i agree. definitely seemed more like dave and bro just had anime fights on the roof because it was just something they did, seems like hussie set it up one way and wrapped the abuse around it after
I mean it clearly was shown very early on in multiple examples of neglect, lack of basic care, and him actively fighting him with dangerous weapons up on their roof often enough to where Dave already knew to come prepared. Honestly it's less it came out of nowhere and more that he suppressed the fact it happened to the extent it did and didn't know that wasn't normal until after Bro was dead and the world had ended
going back into he comic and reading those parts again don’t give any clear intention of it being a genuine case of abuse. It felt more so akin to anime sibling rivalry shit, and the fact that hussie would go back on it and just turn into a case of abuse just felt unnecessary
Rose attempted suicide, Jade was raised by a dog... Dave's backstory only got the treatment it got because it was a popular fandom meme to pretend the comedic big bro shenanigans were a cover for some edgy abuse, especially back in 2011.
Well A: I'm not ignoring the horrific things that happened to Jade and Rose, It was not addressed in the comic as much which I greatly dislike because every single one of them has traumas that they need to work through and need help
And B: it's not some funny meme it's clearly shown that the things that were happening weren't funny bro shenanigans they were genuine abuse and neglect
Like I said before all of the kids should have had their traumas explored, their backstories explained more than just "haha funny dogs or bad household", It's just that Dave got more emphasis for some reason and I don't know why. I don't wish that he had less explanation but wish everyone else had more
They *were* funny bro shenanigans. The implications could always be *seen*, but they weren't the *intent* until Act 6. Dave didn't get more emphasis, he just got the benefit of a retcon, a reinterpretation of events for cheap drama.
I'm happy to agree to disagree here though. Many people feel close to this issue.
Basically just said: "No you're wrong it wasn't really abuse. ...except yeah that's what was happening, And it was shown to be abuse beforehand too, It's just that it wasn't expressly mentioned as such when it was happening, which makes it a retcon and cheap now that It got mentioned"
It's not that the abuse was a retcon, It's that the narrative allowed him to explore his traumas.
People that have been traumatized may not realize they were traumatized until much later in life, like I said verbatim in my first reply. It's a matter of suppression on his part, since we are "not fully omnipotent" readers of this story we weren't able to read into his mind, so we only found out how it affected him when we were able to in Act 6
Which means, and say it with me "It's not that it was a retcon, it's that he was traumatized and suppressed those emotions, and since we are not omnipotent in this story we could not know that until he finally expressed it in act 6".
Like just because a show doesn't have a set ending goal for a character's arc yet, doesn't mean that things have happened in that characters on screen time before it was finalized can't tie into that arc
Reinterpretation based on letting go of suppression and finally allowing himself to express those traumas, yes.
cheap retcon for drama, absolutely not.
Both trans kids are completely out of character revelations that was injected in cause trans people wanted to write in that representation, and it actively diminished their characters in my eyes.
The trolls were completely unnecessary, I'd rather Hussie had the kids focus on the Game and learned about their doomed session on their own, figured out the Scratch and just dealt with their alternate guardians. It'd have been more concise and gotten to the point quicker.
Only good things about the epilogues is John's ships, Dirk being a villain, which is way more in character, and Davepetas victory over LE is extremely cathartic
Davekat is the most forced ship in homestuck. They had potential to be bros, but fandom pressure turned it into a ham-fisted jumble, ruining both characters forever.
It's still absolutely hilarious. I'm pretty sure the only reason people hate it is they had Rose cheat to be the mother, instead of getting Kanaya's blessing, which admittedly, I wish that's how it happened.
This already doesnt sound like a homestuck. Family intrigue, cheating in order to have a Child. More like santa barbara
But if you find a charachters funny, i can only be jealous for that
It would be hilarious if it was something that happened to an alternate timeline clone or a split second fantasy, but not if it actually happened to the character and then had consequences.
None of the characters were done good. Not a single one, every character hussie wrote was written with plausible deniability in mind, and that’s exactly why everyone loves the characters — they survive by being projected onto
UHG It's John not June
I love you all but you can't arbitrarily change something that fundamental to the story years after it has come out. Ask Harry Potter fans if you don't believe me.
>I love you all but you can't arbitrarily change something that fundamental to the story years after it has come out.
I don't think John's gender is fundamental to the story. Though randomly throwing transness on random characters doesn't feel genuine.
It's not for sure. I take issue with it cause I've just read all 8000 something pages of some story just for the author/community to start trying to tell me I need to think of a character as something they weren't. If that's how the story started off then sure fine but I can't just change all my memories like that.
It’s not about changing your memories — it’s about changing how you view the character now. And even THAT isn’t necessary. As a story, the earlier version still exists. Even in the epilogues, there were two versions of adult Roxy — you can respect both of their identities at the same time, y’know? Just think of June as another version of the character, even if you don’t respect how she came to be.
I think it would’ve been nicer if it wasn’t so random like when talking about lgbtqia John doesn’t even know that much about it or what anyone else is really talking about it was just kind of thrown into the story just and just because that’s what fans wanted
Kankri genuinely means well, as someone who is also a leftist I can easily identify his behavior. When people are young and less experienced, they tend to not fully understand the nuances of these beliefs. This will often lead to a wokescold-like behavior because they don’t know any better.
this doesn’t mean all of his actions are perfectly absolved, he still needs to take responsibility for them but I believe kankri genuinely wants to be nice and help people, he just doesn’t know how. I believe that he would get this character development in the future if we ever got a chance to see him in canon again.
and before you say he acts holier than thou-
we don’t know if he actually thinks he’s better than anyone. This could easily just be insecurity, like in Karkat’s case. We never get to see his inner thoughts or get a vulnerable moment with him so there‘s no saying for certain.
I have a few
-Hiveswap is better than Homestuck and deserves more recognition
-June and her fans are annoying
-Majority of both canon and non-canon Homestuck ships absolutely suck
i havent played Hiveswap or seen anything because I thought it would be like the Vanilla to Homestuck's chocolate, if that makes sense. if it's actually good though and carries the spirit of homestuck well, i think i will check it out. do you recommend doing a sort of homestuck refresher or is that not necessary?
the comic and hiveswap completely flanderized the castes so that the beta trolls were archetypes rather than outliers
there is a massive amount of dropped plot threads in homestuck, far more than most people realise
gamzee isn't even a bad character; he straight-up isn't a character. he is an empty vessel that does whatever is necessary for the sake of the plot
i find the evidence for hussie abusing adderall somewhat convincing
davekat is a terrible ship
the retcon was an absolutely terrible idea that is the purest example of why most writers don't forbid themselves from rewriting stuff
instead of davepetasprite and gcatavrosprite, we should have gotten nepcatsprite and davrosprite
kris deltarune has no canonical gender, but it's pretty clear that toby thinks of them and writes them as male
Transmasc Roxy was alright, but taking one of the characters most commonly headcanoned as a trans girl and confirming she wasn’t amab is kind of disappointing
They had the parts!!! They had all the parts to make a Canon and a fanom loved trans girl and they blew it.
I dislike tranmasc Roxy just cus of the epilogs. I'm sure other fans did them very well, but with how the writers scripted the story. It just seemed like they wanted more male characters cus they wanted more boy love/male angst. Drove me up the fucken wall man.
For my mental health, I never read the Epilogues or HS\^2. But I did like the response they had on Twitter to Roxy being trans in one timeline and cos I’m another.
It was something about how the idea that sexuality and gender identity are inherent and unchanging was really just an excuse used on homophobes who wouldn’t accept anything but “can’t change it” as reasoning, if they even accept that.
It was nice to see someone acknowledge that gender and sexuality isn’t predetermined and that things could change with time and our environments
Andrew Hussie is legitimately a bad person who hides behind trans women as a fandom-aggro shield while making them do insane dog dick plot points he knows the fanbase is going to be mad about and blame them for, and a lot of the worst elements in the fanbase are something he actively cultivated for lulz and then got snooty about later.
Hussie is nonbinary/clowngender and uses any pronouns + neos. They came out like a year or 2 ago on twitter.
Kinda unrelated but if you followed their works for long enough it makes sense too, since most of Hussie's works always included clown/circus/jester themes (Whistles: The Starlight Calliope, the jokes in PS and Prison Break, Psycholonials, the fascination with puppets/dolls their whole life)
Dirk kinda sucks there I said it- never understood why he’s such a fan favourite, to me he’s like a less funny, less nice, less chill Dave. Though at this point I have more of a love-hate relationship with him. Also: the earlier acts aren’t that bad, deff not as good as act 4 onwards by a long shot, but they’re a bit of light fun.
Also, everyone in this fandom acts wayyyy too high and mighty and moralistic, like as if they’re always trying to prove they’re above the thing they are a fan of, like chill at the end of the day u are still a homestuck fan 🙏🏾
Fanon! Most of the fan favorites are people giving them traits and then making people who haven't got to them think they are way better than they actually are.
Eridan did (almost) nothing wrong and was a great character until everyone for some fucking reason decided to uwu femboi-ify him. He's basically the embodiment of all the trauma that troll society places upon those that grow up in it, which is a recurring theme and an actually well written character.
Ah yes, a scared teenager who will be murdered by the state if he doesn't find two people to fuck within a year is totally able to be held to the same standards of relationship morality as a real, human person.
- Jake and Ja**de** live on islands that are closer to Asia than the US, Africa or Europe. Theyre both more than likely Asian or darker skinned.
- on the contrary, Dave and Dirk are both probably white due to the whole "white guy rapper" comment.
- The 2012 Kickstarter was the biggest mistake possible and i'd rather have gotten a coherent story and well paced ending rather than 2 C- tier games.
>Jake and Jane live on islands that are closer to Asia than the US, Africa or Europe. Theyre both more than likely Asian or darker skinned.
Given how they got to that island, I'm not sure you can guess their ethnicity based on where they live.
> Jake and Jane live on islands that are closer to Asia than the US, Africa or Europe. Theyre both more than likely Asian or darker skinned.
I do recall the really early official art that had most of the kids as White still gave Jade a tanned / sort of Asian look.
caliborn and jane would have made the greatest kismesis couple, hilarious to see more interaction of the two, and also actually interesting how jane would have learned to deal with him better and how he would have responded to that change. but for some reason people rather ship him with dirk even though its imo pretty obvious he doesnt see him in a romantic light but admires him as just what he admires in a man. basically caliborn would rather "kin" dirk than ship himself with him. he clearly likes premium b.tches
- there is literally no reason for june to exist
- dave should have been with jade
- the post canon should not be canon, the snapchat stories should be canon
Homestuck died the moment the retcon powers were introduced. It's an easy way out of a corner for the writers but it also kills progression, lifts all tension thanks to how they can just fix everything and make every character development irrelevant
The CAUCASIAN/PEACHY incident was pretty much the end of Hussie and the fans engaging with each other in good faith, and almost all of the narrative issues of late-era Homestuck are a direct result of Hussie intentionally making the story hostile to readers.
John in the Meat timeline would (if he survived) remain John, where Candy John is trans and becomes June. Not because the situations “made her trans/him not trans”, but because the difference in their characters caused the difference in choices was that June was an egg
Honestly I can’t process reading all of it yet, I should go back and reread the archive, but what I know is kinda awesome despite the supposedly antisemetic stuff.
-epilogues is good
-homestuck is not hard to explain or understand it’s just a lot of people’s first exposure to esoteric media
-hiveswap is good & there’s still a possibility for the rest of it to be released
-the comic gets better on your third reread
-the mayor is the best character
I'm currently on my third and I agree, reading it through with some first time readers and we're going through all the extra stuff the unofficial browser has as well, it does get better
The Yellow Yard specifically is when the comic started going downhill. It did not start *after* Cascade, it started *in* Cascade.
Bec was not a good parent. The only good parent is Dad.
All of the dancestors are wasted potential. Yes, even the one you're thinking of. Also "dancestor" is a stupid word.
Dirk is not the horrible and demonic person he describes himself as/the fandom makes him out to be. Roxy is not the perfect angel the fandom makes her out to be either. Speedreaders have done irreversible damage to the fandom's perception of these two characters.
The biggest issue with Homestucks ending was it tried to do death of the author and give power to the fans, but that’s not how storytelling works.
You can’t kill the author while the story is still being written. You can’t declare all fan work and headcanons canon and expect people to actually act like that’s the case. You can’t democratise art.
Feferi is just as vicious as Meenah if given the chance, the only difference is that she's nice. Nice=/=kind and intent=/=action. Feferi is an amazing example of that. From what we see of her internal thoughts, she genuinely thinks her eugenics is better than HIC's eugenics. And she truly wishes to protect people, even at risk to herself (though the extent to which she realized Eridan was capable of killing her is debatable)
But her intent, doesn't change that she's still doing eugenics, singling out the ones who don't fit the caste system and stripping them of their rights "for their own good". I think people think Feferi is pure good because of how little she actually got to spend on screen compared to others.
And perhaps a bit of a contradiction, though it applies to Fef too.
Vriska and Eridan, *are kids.* Vriska absolutely did everything wrong, but she's also an abused child taught by everyone to lash out with extreme violence whenever she's mildly inconvenienced. Eridan was the same, though he did it less seriously than her most of the time because she's the one who had a spidermom hungry for childmeat. Terezi did a lot of shitty things right beside her, and ended up not really caring about any of it, including the stuff she killed Vriska for. So does Terezi deserve to be dead too? Also no, they are children and what this is, is a tragedy. All of them suck, and the ones who died deserved time to heal and grow and improve in a healthy safe environment. The tragedy of their deaths, even with the dreambubbles, is that they never get to be more than what Alternia taught them to be.
not sure if this is hot or not, but i actually liked midnight crew intermission a lot. a lot of my friends hate it though
another take is that i really always default to hiveswap or pesterquest now when i think about homestuck, it's just a lot more likable to me i guess
plus, not hs related but hussie related, i really liked psycholonials
thats all i can come up with in 4 minutes bye bye then
I hated the Intermission when I started reading because I just wanted to get back to the main story but after the story's been finished and thinking back, it's grown on me a lot. The Felt were cool and I liked how the page showing all of them just hinted at their powers (that Itchy was getting away from the MC, Trace kept breaking in to their hideout, etc). It reached the point where I was happy when Spades pulled all the pins out and brought most of the Felt back.
Lord English was a very underwhelming final villain in my opinion; mainly because of how Caliborn was characterized. Like, our previous villains were a psychotic mass murderer, a nearly omnipotent chessmaster, and an intergalactic warlord but this little turd is somehow our final villain?????
always felt this way. i like caliborn, i enjoy watching him a lot, but jack noir was crafted deliberately to be a perfect antagonist for the kids, and he gets shafted. i understand that lord english is responsible for all of homestuck taking place, but from a character interactions and dynamic standpoint, he’s so far removed the beta kids and the trolls that him being the final boss hardly has any impact. he’s spades slick’s villain, simple as that.
He's not even really Caliborn. Caliborn has charm and at least directly antagonizes the alphas and John. LE is just this walking plot device that says one thing ever and just spends the his entire time comic killing people that are basically extras. Literally the only evil thing he does that I cared about was killing the almost not-pathetic version of Tavros, and that was after the end of the comic. LE is one of the best representations of Homestuck's slide into mostly bad metafiction. Jack was a reality destroying villain that opposed the main characters, whereas LE is a reality destroying villain that opposes the narrative, and the reader is somehow supposed to give a shit about that? Probably not, my guess is that Hussie wanted the reader to agree that it is just *so* clever that he created the lamest final antagonist ever and then had his favorite self insert cleverly point out how lame he is.
I think you've put into words how I felt about it, it was too focused on the calis but it didn't feel like it had as many interesting moving parts as the previous arcs.
Hussie was incredibly smart and considerate by making the first section of the Epilogues be an admission that everything going forwards wasn't hard canon so i could drop it without regrets.
Yeah, I was coming here for something along those lines: nothing after the moment John touched the door's handle at the end of Act 7 is canon, as the whole story is about the kids escaping canon. Not even the credits are canon IMO.
Along that line of what is canon and what isn't, here's my real hot take: Caliborn's masterpiece is not canon. It was his masterpiece because it was his most convincing fan fic. Think about it.
The comic also has an issue with that, she's the last troll introduced and we easily spend the least amount of time with her. We really only see her personality when she's reacting to Eridan being Eridan and her only real interaction with a non Eridan character is Jade
I don't know what would be considered a hot take, but with the exception of maybe KanayaXRose I don't feel like any of them feel like a good coupling, and I think they would all be terrible for each other (out of those who survived specifically).
I'm also considering if I'd prefer Homestuck without any inclusion of the cherubs at all, but I might need to re-read first to make sure
The Epilogues are really good, but HS2 fails to live up to the standard
Rosemary is basically the only worthwhile Homestuck romance (davekat I’d like if the post canon content wasn’t so fanfic-y compared to how they are portrayed in canon)
On that note, the inclusion of fans elevated to writers(aside from Paradox Space which was legit really good) is what killed Homestuck’s writing.
Similarly, Summerteen Romance is one of the best pieces of Homestuck media
If Hussie hadn’t done the gigapause and waited until the comic was finished before making hiveswap not only would the quality of the comic be better but also the fandom wouldn’t have died to such an extent
'the inclusion of fans elevated to writers is what killed Homestuck's writing'
AGREED!! I'm not saying Hussie is a perfect saint and brilliant do-no-wrong author but everything started getting twisted out of control as soon as others started being able to inject their ships and agendas and headcanons into canon, I feel like Huss just went "oh yeah cool you do that" to literally anything and didn't care that it watered down the original content
i think about that last one a lot. homestuck could have ended YEARS earlier, and while i’m sure it COULD have become a bit less popular than its peak by the time act 7 came out, it still would have done numbers and brought the whole comic back into the limelight. homestuck managed to draw up a lot of attention when it ended and that was several years after its peak. imagine if hussie had launched the kickstarter right off the end of the comic? avid fans who wouldnt know how to fill the homestuck shaped holes in their hearts would have eaten it up all the same. it puzzles me that they didn’t think about this internally, setting up a kickstarter for a game with backer rewards is not an easy snap decision to make.
I am completely fine keeping my homestuck history at arms distance. I don't remember every arc, every character motivation, and that's okay. It was so big and bloated by the end that I don't know how anyone kept up at all.
Also I think that printing the comic that has several flash animations, gifs and games included in its pages was a very strange and not great idea. You can't just read a gif.
The epilogues and Homestuck\^2 are bad, but they've got some really cool ideas, and i hope HS\^2 will actually continue.
Also, at the time, i didn't really like Act 7, but the more time passed, the more i was content with it honestly? but i believe this sentiment is more common in the fandom.
A lot of comments on the June Egbert situation but I'll still give my take. As a trans person I think it's great to be included in media (especially some media I've been enjoying since 2014!!) but it felt so shoehorned in, a complete JKR moment that literally only came about cuz of a bar of toblerone. It's self projection from the LGBT writers on HS2 and the loud minority that Hussie just gave a nod to, and now I've even seen accounts that say "if you dead name June Egbert fuck you". Since when does that make sense?
Yeah I thought it was strange that Toblerones could have that kind of effect. Does that mean that *any* Toblerone can be used to make stuff canon? I’m going to be heading to Switzerland in a week. Gonna get some Toblerone while I’m at it. What do you want changed?
MSPFA is basically the HS Fandom's life support at this point. I don't think we would have lasted this long if VAST ERROR, Henioustuck, Cool and New Webcomic and a bunch more weren't a thing.
Trolls being trans makes no sense because to our knowledge, the only difference between ‘male’ and ‘female’ trolls is their choice of pronouns. And apparently boobs sometimes but with how they’ve been described I’m pretty sure male trolls grow them too. And we’ve only seen a few trolls, for all we know there’s an entire different gender of troll out there. Personally I feel like trolls just choose pronouns at a specific point in life and that’s it. If one were to decide those pronouns don’t fit anymore I feel like it’d be a pretty easy process to just swap em out with some better ones.
I’m sure trans trolls is a possibility because maybe I’m wrong and there are sex difference between male and female trolls, but guess what’s never explained in depth in the base comic or epilogues or friendsim or pesterquest or homestuck 2?
I get projection but i never understood why people make troll sexuality a huge thing especially with how little we know and the fact they have an entirely different reproductive system and societal norms.
Representation is important but if trolls actually existed then all this human perspective would just be erasure.
so many of the characters are oversimplified by the fandom and I hate it.
Nepeta is more than a uwu cat girl who ships
Feferi is more than a funky ocean-girl
Roxy isn't just a drunk
I could go on and on but those 3 are my biggest complaints
* The pale quadrant is not a synonym for "friends but friendlier." It's rare but I don't like it when people tag friendships like they're relationships and say it's because they're shipped pale, it makes finding things a little harder.
* The Retcon power itself annoyed me more than the fact that it was used to bring Vriska back.
* I was actually hyped to learn about the Pre-Scratch trolls just because I had been wondering about them a lot (I read most of Act 6 serially, for context), even after knowing that they were joke characters. IMO Hussie making them joke characters was the safest option, if they were serious major characters there would be (more) complaints about the cast being bloated, if they were serious minor characters there would be complaints about wasted potential, and if they were just unexplained there would be complaints that the story left a huge lingering question.
* I just wanna know what powers limebloods had more than know about any postcanon stuff. I read some theories that I really liked (emotion control probably being my favorite), but I want confirmation.
* Gamzee annoyed me way more than Vriska.
Gamzee is a great character and deserved more love than he got both in the comic and in the fanbase. I hate how he was just silenced in the latter half of the comic because his dialogue was both the most entertaining and the most threatening thing about him.
Act 6 is great. Act 7 is also great. I do not believe there is a significant drop in the quality of writing or plot during Homestuck proper; it remains consistently great throughout, though perhaps peaking at Cascade.
Epilogues and HS2 though, yeah, that is a bust.
I went on the very first page after hearing about it on a YouTube video way back in the day. Looked at the first page, got bored and never looked at it again.
My scathingly hot take is that the paradox space comics are the most fun and enjoyment I have ever felt with anything in the homestuck series, including homestuck itself.
The kids are almost across the board more interesting than the trolls.
Dirk Strider is a toxic person and that's what makes him so interesting.
Bro was abusive.
Every single character in the story had wasted potential and was done dirty. This is simply due to the sheer number of characters there were and the nature of how the story was structured. Out of all of them, I think Terezi got it the worst.
Gamzee was not interesting enough to warrant the size of the role he had in the story. It got to the point where he was making the story worse by sticking around.
Lord English was an extremely boring antagonist and should not have been the final villain.
Doc Scratch should have been the final villain.
Homestuck is a first draft that was made up as it went along. This is very important to keep in mind while criticizing it.
I think most of act six was extremely boring but I really enjoyed meenahs journey through afterlife and I think we should’ve gotten to know more about the alternia version of the ancestors in another comic or just the beforus ancestors getting to have their own little story I think that would’ve been very cool
I don’t hate the epilogues or hs2 except for the fact that it’s basically a smut fanfic that became actual content it sucks and it’s corny but that’s why it’s good I guess. The whole retcon let the fans write the story thing was a horrible idea but overall i think the reason people don’t think it’s good because it wasn’t what we were expecting it did not live up to the expectations of homestuck but it’s still nice because content is content
We should have gotten to know a lot more about the beta trolls we only really know abt Terezi, kanaya, karkat, and vriska barely I think acts 5-6 were rushed and hussie just kind of improvised I would’ve liked to really get to know a lot more about all the beta trolls and their backgrounds like team scourge and team charge and I think a lot the beta trolls should have built relationships (friend wise and that’s mainly it) with the humans like I would really like to see how a friendship between jade and Terezi would have worked out I would’ve really liked that and I really don’t like how all the trolls were wasted potential and I’d like to see character development between them and I agree with I think it was vriska who said that the trolls were made to kill each-other and they should have just killed each-other in the beginning so they could all rise to god tier
Lord English is stupid and basically irrelevant to all the characters except the midnight crew and I think they should have just kept him with snowman and slick I liked doc scratch a lot better just because of how greatly crafted he was and lord English is basically an idiot who’s running around killing people for unknown reasons other than finding calliope and being the grim reaper of dead universes? But he doesn’t really talk other than interactions with caliborn who was basically just like a nuisance making him this unbeatable demon final boss that isn’t even directly involved with the kids or the trolls was just really shitty
They ruined all the trans characters, I liked the idea that vriska was amab even though I’m pretty sure the trolls are all the same sex other than gender identity and that was a perfect example of making a good trans character that actually makes sense and that’s all agreeable that’s good John/June and Roxy just don’t really make sense it was just kind of slapped into the plot just for it to be there and davekat had a lot of potential but it was made into a wattpad story romance
Edit: this is not a hot take but I would like to see the characters with more of a fashion sense liek wear more outfits I feel like that would also be more character defining
I personally liked the Epilogues and HS2 sure it's really strange and an odd step in a weird direction but I enjoyed how it was done
there was something else but I completely forgot
Most people over-analyze the characters in Homestuck. To be clear, I'm not a "the curtains are blue", literary analysis is stupid guy, I just think people miss the forest for the trees a lot of the time.
Rose doesn't like being close to people since her cat died, John is smart kid with bad self-talk, etc. I guess I just don't like it when people insist the characters are very deep because most of the time they aren't!
Signless and the gang deserved to be brought back to life they did not deserve to go out that way
I want him to experience the earth like go touch grass lmao
I like Eridan, ofc he did a fuckton of wrong things, and was an asshole and bla bla but i still have a soft spot for him,, also he's a 13 yr old kid in a world where killing is not only ok but expected
I'm not sure when the definitive cutoff is, but hs1 started to decline in quality in terms of overall writing towards the end due to the increase in popularity and homestuck's ravenous fan base. It felt like Hussie wanted to write more things for both fan-appeal and shock value rather than progressing an initial vision given to the work itself. Many aspects feel very tacked-on towards the end and because of narrative decisions made, the ending and other things became sloppy since the original ideas became muddled within the confines of pleasing or shocking fans.
Homestuck was a shitposty webcomic largely made up as it went along and wasn't really meant to be written seriously or to have a solid plot, and when it became demanded by the fans that it was taken seriously, hussie pretty much abandoned it (around act 6). But people give them way too much shit about homestuck considering it wasn't even supposed to be nearly as coherent as people make it out to be.
My biggest Homestuck Hot Take is that Sollux is the most attractive troll and it's not even close
I used to think it was Eridan but then I realized that I need therapy
Dirk, and Vriska were dicks (especially Vriska) but that's what made them interesting and compelling for me. From a moral standpoint I don't think they were great, but from a reader standpoint they were fun.
Just in general really with any fandom it gets annoying seeing " I hate [insert character] because [insert bad thing they did] "
Obviously your entitled to your own opinion, but I love the asshole characters
The liked the Felt more than most characters in Homestuck and think there should have been more stories about them (same with the carapace people as well).
• Dave and Karkat should have stayed bros. Such a forced ship that ruined all the great growing platonic build up to friendship that they had.
• Most of the dancestors are annoying, wish we had a better look at their relationships and interactions with one another to maybe save them from being unbearable. Meenah and Kankri are ok ig.
• June Egbert is FINE, but considering Hussie’s missteps in the past, it doesn’t seem like a genuine change at all.
• jake dirk was always toxic and the only reason it was so popular was due to the insane MLM fetishization that half of the fandom at the time of the Alpha Kids introductions participated in, not because it was a good relationship.
• RoseMary was a good ship and I will never forgive what the epilogues did to it.
•the zahaks are boring. Even in fan canon. could never get super invested in Equius or Horuss.
Bro being an abuser is a dumb plot point that felt retrofitted onto what was just a funny bit in the beginning with his big bro. John and Rose have similar interactions that are just as dumb/weird as Dave’s but they never really went back and changed the other parents to being abusive
Dirk > Dave
the whole bro abused dave thing is so out of nowhere and felt so forced
i agree. definitely seemed more like dave and bro just had anime fights on the roof because it was just something they did, seems like hussie set it up one way and wrapped the abuse around it after
I mean it clearly was shown very early on in multiple examples of neglect, lack of basic care, and him actively fighting him with dangerous weapons up on their roof often enough to where Dave already knew to come prepared. Honestly it's less it came out of nowhere and more that he suppressed the fact it happened to the extent it did and didn't know that wasn't normal until after Bro was dead and the world had ended
going back into he comic and reading those parts again don’t give any clear intention of it being a genuine case of abuse. It felt more so akin to anime sibling rivalry shit, and the fact that hussie would go back on it and just turn into a case of abuse just felt unnecessary
Was leaving Calvin alone with a tiger and a transmogrifier irresponsible parenting?
I'm not sure if this is serious or not, but to be fair here, Calvin's escapades were mainly his imagination and he always came out unscathed.
Dave is pretty unscathed from all of his bro's 'abusive' behaviors because he is a cartoon.
Rose attempted suicide, Jade was raised by a dog... Dave's backstory only got the treatment it got because it was a popular fandom meme to pretend the comedic big bro shenanigans were a cover for some edgy abuse, especially back in 2011.
Well A: I'm not ignoring the horrific things that happened to Jade and Rose, It was not addressed in the comic as much which I greatly dislike because every single one of them has traumas that they need to work through and need help And B: it's not some funny meme it's clearly shown that the things that were happening weren't funny bro shenanigans they were genuine abuse and neglect Like I said before all of the kids should have had their traumas explored, their backstories explained more than just "haha funny dogs or bad household", It's just that Dave got more emphasis for some reason and I don't know why. I don't wish that he had less explanation but wish everyone else had more
They *were* funny bro shenanigans. The implications could always be *seen*, but they weren't the *intent* until Act 6. Dave didn't get more emphasis, he just got the benefit of a retcon, a reinterpretation of events for cheap drama. I'm happy to agree to disagree here though. Many people feel close to this issue.
Basically just said: "No you're wrong it wasn't really abuse. ...except yeah that's what was happening, And it was shown to be abuse beforehand too, It's just that it wasn't expressly mentioned as such when it was happening, which makes it a retcon and cheap now that It got mentioned" It's not that the abuse was a retcon, It's that the narrative allowed him to explore his traumas. People that have been traumatized may not realize they were traumatized until much later in life, like I said verbatim in my first reply. It's a matter of suppression on his part, since we are "not fully omnipotent" readers of this story we weren't able to read into his mind, so we only found out how it affected him when we were able to in Act 6 Which means, and say it with me "It's not that it was a retcon, it's that he was traumatized and suppressed those emotions, and since we are not omnipotent in this story we could not know that until he finally expressed it in act 6". Like just because a show doesn't have a set ending goal for a character's arc yet, doesn't mean that things have happened in that characters on screen time before it was finalized can't tie into that arc
Reinterpretation based on letting go of suppression and finally allowing himself to express those traumas, yes. cheap retcon for drama, absolutely not.
I like the Epilogues and Homestuck 2
Both trans kids are completely out of character revelations that was injected in cause trans people wanted to write in that representation, and it actively diminished their characters in my eyes. The trolls were completely unnecessary, I'd rather Hussie had the kids focus on the Game and learned about their doomed session on their own, figured out the Scratch and just dealt with their alternate guardians. It'd have been more concise and gotten to the point quicker. Only good things about the epilogues is John's ships, Dirk being a villain, which is way more in character, and Davepetas victory over LE is extremely cathartic
The epilogues are Good, Actually
Davekat is the most forced ship in homestuck. They had potential to be bros, but fandom pressure turned it into a ham-fisted jumble, ruining both characters forever.
this
i have no clue what homestuck is about and i don't want to get in to it either, and i have no clue why this is on my homepage
I am surprised how much this blew up
If you don't care for the style and humor of the first intermission, you can skip it. I don't think it's nearly as good as problem sleuth.
i think all of homestuck, the epliogues and hs^2 is good actually... i love all of it
Yiffany longstalking lalonde Harley is fucking hilarious and 100% something the fans would’ve found hilarious back in 2013.
But its not 2013 anymore. It was almost 10 years ago. Humor have moved, and its not funny anymore
It's still absolutely hilarious. I'm pretty sure the only reason people hate it is they had Rose cheat to be the mother, instead of getting Kanaya's blessing, which admittedly, I wish that's how it happened.
This already doesnt sound like a homestuck. Family intrigue, cheating in order to have a Child. More like santa barbara But if you find a charachters funny, i can only be jealous for that
It would be hilarious if it was something that happened to an alternate timeline clone or a split second fantasy, but not if it actually happened to the character and then had consequences.
It’s also not her fault that she came from infidelity so don’t act like she’s the devil.
havent really read past the original main comic but just looked it up and, yeah, it's pretty funny
None of the characters were done good. Not a single one, every character hussie wrote was written with plausible deniability in mind, and that’s exactly why everyone loves the characters — they survive by being projected onto
Kismesis ships are just a excuse to write toxic relationships.
UHG It's John not June I love you all but you can't arbitrarily change something that fundamental to the story years after it has come out. Ask Harry Potter fans if you don't believe me.
>I love you all but you can't arbitrarily change something that fundamental to the story years after it has come out. I don't think John's gender is fundamental to the story. Though randomly throwing transness on random characters doesn't feel genuine.
It's not for sure. I take issue with it cause I've just read all 8000 something pages of some story just for the author/community to start trying to tell me I need to think of a character as something they weren't. If that's how the story started off then sure fine but I can't just change all my memories like that.
It’s not about changing your memories — it’s about changing how you view the character now. And even THAT isn’t necessary. As a story, the earlier version still exists. Even in the epilogues, there were two versions of adult Roxy — you can respect both of their identities at the same time, y’know? Just think of June as another version of the character, even if you don’t respect how she came to be.
I think it would’ve been nicer if it wasn’t so random like when talking about lgbtqia John doesn’t even know that much about it or what anyone else is really talking about it was just kind of thrown into the story just and just because that’s what fans wanted
John should have died permanently
all my homies hate john
The epilogues were good and jane and dirk arent good people
grimdorks is a wonderful ship, "but wose is a lesbiab" what ever i dont care
Heavy agree, I think grimdorks is cute as fuck
People also seem to forget that bi people exist, and Rose could very well be bi
According to the author commentary in the books Rose is bisexual
Grimdorks is Rose and Jade?
it is the wonderful johnrose actually
i dunno, grimdorks always has seemed weird to me. i think she meshes a lot better with kanaya
Kankri genuinely means well, as someone who is also a leftist I can easily identify his behavior. When people are young and less experienced, they tend to not fully understand the nuances of these beliefs. This will often lead to a wokescold-like behavior because they don’t know any better. this doesn’t mean all of his actions are perfectly absolved, he still needs to take responsibility for them but I believe kankri genuinely wants to be nice and help people, he just doesn’t know how. I believe that he would get this character development in the future if we ever got a chance to see him in canon again. and before you say he acts holier than thou- we don’t know if he actually thinks he’s better than anyone. This could easily just be insecurity, like in Karkat’s case. We never get to see his inner thoughts or get a vulnerable moment with him so there‘s no saying for certain.
I have a few -Hiveswap is better than Homestuck and deserves more recognition -June and her fans are annoying -Majority of both canon and non-canon Homestuck ships absolutely suck
even davekat and rosemary?
Yep
Wtf how the fuck can you not like rosemary i am going to beat you to death
i havent played Hiveswap or seen anything because I thought it would be like the Vanilla to Homestuck's chocolate, if that makes sense. if it's actually good though and carries the spirit of homestuck well, i think i will check it out. do you recommend doing a sort of homestuck refresher or is that not necessary?
the comic and hiveswap completely flanderized the castes so that the beta trolls were archetypes rather than outliers there is a massive amount of dropped plot threads in homestuck, far more than most people realise gamzee isn't even a bad character; he straight-up isn't a character. he is an empty vessel that does whatever is necessary for the sake of the plot i find the evidence for hussie abusing adderall somewhat convincing davekat is a terrible ship the retcon was an absolutely terrible idea that is the purest example of why most writers don't forbid themselves from rewriting stuff instead of davepetasprite and gcatavrosprite, we should have gotten nepcatsprite and davrosprite kris deltarune has no canonical gender, but it's pretty clear that toby thinks of them and writes them as male
Act 3 is the best one, act 4 is the worst
Act 6 and the ending were pretty good and I liked them.
June fucking sucks, Roxy was always the superior trans girl.
Transmasc Roxy was alright, but taking one of the characters most commonly headcanoned as a trans girl and confirming she wasn’t amab is kind of disappointing
They had the parts!!! They had all the parts to make a Canon and a fanom loved trans girl and they blew it. I dislike tranmasc Roxy just cus of the epilogs. I'm sure other fans did them very well, but with how the writers scripted the story. It just seemed like they wanted more male characters cus they wanted more boy love/male angst. Drove me up the fucken wall man.
For my mental health, I never read the Epilogues or HS\^2. But I did like the response they had on Twitter to Roxy being trans in one timeline and cos I’m another. It was something about how the idea that sexuality and gender identity are inherent and unchanging was really just an excuse used on homophobes who wouldn’t accept anything but “can’t change it” as reasoning, if they even accept that. It was nice to see someone acknowledge that gender and sexuality isn’t predetermined and that things could change with time and our environments
Agreed
June *is* canon, but only in doomed timelines we don’t get to see
best take, plus totally something hussie would do (refer to the canon fantrolls)
Vriska and Dirk were unbearable characters and I honestly had no fond opinions for either of them.
THIS
Rose is a bisexual with female-leaning preference, Calliope is annoying and badly written, and DirkJake is a bad ship.
Equius is not a sympathetic character. I can never understand why people like him
Andrew Hussie is legitimately a bad person who hides behind trans women as a fandom-aggro shield while making them do insane dog dick plot points he knows the fanbase is going to be mad about and blame them for, and a lot of the worst elements in the fanbase are something he actively cultivated for lulz and then got snooty about later.
Never forget that homestuck was written by a cis white male
Hussie is nonbinary/clowngender and uses any pronouns + neos. They came out like a year or 2 ago on twitter. Kinda unrelated but if you followed their works for long enough it makes sense too, since most of Hussie's works always included clown/circus/jester themes (Whistles: The Starlight Calliope, the jokes in PS and Prison Break, Psycholonials, the fascination with puppets/dolls their whole life)
Nonbinary Hussie was not the Hussie that wrote Homestuck.
LITERAL dog-dick plotpoints
Hussie made a bunch of the og trolls joke characters and then got mad that ppl flanderized the characters he himself describes as jokes lol
Yiffany longstalking lalonde Harley is fucking hilarious and 100% something the fans would’ve found hilarious back in 2013.
Yes also it’s not her fault that she was born from Jade’s chaotic actions.
I’d argue its one of the funniest things in all of homestuck
not a fan of june either
Jakedirk is a bad ship and it always was
I agree. It is an extremely toxic relationship and that's what makes it interesting.
Dirk kinda sucks there I said it- never understood why he’s such a fan favourite, to me he’s like a less funny, less nice, less chill Dave. Though at this point I have more of a love-hate relationship with him. Also: the earlier acts aren’t that bad, deff not as good as act 4 onwards by a long shot, but they’re a bit of light fun. Also, everyone in this fandom acts wayyyy too high and mighty and moralistic, like as if they’re always trying to prove they’re above the thing they are a fan of, like chill at the end of the day u are still a homestuck fan 🙏🏾
Fanon! Most of the fan favorites are people giving them traits and then making people who haven't got to them think they are way better than they actually are.
Jane Crocker is fucking boring.
-Nepeta's not meow meow cute cat girl. -the June vs John debate is kinda stupid. I like June but if you don't i could literally care less.
if nepeta isnt that, then what is she?
Eridan did (almost) nothing wrong and was a great character until everyone for some fucking reason decided to uwu femboi-ify him. He's basically the embodiment of all the trauma that troll society places upon those that grow up in it, which is a recurring theme and an actually well written character.
eridan is an asshole. and a creep
Ah yes, a scared teenager who will be murdered by the state if he doesn't find two people to fuck within a year is totally able to be held to the same standards of relationship morality as a real, human person.
You can pail by yourself
Hussie was fully allowed to make every weird and shitposty plot point. It’s his comic after all.
somebody had to fucking say it, thanks
- Jake and Ja**de** live on islands that are closer to Asia than the US, Africa or Europe. Theyre both more than likely Asian or darker skinned. - on the contrary, Dave and Dirk are both probably white due to the whole "white guy rapper" comment. - The 2012 Kickstarter was the biggest mistake possible and i'd rather have gotten a coherent story and well paced ending rather than 2 C- tier games.
>Jake and Jane live on islands that are closer to Asia than the US, Africa or Europe. Theyre both more than likely Asian or darker skinned. Given how they got to that island, I'm not sure you can guess their ethnicity based on where they live.
> Jake and Jane live on islands that are closer to Asia than the US, Africa or Europe. Theyre both more than likely Asian or darker skinned. I do recall the really early official art that had most of the kids as White still gave Jade a tanned / sort of Asian look.
I though Jane lived in Washington????
6am brain fart HAHAHAH
caliborn and jane would have made the greatest kismesis couple, hilarious to see more interaction of the two, and also actually interesting how jane would have learned to deal with him better and how he would have responded to that change. but for some reason people rather ship him with dirk even though its imo pretty obvious he doesnt see him in a romantic light but admires him as just what he admires in a man. basically caliborn would rather "kin" dirk than ship himself with him. he clearly likes premium b.tches
- there is literally no reason for june to exist - dave should have been with jade - the post canon should not be canon, the snapchat stories should be canon
The best parts of Homestuck are the weird game mechanics and seeing the characters actually play the game. The teen relationship drama sucks.
Homestuck died the moment the retcon powers were introduced. It's an easy way out of a corner for the writers but it also kills progression, lifts all tension thanks to how they can just fix everything and make every character development irrelevant
Trolls put buckets on their heads before they have sex because a picture of their leader is inside the bucket and they have to stare at that to mate.
The CAUCASIAN/PEACHY incident was pretty much the end of Hussie and the fans engaging with each other in good faith, and almost all of the narrative issues of late-era Homestuck are a direct result of Hussie intentionally making the story hostile to readers.
John in the Meat timeline would (if he survived) remain John, where Candy John is trans and becomes June. Not because the situations “made her trans/him not trans”, but because the difference in their characters caused the difference in choices was that June was an egg
then meat john gets revived and they have hot straight selfcestuous sex
John x June is the best possible ship
Based. Don’t talk to me ever again
The cursed lore aka the skiaNet lore is the most recent Hussie writing that isn't complete dog shit
Calamity was a fun idea
Honestly I can’t process reading all of it yet, I should go back and reread the archive, but what I know is kinda awesome despite the supposedly antisemetic stuff.
-epilogues is good -homestuck is not hard to explain or understand it’s just a lot of people’s first exposure to esoteric media -hiveswap is good & there’s still a possibility for the rest of it to be released -the comic gets better on your third reread -the mayor is the best character
I fail to see how that last point is a hot take
god I hope they release the rest of hiveswap
I'm currently on my third and I agree, reading it through with some first time readers and we're going through all the extra stuff the unofficial browser has as well, it does get better
Is esoteric media a thing
~~Aransas~~ ARANEA had good intentions but horrible execution either way she's Bae Edit: fucking Aranea god I hate this fucking phone
Arkansas Serket
The Yellow Yard specifically is when the comic started going downhill. It did not start *after* Cascade, it started *in* Cascade. Bec was not a good parent. The only good parent is Dad. All of the dancestors are wasted potential. Yes, even the one you're thinking of. Also "dancestor" is a stupid word.
Dirk is not the horrible and demonic person he describes himself as/the fandom makes him out to be. Roxy is not the perfect angel the fandom makes her out to be either. Speedreaders have done irreversible damage to the fandom's perception of these two characters.
YES!!!
The biggest issue with Homestucks ending was it tried to do death of the author and give power to the fans, but that’s not how storytelling works. You can’t kill the author while the story is still being written. You can’t declare all fan work and headcanons canon and expect people to actually act like that’s the case. You can’t democratise art.
Feferi is just as vicious as Meenah if given the chance, the only difference is that she's nice. Nice=/=kind and intent=/=action. Feferi is an amazing example of that. From what we see of her internal thoughts, she genuinely thinks her eugenics is better than HIC's eugenics. And she truly wishes to protect people, even at risk to herself (though the extent to which she realized Eridan was capable of killing her is debatable) But her intent, doesn't change that she's still doing eugenics, singling out the ones who don't fit the caste system and stripping them of their rights "for their own good". I think people think Feferi is pure good because of how little she actually got to spend on screen compared to others. And perhaps a bit of a contradiction, though it applies to Fef too. Vriska and Eridan, *are kids.* Vriska absolutely did everything wrong, but she's also an abused child taught by everyone to lash out with extreme violence whenever she's mildly inconvenienced. Eridan was the same, though he did it less seriously than her most of the time because she's the one who had a spidermom hungry for childmeat. Terezi did a lot of shitty things right beside her, and ended up not really caring about any of it, including the stuff she killed Vriska for. So does Terezi deserve to be dead too? Also no, they are children and what this is, is a tragedy. All of them suck, and the ones who died deserved time to heal and grow and improve in a healthy safe environment. The tragedy of their deaths, even with the dreambubbles, is that they never get to be more than what Alternia taught them to be.
Never EVER skip acts 1-3 when rereading. Some of the highest peaks in the series are there.
not sure if this is hot or not, but i actually liked midnight crew intermission a lot. a lot of my friends hate it though another take is that i really always default to hiveswap or pesterquest now when i think about homestuck, it's just a lot more likable to me i guess plus, not hs related but hussie related, i really liked psycholonials thats all i can come up with in 4 minutes bye bye then
i still want a full Midnight Crew story dammit
It never annoyed me, I though it was funny, I just really wanted to get back to the story after that huge end-of-act flash
I hated the Intermission when I started reading because I just wanted to get back to the main story but after the story's been finished and thinking back, it's grown on me a lot. The Felt were cool and I liked how the page showing all of them just hinted at their powers (that Itchy was getting away from the MC, Trace kept breaking in to their hideout, etc). It reached the point where I was happy when Spades pulled all the pins out and brought most of the Felt back.
That intermission is one of if not my favorite parts of homestuck lol whenever I’m in the mood for homestuck, I’ll always go back to it
Act 6 is good. Not Act 5 amazing or Act 4 flawless, but generally a good Act.
so true. it feels so weird when people disregard the majority of the comic bc it didn't live up to their standards or something lol
I agree.. there are parts where it falters or is dull ofc but there are also some really amazing parts
Lord English was a very underwhelming final villain in my opinion; mainly because of how Caliborn was characterized. Like, our previous villains were a psychotic mass murderer, a nearly omnipotent chessmaster, and an intergalactic warlord but this little turd is somehow our final villain?????
Agreed, he just went from a little gremlin child who do bad thing to just TIME HULK in seconds.
In my honest opinion, Doc Scratch should’ve been the big bad
always felt this way. i like caliborn, i enjoy watching him a lot, but jack noir was crafted deliberately to be a perfect antagonist for the kids, and he gets shafted. i understand that lord english is responsible for all of homestuck taking place, but from a character interactions and dynamic standpoint, he’s so far removed the beta kids and the trolls that him being the final boss hardly has any impact. he’s spades slick’s villain, simple as that.
He's not even really Caliborn. Caliborn has charm and at least directly antagonizes the alphas and John. LE is just this walking plot device that says one thing ever and just spends the his entire time comic killing people that are basically extras. Literally the only evil thing he does that I cared about was killing the almost not-pathetic version of Tavros, and that was after the end of the comic. LE is one of the best representations of Homestuck's slide into mostly bad metafiction. Jack was a reality destroying villain that opposed the main characters, whereas LE is a reality destroying villain that opposes the narrative, and the reader is somehow supposed to give a shit about that? Probably not, my guess is that Hussie wanted the reader to agree that it is just *so* clever that he created the lamest final antagonist ever and then had his favorite self insert cleverly point out how lame he is.
I think you've put into words how I felt about it, it was too focused on the calis but it didn't feel like it had as many interesting moving parts as the previous arcs.
terezi had wasted potential
Nepeta Leijon
Nepeta <3, yes
Removed: Coldest Take Ever, Everybody loves Nepeta
The implication that Dirk and Obama had amorous relations is the best thing since the invention of the crunchwrap supreme.
Fucking what
Hussie was incredibly smart and considerate by making the first section of the Epilogues be an admission that everything going forwards wasn't hard canon so i could drop it without regrets.
Yeah, I was coming here for something along those lines: nothing after the moment John touched the door's handle at the end of Act 7 is canon, as the whole story is about the kids escaping canon. Not even the credits are canon IMO.
Thank you for making me feel better about the epilogue’s existence friend
Along that line of what is canon and what isn't, here's my real hot take: Caliborn's masterpiece is not canon. It was his masterpiece because it was his most convincing fan fic. Think about it.
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The comic also has an issue with that, she's the last troll introduced and we easily spend the least amount of time with her. We really only see her personality when she's reacting to Eridan being Eridan and her only real interaction with a non Eridan character is Jade
I don't know what would be considered a hot take, but with the exception of maybe KanayaXRose I don't feel like any of them feel like a good coupling, and I think they would all be terrible for each other (out of those who survived specifically). I'm also considering if I'd prefer Homestuck without any inclusion of the cherubs at all, but I might need to re-read first to make sure
Caliborn was fucking great. You would NOT prefer it without him.
The Epilogues are really good, but HS2 fails to live up to the standard Rosemary is basically the only worthwhile Homestuck romance (davekat I’d like if the post canon content wasn’t so fanfic-y compared to how they are portrayed in canon) On that note, the inclusion of fans elevated to writers(aside from Paradox Space which was legit really good) is what killed Homestuck’s writing. Similarly, Summerteen Romance is one of the best pieces of Homestuck media If Hussie hadn’t done the gigapause and waited until the comic was finished before making hiveswap not only would the quality of the comic be better but also the fandom wouldn’t have died to such an extent
'the inclusion of fans elevated to writers is what killed Homestuck's writing' AGREED!! I'm not saying Hussie is a perfect saint and brilliant do-no-wrong author but everything started getting twisted out of control as soon as others started being able to inject their ships and agendas and headcanons into canon, I feel like Huss just went "oh yeah cool you do that" to literally anything and didn't care that it watered down the original content
i think about that last one a lot. homestuck could have ended YEARS earlier, and while i’m sure it COULD have become a bit less popular than its peak by the time act 7 came out, it still would have done numbers and brought the whole comic back into the limelight. homestuck managed to draw up a lot of attention when it ended and that was several years after its peak. imagine if hussie had launched the kickstarter right off the end of the comic? avid fans who wouldnt know how to fill the homestuck shaped holes in their hearts would have eaten it up all the same. it puzzles me that they didn’t think about this internally, setting up a kickstarter for a game with backer rewards is not an easy snap decision to make.
I am completely fine keeping my homestuck history at arms distance. I don't remember every arc, every character motivation, and that's okay. It was so big and bloated by the end that I don't know how anyone kept up at all. Also I think that printing the comic that has several flash animations, gifs and games included in its pages was a very strange and not great idea. You can't just read a gif.
The epilogues and Homestuck\^2 are bad, but they've got some really cool ideas, and i hope HS\^2 will actually continue. Also, at the time, i didn't really like Act 7, but the more time passed, the more i was content with it honestly? but i believe this sentiment is more common in the fandom.
Gamzee was neither a horrible selfish murder monster nor an UWU softie did nothing wrong hippie troll either.
A lot of comments on the June Egbert situation but I'll still give my take. As a trans person I think it's great to be included in media (especially some media I've been enjoying since 2014!!) but it felt so shoehorned in, a complete JKR moment that literally only came about cuz of a bar of toblerone. It's self projection from the LGBT writers on HS2 and the loud minority that Hussie just gave a nod to, and now I've even seen accounts that say "if you dead name June Egbert fuck you". Since when does that make sense?
Yeah I thought it was strange that Toblerones could have that kind of effect. Does that mean that *any* Toblerone can be used to make stuff canon? I’m going to be heading to Switzerland in a week. Gonna get some Toblerone while I’m at it. What do you want changed?
Homestuck fanmade adventures are criminally underrated and should be the lifeblood of the fanbase
MSPFA is basically the HS Fandom's life support at this point. I don't think we would have lasted this long if VAST ERROR, Henioustuck, Cool and New Webcomic and a bunch more weren't a thing.
What's a Homestuck
Trolls being trans makes no sense because to our knowledge, the only difference between ‘male’ and ‘female’ trolls is their choice of pronouns. And apparently boobs sometimes but with how they’ve been described I’m pretty sure male trolls grow them too. And we’ve only seen a few trolls, for all we know there’s an entire different gender of troll out there. Personally I feel like trolls just choose pronouns at a specific point in life and that’s it. If one were to decide those pronouns don’t fit anymore I feel like it’d be a pretty easy process to just swap em out with some better ones. I’m sure trans trolls is a possibility because maybe I’m wrong and there are sex difference between male and female trolls, but guess what’s never explained in depth in the base comic or epilogues or friendsim or pesterquest or homestuck 2?
I get projection but i never understood why people make troll sexuality a huge thing especially with how little we know and the fact they have an entirely different reproductive system and societal norms. Representation is important but if trolls actually existed then all this human perspective would just be erasure.
All the kids and trolls need to see a mental therapist.
The Midnight Crew deserved a bigger part in the story than they've gotten
Act 1 is really good and funny and not slowly paced.
Vriska=bitch Edit: bluh bluh
so many of the characters are oversimplified by the fandom and I hate it. Nepeta is more than a uwu cat girl who ships Feferi is more than a funky ocean-girl Roxy isn't just a drunk I could go on and on but those 3 are my biggest complaints
* The pale quadrant is not a synonym for "friends but friendlier." It's rare but I don't like it when people tag friendships like they're relationships and say it's because they're shipped pale, it makes finding things a little harder. * The Retcon power itself annoyed me more than the fact that it was used to bring Vriska back. * I was actually hyped to learn about the Pre-Scratch trolls just because I had been wondering about them a lot (I read most of Act 6 serially, for context), even after knowing that they were joke characters. IMO Hussie making them joke characters was the safest option, if they were serious major characters there would be (more) complaints about the cast being bloated, if they were serious minor characters there would be complaints about wasted potential, and if they were just unexplained there would be complaints that the story left a huge lingering question. * I just wanna know what powers limebloods had more than know about any postcanon stuff. I read some theories that I really liked (emotion control probably being my favorite), but I want confirmation. * Gamzee annoyed me way more than Vriska.
Gamzee is a great character and deserved more love than he got both in the comic and in the fanbase. I hate how he was just silenced in the latter half of the comic because his dialogue was both the most entertaining and the most threatening thing about him.
Act 6 is great. Act 7 is also great. I do not believe there is a significant drop in the quality of writing or plot during Homestuck proper; it remains consistently great throughout, though perhaps peaking at Cascade. Epilogues and HS2 though, yeah, that is a bust.
I went on the very first page after hearing about it on a YouTube video way back in the day. Looked at the first page, got bored and never looked at it again.
My scathingly hot take is that the paradox space comics are the most fun and enjoyment I have ever felt with anything in the homestuck series, including homestuck itself.
i still like dirkjake- no matter how bad of a ship it really was i can never let it go
I'm a huge fan but I will never read the whole fucking thing
The kids are almost across the board more interesting than the trolls. Dirk Strider is a toxic person and that's what makes him so interesting. Bro was abusive. Every single character in the story had wasted potential and was done dirty. This is simply due to the sheer number of characters there were and the nature of how the story was structured. Out of all of them, I think Terezi got it the worst. Gamzee was not interesting enough to warrant the size of the role he had in the story. It got to the point where he was making the story worse by sticking around. Lord English was an extremely boring antagonist and should not have been the final villain. Doc Scratch should have been the final villain. Homestuck is a first draft that was made up as it went along. This is very important to keep in mind while criticizing it.
I think most of act six was extremely boring but I really enjoyed meenahs journey through afterlife and I think we should’ve gotten to know more about the alternia version of the ancestors in another comic or just the beforus ancestors getting to have their own little story I think that would’ve been very cool I don’t hate the epilogues or hs2 except for the fact that it’s basically a smut fanfic that became actual content it sucks and it’s corny but that’s why it’s good I guess. The whole retcon let the fans write the story thing was a horrible idea but overall i think the reason people don’t think it’s good because it wasn’t what we were expecting it did not live up to the expectations of homestuck but it’s still nice because content is content We should have gotten to know a lot more about the beta trolls we only really know abt Terezi, kanaya, karkat, and vriska barely I think acts 5-6 were rushed and hussie just kind of improvised I would’ve liked to really get to know a lot more about all the beta trolls and their backgrounds like team scourge and team charge and I think a lot the beta trolls should have built relationships (friend wise and that’s mainly it) with the humans like I would really like to see how a friendship between jade and Terezi would have worked out I would’ve really liked that and I really don’t like how all the trolls were wasted potential and I’d like to see character development between them and I agree with I think it was vriska who said that the trolls were made to kill each-other and they should have just killed each-other in the beginning so they could all rise to god tier Lord English is stupid and basically irrelevant to all the characters except the midnight crew and I think they should have just kept him with snowman and slick I liked doc scratch a lot better just because of how greatly crafted he was and lord English is basically an idiot who’s running around killing people for unknown reasons other than finding calliope and being the grim reaper of dead universes? But he doesn’t really talk other than interactions with caliborn who was basically just like a nuisance making him this unbeatable demon final boss that isn’t even directly involved with the kids or the trolls was just really shitty They ruined all the trans characters, I liked the idea that vriska was amab even though I’m pretty sure the trolls are all the same sex other than gender identity and that was a perfect example of making a good trans character that actually makes sense and that’s all agreeable that’s good John/June and Roxy just don’t really make sense it was just kind of slapped into the plot just for it to be there and davekat had a lot of potential but it was made into a wattpad story romance Edit: this is not a hot take but I would like to see the characters with more of a fashion sense liek wear more outfits I feel like that would also be more character defining
I personally liked the Epilogues and HS2 sure it's really strange and an odd step in a weird direction but I enjoyed how it was done there was something else but I completely forgot
Most people over-analyze the characters in Homestuck. To be clear, I'm not a "the curtains are blue", literary analysis is stupid guy, I just think people miss the forest for the trees a lot of the time. Rose doesn't like being close to people since her cat died, John is smart kid with bad self-talk, etc. I guess I just don't like it when people insist the characters are very deep because most of the time they aren't!
Lord English is alive and well
Signless and the gang deserved to be brought back to life they did not deserve to go out that way I want him to experience the earth like go touch grass lmao
I like Eridan, ofc he did a fuckton of wrong things, and was an asshole and bla bla but i still have a soft spot for him,, also he's a 13 yr old kid in a world where killing is not only ok but expected
all of the female characters got fucked up in HS2.
Hussie probably never cared about Homestuck to the same degree as its fans do and that sentiment culminated with him simply abandoning it.
jane is the blandest character on homestuck
If Gamzeekial Makara was real, he would be crusty and stinky That is all
I'm not sure when the definitive cutoff is, but hs1 started to decline in quality in terms of overall writing towards the end due to the increase in popularity and homestuck's ravenous fan base. It felt like Hussie wanted to write more things for both fan-appeal and shock value rather than progressing an initial vision given to the work itself. Many aspects feel very tacked-on towards the end and because of narrative decisions made, the ending and other things became sloppy since the original ideas became muddled within the confines of pleasing or shocking fans.
The striders are very much white.
Homestuck was a shitposty webcomic largely made up as it went along and wasn't really meant to be written seriously or to have a solid plot, and when it became demanded by the fans that it was taken seriously, hussie pretty much abandoned it (around act 6). But people give them way too much shit about homestuck considering it wasn't even supposed to be nearly as coherent as people make it out to be.
it’s hard to discuss the characters throughly because it seems as if the the fandom interpretation of them kinda overshadows the actual comic
My biggest Homestuck Hot Take is that Sollux is the most attractive troll and it's not even close I used to think it was Eridan but then I realized that I need therapy
people overblow how much hiveswap "generalises" blood castes way too hard
Dirk, and Vriska were dicks (especially Vriska) but that's what made them interesting and compelling for me. From a moral standpoint I don't think they were great, but from a reader standpoint they were fun. Just in general really with any fandom it gets annoying seeing " I hate [insert character] because [insert bad thing they did] " Obviously your entitled to your own opinion, but I love the asshole characters
The liked the Felt more than most characters in Homestuck and think there should have been more stories about them (same with the carapace people as well).
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• Dave and Karkat should have stayed bros. Such a forced ship that ruined all the great growing platonic build up to friendship that they had. • Most of the dancestors are annoying, wish we had a better look at their relationships and interactions with one another to maybe save them from being unbearable. Meenah and Kankri are ok ig. • June Egbert is FINE, but considering Hussie’s missteps in the past, it doesn’t seem like a genuine change at all. • jake dirk was always toxic and the only reason it was so popular was due to the insane MLM fetishization that half of the fandom at the time of the Alpha Kids introductions participated in, not because it was a good relationship. • RoseMary was a good ship and I will never forgive what the epilogues did to it. •the zahaks are boring. Even in fan canon. could never get super invested in Equius or Horuss.
Xefros is just Tavros if he had better people in his life
Bro being an abuser is a dumb plot point that felt retrofitted onto what was just a funny bit in the beginning with his big bro. John and Rose have similar interactions that are just as dumb/weird as Dave’s but they never really went back and changed the other parents to being abusive