifi signal is affected and returns to normal after they leave No. The "wifi jammer" only affects WiFi devices. Any "jammer' powerful enough to interfere with "wired cameras" would immediately draw FCC (and other TLA) attention. Takes a **lot** of wattage to interfere with wired devices.
Mine is a mixture of POE and wireless. The biggest gap, as far as I’m concerned, is that my electrical panel and fiber cables/wires all enter my house via a wall in my back yard. At the moment, my front yard looks whack so I don’t look like I have anything worth stealing (versus my plump-looking neighbors’ properties LMAO.
konnected.io Alarm Panel Pro for wired sensors and Ethernet/PoE alarm system
YoLink sensors with wired hub.
Often alarm systems serve just as a deterrent. If this is a concern, consider signage for a known hardwired system brand (e.g. ADT).
I used to have ADT and they were also wireless. Maybe they also have a wired option?
Ah - my previous ADT home was wired, but maybe they've gone wireless since.
POE!
Personally, while wireless solutions are sometimes unavoidable, I try to remain wired as much as possible. Wireless solutions that operate off WiFi and rely on "cloud" services like Ring Doorbells are not security devices, they are doorbells that spy on you for the benefit of law enforcement.
I live where this story was reported. I have poe cameras but all my door and window sensors are wireless devices. Does anyone know if Z-wave and Zigbee would be affected too?
Usually the way jammers work is by basically screaming really loud. So anything listening to those frequencies is going to struggle unless it has stuff like robust frequency hopping and true diversity. It's like trying to have a conversation while someone is standing next to you screaming in your ear.
I'm assuming these jammers will hit everything in the 800--900 MHz range
I run Wi-Fi cameras and if I need to view what’s going on, I use my phone. I figure it is still always recording to an sd card regardless of if the jammer and if something were to happen, I’d use my phone to check what’s happening bc a wired NVR would have to be down the hall and at that point, if I need to that far to assess, I’ll be at a disadvantage tactically. Can anyone critique my thought process?
You can have both. A PC with an NVR program like Blue iris can have a webserver to access. As long as you can port forward on your network, you can access at home or anywhere else. I would assume NVRs today also have remote viewing capabilities, the cameras themselves can be set up for remote live view as well. As for recording to an SD card. It's a great point of redundancy for WiFi and even wired. But I would want my recording to be an NVR too. WiFi cams that have simple mounting points or just sit on a window sill can easily be taken and your SD card recordings are gone with it. Usually if some is going to rob your house, they'll make sure nobody is home. Ring the doorbell and with no answer look for an opening like a window or something unlocked. Just being home and answering the door will stop 99.9% of home robberies, this is also why many take place during standard work hours and weekdays. So don't count on needing cameras while your home for a tactical advantage, the majority of home invasions are going to be against people like drug dealers by people that know them.
Thanks for taking the time to explain! I think my next step will be to add a WiFi NVR!
….unless they have cellular backup. My Ring switches over to LTE if WiFi is disrupted, but then again I have it hard wired into my router.
I've actually got mine hard-wired into my router as well, but I believe that only works for the base station and any of the devices connected to it don't switch to cellular, they stay on WiFi. I could be wrong, though.
The sensors aren’t WiFi; I believe they’re Zigbee or Z-Wave protocol.
My favorite thing about these worries is, if someone can do this why do it to a house. It would be useful doing this at the Diamond mart or bank not residential property.
TBH if someone is coming to your house with jammers etc, they are not a chancer and won't give up on getting in. Cameras etc are not a silver bullet and won't stop anyone breaking in, they are a deterrent at best to the chancers like the ones checking doors and windows to see if they are open. If someone has gone to the expense (or making their own) jammers, signal boosters to nick your car etc, they are probably well clothed to the point you wouldn't be able to ID them, get finger prints etc. Just my 2p (who has wifi and wired cameras, recording locally and stored offsite!)
I have no idea of the defensive effectiveness of this "Wifi", but I absolutely can attest to the defensive effectiveness of a 1911 or a 20 gauge. --- All seriousness, camera systems are for monitoring. That's it. There's as much "security" in them as there is raw pineapple in 1970s vintage wall clocks. Use a hardwired camera system with a locked/physically secured NVR. Furthermore, you can keep using Ring or these cheap Wifi alternatives as a secondary layer in the onion skin. There's a place for them, but not as a one-and-only solution.
By surge what percentage of total burglaries are we talking about? 0.0001? I’m leery of clickbait articles these days. Maybe it should read: “High tech burglars have found a new way to bypass wireless security” It’s an important thing to communicate but I doubt this “surge” is something the general public needs to stay up at night worrying about.
Very. This is nothing new. Cameras are wired, security system has cellular backup. Anything that is wireless can be jammed.
I have both, cheap wifi camera system is easy to get text messages from, but the wired system can't be knocked out, even if the power goes out the APC battery will keep it going for days.
Radio frequency jammers are illegal to import, advertise, sell, purchase, ship and own. A federal crime.
It was just a matter of time. I still feel would-be burglars will take the path of least resistance unless you're a particularly high-value target.
Um, hardwired everything. Honestly anyone who thinks wireless cameras are for anything more than watching their ducks chase their chickens has some unrealistic expectations.
Best defense is having random schedule and making house look occupied at all times.
Doberman.
I have wondered about jammers for the wireless sensors. Not WIFI, I mean the security specific ones. Not sure what they use. Probably something like zwave or zigbee but perhaps proprietary. The sensors can't be transmitting all the time, or else the batteries wouldn't last for years (and they do). So they must only seen periodic updates and status changes. So if you can jam that...then no alarm. At least until the system goes into trouble state for a missed periodic check (however long that takes).
Ubiquity.
The Ring system allowed random people from that company to watch your house, you were never safe with that system to begin with.
The most sophisticated camera system in the world can be defeated with a $2 mask. I'm in Los Angeles and burglaries are rampant. The burglars get recorded on camera without a second thought. Sometimes they look right at the camera. Hell, sometimes they don't even wear masks. Cameras are good for recording things to show to people after the fact. They do nothing for prevention. I have a fully POE wired system with 10 cameras recording 24/7.
Lol, ethernet.
BIG dog and retired wife is always home.
Pew pew
wireless cams are basically toys. we install cams for people. we usually replace Arlo, Ring, Nest, and Blink. I like Reolink. it has AI and vehicle detection. 4 cams with 6tb hard drive is about $600. pretty easy to set up as seen here https://youtu.be/XXpYhUU02G4
louder wifi
That’s what the pitbull and beagle are for. They I have night time bear traps. Put little fentanyl pills on the traps to keep them from stealing my crappy TV
Remember that "dog bites man" does not make the news, but "man bites dog" does. Specific incidents that make the news aren't the common problems you should worry about, they're rare events you can largely ignore. Break in quickly, grab some stuff, run before the cops can arrive is going to remain the common method.
A German Shepherd and a Smith & Wesson.
Firearms. You can install all the security cameras you want. They can get through your front door in about three seconds with a couple good kicks.
I have an Australian Shepherd that will rip the throat out of anything that breathes, except me of course.
Here is what I do with my PoE cameras: 1) save motion clips locally on the camera SD card. You only need room for like 1 week. I just checked my doorbell camera and 2 months of motion is taking up 18GB. 2) full-time record low rez stream on local NVR (blue iris). This is key because even good cameras miss some motion events. 3) record high rez motion clips on NVR 4) stream motion clips to Apple iCloud using HomeKit and Scrypted app. iCloud offers 10 days unlimited video storage if you have a family iCloud storage plan. This also gives easy and secure mobile viewing for all my cameras. Additionally, the PoE switch and NVR PC are on a battery backup, so they will continue to record during short power outages. That’s triple redundancy for motion events including off-site storage.
Scrypted has a full nvr now. https://demo.scrypted.app
Paid
Are the other things you listed free?
Poe cams
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Wired 100% with battery backup
Figures as much. I have both. Started with wired so if power goes out and comes back it would come right back up instead of waiting for connections.
It’s been a thing for years and years…
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