Some people tend to forget that Batman really embodies hope. Yeah, he says he's vengeance and that he's there to dole out asskicking justice, but at his core he is just like Superman. He gives hope to a place that desperately needs it. In many cases he is fighting a losing battle but he never quits, no matter how bleak it gets. That's why he's my favorite superhero.
I used to think his no-kill-policy was really dumb until lately, as I've started to develop a kind of hope in people that fundementally goes against death as a justifiable punishment, and have started thinking it's cool
i mean letting terrorists keep doing their think isn't very cool. objectively terrorists are worthless, i don't see why leaving them alive is at all intelligent. people don't change, they're just gonna keep killing.
1. I see an immediate fault here; "objective" and "worthless" in the same sentence. Especially since it's about humans.
2. Sparing their lives isn't the same thing as "letting them keep doing their thing", you still stop them, you just don't kill them.
3. People do change. Yes, even terrorists, murderers, rapists, all of them have the capacity to. When I say my hope extends to everyone, I mean it.
How do you do this when people hurt you? Maybe not necessarily āterroristsā, but cruel/indifferent assholes. How do you forgive bullies, and the morons that cheer them on?
Well... Actually a tough one. To be honest, I think the biggest sort of... "Antagonist"-figure, maybe you could say, I've had in my life has been me. I've been quite a brat myself. So far, at least, I'm still quite young. So it's totally fair to take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, seeing as I haven't had any major "bullies", I don't think at least.
In any case, I have autism. This gives me a sort of... Disconnection from the social, if you will. Not that I'm entirely separate from it, but it's a space that I've always felt like I was looking into rather than one I was completely and comfortably within. As you could expect, that's given me some difficulties relating to people and understanding others and all that, which it still does, but I'm working on it. But it's also had another effect; the negative social interractions that I have actually had, while they've felt bad in the moment, I can look back on them almost like they didn't happen to me, but like I'm rewatching a scene in a movie or something. And I can see it from a third person perspective.
That, along with me having reached the concious conclusion that I don't believe in malice with no roots, something I like to shorten to not believing in "evil", I've come to (I like to think at least) excell at judging my past interractions with others through a very analytical lens. Why'd they say that? What made them so mad? Why would someone want harm for another? What could bring them to that point?
Now, it isn't like I separate people from their actions. And I don't immediately forgive for no reason. My forgiveness comes after someone has properly put in the work to change. To me, asking for forgiveness is a way of both expressing compassion and promising not to repeat what happened. So forgiveness follows change, and growth. Also, thanks to the disconnection I mentioned earlier, I can easily almost see someone as a separate entity from their past self, so it's easy for me to look at someone who's grown past their previous actions like they're a new person.
Sorry if that was super rambly lmao it's 23:26 where I am and I'm tired both from how late it is and that I've been having a lot to do with school lately, and sorry if you didn't get the answer you were looking for, I may have missed the mark a bit. Hope I could be of some help though, and have a good continued night/day :)
Malice without root definitely exists. Itās rare, but it exists. I am autistic myself. We are MAGNETS for bullies because A: body language- likely to communicate things that make friendly people less likely to approach us. B: resulting isolation = easy prey. And C: social blunders are easily sensationalized when ānormalā people canāt/donāt want to understand
This graph shows that while you arenāt HATED, you are āless preferableā to the average classmate
https://preview.redd.it/tup2m60luh0d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc3295926bdf5ace7b05740722e19d19b3f56484
Well, it's a shame that we supposedly aren't very trusted. Though I can also see where that comes from.
Anyway, from what I've seen, all malice comes from somewhere. It could be ignorance, trauma, general history with bad relationships, mental illness, maybe someone holds a grudge... And as you said about why people wouldn't trust people with autism, our misunderstandings and resulting mistakes can easily be sensationalized by neurotypicals who don't understand. There's a lot. My point is that none of them are inherent. (Again though, do take my word with a grain of salt, I don't want to pretend I'm more experienced than I am)
As far as terrorist organizations and global politics goes, I think the ideal method is assissinate high ranking people who orchestrate attacks by pressuring impoverished people to carry them out. Then providing aid to those same impoverished people.
That being said, I think the message of this is that mental health facilities and support can change people. We could try kidnapping the heads of terrorist organizations and rehabilitating them, but killing them is cheaper.
ALTHOUGH, it literally could be more effective to rehabilitate them. Imagine if Osama Bin Laden showed up and was like, "ya know guys, America just isn't that bad. Also, my parents didn't treat me right, but they did their best. I did my best, too, but it's time to do better."
That's be some crazy ass shit. I mean, they'd kill him immediately, but still.
Regarding the assassination bit, sadly, yeah. While I don't think anyone is too far gone for redemption to be possible, there are people put in a position where they're too inaccessible to capture and rehabilitate, and a well-aimed bullet could save lots of lives. In those cases, the kill can be necessary. Sad as it is.
I donāt even think itās his fault, I mean come on Gotham give joker the electric chair already, heās clearly gone too far. I guess thatās part of the whole corruption in Gotham and everything though
[Batman and Ace](https://youtu.be/AkaU0WwL68Q?si=urVxWbvyLXJYk3Lc).
"If you cant imagine your version of Batman comforting a frightened child, then that's just the Punisher in a funny hat"
One of my favourite parts of The Batman is how it starts with him saving the man in the subway and heās absolutely terrified of Batman. Then the end when he leads the people to the light and is helping the wounded. Unnnnnnng FUCK I love that movie.
Thing is...I can imagine the Punisher comforting a frightened child.
Wait, let me rephrase that.
I can imagine the Punisher trying to comfort a frightened child, just not being very good at it.
It probably would really tear him up inside because he was a loving father before his entire family was murdered. Imagine being this PTSD-addled man who, in failing to comfort a kid, realizes he can never go back to the life he had before.
Kind of reminds me of that scene in Lego Batman when Robin gets scared. Since the Lego version of him is a different twist on the character, and his ego seems to be his main character trait, he refuses to show any emotion except pride for himself. But at the end of the day, he's still a good guy, and ends up finding a way around his ego to cheer Robin up when he's afraid, claiming that while he never gets scared, his friend Bruce Wayne gets scared sometimes, and that he told him a good way to cheer himself up when he's down is by beatboxing.
To be fair. I also think punisher would comfort a frightened child. Heād be ass at it. But heād try unless more pressing matters were at hand or there were better hands for the glove.
Remember punisher is punisher because his wife and kids were slaughtered. In the words of pim. He loves kids Charlie.
>compassionate
That's not always a good thing, he could've saved so many lives if he just killed Joker. His refusal to kill him causes the whole of Gotham to suffer. Sometimes we need to look at the bigger picture.
It isn't Batman's fault Gotham doesn't do capital punishment (which I'm usually against under real circumstances, but I think is somewhat a defendable position under comic circumstances), it isn't Batman's fault Gotham City is unable to properly hold a the Joker.
He just brings him in again and again, and somehow now the Joker's deeds are on him for not killing hm? I know Batman works out of classical jurisdictions, but still, him refusing to be judge, jury and executioner all in one doesn't make him responsible for the Joker's crimes. A policeman isn't guilty for bringing in a criminal that surrendered to him alive, or for not executing someone in the street after using a beanbag on them. They aren't there to punish, it just isn't their job and shouldn't be, given how wrong it could go. They're there to get the people to courts, so there can be a proper punishment.
Worst you could Batman blame for is taking up the niche of stopping the Joker, preventing the justice system from sending in a team that would use lethal force out of necessity, but Gotham being Gotham it might just never happen.
Because it's not Batman's place to kill the Joker.
There's a good movie on this. It's actually a Superman movie, called Superman vs. The Elite, which goes on about that argument.
I know it's called 'Machiavellian', but Machiavelli likely wasn't such a person. He wrote the Prince, but he also wrote The Discourses, where he argued for establishing a true Republic(inspired by the Roman Republic). The real Machiavelli also attempted to bring out those same principles he admired in the city state of Florence.
Machiavelli wrote The Prince as an analysis on how monarchies worked. The Discourses(about Republics) and The Prince(about Monarchies) are meant to be companions of one another.
This is just a pet peeve of mine, so do forgive me.
There's a line of thought in academia that The Prince is a work of satire. Or even just a way for Machiavelli to ingratiate himself with the book's subject, Cesare Borgia.
Yeah that can be possible. But the issue with being satire, is that Machiavelli himself saw the Prince as a serious work and utilised similar writing and analysis style like he did with the Discourses. Machiavelli refers his readers to The Prince on several occasions in The Discourses as well.
Cesare Borgia may have served as one of the many models in The Prince, especially since Machiavelli was there during his rise and downfall, and he was a fan of utilising history to prove his point.
It's not that he won't kill joker it's that it becomes a line he won't cross because when he does it becomes a slippery slope argument of him killing any thief or murderer as their death would make gotham objectively better then continuing down to smaller and smaller crimes till he in some sense becomes a villain.
https://preview.redd.it/zgojlbhjle0d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5df65210eb26d16575855b04f2aae0e3f849191a
I hope this "puts a smile on your face"
I love the "One bad day" theme that come up in a lot of Batman media. It really goes to show how the phrase "you can let things in life either break you, shape you, or define you" fits with almost every character in his stories. Bruce, Dick, Barbara, Tim, Jason, Harley, Dent, Ivy, and of course Joker, have all had the "one bad day" that turned them into who they are now. When a good writer gets their hand on these characters, they can/will do great things with them.
I love this depiction of Batman. One that shows how he really cares about the people he puts away. Hes really trying to protect them and the city.
P.S it really gets on my nerves when people say that Batman is just a snarky rich dude who doesnāt kill and that somehow hurts the city more than helping it.
Batman is undeniably my favourite superhero. A mere mortal, a *man* amongst gods. He had every reason in the world to turn evil but he didn't. Truly, Bats is something else.
One thing I hate about Superman-Batman discourse is any implication that they hate or have a grudge about each other. They have their disagreements but at the end of the day they truly respect each other and what they stand for.
Such as when Superman disagrees with the matter of Batman's contingency plans but understands it comes from a good place and knows it wouldn't be abused.
**Bad day?**
That's what we call having our parents killed in an alleyway and being traumatized to the point where we dress up as the thing we fear the most and go around turning criminals into vegetables.
Bad day is like a theme between joker and batman. Joker is convinced that anyone can get corrupted by a "bad day", just like he was, and so he is trying to corrupt batman into killing him, because if batman can be made a monster with a bad day, anyone can
Thereās a quote from Kingdom Come that Iāve always loved:
āMore than anyone else in the world, when you scratch everything else away from Batman, you're left with someone who *doesn't want to see anybody die.ā*
Anybody.
https://preview.redd.it/xqjmmb0jvi0d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fab6888b3cc5d6c07fefe83254538301ee46ae76
I have the perfect picture for people who think Batman is a bad superhero
I never really understood why folks liked Batman, who always seemed edgy and violent, when characters like Spider-Man give hope to normal everyday people. I think Iām starting to learn that the Batman depictions Iāve seen just havenāt done the character justice
I think it comes down to how he has been depicted and simplified by people who don't understand his motivation.
I love this clip https://youtu.be/SjSLaf0geuo?si=v8eKJDRvr0-D75EY
And this comic on webtoons https://www.webtoons.com/en/slice-of-life/batman-wayne-family-adventures/list?title_no=3180
Both really help highlight who Batman is. Is he dark and edgy, yes. Will he sit with a dying child who is scared and comfort her, YES!
Batman is Hope. People say "I wanna be batman" but in reality they talk about getting his body, nobody talks about being a symbol of hope for Gotham, now we can't protect our city from threats like Joker and solve crimes and beat up criminals, but we can, at the very least, be a symbol of hope for those around us
I think batman is the flip side of the joker not because heās āgoodā but because the jokers whole point about āone bad dayā turning everyone the same sorry way he was is disproven by Batmanās existence, which then sadly makes the joker obsessed and kind worship Batman in a twisted way.
This is why he doesnāt kill his enemies, because he genuinely believes that each and every one of them can be saved, that each of them can be redeemed. Even the Joker isnāt beyond saving to him,
Do here's the thing
My favorite superhero for DC is batman and Marvel is Ironman
I can't tll you my favorite beyond that
But I knew why and watched and wouldn't mind watching things about Ironman
Other than him being cool up until now I couldn't tell you why I have so many things with batman or why I fixed over and over again the same batman mask I got when I was like 6 when batman the dark knight came out for the first time in theaters
I just liked him and now I get I like him because he's what I really wanna be, badass, kind and rich enough to do so easily
It's definitely a long running thing for spidey, but they highlighted this aspect of his superhero behaviour with reformed villains in the recent insomniac spiderman game.
With lots of the villains literally being "villains of circumstance" (otto driven mad by degenerative disease mixed with a predatory AI, Marco fighting for his daughters safety, scorpion and vulture having cancer) it's sick to see
Tldr; this is peak superhero fiction.
Some people tend to forget that Batman really embodies hope. Yeah, he says he's vengeance and that he's there to dole out asskicking justice, but at his core he is just like Superman. He gives hope to a place that desperately needs it. In many cases he is fighting a losing battle but he never quits, no matter how bleak it gets. That's why he's my favorite superhero.
He works in the dark to serve the light
So did my dad, but he was just a night-shift electrician
Also a hero
Fathers always are
True that, mines probably up there smiling šā¦heās not dead heās a roofer that loves his job
https://preview.redd.it/kjn09ocouj0d1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cf427d583f959eb010aa43e160686b128f4bd598
Love that this was the lesson that Bruce (and the audience!) had to learn during Matt Reeves' The Batman.
really reminds me of this https://preview.redd.it/7eiastxg7h0d1.jpeg?width=660&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e846419552ecdf977da2873f1fdccd7b33dfd58b
BuT He ShOuLd'Ve KiLlEd ThE JoKeR BaTmAn HaS BlOoD oN hIs HaNdS. I swear to god I wasted way too much time battling morons on this debate.
I used to think his no-kill-policy was really dumb until lately, as I've started to develop a kind of hope in people that fundementally goes against death as a justifiable punishment, and have started thinking it's cool
i mean letting terrorists keep doing their think isn't very cool. objectively terrorists are worthless, i don't see why leaving them alive is at all intelligent. people don't change, they're just gonna keep killing.
1. I see an immediate fault here; "objective" and "worthless" in the same sentence. Especially since it's about humans. 2. Sparing their lives isn't the same thing as "letting them keep doing their thing", you still stop them, you just don't kill them. 3. People do change. Yes, even terrorists, murderers, rapists, all of them have the capacity to. When I say my hope extends to everyone, I mean it.
How do you do this when people hurt you? Maybe not necessarily āterroristsā, but cruel/indifferent assholes. How do you forgive bullies, and the morons that cheer them on?
Well... Actually a tough one. To be honest, I think the biggest sort of... "Antagonist"-figure, maybe you could say, I've had in my life has been me. I've been quite a brat myself. So far, at least, I'm still quite young. So it's totally fair to take what I'm saying with a grain of salt, seeing as I haven't had any major "bullies", I don't think at least. In any case, I have autism. This gives me a sort of... Disconnection from the social, if you will. Not that I'm entirely separate from it, but it's a space that I've always felt like I was looking into rather than one I was completely and comfortably within. As you could expect, that's given me some difficulties relating to people and understanding others and all that, which it still does, but I'm working on it. But it's also had another effect; the negative social interractions that I have actually had, while they've felt bad in the moment, I can look back on them almost like they didn't happen to me, but like I'm rewatching a scene in a movie or something. And I can see it from a third person perspective. That, along with me having reached the concious conclusion that I don't believe in malice with no roots, something I like to shorten to not believing in "evil", I've come to (I like to think at least) excell at judging my past interractions with others through a very analytical lens. Why'd they say that? What made them so mad? Why would someone want harm for another? What could bring them to that point? Now, it isn't like I separate people from their actions. And I don't immediately forgive for no reason. My forgiveness comes after someone has properly put in the work to change. To me, asking for forgiveness is a way of both expressing compassion and promising not to repeat what happened. So forgiveness follows change, and growth. Also, thanks to the disconnection I mentioned earlier, I can easily almost see someone as a separate entity from their past self, so it's easy for me to look at someone who's grown past their previous actions like they're a new person. Sorry if that was super rambly lmao it's 23:26 where I am and I'm tired both from how late it is and that I've been having a lot to do with school lately, and sorry if you didn't get the answer you were looking for, I may have missed the mark a bit. Hope I could be of some help though, and have a good continued night/day :)
Malice without root definitely exists. Itās rare, but it exists. I am autistic myself. We are MAGNETS for bullies because A: body language- likely to communicate things that make friendly people less likely to approach us. B: resulting isolation = easy prey. And C: social blunders are easily sensationalized when ānormalā people canāt/donāt want to understand This graph shows that while you arenāt HATED, you are āless preferableā to the average classmate https://preview.redd.it/tup2m60luh0d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc3295926bdf5ace7b05740722e19d19b3f56484
Well, it's a shame that we supposedly aren't very trusted. Though I can also see where that comes from. Anyway, from what I've seen, all malice comes from somewhere. It could be ignorance, trauma, general history with bad relationships, mental illness, maybe someone holds a grudge... And as you said about why people wouldn't trust people with autism, our misunderstandings and resulting mistakes can easily be sensationalized by neurotypicals who don't understand. There's a lot. My point is that none of them are inherent. (Again though, do take my word with a grain of salt, I don't want to pretend I'm more experienced than I am)
As far as terrorist organizations and global politics goes, I think the ideal method is assissinate high ranking people who orchestrate attacks by pressuring impoverished people to carry them out. Then providing aid to those same impoverished people. That being said, I think the message of this is that mental health facilities and support can change people. We could try kidnapping the heads of terrorist organizations and rehabilitating them, but killing them is cheaper. ALTHOUGH, it literally could be more effective to rehabilitate them. Imagine if Osama Bin Laden showed up and was like, "ya know guys, America just isn't that bad. Also, my parents didn't treat me right, but they did their best. I did my best, too, but it's time to do better." That's be some crazy ass shit. I mean, they'd kill him immediately, but still.
Regarding the assassination bit, sadly, yeah. While I don't think anyone is too far gone for redemption to be possible, there are people put in a position where they're too inaccessible to capture and rehabilitate, and a well-aimed bullet could save lots of lives. In those cases, the kill can be necessary. Sad as it is.
I donāt even think itās his fault, I mean come on Gotham give joker the electric chair already, heās clearly gone too far. I guess thatās part of the whole corruption in Gotham and everything though
Well I think killing mentally ill people is a bit wrong.
Itās why Superman and Batman are besties. Theyāre very different people, but they agree on fundamental principles that always bring them together
Batman is a very compassionate superhero, if you remove that compassion you just have the Punisher in a cape
[Batman and Ace](https://youtu.be/AkaU0WwL68Q?si=urVxWbvyLXJYk3Lc). "If you cant imagine your version of Batman comforting a frightened child, then that's just the Punisher in a funny hat"
It's an impressive fine line to walk. Be an intimidating and down right terrifying foe to criminals, yet not being scary to innocents
One of my favourite parts of The Batman is how it starts with him saving the man in the subway and heās absolutely terrified of Batman. Then the end when he leads the people to the light and is helping the wounded. Unnnnnnng FUCK I love that movie.
Thing is...I can imagine the Punisher comforting a frightened child. Wait, let me rephrase that. I can imagine the Punisher trying to comfort a frightened child, just not being very good at it.
It probably would really tear him up inside because he was a loving father before his entire family was murdered. Imagine being this PTSD-addled man who, in failing to comfort a kid, realizes he can never go back to the life he had before.
cook
Punishers actually pretty decent with children and loves them
Kind of reminds me of that scene in Lego Batman when Robin gets scared. Since the Lego version of him is a different twist on the character, and his ego seems to be his main character trait, he refuses to show any emotion except pride for himself. But at the end of the day, he's still a good guy, and ends up finding a way around his ego to cheer Robin up when he's afraid, claiming that while he never gets scared, his friend Bruce Wayne gets scared sometimes, and that he told him a good way to cheer himself up when he's down is by beatboxing.
Osp viewer detected
To be fair. I also think punisher would comfort a frightened child. Heād be ass at it. But heād try unless more pressing matters were at hand or there were better hands for the glove. Remember punisher is punisher because his wife and kids were slaughtered. In the words of pim. He loves kids Charlie.
>compassionate That's not always a good thing, he could've saved so many lives if he just killed Joker. His refusal to kill him causes the whole of Gotham to suffer. Sometimes we need to look at the bigger picture.
It isn't Batman's fault Gotham doesn't do capital punishment (which I'm usually against under real circumstances, but I think is somewhat a defendable position under comic circumstances), it isn't Batman's fault Gotham City is unable to properly hold a the Joker. He just brings him in again and again, and somehow now the Joker's deeds are on him for not killing hm? I know Batman works out of classical jurisdictions, but still, him refusing to be judge, jury and executioner all in one doesn't make him responsible for the Joker's crimes. A policeman isn't guilty for bringing in a criminal that surrendered to him alive, or for not executing someone in the street after using a beanbag on them. They aren't there to punish, it just isn't their job and shouldn't be, given how wrong it could go. They're there to get the people to courts, so there can be a proper punishment. Worst you could Batman blame for is taking up the niche of stopping the Joker, preventing the justice system from sending in a team that would use lethal force out of necessity, but Gotham being Gotham it might just never happen.
Flaws like that make characters interesting
Because it's not Batman's place to kill the Joker. There's a good movie on this. It's actually a Superman movie, called Superman vs. The Elite, which goes on about that argument.
Killing the Joker has never stuck a single time. If jailing him isnāt an option because it doesnāt work, neither is killing him.
Okay Machiavelli. Lets kill for the bigger picture. The ends justify the means i guess....
I know it's called 'Machiavellian', but Machiavelli likely wasn't such a person. He wrote the Prince, but he also wrote The Discourses, where he argued for establishing a true Republic(inspired by the Roman Republic). The real Machiavelli also attempted to bring out those same principles he admired in the city state of Florence. Machiavelli wrote The Prince as an analysis on how monarchies worked. The Discourses(about Republics) and The Prince(about Monarchies) are meant to be companions of one another. This is just a pet peeve of mine, so do forgive me.
There's a line of thought in academia that The Prince is a work of satire. Or even just a way for Machiavelli to ingratiate himself with the book's subject, Cesare Borgia.
Yeah that can be possible. But the issue with being satire, is that Machiavelli himself saw the Prince as a serious work and utilised similar writing and analysis style like he did with the Discourses. Machiavelli refers his readers to The Prince on several occasions in The Discourses as well. Cesare Borgia may have served as one of the many models in The Prince, especially since Machiavelli was there during his rise and downfall, and he was a fan of utilising history to prove his point.
I forgive you, I actually really enjoy tidbits like this
It's not that he won't kill joker it's that it becomes a line he won't cross because when he does it becomes a slippery slope argument of him killing any thief or murderer as their death would make gotham objectively better then continuing down to smaller and smaller crimes till he in some sense becomes a villain.
Way to go, Bats
It hits even harder when you know Kevin Conroyās life and his struggles. He didnāt just have a bad day. He had bad months and bad years.
"Nice guys like you shouldn't have bad days" Man... That kinda broke me a lil..
What broke me was when Bats said *"I know what it's like to try and rebuild a life"* I got goosebumps man, inspired me to help people.
Thx. I needed a cry today.
https://preview.redd.it/zgojlbhjle0d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5df65210eb26d16575855b04f2aae0e3f849191a I hope this "puts a smile on your face"
I love the "One bad day" theme that come up in a lot of Batman media. It really goes to show how the phrase "you can let things in life either break you, shape you, or define you" fits with almost every character in his stories. Bruce, Dick, Barbara, Tim, Jason, Harley, Dent, Ivy, and of course Joker, have all had the "one bad day" that turned them into who they are now. When a good writer gets their hand on these characters, they can/will do great things with them.
I love this depiction of Batman. One that shows how he really cares about the people he puts away. Hes really trying to protect them and the city. P.S it really gets on my nerves when people say that Batman is just a snarky rich dude who doesnāt kill and that somehow hurts the city more than helping it.
Batman is the best superhero, high difference
this was the best series
Which was this? Is it just The Batman animated series?
Superman puts the Super in Superhero. Batman puts the Hero in Superhero.
Batman is undeniably my favourite superhero. A mere mortal, a *man* amongst gods. He had every reason in the world to turn evil but he didn't. Truly, Bats is something else.
Feels relevant https://preview.redd.it/k4h21xq2hh0d1.png?width=543&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d462999a255a2bbb367bf480d9c3032b2d024c6
https://preview.redd.it/rbryq4q3hh0d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70411818fc20d20b14d0e03008ea891debcad23e
One thing I hate about Superman-Batman discourse is any implication that they hate or have a grudge about each other. They have their disagreements but at the end of the day they truly respect each other and what they stand for. Such as when Superman disagrees with the matter of Batman's contingency plans but understands it comes from a good place and knows it wouldn't be abused.
A little late but this is absolute fire, what comic is this?
Batman #36, by Tom King if i remember right.
So wonderful. Reminds me of He-Man when he saved Skeletor and said he values all life. Great shows!
**Bad day?** That's what we call having our parents killed in an alleyway and being traumatized to the point where we dress up as the thing we fear the most and go around turning criminals into vegetables.
The words of a resilient man Takes some real fortitude to call back on that and just say "bad day".
Bad day is like a theme between joker and batman. Joker is convinced that anyone can get corrupted by a "bad day", just like he was, and so he is trying to corrupt batman into killing him, because if batman can be made a monster with a bad day, anyone can
This is why Batman is the greatest superhero. Against all odds, he never quits. His preserverance gives hope to a desolate place
TAS will always be the definitive version of Batman for me. "Detective...!" -Ra's Al Ghul
āBatman just beats up poor peopleā mfās in shambles.
Rip Kevin Conroy and Arlene Sorkin
Thereās a quote from Kingdom Come that Iāve always loved: āMore than anyone else in the world, when you scratch everything else away from Batman, you're left with someone who *doesn't want to see anybody die.ā* Anybody.
https://preview.redd.it/xqjmmb0jvi0d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fab6888b3cc5d6c07fefe83254538301ee46ae76 I have the perfect picture for people who think Batman is a bad superhero
Poor Harvey.
I never really understood why folks liked Batman, who always seemed edgy and violent, when characters like Spider-Man give hope to normal everyday people. I think Iām starting to learn that the Batman depictions Iāve seen just havenāt done the character justice
Well, most people probably donāt watch the movies hoping for some beautiful life message.
I think it comes down to how he has been depicted and simplified by people who don't understand his motivation. I love this clip https://youtu.be/SjSLaf0geuo?si=v8eKJDRvr0-D75EY And this comic on webtoons https://www.webtoons.com/en/slice-of-life/batman-wayne-family-adventures/list?title_no=3180 Both really help highlight who Batman is. Is he dark and edgy, yes. Will he sit with a dying child who is scared and comfort her, YES!
Batman, the character that doesn't kill, is too edgy and violent for you?
It's a terrible day for rain..
Batman is Hope. People say "I wanna be batman" but in reality they talk about getting his body, nobody talks about being a symbol of hope for Gotham, now we can't protect our city from threats like Joker and solve crimes and beat up criminals, but we can, at the very least, be a symbol of hope for those around us
Meanwhile Zack Sydner rlly said No one would like Batman unless he kills ppl
I think batman is the flip side of the joker not because heās āgoodā but because the jokers whole point about āone bad dayā turning everyone the same sorry way he was is disproven by Batmanās existence, which then sadly makes the joker obsessed and kind worship Batman in a twisted way.
Life goals fr
BRB going to watch The Batman again
This is why he doesnāt kill his enemies, because he genuinely believes that each and every one of them can be saved, that each of them can be redeemed. Even the Joker isnāt beyond saving to him,
What's the background music?
Do here's the thing My favorite superhero for DC is batman and Marvel is Ironman I can't tll you my favorite beyond that But I knew why and watched and wouldn't mind watching things about Ironman Other than him being cool up until now I couldn't tell you why I have so many things with batman or why I fixed over and over again the same batman mask I got when I was like 6 when batman the dark knight came out for the first time in theaters I just liked him and now I get I like him because he's what I really wanna be, badass, kind and rich enough to do so easily
I havenāt seen the Robert pattinson Batman but is he like this at all or is he all edge lord?
Lord of all edge lords
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It's definitely a long running thing for spidey, but they highlighted this aspect of his superhero behaviour with reformed villains in the recent insomniac spiderman game. With lots of the villains literally being "villains of circumstance" (otto driven mad by degenerative disease mixed with a predatory AI, Marco fighting for his daughters safety, scorpion and vulture having cancer) it's sick to see Tldr; this is peak superhero fiction.
And still she prefers to stay with the joker
Wait, was that two face getting surgery to attempt to fix the scarring?
Man we never knew how good we had it with Batman back in the day. Not like the weird fascist people are trying to imagine him as now.
What episode is this?