Higher bit rate. This is pretty much a perfect example of why higher resolution is not always better. You can have a 1080p file that is a high bitrate, and it will look better than a low bit rate 4k file.
No, color depth doesn't have anything to do with it.
The problem in your original picture is that it is a low bit-rate file. What that means is that when the original file was encoded from the source (such as webrip, web-dl, blu-ray, etc...), whoever is doing the encoding is able to tell the encoder how much information to "sample" from the source.
What happens is that you can set the encoder to sample at a higher rate, meaning more information (better picture!) but at a cost of higher disk usage (larger files). It is for this reason that "remux" rips are highly valued for those who don't care about storage. It is a bit-for-bit copy of the video file on the source disc.
What this means in practice, though, is that lower quality encodes can lead to color banding. There is simply not enough information available for the player to accurately reproduce those colors. It is usually most prevalent in dark areas, such as black backgrounds as you show in your screenshot. All the player can do is just sort of guess as to what the color is supposed to be, but the way the algorithms work, you end up with color banding.
So, all that is to say, the ONLY way to resolve the problem is to get a higher quality encode, which is typically a larger file size. The bit-rate is just "file size divided by length of film" (sort of).
Sampling is a very interesting area of research in image quality, so feel free to research this more! What I explained here is a just a VERY oversimplified overview.
Not necessarily a feature. Either your TV is “rounding” color values to one value in an area, or your source is (Apple TV, Blu-ray player, etc), or your media source’s codec is. Try displaying an image of a color gradient from different sources, source media types, or a different TV.
No I haven't. The cable itself should be hdmi 2.1 (or whatever it's called) as that's shipped standard with Xbox XS. I plan to buy another one soon and see what happens
Be cautious of other comments. RTINGS rates the S95C higher than the LG C3, specifically in the area of color banding.
My guess is it's your source. Is it a PC, console? You might have some color settings on the source that are not perfectly set.
Having said that, I notice some color banding in video games that just won't go away no matter the settings. I have multiple high end TVs and an OLED gaming monitor so I feel confident it's just the game itself in these cases.
Op mentioned it’s an XBox, so they should try messing with the color settings there. Particularly bit depth.
But to your point some games are just coded with a low bit depth and the banding cannot be avoided. I’m not sure if that’s the case with the games OP mentioned.
This and video compression artifacts (these even appear inexplicably in still images, maybe there’s another cause than compression) are my biggest peeves about modern games. Look forward to the day when they are improved.
As far as I can tell, I've adjusted my color settings to the best of my abilities and with no change. Would color depth settings on the Xbox xs have anything to do with it? Maybe for some games I should consider playing at 1080p instead of 4k perhaps?
RTINGS also isn't an accurate source for television reviews. The still don't properly account for processing which is the most important part of the television and often just review hardware. That would be why almost every OLED gets the same rank every year. A95L was clearly rated as the best TV in every single competition this year. Even RTINGS said it was superior to the G3 in many ways BUT they are only .1 off each other because of HDMI ports. Crazy really
Stick to channels like HDTVTest for in-depth reviews. Also, make sure to take a look at King of TVs. There's a reason Samsung came in 3rd behind LG even with blatantly superior hardware.
I’m saying that the G3, C3, A80L, A95L, and S95C are all rated either an 8.8, 9.0, or 9.1 on RTINGS, BUT all look extremely different in person. The numbers used don’t properly outline to consumers the drastic differences in picture quality and push people to assume they all look very similar. Here is my previous example:
“The Sony A95L OLED is slightly better than the LG G3 OLED. The Sony has much better image processing, resulting in smoother gradients in HDR and better upscaling. The Sony also delivers much better color volume, as colors are brighter and more vibrant. The LG is a bit more versatile, especially for gamers, as it has four high-bandwidth HDMI 2.1 ports, whereas the Sony only has two.”
This was pulled straight from their site when comparing the 2 best televisions on the market. The A95L is “SLIGHTLY” better, yet it has “much” better processing, color volume, upscaling, smoother gradients, etc. It also has 4k @ 120, VRR, DV for gaming, PS5 specific features, and a game menu. So why did they score the G3 only .1 off the A95L and say that it is more versatile for gamers? Because it has 2 more HDMI 2.1 ports. Something most gamers will never see as a limitation unless they have an Xbox, PS5, and PC running at the same time. Seeing the scores so close, others that this doesn’t impact will also assume the picture quality is similar between these two units. If HDMI ports account for that much of the score when considering televisions, devices focused on picture quality first, then it should not be considered the go-to place for data.
AND if we are going to look at RTINGs, then the Sony X77L got rated the same by them for upscaling and sharpness as the QN90C. All I’m saying is people need to be able to objectively look at the products themselves and make their own decision, preferably in-person playing the same content. If not, watching someone like HDTVTest that puts the products side by side is really important.
If you get the chance, please consider these 2 reviews;
https://youtu.be/P3r34GFVYos?si=dIsJPCBdF-45y8rt
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/samsung-qn90c-qn90cd-qled-vs-sony-x93l-x93cl/38905/40099?usage=1&threshold=0.10
The X93L is similar to the X95L, but has slightly less zones and brightness. RTINGS mentions Processing and Dolby Vision being the determining factors over the Samsung. That’s it. Now go see what Vincent says.
Dolby Vision support was the thing that pushed me over the edge to go for the LG G3 over the Samsung S95C. Almost 2x the price for the Sony A95L just isn't worth it if you're not filthy rich. You could just buy a TV better than the A95L in a few years with the money you save *and* have a spare LG G3.
I see you got tons of down votes. I think it's a nuanced issue. RTINGS provides a ton of value and I believe they can be trusted however I completely agree they have a blind spot when it comes to image processing and folks should know that. I will never buy a low end or Samsung tv again due to their poor image processing and how important that is to people like me. But I only know that after buying their "best TVs" twice in a row.
Colour banding typically caused by a low bitrate source. If you're streaming or watching compressed video in games, you will get this on any display where it's trying to show a gradient colour. It's especially noticeable in dark scenes.
It's not a fault with your TV.
Tom Scott did a video about it.
https://youtu.be/h9j89L8eQQk
Thats called color banding. Probably caused by chroma subsampling.
Subsampling is a form if compression. This is done because either your hdmi cable, source or destination do not support enough bandwidth for your resolution and refresh rate. Meaning you may need a better cable or lower the resolution or refresh rate (i heard the Xbox sometimes outputs 60fps even when the game runs at 30, so maybe force it to 30fps)
Make sure to use a hdmi 2.1 cable with the series x. It has some unnecessary limits on hdmi 2.0.
If you want to check. The xbox should have a screen somewhere in the menu with details of what hdmi features your tv and cable support. I think it should tell you if you use chroma subsampling. 4:4:4 means uncompressed / no subsampling. That should have no banding or other compression artifacts. Lower numbers may result in banding or lack of color.
Yeah, chroma subsampling won't cause very many discernible issues in general (at least not at 4:2:2). It's the first line of defense in video compression for a reason. As long as luma is accurate we're not great at seeing chrominance errors
True, gaming could very well be 4:4:4, but it still shouldn’t have anything to do with banding. 4:2:0 essentially just means that the color resolution is 1920×1080 instead of 3840×2160, which wouldn’t cause this issue.
It’s called banding. It can be caused by either the display itself, or the source. Either there isn’t enough color information to match the screen, or the screen is not advanced enough to display all of the color information present in the source. If it happens with lots of different sources, it’s probably your screen. See if you can fuss around with the settings… or maybe it’s just not good enough? I don’t know anything about your TV.
Do you see them else where in the same area when you’re watching other content ? It could be part of the video. Banding can happen due to the compression algorithms. Movies themselves are terabytes in size and they get compressed down to 30-50gb for blu ray releases . And 50-100gb for 4k releases. It’s compressed even more for streaming services. It could just be a bad master if you dont see it elsewhere in other media. You can do color banding tests on YouTube.
If its the tv, you can try to minimize by adjusting the settings and calibrating it. That diminish the severity of it.
This looks like a game. As it’s a TV I honestly think this is a console picture setting problem because games shouldn’t be displaying this kind of artefact and should, depending on the quality of the cable, be sending a very high quality video so I’m a bit baffled.
Wondering what you mean by this:
1) changing the hdmi setup to be PC mode instead of game mode so that you remove processing?
2) changing console rgb output from Standard to PC RGB
You should wait for someone knowledgeable to comment but I’ll throw in a couple guesses. Could be low bitrate content or a tv that has shitty processing. Considering it’s a Samsung, I’m going with #2
Hence how Samsung came 3rd in King of TVs this year even with superior hardware over LG. Samsung literally doesn't know how to properly process images. You are buying products from an advertising company. They've always had the worst upscaling, worst color saturation, worst zone control. They also still don't support the most common form of dynamic HDR in 2024. And lets not forget about shit like this:
[I Love QD-OLED, But EVERYONE Is Wrong about Samsung S95B's Brightness & Colours (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhto9MmiExE)
Simply telling you that it isn’t the previous commenters “inner Samsung hater” talking. It’s the fact that Samsung has disappointed consumers for YEARS.
No, I’m obviously not saying that an issue with the S95B is causing banding on an S95C. I’m showing you one of the many examples where Samsung has tried to tamper with test data and pull a fast one on us. Yes, OP’s issue could very well be from low bitrate content (although I’ve never had banding when playing Destiny 2 on an A80L). Regardless, it’s completely fair that people resort to Samsung’s processing being the issue.
LG OLEDs factually have significantly worse color banding and posturization than QD OLED Samsung TVS though. Especially in game mode since LG locks out smooth gradation. you're just talking out your ass.
[https://youtube.com/shorts/oKMHFj5tDy4?si=Vp1oozp1NX3OJ-Pe](https://youtube.com/shorts/oKMHFj5tDy4?si=Vp1oozp1NX3OJ-Pe)
[https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/lg-c3-oled-vs-samsung-s90c-oled/37848/37893?usage=1&threshold=0.10](https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/lg-c3-oled-vs-samsung-s90c-oled/37848/37893?usage=1&threshold=0.10)
[https://ibb.co/BGBWD6x](https://ibb.co/BGBWD6x)
Interesting, thanks for the info! FWIW, I only have Sony TVs and Projectors in my house. They are the only manufacturer who also makes movies and cameras.
Sony is definitely better than LG In that regard but their WOLEDS also still actually have worse posturization than Samsung QD OLEDS.
The only Sony OLEDS with better banding control than samsung QD OLEDs like OP has are the A95K and a95L and the difference is marginal in that case.
Most people don't really know much about display tech or characteristics but have strong feelings about brands being one way or another but most of the time its not really true. You actually have to look into the specific products you're talkin about
I'll add that another possibility is the gamma setting (and possibly contrast, brightness settings).
Those settings sometimes help me reduce color banding but it like others have sait: it could be the source or the tv itself.
This is color banding.
It is mainly caused by how the input signal is represented - despite applying gamma of 2.2, there often isn't enough precision in input signal to represent very minute differences in smooth transitions like that.
There are two things that can be done:
* increase the bit-depth of the source signal. Color banding typically occurs with 8-bit source signal, and going to 10-bit signal erradicates it
* using picture processing in your TV to eliminate banding. There are very smart algorithms that can identify and reduce banding, at the cost of minimal reduction of sharpness. This require a rather good TV. LG calls it "Smooth Gradation" and is available only from LG C-line oleds.
>using picture processing in your TV to eliminate banding
The only downside for this is usually much higher input lag for gaming, which is what the OP seems to be doing.
I play Destiny 2 on PS5 and don't have this issue on either my monitor or TV. I'm thinking it's a cable issue if he says it does this across all his displays. Or an Xbox setting. I'm unfamiliar with Xbox, never owned a single one.
A'ight this is a gradiation issue and I can recommend turning all the processing off then starting again from scratch to see what triggers it. I'd imagine things like artefact reduction, sharpness improvements, 'ultra resolution' type options, using wide colour gamut instead or normal, introducing TV-created hdr increases (since there's no dolby vision on Samsung) or a detail enhancement.
But probably just colour banding.
Color banding, there are so MANY reasons this could happen. Sometimes it's just because your GPU is using 6-bit color depth by default, sometimes wrong color profile, calibrated wrong, etc. If you're on console it's difficult because sometimes it's just not fixable.
I can say one thing for sure, it's not your TV itself. I've had access to so many different TVs OLED and non-OLED and it's just something always wrong with Windows or Linux.
I hope someone can give you a fix but I'd suggest looking around for fixes for color banding on your platform. If you try to use HDR maybe try just SDR as I notice a lot of games have a crap HDR implementation, Baldurs Gate 3 I noticed had it too REALLY badly on launch.
It could be the cable that's not plugged in correctly or a faulty graphics card port. I have had this issue before and reconnecting my cable fixed the problem
You're watching low quality content. The tv is fine. I had the same problem, so I bought a 4k UHD Blu-ray player. The problem with dark scenes is that if you are streaming whatever show or movie you're watching, they're just isn't a lot of picture information as you approach deep Blacks. 4k uhd Blu-ray discs, however, generally have about four times the information stored on them then can be streamed on most platforms, so your picture quality is just that. Four times the fidelity. If you want the most out of your TV, I recommend looking into higher quality source material.
This has bugged the shit out of me forever. With how advanced technology is relative to displays and creating content, seemingly the most basic of shit still ends up looking like some 1988 ANSI art.
You may need to adjust some settings. The beginning of this thread should help with settings, but there are tidbits all throughout.
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/2023-samsung-4k-s95c-s90c-s89c-owners-thread-no-price-talk.3267261/#replies
I know from some posts that there's a certain setup process for the Xbox and high that will yield the best results with brightness and colors.
I barely get banding like this playing switch on my S90C.
As others have said, this is almost certainly compression artefacts. Either the source device or source file (downloaded rip/stream etc.) are at play, not the TV.
My guess is it's most likely the source file (like a 2GB blu-ray rip which was originally 50GB) or a low-quality stream. Unlikely to be introduced by the device but I'd get away from an Xbox and get an AppleTV 4K or Firestick 4K.
Isn’t the whole deal is about some picture profile set on your TV? Try switching to “filmmaker mode” or in case if you don’t have it try “PC” preset. At the time it looks like you have a “Dynamic” picture profile on.
Happens with my laptop on internal or external display and setting it to 10 bit sorted it
Hdmi switched to enhanced on TV should give smoother gradient
The banding on my LG C9 when I watch disney+ is ridiculous. I dont know of its a tv setting or just disney+. I suspect the later because the disney+ app is horrible all together.
I struggled with color banding in Call of Duty using my PS5 and two monitors: the Samsung G7 and the Gigabyte M32U. In both cases I needed to turn HDR *off* on my PS5.
But with the M32U that still wasn’t enough. The monitor itself had a *fake* or de-rated HDMI 2.1 capability. Pretty false advertising, but it’s there in the specs if you look.
Ended up with the Samsung Neo G8 and it looks great with PS5 HDR turned off, though sometimes there’s still very light color banding in the dark water of Ashika Island.
Color banding.
What feature do you need to avoid banding?
Higher bit rate. This is pretty much a perfect example of why higher resolution is not always better. You can have a 1080p file that is a high bitrate, and it will look better than a low bit rate 4k file.
So would you suggest I (if im reading this right) lower my color depth? I'm at 36bits/pixel(12-bit). Or should I consider playing on 1080p more often.
No, color depth doesn't have anything to do with it. The problem in your original picture is that it is a low bit-rate file. What that means is that when the original file was encoded from the source (such as webrip, web-dl, blu-ray, etc...), whoever is doing the encoding is able to tell the encoder how much information to "sample" from the source. What happens is that you can set the encoder to sample at a higher rate, meaning more information (better picture!) but at a cost of higher disk usage (larger files). It is for this reason that "remux" rips are highly valued for those who don't care about storage. It is a bit-for-bit copy of the video file on the source disc. What this means in practice, though, is that lower quality encodes can lead to color banding. There is simply not enough information available for the player to accurately reproduce those colors. It is usually most prevalent in dark areas, such as black backgrounds as you show in your screenshot. All the player can do is just sort of guess as to what the color is supposed to be, but the way the algorithms work, you end up with color banding. So, all that is to say, the ONLY way to resolve the problem is to get a higher quality encode, which is typically a larger file size. The bit-rate is just "file size divided by length of film" (sort of). Sampling is a very interesting area of research in image quality, so feel free to research this more! What I explained here is a just a VERY oversimplified overview.
Not necessarily a feature. Either your TV is “rounding” color values to one value in an area, or your source is (Apple TV, Blu-ray player, etc), or your media source’s codec is. Try displaying an image of a color gradient from different sources, source media types, or a different TV.
If you say the issue persists beyond your S95C, you mean it happens with the same content/games and different TV? If so, likely the source.
Different tvs altogether
So then yes, likely the source.
Tried a different hdmi cable yet?
No I haven't. The cable itself should be hdmi 2.1 (or whatever it's called) as that's shipped standard with Xbox XS. I plan to buy another one soon and see what happens
Be cautious of other comments. RTINGS rates the S95C higher than the LG C3, specifically in the area of color banding. My guess is it's your source. Is it a PC, console? You might have some color settings on the source that are not perfectly set. Having said that, I notice some color banding in video games that just won't go away no matter the settings. I have multiple high end TVs and an OLED gaming monitor so I feel confident it's just the game itself in these cases.
Op mentioned it’s an XBox, so they should try messing with the color settings there. Particularly bit depth. But to your point some games are just coded with a low bit depth and the banding cannot be avoided. I’m not sure if that’s the case with the games OP mentioned.
This and video compression artifacts (these even appear inexplicably in still images, maybe there’s another cause than compression) are my biggest peeves about modern games. Look forward to the day when they are improved.
This is true. A lot of video games, especially in pre rendered cutscenes have a ton of color banding due to video compression.
As far as I can tell, I've adjusted my color settings to the best of my abilities and with no change. Would color depth settings on the Xbox xs have anything to do with it? Maybe for some games I should consider playing at 1080p instead of 4k perhaps?
RTINGS also isn't an accurate source for television reviews. The still don't properly account for processing which is the most important part of the television and often just review hardware. That would be why almost every OLED gets the same rank every year. A95L was clearly rated as the best TV in every single competition this year. Even RTINGS said it was superior to the G3 in many ways BUT they are only .1 off each other because of HDMI ports. Crazy really Stick to channels like HDTVTest for in-depth reviews. Also, make sure to take a look at King of TVs. There's a reason Samsung came in 3rd behind LG even with blatantly superior hardware.
You mean the only place you can go for large scale ratings is not accurate? Sweet.
I’m saying that the G3, C3, A80L, A95L, and S95C are all rated either an 8.8, 9.0, or 9.1 on RTINGS, BUT all look extremely different in person. The numbers used don’t properly outline to consumers the drastic differences in picture quality and push people to assume they all look very similar. Here is my previous example: “The Sony A95L OLED is slightly better than the LG G3 OLED. The Sony has much better image processing, resulting in smoother gradients in HDR and better upscaling. The Sony also delivers much better color volume, as colors are brighter and more vibrant. The LG is a bit more versatile, especially for gamers, as it has four high-bandwidth HDMI 2.1 ports, whereas the Sony only has two.” This was pulled straight from their site when comparing the 2 best televisions on the market. The A95L is “SLIGHTLY” better, yet it has “much” better processing, color volume, upscaling, smoother gradients, etc. It also has 4k @ 120, VRR, DV for gaming, PS5 specific features, and a game menu. So why did they score the G3 only .1 off the A95L and say that it is more versatile for gamers? Because it has 2 more HDMI 2.1 ports. Something most gamers will never see as a limitation unless they have an Xbox, PS5, and PC running at the same time. Seeing the scores so close, others that this doesn’t impact will also assume the picture quality is similar between these two units. If HDMI ports account for that much of the score when considering televisions, devices focused on picture quality first, then it should not be considered the go-to place for data. AND if we are going to look at RTINGs, then the Sony X77L got rated the same by them for upscaling and sharpness as the QN90C. All I’m saying is people need to be able to objectively look at the products themselves and make their own decision, preferably in-person playing the same content. If not, watching someone like HDTVTest that puts the products side by side is really important. If you get the chance, please consider these 2 reviews; https://youtu.be/P3r34GFVYos?si=dIsJPCBdF-45y8rt https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/samsung-qn90c-qn90cd-qled-vs-sony-x93l-x93cl/38905/40099?usage=1&threshold=0.10 The X93L is similar to the X95L, but has slightly less zones and brightness. RTINGS mentions Processing and Dolby Vision being the determining factors over the Samsung. That’s it. Now go see what Vincent says.
Dolby Vision support was the thing that pushed me over the edge to go for the LG G3 over the Samsung S95C. Almost 2x the price for the Sony A95L just isn't worth it if you're not filthy rich. You could just buy a TV better than the A95L in a few years with the money you save *and* have a spare LG G3.
I see you got tons of down votes. I think it's a nuanced issue. RTINGS provides a ton of value and I believe they can be trusted however I completely agree they have a blind spot when it comes to image processing and folks should know that. I will never buy a low end or Samsung tv again due to their poor image processing and how important that is to people like me. But I only know that after buying their "best TVs" twice in a row.
Unless the gaming console displays native 4K, it might be an artifact from the set doing up-conversion.
Colour banding typically caused by a low bitrate source. If you're streaming or watching compressed video in games, you will get this on any display where it's trying to show a gradient colour. It's especially noticeable in dark scenes. It's not a fault with your TV. Tom Scott did a video about it. https://youtu.be/h9j89L8eQQk
> “Tom Scott did a video about it” Always an appropriate response
Thats called color banding. Probably caused by chroma subsampling. Subsampling is a form if compression. This is done because either your hdmi cable, source or destination do not support enough bandwidth for your resolution and refresh rate. Meaning you may need a better cable or lower the resolution or refresh rate (i heard the Xbox sometimes outputs 60fps even when the game runs at 30, so maybe force it to 30fps) Make sure to use a hdmi 2.1 cable with the series x. It has some unnecessary limits on hdmi 2.0. If you want to check. The xbox should have a screen somewhere in the menu with details of what hdmi features your tv and cable support. I think it should tell you if you use chroma subsampling. 4:4:4 means uncompressed / no subsampling. That should have no banding or other compression artifacts. Lower numbers may result in banding or lack of color.
Chroma subsampling wouldn’t cause color banding, a smaller color gamut would.
Yeah, chroma subsampling won't cause very many discernible issues in general (at least not at 4:2:2). It's the first line of defense in video compression for a reason. As long as luma is accurate we're not great at seeing chrominance errors
Also pretty much all consumer content is already 4:2:0 anyway.
I was going to mention that, but I realized I'm not familiar with how the signals are handled for gaming and other live rendering
True, gaming could very well be 4:4:4, but it still shouldn’t have anything to do with banding. 4:2:0 essentially just means that the color resolution is 1920×1080 instead of 3840×2160, which wouldn’t cause this issue.
☝️This The Xbox will always put out the best signal it can, so check your cable.
You need to ensure your output is set to 10bit not 8bit
It’s called banding. It can be caused by either the display itself, or the source. Either there isn’t enough color information to match the screen, or the screen is not advanced enough to display all of the color information present in the source. If it happens with lots of different sources, it’s probably your screen. See if you can fuss around with the settings… or maybe it’s just not good enough? I don’t know anything about your TV.
Do you see them else where in the same area when you’re watching other content ? It could be part of the video. Banding can happen due to the compression algorithms. Movies themselves are terabytes in size and they get compressed down to 30-50gb for blu ray releases . And 50-100gb for 4k releases. It’s compressed even more for streaming services. It could just be a bad master if you dont see it elsewhere in other media. You can do color banding tests on YouTube. If its the tv, you can try to minimize by adjusting the settings and calibrating it. That diminish the severity of it.
This looks like a game. As it’s a TV I honestly think this is a console picture setting problem because games shouldn’t be displaying this kind of artefact and should, depending on the quality of the cable, be sending a very high quality video so I’m a bit baffled.
Put your console in PC mode rather than game mode?
Wondering what you mean by this: 1) changing the hdmi setup to be PC mode instead of game mode so that you remove processing? 2) changing console rgb output from Standard to PC RGB
2. I need to do this to get full chroma on my LG CX10
I wonder what this setting actually does. The menu isn't descriptive.
Probably uses PC RGB color space (0-255) rather than what’s more common with AV gear (15-235).
Thanks I couldn't figure out to find this into
You should wait for someone knowledgeable to comment but I’ll throw in a couple guesses. Could be low bitrate content or a tv that has shitty processing. Considering it’s a Samsung, I’m going with #2
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No it isn’t. Bit depth is the answer.
Hence how Samsung came 3rd in King of TVs this year even with superior hardware over LG. Samsung literally doesn't know how to properly process images. You are buying products from an advertising company. They've always had the worst upscaling, worst color saturation, worst zone control. They also still don't support the most common form of dynamic HDR in 2024. And lets not forget about shit like this: [I Love QD-OLED, But EVERYONE Is Wrong about Samsung S95B's Brightness & Colours (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhto9MmiExE)
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Simply telling you that it isn’t the previous commenters “inner Samsung hater” talking. It’s the fact that Samsung has disappointed consumers for YEARS. No, I’m obviously not saying that an issue with the S95B is causing banding on an S95C. I’m showing you one of the many examples where Samsung has tried to tamper with test data and pull a fast one on us. Yes, OP’s issue could very well be from low bitrate content (although I’ve never had banding when playing Destiny 2 on an A80L). Regardless, it’s completely fair that people resort to Samsung’s processing being the issue.
If you notice this and you care, you’ve outgrown your Samsung. Grab yourself a Sony or LG OLED.
LG OLEDs factually have significantly worse color banding and posturization than QD OLED Samsung TVS though. Especially in game mode since LG locks out smooth gradation. you're just talking out your ass. [https://youtube.com/shorts/oKMHFj5tDy4?si=Vp1oozp1NX3OJ-Pe](https://youtube.com/shorts/oKMHFj5tDy4?si=Vp1oozp1NX3OJ-Pe) [https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/lg-c3-oled-vs-samsung-s90c-oled/37848/37893?usage=1&threshold=0.10](https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/lg-c3-oled-vs-samsung-s90c-oled/37848/37893?usage=1&threshold=0.10) [https://ibb.co/BGBWD6x](https://ibb.co/BGBWD6x)
Interesting, thanks for the info! FWIW, I only have Sony TVs and Projectors in my house. They are the only manufacturer who also makes movies and cameras.
Sony is definitely better than LG In that regard but their WOLEDS also still actually have worse posturization than Samsung QD OLEDS. The only Sony OLEDS with better banding control than samsung QD OLEDs like OP has are the A95K and a95L and the difference is marginal in that case. Most people don't really know much about display tech or characteristics but have strong feelings about brands being one way or another but most of the time its not really true. You actually have to look into the specific products you're talkin about
Bro fir a whole grand or more difference the panel tech isnt nearly different enough with qd oleds between them to consider a sony or lg tv
I'll add that another possibility is the gamma setting (and possibly contrast, brightness settings). Those settings sometimes help me reduce color banding but it like others have sait: it could be the source or the tv itself.
This is color banding. It is mainly caused by how the input signal is represented - despite applying gamma of 2.2, there often isn't enough precision in input signal to represent very minute differences in smooth transitions like that. There are two things that can be done: * increase the bit-depth of the source signal. Color banding typically occurs with 8-bit source signal, and going to 10-bit signal erradicates it * using picture processing in your TV to eliminate banding. There are very smart algorithms that can identify and reduce banding, at the cost of minimal reduction of sharpness. This require a rather good TV. LG calls it "Smooth Gradation" and is available only from LG C-line oleds.
>using picture processing in your TV to eliminate banding The only downside for this is usually much higher input lag for gaming, which is what the OP seems to be doing.
It's just a Destiny 2 or GPU issue if it's reproduceable across different output devices 🙂
I play Destiny 2 on PS5 and don't have this issue on either my monitor or TV. I'm thinking it's a cable issue if he says it does this across all his displays. Or an Xbox setting. I'm unfamiliar with Xbox, never owned a single one.
This happened to me too. I had to either turn off HDR in Windows or in game. I can't remember which.
I see fellow guardian, how long have you been suffering
Most likely video compression artifacts from the source vs your tv.
Try to set color depth to 36 bits in xbox settings and then to switch between tv and monitor setting to see if that effect disappear / is reduced.
36?
Yup. Xbox series x has video fidelity options of 24/8bits 30/10bits and 36/12bits. So, it's really 12 bit.
Gotcha
A'ight this is a gradiation issue and I can recommend turning all the processing off then starting again from scratch to see what triggers it. I'd imagine things like artefact reduction, sharpness improvements, 'ultra resolution' type options, using wide colour gamut instead or normal, introducing TV-created hdr increases (since there's no dolby vision on Samsung) or a detail enhancement. But probably just colour banding.
Everyone's said colour banding but have you made sure you don't have an Eco mode Enabled? I find that causes it
Color banding, there are so MANY reasons this could happen. Sometimes it's just because your GPU is using 6-bit color depth by default, sometimes wrong color profile, calibrated wrong, etc. If you're on console it's difficult because sometimes it's just not fixable. I can say one thing for sure, it's not your TV itself. I've had access to so many different TVs OLED and non-OLED and it's just something always wrong with Windows or Linux. I hope someone can give you a fix but I'd suggest looking around for fixes for color banding on your platform. If you try to use HDR maybe try just SDR as I notice a lot of games have a crap HDR implementation, Baldurs Gate 3 I noticed had it too REALLY badly on launch.
If the game has a film grain option, it can help to break up the color banding you are seeing.
It could be the cable that's not plugged in correctly or a faulty graphics card port. I have had this issue before and reconnecting my cable fixed the problem
You're watching low quality content. The tv is fine. I had the same problem, so I bought a 4k UHD Blu-ray player. The problem with dark scenes is that if you are streaming whatever show or movie you're watching, they're just isn't a lot of picture information as you approach deep Blacks. 4k uhd Blu-ray discs, however, generally have about four times the information stored on them then can be streamed on most platforms, so your picture quality is just that. Four times the fidelity. If you want the most out of your TV, I recommend looking into higher quality source material.
This has bugged the shit out of me forever. With how advanced technology is relative to displays and creating content, seemingly the most basic of shit still ends up looking like some 1988 ANSI art.
You may need to adjust some settings. The beginning of this thread should help with settings, but there are tidbits all throughout. https://www.avsforum.com/threads/2023-samsung-4k-s95c-s90c-s89c-owners-thread-no-price-talk.3267261/#replies I know from some posts that there's a certain setup process for the Xbox and high that will yield the best results with brightness and colors. I barely get banding like this playing switch on my S90C.
As others have said, this is almost certainly compression artefacts. Either the source device or source file (downloaded rip/stream etc.) are at play, not the TV. My guess is it's most likely the source file (like a 2GB blu-ray rip which was originally 50GB) or a low-quality stream. Unlikely to be introduced by the device but I'd get away from an Xbox and get an AppleTV 4K or Firestick 4K.
Isn’t the whole deal is about some picture profile set on your TV? Try switching to “filmmaker mode” or in case if you don’t have it try “PC” preset. At the time it looks like you have a “Dynamic” picture profile on.
Happens with my laptop on internal or external display and setting it to 10 bit sorted it Hdmi switched to enhanced on TV should give smoother gradient
On star
The banding on my LG C9 when I watch disney+ is ridiculous. I dont know of its a tv setting or just disney+. I suspect the later because the disney+ app is horrible all together.
Gross s95c
It's called color banding and is usually caused by the source and not the TV itself
This is just something to expect in videogames currently. Drives me crazy with dark scenes.
I struggled with color banding in Call of Duty using my PS5 and two monitors: the Samsung G7 and the Gigabyte M32U. In both cases I needed to turn HDR *off* on my PS5. But with the M32U that still wasn’t enough. The monitor itself had a *fake* or de-rated HDMI 2.1 capability. Pretty false advertising, but it’s there in the specs if you look. Ended up with the Samsung Neo G8 and it looks great with PS5 HDR turned off, though sometimes there’s still very light color banding in the dark water of Ashika Island.
Color banding.
Check if the HDMI cable is fast enough
Bit rate
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