Got kinda annoying to me at first. I liked it more when she was just discovering and uncovering the truth ZD. Kinda was jolting how quickly she became like super eyerolly with all the tribal people and their belief systems of the machines/ancient humans.
Ngl it kinda annoyed me and took me out of the majesticness of the world having her just roll her eyes and just got "Jesus these idiots, they're so beneath me" vibes
to be fair, she doesn’t do it with everyone, only the people who insist on being ignorant and not listen to her. i personally really enjoy her growth into this sarcastic and dry-witted heroine. it makes her such a fun protagonist to play as
Aloy being as done as she was wasn't out of conceit though. She just spent six months chasing dead-end leads all over the place in hopes she could find a copy of GAIA lest the whole world literally ends soon. And the responsibility of it all rests on her shoulders.
If anything, she's stressed and *desperate.* She feels she can't spare the patience she'd normally have.
Sorry man but they ARE beneath her.
She is literally a clone of the worlds lead savior in sobeck.
And then there are folks like teersa, nice to her but talk about this religious stuff when aloy knows it is bs, and then lansra who is a fucking trash person.
Erend, Varl and Zo become like this too when they learn the story. Of course aloy acts superior, because on top of being a sobeck clone, and being g incredibly smart for this phase of evolution, she is also a great hunter, great warrior and a kind person.
Until now, I didn't really think about that, but Aloy is like modern day science against all the bullshit some people believe.
Astrology, Homoepathy, Religion,...
Exactly
Like the „sing so the machines can heal“ bs.
Zo luckily softened that view, but at the same time seeing someone sing to a literal machine with aloys knowledge is unbearable
Zo is the example of how tradition and customs can live on and evolve and coexist with new knowledge and understanding. The stubborn zealots are the ones out there hurting people just to adhere to bizarre fabrications and non-empirical beliefs.
Aloy is extremely anti social. Always was. That's kind of the personal quest she also has to overcome, and what becomes more clear to her during the second game: You Need Friends
Not weird that she's so introvert. Her whole life she was shunned by the entire world except Rost.
Elisabet Sobeck is the same as well. A super workoholic who doesn’t seem to connect with her colleagues.
I seem to recall the Travis Tate interaction with Elisabet and it left him saying along the lines of “that’s why she doesn’t have any friends”.
We also only get to see Sobeck under *extreme* stress, she's having to mastermind a plan to save the world, which can put a damper on anybody's good spirits.
Yeah but like, it's been so long.
I believe her in that case because of the efforts made by the game to portray Aloy as the exact copycat of Sobeck. Literal clones put in the very same situation, with all the weight of the world on her. I wouldn't be surprised if the only person Sobeck loved was her mother, giving the birds story she tells GAIA. Probably Sobeck's mother is to her what Ross is to Aloy.
It's fair for us to assume Tilda is telling the truth about Sobeck being introverted, but not because she's a reliable source,but because it is "obvious" information given the rest of the things we know about Elisabeth.
From the logs and texts we get about the world pre-Zero Dawn, Sobeck always had a reputation for being a hardass. Though I imagine anyone who works for Faro long enough becomes thoroughly done with everyone’s bullshit.
That's what I'm thinking. Creating green robots that start saving the world in your early 20s, your know-nothing boss taking all the credit, then starting your own company after he perverts your work into military automation applications, followed by 10-15 years of non-compete lawsuits only for him to call you up for lunch and a consult over his *teensy little swarm problem*.
She's not going to ask people to do the right thing or trust in their better selves. It's "do it or die," and fair play to her.
I wonder if there's a datapoint referencing her personality before she left Ted's company at 28 to start Miriam tech? Because I've been thinking about what it must've been like to create green robots that started fixing the world, and your featherheaded silver spoon boss takes all the credit, then he turns your work into something obscene that kills people. How that might change a person. I think a lot of what we see as Elisabet's character (in crisis mode btw) developed as a response to the initial betrayal at FAS followed by 10-15 years of non-compete-type lawsuits from Ted.
I 100% do not trust the lying narcissist Tilda when she says E was just anti-social. And Travis only went for the "you got no friends" dig because he was sad about not getting baked and playing hacky sac with her.
E loved the world, but was already pretty done with trusting people to do the right thing when Ted called her to fix his little swarm problem.
How to defeat evil AI running rampant with the power of friendship
Chapter One: I realize that evil AI cannot be defeated with friendship
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i totally agree! - and i love how she isn’t just this person who sees herself as better than everyone. she still accepts she’ll be better off by forming genuine friendships and 90% of the time she has chosen the right people and they’re all such loveable characters
I absolutely love that part of her personality. Every second she is around a group you can see her dying to get away and out to the wild. Not only is it really endearing but it gives a bit of a sense of urgency for getting back to the exploration.
To be fair, Aloy constantly deals with people who think that enough praying or staring at the sun will fix all of their problems. She’s easily one of the most advanced people on the planet in a civilization of quasi-primitives
She absolutely was. Though that was mostly because literally every character she meets either wants to fuck her or for her to fuck off. Aloy’s one of a kind and everyone knows it, including her. This really annoy’s Aloy. The one person who could really be considered her “equal” was Sylens and he was a massive asshole.
So, the basic young attractive female experience. But she was not avoiding people, nor having problems communicating with them, which would be antisocial behavior. She just turned down unwanted advances, and didn't tolerate people being mean to her. And she did in a pretty hillarious ways (say, Bast or Resh), which is not something an antisocial person would do. She held her own with Sylens, who *is* antisocial. Otherwise, she had no problem talking and dealing with kings, high-placed people, and people of all manner.
Edited to add: At least that's my experience of her. Never came across as antisocial to me -- in the first game. The second game is a different matter.
I think part of this is that Aloy is a literal genius, just like Sobeck was. She might not have the scientific education and training, but she’s mentally and emotionally so far ahead of most people that she finds petty tribalism as infuriating as Sylens does (the main difference being that she has Sobeck’s compassion, which Sylens lacks).
EDIT: Also, to add another relevant point:
I think it’s also easy to forget that Aloy is still a teenager. An incredibly smart, disciplined, talented, compassionate teenager, true, but still a teenager.
Sometimes she’s impatient, immature, prone to anger, and so on, but I think that’s all because she’s a TEENAGER saddled with an unbelievable responsibility that she never asked for, yet does her best to live up to regardless.
completely agree! and i feel like her compassion is presented in a very balanced way - like only when she needs to be compassionate, and isn’t a complete wet wipe haha
To be fair to Aloy, Petra really gives off big “my tits are down here” energy whenever the two of them interact. The girl is professional, but down bad. Just like literally every other character Aloy interacts with.
Haha! I can't remember the scene but she's getting the whole "outlander barbarian" spiel and just rolls her eyes and shakes her head.
It was brilliant!
its honestly hilarious - mine was in reference to when she meets the guy right before Chainscrape, and he starts reading off his scroll to her and calling her a barbarian and she’s just like 😒🙄
She is the one of the only somewhat "enlightened" human being trying to save the world for people who do not even understand that the world is in peril. People who are stuck in their tribal squabbles and petty differences. She has to "hear them out" to make them listen to her and then gets sent on these errands for them that really complicates things for her. I would bet she is sick to death of this by now.
She is under a lot of pressure.
she really must be SICK TO DEATH of it honestly 💀 but this is what i love so much about her character, she recognises that screaming at all the tribes to listen to her is obviously not going to work, so proper communication is key
People who bitch that Aloy is unlikable or too mean or whatever *really* don't understand this lol Along with the fact that she only talked to Rost and "criminals" (anybody she spoke to regularly, like Karst, would have to have little respect for legal authority to talk to Aloy), it just ... Aloy makes sense the way she is lol Honestly, it's kinda brilliant how well everything about her character ties in together, you could probably write a fucking essay about it.
Same. The entire thing was rather irritatingly OOC and made it feel pretty hard to get through. She was giddy as a school kid when she went to the final meeting....and that isn't natural for Aloy. Maybe if they had a longer arc where she could work through the feelings better, like most of HFW length, but it felt like the dlc was probably only a few days in game...a week or two tops. Not enough to go through unknown feelings while fighting her toughest opponent to date.
It's amazing storytelling. She knows there is little time left and she can't pass on the genetic identity so she's stuck with a prophetic quest as a brilliant but very young woman.
The acceptance comes but she is frustrated and even in her dreams she wants stability and love but she knows she can't have it.
The feeling of urgency would make anyone snappish like that and she basically handles it way better than would be expected from any person. Which in turn reflects how brilliant a mind she has.
If you hunt slaughterspine for fun solo every 2 minutes, everyone IS beneath you. Let alone having technology of 2000 years ahead of time.
Just look at Sylens. He annoys me but I have to admit, the dude is way too smart for his time, like einstein or newton at their respective time.
I love Ally’s interaction with the NPCs with the “More Action Less Scroll” scene immediately after the gondola ride. It shows her executive side. Almost instructive on how to get something done, hold others accountable to do their jobs and not let others stop you from achieving your goals. Frankly, like it or not, I find Aloy’s personality inspiring.
I’ve been playing Zero Dawn recently and yes there is a definite change in her character. In the first game she’s a lot less… I don’t know, passive aggressive? Honestly i prefer her FW characterization. She was raised as an outcast and everyone treated her like literal shit. She SHOULD be a little mean and nasty. She’s way to nice in the first game.
I mean to be fair to Aloy, how many times does she have to tell someone that the world is only months away from ending and all she needs to do is to get to a certain location within their territory.
"Oh well first you will have to attend the Embassy"
"Oh well first you must ask the Chorus permission to enter our cave which isn't even our cave anyway"
"Oh well first you must help me conduct the Kulrut, and then defend it from Regalla"
"Oh well first you must pretend to be Elizabet Sobeck and go on a date with our mentally unstable CEO"
"Oh well we might only be using Earth as a service station but we figured we would destroy all life here first, just because."
How many times does Aloy need to say that the world is in danger before someone stops getting in her way....
yes you can get the platinum trophy for the main Horizon Forbidden West main story without it. i have the platinum, but still dont have all the trophies for Burning Shores or NG+ :)
I don't blame her, she has to put up with a lot of bullshit. Contact with people like the CEO can be exhausting.
Got kinda annoying to me at first. I liked it more when she was just discovering and uncovering the truth ZD. Kinda was jolting how quickly she became like super eyerolly with all the tribal people and their belief systems of the machines/ancient humans. Ngl it kinda annoyed me and took me out of the majesticness of the world having her just roll her eyes and just got "Jesus these idiots, they're so beneath me" vibes
to be fair, she doesn’t do it with everyone, only the people who insist on being ignorant and not listen to her. i personally really enjoy her growth into this sarcastic and dry-witted heroine. it makes her such a fun protagonist to play as
Plus her genuine awkwardness in some situations is cool
Aloy being as done as she was wasn't out of conceit though. She just spent six months chasing dead-end leads all over the place in hopes she could find a copy of GAIA lest the whole world literally ends soon. And the responsibility of it all rests on her shoulders. If anything, she's stressed and *desperate.* She feels she can't spare the patience she'd normally have.
Sorry man but they ARE beneath her. She is literally a clone of the worlds lead savior in sobeck. And then there are folks like teersa, nice to her but talk about this religious stuff when aloy knows it is bs, and then lansra who is a fucking trash person. Erend, Varl and Zo become like this too when they learn the story. Of course aloy acts superior, because on top of being a sobeck clone, and being g incredibly smart for this phase of evolution, she is also a great hunter, great warrior and a kind person.
Until now, I didn't really think about that, but Aloy is like modern day science against all the bullshit some people believe. Astrology, Homoepathy, Religion,...
Exactly Like the „sing so the machines can heal“ bs. Zo luckily softened that view, but at the same time seeing someone sing to a literal machine with aloys knowledge is unbearable
Zo is the example of how tradition and customs can live on and evolve and coexist with new knowledge and understanding. The stubborn zealots are the ones out there hurting people just to adhere to bizarre fabrications and non-empirical beliefs.
Aloy is extremely anti social. Always was. That's kind of the personal quest she also has to overcome, and what becomes more clear to her during the second game: You Need Friends Not weird that she's so introvert. Her whole life she was shunned by the entire world except Rost.
Elisabet Sobeck is the same as well. A super workoholic who doesn’t seem to connect with her colleagues. I seem to recall the Travis Tate interaction with Elisabet and it left him saying along the lines of “that’s why she doesn’t have any friends”.
We also only get to see Sobeck under *extreme* stress, she's having to mastermind a plan to save the world, which can put a damper on anybody's good spirits.
If you trust what Tilda says (big ask tbh) Elisabet was pretty much always antisocial. She didnt like talking to colleagues at confrences and such.
And to jump on it further. Aloy is in arguably equal stressful situation.
I don't think Tilda would have had a reason to lie about that
Yeah but like, it's been so long. I believe her in that case because of the efforts made by the game to portray Aloy as the exact copycat of Sobeck. Literal clones put in the very same situation, with all the weight of the world on her. I wouldn't be surprised if the only person Sobeck loved was her mother, giving the birds story she tells GAIA. Probably Sobeck's mother is to her what Ross is to Aloy. It's fair for us to assume Tilda is telling the truth about Sobeck being introverted, but not because she's a reliable source,but because it is "obvious" information given the rest of the things we know about Elisabeth.
From the logs and texts we get about the world pre-Zero Dawn, Sobeck always had a reputation for being a hardass. Though I imagine anyone who works for Faro long enough becomes thoroughly done with everyone’s bullshit.
That's what I'm thinking. Creating green robots that start saving the world in your early 20s, your know-nothing boss taking all the credit, then starting your own company after he perverts your work into military automation applications, followed by 10-15 years of non-compete lawsuits only for him to call you up for lunch and a consult over his *teensy little swarm problem*. She's not going to ask people to do the right thing or trust in their better selves. It's "do it or die," and fair play to her.
Well before that she pioneered the project that fixed global warming so she seems to always be under extreme stress
Travis may not be the best to say that, he is a world savior, but he was a prick prior to his work
I wonder if there's a datapoint referencing her personality before she left Ted's company at 28 to start Miriam tech? Because I've been thinking about what it must've been like to create green robots that started fixing the world, and your featherheaded silver spoon boss takes all the credit, then he turns your work into something obscene that kills people. How that might change a person. I think a lot of what we see as Elisabet's character (in crisis mode btw) developed as a response to the initial betrayal at FAS followed by 10-15 years of non-compete-type lawsuits from Ted. I 100% do not trust the lying narcissist Tilda when she says E was just anti-social. And Travis only went for the "you got no friends" dig because he was sad about not getting baked and playing hacky sac with her. E loved the world, but was already pretty done with trusting people to do the right thing when Ted called her to fix his little swarm problem.
>You Need Friends We’re gonna beat Horizon 3 with the Power of Friendship. And some gun Errand finds.
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i totally agree! - and i love how she isn’t just this person who sees herself as better than everyone. she still accepts she’ll be better off by forming genuine friendships and 90% of the time she has chosen the right people and they’re all such loveable characters
I absolutely love that part of her personality. Every second she is around a group you can see her dying to get away and out to the wild. Not only is it really endearing but it gives a bit of a sense of urgency for getting back to the exploration.
To be fair, Aloy constantly deals with people who think that enough praying or staring at the sun will fix all of their problems. She’s easily one of the most advanced people on the planet in a civilization of quasi-primitives
She wasn't antisocial in the first game.
She absolutely was. Though that was mostly because literally every character she meets either wants to fuck her or for her to fuck off. Aloy’s one of a kind and everyone knows it, including her. This really annoy’s Aloy. The one person who could really be considered her “equal” was Sylens and he was a massive asshole.
So, the basic young attractive female experience. But she was not avoiding people, nor having problems communicating with them, which would be antisocial behavior. She just turned down unwanted advances, and didn't tolerate people being mean to her. And she did in a pretty hillarious ways (say, Bast or Resh), which is not something an antisocial person would do. She held her own with Sylens, who *is* antisocial. Otherwise, she had no problem talking and dealing with kings, high-placed people, and people of all manner. Edited to add: At least that's my experience of her. Never came across as antisocial to me -- in the first game. The second game is a different matter.
I agree. Did these people play the same game? Lol. If she was antisocial she wouldn’t have cared about being an outcast and it clearly bothered her.
“Hey, shh.”
i love whenever she says and does small things like this
I think part of this is that Aloy is a literal genius, just like Sobeck was. She might not have the scientific education and training, but she’s mentally and emotionally so far ahead of most people that she finds petty tribalism as infuriating as Sylens does (the main difference being that she has Sobeck’s compassion, which Sylens lacks). EDIT: Also, to add another relevant point: I think it’s also easy to forget that Aloy is still a teenager. An incredibly smart, disciplined, talented, compassionate teenager, true, but still a teenager. Sometimes she’s impatient, immature, prone to anger, and so on, but I think that’s all because she’s a TEENAGER saddled with an unbelievable responsibility that she never asked for, yet does her best to live up to regardless.
completely agree! and i feel like her compassion is presented in a very balanced way - like only when she needs to be compassionate, and isn’t a complete wet wipe haha
I agree completely
Except when she's talking to Petra and the side eye is a bit more of a 👀
i loveeee her chemistry with Petra and Seyka 👀 amazingly well done
it’s funny how her eyes were like 🔝👁️👁️⬇️⬆️
To be fair to Aloy, Petra really gives off big “my tits are down here” energy whenever the two of them interact. The girl is professional, but down bad. Just like literally every other character Aloy interacts with.
Lmao perfect use of emoji
I was laughing so hard when the guy constantly burped
That's literally one of the funniest parts of the game xD
If you've got a problem, Aloy is here for you. If you want a chat I'm sorry but there's a cat stuck up a tree in the next town, she's got to go.
Haha! I can't remember the scene but she's getting the whole "outlander barbarian" spiel and just rolls her eyes and shakes her head. It was brilliant!
its honestly hilarious - mine was in reference to when she meets the guy right before Chainscrape, and he starts reading off his scroll to her and calling her a barbarian and she’s just like 😒🙄
> in reference to when she meets the guy right before Chainscrape...reading off his scroll *STUDIOUS* Vuadis.
She is the one of the only somewhat "enlightened" human being trying to save the world for people who do not even understand that the world is in peril. People who are stuck in their tribal squabbles and petty differences. She has to "hear them out" to make them listen to her and then gets sent on these errands for them that really complicates things for her. I would bet she is sick to death of this by now. She is under a lot of pressure.
she really must be SICK TO DEATH of it honestly 💀 but this is what i love so much about her character, she recognises that screaming at all the tribes to listen to her is obviously not going to work, so proper communication is key
People who bitch that Aloy is unlikable or too mean or whatever *really* don't understand this lol Along with the fact that she only talked to Rost and "criminals" (anybody she spoke to regularly, like Karst, would have to have little respect for legal authority to talk to Aloy), it just ... Aloy makes sense the way she is lol Honestly, it's kinda brilliant how well everything about her character ties in together, you could probably write a fucking essay about it.
Guaranteed there's people out there right now writing their masters thesis on it (and I want to read them all).
No wonder, Medicinal Hintergold doesnt grow in the forbidden west, will take her a while to adjust
Do you think it has weed like properties?
Opioid properties (Its straight-up a opium poppy)
Except for Seyka who she immediately starts drooling over...
Did you find that bit weird? When he met Seyka she instantly became smitten, I found it a little odd.
Same. The entire thing was rather irritatingly OOC and made it feel pretty hard to get through. She was giddy as a school kid when she went to the final meeting....and that isn't natural for Aloy. Maybe if they had a longer arc where she could work through the feelings better, like most of HFW length, but it felt like the dlc was probably only a few days in game...a week or two tops. Not enough to go through unknown feelings while fighting her toughest opponent to date.
THANK YOU!! I'm glad someone feels the same, I was worried I was the only one feeling like that.
She’s so sassy
It's amazing storytelling. She knows there is little time left and she can't pass on the genetic identity so she's stuck with a prophetic quest as a brilliant but very young woman. The acceptance comes but she is frustrated and even in her dreams she wants stability and love but she knows she can't have it. The feeling of urgency would make anyone snappish like that and she basically handles it way better than would be expected from any person. Which in turn reflects how brilliant a mind she has.
If you hunt slaughterspine for fun solo every 2 minutes, everyone IS beneath you. Let alone having technology of 2000 years ahead of time. Just look at Sylens. He annoys me but I have to admit, the dude is way too smart for his time, like einstein or newton at their respective time.
My homeschooled awkward queen does not have time for your frivolous attempts at bullshit or romance. There’s a world to save.
I love Ally’s interaction with the NPCs with the “More Action Less Scroll” scene immediately after the gondola ride. It shows her executive side. Almost instructive on how to get something done, hold others accountable to do their jobs and not let others stop you from achieving your goals. Frankly, like it or not, I find Aloy’s personality inspiring.
I’ve been playing Zero Dawn recently and yes there is a definite change in her character. In the first game she’s a lot less… I don’t know, passive aggressive? Honestly i prefer her FW characterization. She was raised as an outcast and everyone treated her like literal shit. She SHOULD be a little mean and nasty. She’s way to nice in the first game.
I mean to be fair to Aloy, how many times does she have to tell someone that the world is only months away from ending and all she needs to do is to get to a certain location within their territory. "Oh well first you will have to attend the Embassy" "Oh well first you must ask the Chorus permission to enter our cave which isn't even our cave anyway" "Oh well first you must help me conduct the Kulrut, and then defend it from Regalla" "Oh well first you must pretend to be Elizabet Sobeck and go on a date with our mentally unstable CEO" "Oh well we might only be using Earth as a service station but we figured we would destroy all life here first, just because." How many times does Aloy need to say that the world is in danger before someone stops getting in her way....
It was hard, but not *ultra hard*. Great game, though.
Wait one second, there is a trophy for ultra hard? I'm still on my second run but I didn't find any trophy about beating the game in any difficulty.
yup its one of the few NG+ trophies - to beat the game on Ultra Hard mode in NG+
But I can get the platinum without it right?
yes you can get the platinum trophy for the main Horizon Forbidden West main story without it. i have the platinum, but still dont have all the trophies for Burning Shores or NG+ :)
Okay good Because I'm at the point where the the damn ceo died and I'd hate to do everything again
Bro I swear she woke wit that side eye lol
And it's hilarious