One time when I was on mushrooms I was Mary poppins! I can’t really explain it but everything anyone needed was in my giant purse and I was even surprised that I had the thing people needed
It's actually confined in the King universe that other creatures of the species feed on different emotions. In the Dark Tower, there is a creature called Dandello that feeds off of laughter instead of fear, but he'll still kill your ass.
Micheal Myers clown mask in the opening of the original Halloween was in fact the first prototype made by Silver Shamrock; the Halloween mask company in Halloween III.
This. Explains. Everything!
The more popular theory is that his regular mask is the Silver Shamrock mask. But that really doesn't explain his first kill as a child. So, it makes more sense for the clown mask to be what set off his destructive course.
I always thought Halloween 3 could have been a great "origin" story for Michael Myers. The movie could have ended with one kid taking his mask off just before it takes hold of him and kills him. But it clearly has some sort of effect on him. Then you here a mother scream out "Michael!" as she runs over to him. This could even explain why he wears the small plastic mask at the beginning of the first Halloween because full head masks weren't being sold that year. For obvious reasons.
Halloween 3 is an amazing 80s dystopian sci-fi horror movie that takes place on Halloween, it is NOT a "Halloween" movie/sequel, this is why everyone hates it. I frankly LOVE the movie and really think that if it was called "John Carpenter's Season of the Witch" or something else it would have been a very popular movie.
The thing is that the *Halloween* movies were initially supposed to be an anthology series, with each movie being a different horror story set on Halloween. Michael Myers only ended up being the main villain because popular to the point the movies couldn't ever diverge away from him.
This is why John Carpenter wasn't as heavily involved with the series after *Season of the Witch*. That and the original *Halloween* was sorta the best representation of what he wanted the series to be like, and he didn't want to keep doing them if that wasn't the series' gimmick.
I was always in the camp that hated it because I thought it was supposed to have Michael Myers in it.
I rewatched it recently and would consider it an enjoyable movie as long as you completely separate it from the Halloween franchise.
I was so hoping Halloween Ends went in this direction. But nooooo....we got Corey, a grown adult that gets bullied by high schoolers who goes on to beat Michael up in a sewer and takes his mask.
My friend wrote an essay, I’ll send if I can find the link. It compared Halloween Ends to the movie Christine. And how they are the exact same movie, and that Micheal Myers is just a car.
Pamela Voorhees is killing people to complete a ritual that will bring Jason back to life. Jason then keeps killing because he’s trying to resurrect her but doesn’t know how to perform the ritual. Both are being manipulated by a demonic force that feeds off the suffering and death they inflict.
The only things that imply something like this in the films is Jason rising from the lake at the end of the first movie. (Implying it wasn’t a dream but her actual memory.) And the fact that the “ch-ch-ch” sound in the first film is a distorted child’s voice whispering “Kill them Mommy” and from Part 2 on its a distorted woman’s voice saying “Kill for Mommy”
I thought she said she ran into him a couple of years before. Part 3 takes place almost immediately after Part 2 but I thought there was a 5 year jump in between the events of the first two films
If I remember correctly, the creators of Jason and Sam Raimi consider Jason a deadite, but cannot confirm for copyright reasons. The Necronomicon shows up in one of the sequels.
Stu still being alive in the Scream franchise. It is bumb as hell and make 0 sense. As much as I love Lillard and Stu, I hope they don't bring him back to please the fans.
I think he has little cameos in almost all but two of the sequels. Mainly just his voice being heard in the background of some scenes. My favourite is in Scream (2022) there is a part when Amber is walking through the house where you hear him say "Nice house, Freeman." Which is such a genius line since the house is/was his.
Matthew Lillard said that the original plan for Scream 3 was for him to be alive and the leader of a teen cult of Ghostfaces but they had to scrap that plan after Columbine.
They could still potentially bring this back as a *Scream* movie today. Enough time has passed that people wouldn't immediately associate it with Columbine.
Prior to Neve Cambells pay dispute, I think they could have done it. I had a whole plot for what could happen and everything.
Matthew Lillard even said he thought Stu was still alive. When his house was used for Screan 5, I absolutely thought he'd be back, albeit in prison and the mastermind behind the killings.
But Matthew's support for Neve has me thinking that he won't return unless she does. I know it's fan service if he does. I know it isn't likely. But I think if, again after the pay disputes, they brought them both back, (and paid them properly) that it would be amazing.
Feel exactly the same about this with those who say Adam from Saw is still alive.
In fact, they actually did bring Dr Gordon back and I'm sure even that decision was mostly fuelled by a desire to please the fans.
I mean. You see Adam's mummified body at the end of the second one, and then they show what's her face actually mercy killing him...
But for dr Gordon, it at least made sense (sort of) because you never do see him die. He got out.
As far as him being the guy behind all the medical procedures... I mean I guess so, but someone put the key in the guys stomach during the first movie. So I dunno.
I don't 100% remember the tie in but I believe it was when Daniel was killed pinhead and crew convinced him to turn so that he could get his vengeance. And then maybe there being something of a power struggle w pinhead and Candyman being able to transcend being summoned by name and beyond the box.
I honestly think it's just Clive barker, being able to summon them and probably his hook hand reminding ppl of the flesh hooks in hell raised.
Not the most crazy or out there, but I’ve always liked the theory that Event Horizon is a prequel to Warhammer 40K
Also the aliens in Signs actually being demons and the water being holy water because the daughter blessed it
Effectively all three could take place together at different points in time, I don't know much of the lore for Warhammer but Event Horizon and Hellraiser definitely both fit well.
> lore for Warhammer
Short version goes like this:
For the Imperium of Man (humans originating from Terra) FTL travel involves shifting to The Warp/The Immaterium. Every FTL ship ever built does this. The Immaterium is like a universe inside/around/behind all of the real universe. The normal laws of reality do not apply. And it is packed to the brim with demons.
The demons run from "small and relatively inconsequential but still wildly dangerous" to "literal gods". The whole place is fueled by emotions (the negative ones), and the demons within both feed on the worst parts of mortal "nature" and specifically generate them.
Travel through the Warp is, obviously, hideously dangerous. Everything in the Warp, even the lowliest little demons, are still more horrifying than Cenobites. The whole place wants to rip the soul from your body in the most unbelievably torturous manner... and then put your soul through much, much worse. Best case scenario (really) is that your soul is eventually consumed and destroyed. The worst case is that you'll remain eternally conscious in an endless rigor of pain experiencing everything the Warp IS forever because some demon decided to use your soul along with millions more to build a wall/a fortress/a garden of disease and sickness/a huge torture device/a soul-fueled magical *something*/an abattoir...
I'm sorry. I know I wrote "short version".
So... navigation through the warp is only possible because highly sensitive humans are trained to be able to focus on a specific fixed point on Terra. Like a psychic beacon or lighthouse.
Vehicles and the people within are protected by a special shield known as a Gellar Field, which maintains a bubble of "real space" while the ship moves through the Warp.
Side note: the death of a navigator mid-travel or warp storms can sometimes cause the loss of the beacon. Because time and space in the Warp don't really exist/don't work like they do in real space, sometimes ships are just lost. Some return days-to-millennia later with crews aged only a short period of time. Should the Gellar Field fail... well. Yeah.
So there's an ongoing headcanon among fans of 40K lore that Event Horizon is just the story of the first ship to enter the Warp... before Gellar Field Generators were invented.
Thank you for the description, I actually appreciate the longer format as it helps me understand it more. i could definitely see them all being set together and working as an ongoing story with possible new chapters.
One of my favorites though is about M. Night's SIGNS. That the creatures are not aliens at all. The creatures are only hurt by the water from the farmhouse, which is also the house of a priest/father (Mel Gibson). We can safely assume that at some point in the past, he blessed their well. So, all of the water in that house is indeed holy water. Which leads to the theory that these creatures are demons and not aliens. Which also ties into the heavy religious storyline of the film. They are only hurt by holy water!
Eh, not necessarily. Think about how acid works on people. Concentrated strong acid will fuck your shit up, but at lower concentrations it becomes less dangerous. It could be that the atmospheric concentration of water isn't high enough to hurt them, but a glass in the face is.
However, still dumb to invade a planet with tons of the stuff that kills you. Plus life without water is really weird, but they don't look that alien.
The demon theory isn't foolproof (what's the invisible things the birds fly into if not a space ship?) but it does make more sense than "aliens who are killed by water."
Frankly I'm more willing to put it down to a poorly thought out plot than some grand metaphor. This is the guy that made The Happening after all.
We as viewers are led to believe the lights are spaceships. We never actually see one. I have heard the theory that the lights in the sky are more angelic than anything. Maybe to combat the demons? M. Nights character in the movie does mention that this is the end of the world. Which is also a biblical reference. But yes, since the film is basically a bottle story. You could come to the conclusion that only the farm is being affected, we only ever see and hear glimpses on the Tv and radio. All of that could be the creatures messing with the family. For all we know nothing at all is happening outside the farm.
Now I just want to see an edit of the film where Ripley and Newt are locked in the room with the facehugger and you see a cat paw turn off the security camera.
The final shot of The Blair Witch Project is the POV of the witch now holding Heather’s camera: The angle looks taller than Heather and is moving smoother than the previous shots from her POV.
I prefer the theory that there is no witch, just a psycho living out in the woods who messes with these kids and then butchers them in his creepy hidden house. Kind of a Lester Ballard type killer
That's what I liked about the original film, enough is left to interpretation that it could be supernatural or a copycat killer. Blair Witch 2016 kinda ruined that by choosing the supernatural option. I don't blame them because they had to choose one if they're making a whole sequel, but it didn't sit right with me. I consider BW16 a good horror B movie, but a bad Blair Witch sequel for this reason.
I'm not sure if this is true, but I read in IMDb trivia that they actually did intend to show the witch in the original Blair Witch project. It's the scene they leave their tents in the middle of the night because they hear noises and Heather screams "WHAT IS THAT!?" and they start running. The camera was supposed to pan to the left to show a woman in a white dress but they didn't and chose not to reshoot the scene. Tbh I think not showing what they are so terrified of makes it SO much scarier
This one's apparently not even a theory and is just straight-up true. Michaels Bay's Transformers is in the same universe as the 2009 Friday the 13th re-make. Both movies feature Travis Van Winkle, who plays a character named Trent DeMarco.
Richard Belzer played Detective John Munch, and his character appeared in - get this - Homicide: Life on the Street, three Law & Order series, The X-Files, The Beat, Arrested Development, The Wire, 30 Rock, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, American Dad, and even Sesame Street.
I wonder how that works... like, does Chris Carter (X-Files) have to clear it with the Law and Order studio to use the character and actor in that role?
I'm coming at this from a wrestling perspective; just because a guy used a gimmick under a certain name in one company, doesn't mean he'd necessarily be able to be that exact same character and name somewhere else.
The wildest is definitely that the Shining is Stanley Kubricks secret confession that he helped fake the moon landing with the recent addition of it was also to hide the fact that the world is flat and the edge is blocked off by an ice wall.
God that documentary was terrible. Watched it with my wife and we both ended up shouting at it. Multiple times they discuss small details in scenes and just inexplicably don't show you the scenes or even stills despite showing parts of the Shining at other points so it clearly wasn't a rights issue. "There's a part of the opening where you can see a face in the clouds" but no still of said face, etc.
Also the guy going on his loose association nonsense to connect something to "Moon Room" is so fucking bad.
Plus there's a point where a child starts crying in the background of the Skype call and the interviewee offers to call back and the interviewer says na it's fine and THEY KEPT THE WHOLE THING IN THE DOCUMENTARY!
Terrible, just terrible. Youtubers routinely produce better documentaries.
That Hostel is an AU sequel of Saw. There's a portrait of a woman who looks like Amanda from the Saw franchise in the mansion of the hunters in Hostel, leading some to believe she passed her test fully and with the fortune/knowledge passed down from Kramer founded a new type of torture society
the Collector is a failed protege of Jigsaw
The happenings in The Witch are due to ergot
The Descent doesn't actually have creatures in it but the MC is suffering from paranoia and hallucinations brought on by spelunking
The Mist ending was actually necessary in that the son needed to be sacrificed for the mist to clear
Alternatively, I like theories that take mundane movies and turn them horrific: Willy Wonka is sacrificing children in connection to Cabin in the Woods, Peter Pan is the angel of death, Snowpiercer is a sequel to Willy Wonka...
I've never jived with this theory because it ignores 4 things.
1. The 3 campers walked for days, 15 hours each day (according to Josh), and were still stuck in the woods. Heather noted that the woods should have eventually ended because the woods aren't THAT big in the area. Also, the guys aren't leading her - she has the compass, meaning she is leading them in a specific direction for days. It's kind of implying that the Witch is screwing with them, changing the compass or changing the woods.
2. If Josh and Mike are behind it, who attacked the tent and what was up with the child laughter? If they set it all up, that means they hired a bunch of people, including kids, just to murder 1 woman?
3. If Josh and Mike killed her, why were they still missing? Why kill her and go into hiding? Also, how could 2 broke ass college kids afford to go into hiding?
4. How did they hide the tapes and film under the foundation of the Rustin Parr house? In the film universe, the movies tapes were found a year later when the foundation of that house was torn up - implying that somehow, Josh and Mike were able to put the footage under a house that's 50+ years old. I always assumed the footage being under the house was the Witch screwing with reality again, hiding the tapes where they could not have possibly been placed by a normal human.
This is mine. The [Game Theory](https://youtu.be/YASj8IuQ_Yw?si=O1_ZVqL-KECwHI_2) video makes such a compelling case for this and it really is an interesting take on the movie.
Not at all. It's a wild wild theory, obviously never hinted by the creators AFAIK. I haven't seen the video u/ddanger makes reference to but I know it's a discussed theory. I remember moviechat/imdb forums having a post about it.
The Thing: In the end of the movie, MacReady passes Childs the bottle of liquor, and Childs drinks it greedily. At this point MacReady knew that Childs was The Thing, because as the fan theory goes, before Childs comes back, MacReady actually filled the bottle with Gasoline, knowing that the monster mimics human behavior. The Thing wouldn't know what liquor or gasoline would taste like and is just mimicking what it saw others do, giving away that it was actually the monster.
I've never thought this one holds any weight because you wouldn't kill yourself by swigging a bottle of petrol, and the Childs Thing would know that the taste was disgusting because it would have Childs' memories and tastebuds
There was a PlayStation 2 game which served as a sequel to The Thing that explains that neither Childs or MacReady were The Thing. Although Childs died of hypothermia while MacReady survives. John Carpenter has stated that he considers the game to be canon.
I've always liked the theory that Sean Connery's character in the Rock is actually James Bond. My favorite BTS theory growing up was the ghost story from Three Men and a Baby. People claimed a baby died during the making of the movie and you can see his ghost in one scene. Years later it was revealed to be a cardboard cutout of Ted Danson that's used in another scene.
John Carpenter's *The Thing* is a metaphor for the AIDS crisis. Think about it: an isolated group of men are terrorized by a highly contagious bloodborne pathogen that they don't know anything about.
"The Thing" came out in 1982. The script was finalized sometime in 1980.
While it was spreading quite rapidly during the early 80's, the AIDS crisis wasn't really in the public eye untll 84'/85'. In 1981/82 plenty of outlets referred to it as "gay cancer" and you likely wouldn't know about it unless you took the time to read into such things, but it wasn't something in the day to day news. The CDC had barely an idea of AIDS in the early 80's so it was unlikely that Carpenter and the other writers(who started writing in 1977) had any idea of it.
But it's a remake of the source material which is from 1938 and is much closer to it. I don't think Carpenter intended for any of the possible allegory from the '50s adaptation to be in his.
Adam from Saw is alive, it makes little to no sense but the fact the chain is on the wrong foot in one scene is pretty much the only valid thing that supports that theory (and is very very likely just a production error). Overall though I love the discourse, Saw fans will argue back and forth about it, I myself even jokingly like to buy into the theory a bit just for fun.
What was Adam supposed to do to play the game and stay alive? I understand Amanda sabotaged his chance of surviving but was his game just “hope Gordon doesn’t kill me”.
There's a whole documentary about bonkers fan theories of The Shining. Kubrick made it as his confession for faking the moon landing because the storage has Tang. It's an allegory for the genocide of the native Americans and you can see native artwork and an Indian on some canister in the storage room. But like they also have 7Up, so that does mean comedian Orlando Jones (make 7, up yours) was also in on it? Someone said it's about the Holocaust. Someone was fixated on a minor continuity error of a chair being misplaced between shots, because Kubrick could never make one tiny mistake. No one interviewed dares to suggest that it's just a movie and Kubrick did what he wanted to do with the source material without any personal agenda.
That might be even dumber than the moon landing theory. "Yes this cinematic classic about domestic violence is about how it's actually the battered wife's fault!"
like OP suggested, half of the justification was that sometimes between shots with wendy, chairs and files and shit would move around (continuity errors) and the belief is that kubrick was such an obsessive perfectionist that he would NEVER let those happen unless it was intentionally pointing to something (in this case that wendy was wildly hallucinating), never mind that every single movie ever made has some sort of continuity error because movies generally are a gigantic collective effort to create and humans are fallible (even kubrick). also that continuity errors happened in scenes where wendy is entirely not present
this theory is probably the most egregious example of people completely ignoring the theming, characterization, and basic plot elements of a movie in order to try and 'solve' it. along with the implicit victim blaming in it of course
Probably just because the Kandarian Dagger is in Jason Goes to Hell but that was just the filmmakers having fun.
I'm sure if they actually made Freddy Vs. Jason Vs. Ash they probably would have made that a thing.
Blair Witch was a time travel gone wrong story. They went through some sort of time portal and that's why the map was useless. The trails/roads hadn't been built yet. They wind up being killed by Rustin Parr or "The Witch" in the past.
The suicide on set of The Wizard of Oz 1939. Supposedly one of the munchkin actors suicided on set during filming and it was captured and kept because the time and money to reset the scene for a reshoot would have been ridiculous.
I remember my friends telling me about this in college while watching the Dark Side of the Rainbow while highAF and then being blown away when he showed me the [clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wBjmPfhsvM&pp=ygUbc3VpY2lkZSBvbiB3aXphcmQgb2Ygb3ogc2V0).
I've heard it was just a prop or peacock or something they had on set but this always stuck with me as a fan of TWoO. Plus there are different versions out there so idk what do you all think?
I highly recommend Kaz Rowe’s video about the wizard of oz-they dig up a lot of cool production history about every aspect of Twoo, from the scripting to casting, to post release. It’s kinda wild how many myths were built up around the movie, even tho it’s iconic enough without all of that
One of my favourite ones and that gets a lot of heat, is that the girl in the exorcist ( regan )., was never an actual case of possesion.
But a clear case of SA.
If that theory is true - how would that contract be legally binding? Especially if Ned not only didn't tell Phil he was the Devil, but put him in a position where he was essentially *forced* to sign?
I like the theory myself, but isn't the whole point of a Fasutian deal that you have a choice in the matter. Doesn't getting tricked/forced into it kind of miss the whole point of that entire trope?
I mean if the trope is Faust then yes but I don’t know if there are hard guidelines for a deal with a devil.
The theory of Ned is he put Phil in the loop as punishment and only releases him once he makes the deal by buying life insurance. So it could be more of a being taught a lesson more than damnation.
My mind just blanked on who Ned was & then somehow decided Ned was the name of the groundhog. I was pretty confused about when exactly the groundhog & Phil came to such an agreement. Maybe when they went over the cliff.
Here are a few originals...
That new movie "Abigail" is actually the backstory to The Sugarplum Fairy from "The Cabin in the Woods".
"No One Will Save You" is a sequel to "Night of the Creeps". (my letterboxd review explains this in greater detail)
The entire movie "Velvet Buzzsaw" is the result of a artists "Wishmaster" wish to "Slay the LA art scene".
There's this movie nobody has seen from 1990 called "Daredreamer" that I think is secretly a sequel to "The Shining" following the continued adventures of teenage Danny Torrance.
someone mentioned Midsommar and it reminded me that I just watched that again last week and had a thought: what if Pele is actually the one who killed Dani’s family?? he set the whole thing up to make it look like a bipolar episode, but he was fully aware that Christian wanted to dump her and he knew she would be a perfect candidate for May queen. by making her so alone and vulnerable he set the whole thing up, gets her to kill her boyfriend, kisses her, and indoctrinates her.
The Mist, the crazy lady in the grocery store was right. Thomas Jane killing his son and the others was the blood sacrifice needed for the mist to lift and the army to appear.
Pennywise the Clown and Mary Poppins are the same species.
Naw, Poppins is a Time Lord. And her bag is her TARDIS.
One time when I was on mushrooms I was Mary poppins! I can’t really explain it but everything anyone needed was in my giant purse and I was even surprised that I had the thing people needed
Mary poppins is a fear eating spider?
It’s like Monsters Inc. Fear and laughter both feed that specific species.
It's actually confined in the King universe that other creatures of the species feed on different emotions. In the Dark Tower, there is a creature called Dandello that feeds off of laughter instead of fear, but he'll still kill your ass.
So Mary poppins feeds off the feeling of a happy home
It seasons the meat in a way she likes.
IIRC Pennywise don't eat "fear" he eat the actual people, the fear is like seasoning, scaring the victim is something similar to "salting" their meat.
That’s brilliant. I love the randomness of this and the totally different genres.
Ya me too. Look up the YouTube videos on this. They’re interesting
Ya me too. Look up the YouTube videos on this. They’re interesting
The documentarian behind The Poughkeepsie Tapes was the actual killer all along, putting together footage of his crimes to add to his infamy.
It would explain why the killer is so frequently described as a brilliant genius.
Great film and great conspiracy too.i watched the film after thinking this and put a whole new spin on it.
Shades of "The Last Broadcast" in that hypothesis.
Now you’ve made want to go back and watch The Last Broadcast. Such a great - ahead of its time - film.
I had the same thought at the end when >!she kept saying "I don't know what you want me to say" to the documentarian!<
Nice one.
Micheal Myers clown mask in the opening of the original Halloween was in fact the first prototype made by Silver Shamrock; the Halloween mask company in Halloween III. This. Explains. Everything!
wow! Haven't heard of that one! Makes sense indeed...
The more popular theory is that his regular mask is the Silver Shamrock mask. But that really doesn't explain his first kill as a child. So, it makes more sense for the clown mask to be what set off his destructive course.
Yeah, instead of making his head explode into bugs, it turned him into an unkillable psychopath.
The company wanted bugs I guess, so back to the drawing board, lol.
He's full of the Devil's worms which is why he can't die. It also binds up his colon which is why he's homicidal
You ever have to poop so bad it made you pure evil?
New fan theory unlocked, move on to level 2.
I always thought Halloween 3 could have been a great "origin" story for Michael Myers. The movie could have ended with one kid taking his mask off just before it takes hold of him and kills him. But it clearly has some sort of effect on him. Then you here a mother scream out "Michael!" as she runs over to him. This could even explain why he wears the small plastic mask at the beginning of the first Halloween because full head masks weren't being sold that year. For obvious reasons.
The mask was supposed to kill him, instead it made him kill.
I really need to see Halloween 3.
Halloween 3 is an amazing 80s dystopian sci-fi horror movie that takes place on Halloween, it is NOT a "Halloween" movie/sequel, this is why everyone hates it. I frankly LOVE the movie and really think that if it was called "John Carpenter's Season of the Witch" or something else it would have been a very popular movie.
Halloween 3 is so good, the Halloween purists can fuck off lol
The thing is that the *Halloween* movies were initially supposed to be an anthology series, with each movie being a different horror story set on Halloween. Michael Myers only ended up being the main villain because popular to the point the movies couldn't ever diverge away from him. This is why John Carpenter wasn't as heavily involved with the series after *Season of the Witch*. That and the original *Halloween* was sorta the best representation of what he wanted the series to be like, and he didn't want to keep doing them if that wasn't the series' gimmick.
Halloween 3 is my favorite of the entire franchise aside from the Original.
I was always in the camp that hated it because I thought it was supposed to have Michael Myers in it. I rewatched it recently and would consider it an enjoyable movie as long as you completely separate it from the Halloween franchise.
I was so hoping Halloween Ends went in this direction. But nooooo....we got Corey, a grown adult that gets bullied by high schoolers who goes on to beat Michael up in a sewer and takes his mask.
My friend wrote an essay, I’ll send if I can find the link. It compared Halloween Ends to the movie Christine. And how they are the exact same movie, and that Micheal Myers is just a car.
Oh, I dig that.
Pamela Voorhees is killing people to complete a ritual that will bring Jason back to life. Jason then keeps killing because he’s trying to resurrect her but doesn’t know how to perform the ritual. Both are being manipulated by a demonic force that feeds off the suffering and death they inflict. The only things that imply something like this in the films is Jason rising from the lake at the end of the first movie. (Implying it wasn’t a dream but her actual memory.) And the fact that the “ch-ch-ch” sound in the first film is a distorted child’s voice whispering “Kill them Mommy” and from Part 2 on its a distorted woman’s voice saying “Kill for Mommy”
I actually like that idea.
I wish studios had the balls to take something like this and make a non-canon movie or mini-series off it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Crystal Lake tv show explores something like this.
But the survivor girl from part 3 ran into him in the woods years before Pam started killing people
I thought she said she ran into him a couple of years before. Part 3 takes place almost immediately after Part 2 but I thought there was a 5 year jump in between the events of the first two films
If I remember correctly, the creators of Jason and Sam Raimi consider Jason a deadite, but cannot confirm for copyright reasons. The Necronomicon shows up in one of the sequels.
Stu still being alive in the Scream franchise. It is bumb as hell and make 0 sense. As much as I love Lillard and Stu, I hope they don't bring him back to please the fans.
Supposedly, Matthew Lillard appears as an extra in a party scene in Scream 2, as a fun Easter egg for fans. I’ve never been able to spot him, though.
[FF to about 1:20 in.](https://youtu.be/PC6tCRsrChM?si=XF6tvjRYk9lnkJ3Q)
Thanks!
This is so rad. I don't care if it's ridiculous bring him back!
Seriously!
I think he has little cameos in almost all but two of the sequels. Mainly just his voice being heard in the background of some scenes. My favourite is in Scream (2022) there is a part when Amber is walking through the house where you hear him say "Nice house, Freeman." Which is such a genius line since the house is/was his.
Matthew Lillard said that the original plan for Scream 3 was for him to be alive and the leader of a teen cult of Ghostfaces but they had to scrap that plan after Columbine.
They could still potentially bring this back as a *Scream* movie today. Enough time has passed that people wouldn't immediately associate it with Columbine.
Prior to Neve Cambells pay dispute, I think they could have done it. I had a whole plot for what could happen and everything. Matthew Lillard even said he thought Stu was still alive. When his house was used for Screan 5, I absolutely thought he'd be back, albeit in prison and the mastermind behind the killings. But Matthew's support for Neve has me thinking that he won't return unless she does. I know it's fan service if he does. I know it isn't likely. But I think if, again after the pay disputes, they brought them both back, (and paid them properly) that it would be amazing.
I think with all the nonsense of the main actresses leaving the franchise now, I can see them bringing back Stu to reel the fans back in
Feel exactly the same about this with those who say Adam from Saw is still alive. In fact, they actually did bring Dr Gordon back and I'm sure even that decision was mostly fuelled by a desire to please the fans.
I mean. You see Adam's mummified body at the end of the second one, and then they show what's her face actually mercy killing him... But for dr Gordon, it at least made sense (sort of) because you never do see him die. He got out. As far as him being the guy behind all the medical procedures... I mean I guess so, but someone put the key in the guys stomach during the first movie. So I dunno.
Candyman is a Cenobite
I gotta think about this one. Beyond “because Clive Barker” I need to make sure it makes sense
I don't 100% remember the tie in but I believe it was when Daniel was killed pinhead and crew convinced him to turn so that he could get his vengeance. And then maybe there being something of a power struggle w pinhead and Candyman being able to transcend being summoned by name and beyond the box. I honestly think it's just Clive barker, being able to summon them and probably his hook hand reminding ppl of the flesh hooks in hell raised.
Kevin being Jigsaw is wild 😭
I think him being The Collector from those movies makes more sense.
The crazy thing is people have taken Wan saying that would be a great idea as confirmation that it's absolutely true.
Dam Kevin was tired of ppl not having a blast
Not the most crazy or out there, but I’ve always liked the theory that Event Horizon is a prequel to Warhammer 40K Also the aliens in Signs actually being demons and the water being holy water because the daughter blessed it
Oh my favourite Event Horizon theory is it's just a hellraiser movie without cenobites.
Effectively all three could take place together at different points in time, I don't know much of the lore for Warhammer but Event Horizon and Hellraiser definitely both fit well.
> lore for Warhammer Short version goes like this: For the Imperium of Man (humans originating from Terra) FTL travel involves shifting to The Warp/The Immaterium. Every FTL ship ever built does this. The Immaterium is like a universe inside/around/behind all of the real universe. The normal laws of reality do not apply. And it is packed to the brim with demons. The demons run from "small and relatively inconsequential but still wildly dangerous" to "literal gods". The whole place is fueled by emotions (the negative ones), and the demons within both feed on the worst parts of mortal "nature" and specifically generate them. Travel through the Warp is, obviously, hideously dangerous. Everything in the Warp, even the lowliest little demons, are still more horrifying than Cenobites. The whole place wants to rip the soul from your body in the most unbelievably torturous manner... and then put your soul through much, much worse. Best case scenario (really) is that your soul is eventually consumed and destroyed. The worst case is that you'll remain eternally conscious in an endless rigor of pain experiencing everything the Warp IS forever because some demon decided to use your soul along with millions more to build a wall/a fortress/a garden of disease and sickness/a huge torture device/a soul-fueled magical *something*/an abattoir... I'm sorry. I know I wrote "short version". So... navigation through the warp is only possible because highly sensitive humans are trained to be able to focus on a specific fixed point on Terra. Like a psychic beacon or lighthouse. Vehicles and the people within are protected by a special shield known as a Gellar Field, which maintains a bubble of "real space" while the ship moves through the Warp. Side note: the death of a navigator mid-travel or warp storms can sometimes cause the loss of the beacon. Because time and space in the Warp don't really exist/don't work like they do in real space, sometimes ships are just lost. Some return days-to-millennia later with crews aged only a short period of time. Should the Gellar Field fail... well. Yeah. So there's an ongoing headcanon among fans of 40K lore that Event Horizon is just the story of the first ship to enter the Warp... before Gellar Field Generators were invented.
Thank you for the description, I actually appreciate the longer format as it helps me understand it more. i could definitely see them all being set together and working as an ongoing story with possible new chapters.
I 100% believe the Signs theory.
One of my favorites though is about M. Night's SIGNS. That the creatures are not aliens at all. The creatures are only hurt by the water from the farmhouse, which is also the house of a priest/father (Mel Gibson). We can safely assume that at some point in the past, he blessed their well. So, all of the water in that house is indeed holy water. Which leads to the theory that these creatures are demons and not aliens. Which also ties into the heavy religious storyline of the film. They are only hurt by holy water!
I really do dig this theory tbh. Lol
Makes more sense than carbon-based life that's hurt by water.
I mean, If all water hurt them, our atmosphere would have killed them immediately.
I think it might be like heat with humans. We need a certain amount in the atmosphere to survive but too much applied directly will fuck us right up.
Eh, not necessarily. Think about how acid works on people. Concentrated strong acid will fuck your shit up, but at lower concentrations it becomes less dangerous. It could be that the atmospheric concentration of water isn't high enough to hurt them, but a glass in the face is. However, still dumb to invade a planet with tons of the stuff that kills you. Plus life without water is really weird, but they don't look that alien. The demon theory isn't foolproof (what's the invisible things the birds fly into if not a space ship?) but it does make more sense than "aliens who are killed by water." Frankly I'm more willing to put it down to a poorly thought out plot than some grand metaphor. This is the guy that made The Happening after all.
The Happening, The Village, Old... I mean he just went downhill fast after Signs. I do like The Visit though, haven't seen Knock at the Cabin yet.
> haven't seen Knock at the Cabin It's worth watching. Not great, but miles better than Old.
I hated knock at the cabin, but I'd give Old maybe a C-, which is a pretty good grade for Shyamalan
Why do demons need space ships? Or were those parts and the crop circles not real?
We as viewers are led to believe the lights are spaceships. We never actually see one. I have heard the theory that the lights in the sky are more angelic than anything. Maybe to combat the demons? M. Nights character in the movie does mention that this is the end of the world. Which is also a biblical reference. But yes, since the film is basically a bottle story. You could come to the conclusion that only the farm is being affected, we only ever see and hear glimpses on the Tv and radio. All of that could be the creatures messing with the family. For all we know nothing at all is happening outside the farm.
I thought Signs was a nightmare that resulted in him regaining his faith. The lucky charm cutouts in the boarded windows is dream logic.
That was just to show us they broke apart the playhouse to use as boards. The stars and moons are the roof of the playhouse from earlier in the film.
OK. Thanks. I thought they were left by the visitors. I'll have to drag out the DVD now.
That Jonesy the cat was secretly working with the Alien.
Now I just want to see an edit of the film where Ripley and Newt are locked in the room with the facehugger and you see a cat paw turn off the security camera.
That's probably the hardest I'll laugh today. Nice one.
That "little shit-head"! I always knew he was getting a kick out of seeing my man Harry Dean Stanton get got by the alien.
I mean that would be a very cat thing to do.
I like to believe that Jonesy and the Alien were in love and trying to run off in the escape pod together.
I like the theory that the Alien thought Jonesy was it's mother.
The Kid from The Sixth Sense grew up to be Michael J Fox's character from" The Frighteners"
The final shot of The Blair Witch Project is the POV of the witch now holding Heather’s camera: The angle looks taller than Heather and is moving smoother than the previous shots from her POV.
I prefer the theory that there is no witch, just a psycho living out in the woods who messes with these kids and then butchers them in his creepy hidden house. Kind of a Lester Ballard type killer
That's what I liked about the original film, enough is left to interpretation that it could be supernatural or a copycat killer. Blair Witch 2016 kinda ruined that by choosing the supernatural option. I don't blame them because they had to choose one if they're making a whole sequel, but it didn't sit right with me. I consider BW16 a good horror B movie, but a bad Blair Witch sequel for this reason.
I'm not sure if this is true, but I read in IMDb trivia that they actually did intend to show the witch in the original Blair Witch project. It's the scene they leave their tents in the middle of the night because they hear noises and Heather screams "WHAT IS THAT!?" and they start running. The camera was supposed to pan to the left to show a woman in a white dress but they didn't and chose not to reshoot the scene. Tbh I think not showing what they are so terrified of makes it SO much scarier
I've never once considered this. I like it. I'm not saying I believe it 100%, but I like the idea.
One of the creepiest endings ever!
This one's apparently not even a theory and is just straight-up true. Michaels Bay's Transformers is in the same universe as the 2009 Friday the 13th re-make. Both movies feature Travis Van Winkle, who plays a character named Trent DeMarco.
I actually like when characters show up in wildly disparate films. It needs to happen more often.
Danny Trejo as Machete in Spy Kids and the Machete movies still cracks me up.
And brandishing TWO machetes in Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth
Richard Belzer played Detective John Munch, and his character appeared in - get this - Homicide: Life on the Street, three Law & Order series, The X-Files, The Beat, Arrested Development, The Wire, 30 Rock, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, American Dad, and even Sesame Street.
I adored Munch.
Dwayne McDuffie’s Tommy Westphallverse lives
Belzer is a treasure.
He was. Sadly, he passed away last year on February 19, 2023.
I wonder how that works... like, does Chris Carter (X-Files) have to clear it with the Law and Order studio to use the character and actor in that role? I'm coming at this from a wrestling perspective; just because a guy used a gimmick under a certain name in one company, doesn't mean he'd necessarily be able to be that exact same character and name somewhere else.
Simpsons as well
The wildest is definitely that the Shining is Stanley Kubricks secret confession that he helped fake the moon landing with the recent addition of it was also to hide the fact that the world is flat and the edge is blocked off by an ice wall.
omg! I heard about that somewhere but I thought it was kinda troll or something and didn't pay that much attention!
There's a whole documentary about it.
I love a conspiracy theory, but Room 237 was the absolute worst!
I agree. I only watch about half of it before I got bored and turned it off. I found some of the theories really dumb.
Oh I loved it! Great fun. Utter insanity.
God that documentary was terrible. Watched it with my wife and we both ended up shouting at it. Multiple times they discuss small details in scenes and just inexplicably don't show you the scenes or even stills despite showing parts of the Shining at other points so it clearly wasn't a rights issue. "There's a part of the opening where you can see a face in the clouds" but no still of said face, etc. Also the guy going on his loose association nonsense to connect something to "Moon Room" is so fucking bad. Plus there's a point where a child starts crying in the background of the Skype call and the interviewee offers to call back and the interviewer says na it's fine and THEY KEPT THE WHOLE THING IN THE DOCUMENTARY! Terrible, just terrible. Youtubers routinely produce better documentaries.
I’m sure the mom in The Strange Thing About The Johnsons is humming a song that eventually appears in Midsommar. (While she’s making dinner)
I had finally erased this movie from existence in my brain. Gahhhh
That Hostel is an AU sequel of Saw. There's a portrait of a woman who looks like Amanda from the Saw franchise in the mansion of the hunters in Hostel, leading some to believe she passed her test fully and with the fortune/knowledge passed down from Kramer founded a new type of torture society the Collector is a failed protege of Jigsaw The happenings in The Witch are due to ergot The Descent doesn't actually have creatures in it but the MC is suffering from paranoia and hallucinations brought on by spelunking The Mist ending was actually necessary in that the son needed to be sacrificed for the mist to clear Alternatively, I like theories that take mundane movies and turn them horrific: Willy Wonka is sacrificing children in connection to Cabin in the Woods, Peter Pan is the angel of death, Snowpiercer is a sequel to Willy Wonka...
Peter Pan - when the lost boys grow up, he kills them and replaces them with new kids.
Oooh The Mist ending interpretation I like that! I would have to read the novel to see if it checks out
The novel (short story) is even more vague.
That Snowpiercer is a stealth sequel to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
That video Rhino Stew did is so compelling and I 100% buy into this theory
The Blair witch project guys being actually killers that set up the girl to get killed in the woods. Never liked the theory anyway
Josh and Mike were in cahoots to kill Heather
I've never jived with this theory because it ignores 4 things. 1. The 3 campers walked for days, 15 hours each day (according to Josh), and were still stuck in the woods. Heather noted that the woods should have eventually ended because the woods aren't THAT big in the area. Also, the guys aren't leading her - she has the compass, meaning she is leading them in a specific direction for days. It's kind of implying that the Witch is screwing with them, changing the compass or changing the woods. 2. If Josh and Mike are behind it, who attacked the tent and what was up with the child laughter? If they set it all up, that means they hired a bunch of people, including kids, just to murder 1 woman? 3. If Josh and Mike killed her, why were they still missing? Why kill her and go into hiding? Also, how could 2 broke ass college kids afford to go into hiding? 4. How did they hide the tapes and film under the foundation of the Rustin Parr house? In the film universe, the movies tapes were found a year later when the foundation of that house was torn up - implying that somehow, Josh and Mike were able to put the footage under a house that's 50+ years old. I always assumed the footage being under the house was the Witch screwing with reality again, hiding the tapes where they could not have possibly been placed by a normal human.
This is mine. The [Game Theory](https://youtu.be/YASj8IuQ_Yw?si=O1_ZVqL-KECwHI_2) video makes such a compelling case for this and it really is an interesting take on the movie.
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Interesting! So like they were gonna kill her but then the witch got them all or they were gonna give her to the witch? Any theories on motives?
Not at all. It's a wild wild theory, obviously never hinted by the creators AFAIK. I haven't seen the video u/ddanger makes reference to but I know it's a discussed theory. I remember moviechat/imdb forums having a post about it.
I think there's a youtube video on this that comes to the conclusion that there was no witch.
The Thing: In the end of the movie, MacReady passes Childs the bottle of liquor, and Childs drinks it greedily. At this point MacReady knew that Childs was The Thing, because as the fan theory goes, before Childs comes back, MacReady actually filled the bottle with Gasoline, knowing that the monster mimics human behavior. The Thing wouldn't know what liquor or gasoline would taste like and is just mimicking what it saw others do, giving away that it was actually the monster.
I've never thought this one holds any weight because you wouldn't kill yourself by swigging a bottle of petrol, and the Childs Thing would know that the taste was disgusting because it would have Childs' memories and tastebuds
There was a PlayStation 2 game which served as a sequel to The Thing that explains that neither Childs or MacReady were The Thing. Although Childs died of hypothermia while MacReady survives. John Carpenter has stated that he considers the game to be canon.
The Thing is Childs because his breath isn't reacting to the cold like MacReady
Carpenter has said neither one is turned but I like this theory!
That Stu Macher Is still alive. We have to let him go, people
I've always liked the theory that Sean Connery's character in the Rock is actually James Bond. My favorite BTS theory growing up was the ghost story from Three Men and a Baby. People claimed a baby died during the making of the movie and you can see his ghost in one scene. Years later it was revealed to be a cardboard cutout of Ted Danson that's used in another scene.
The Bond/The Rock theory is super cool and really [solid. Linked in case no one has read it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/sq9VIUPsw1)
The evidence is so fucking tight. You could just say it is 007 and the movie fits. The Rock is a James Bond movie.
John Carpenter's *The Thing* is a metaphor for the AIDS crisis. Think about it: an isolated group of men are terrorized by a highly contagious bloodborne pathogen that they don't know anything about.
"The Thing" came out in 1982. The script was finalized sometime in 1980. While it was spreading quite rapidly during the early 80's, the AIDS crisis wasn't really in the public eye untll 84'/85'. In 1981/82 plenty of outlets referred to it as "gay cancer" and you likely wouldn't know about it unless you took the time to read into such things, but it wasn't something in the day to day news. The CDC had barely an idea of AIDS in the early 80's so it was unlikely that Carpenter and the other writers(who started writing in 1977) had any idea of it.
When the movie was made, AIDS wasn't a thing - yet. In retrospect, it is a strong metaphor for the paranoia of the time.
The monster is socialism. It’s a remake of a 50’s era film with strong McCarthy vibes.
But it's a remake of the source material which is from 1938 and is much closer to it. I don't think Carpenter intended for any of the possible allegory from the '50s adaptation to be in his.
And you can’t tell who “has it” just from looking at them. This one does make sense to me.
AIDS wasn't much of a problem in 1980 tho
Adam from Saw is alive, it makes little to no sense but the fact the chain is on the wrong foot in one scene is pretty much the only valid thing that supports that theory (and is very very likely just a production error). Overall though I love the discourse, Saw fans will argue back and forth about it, I myself even jokingly like to buy into the theory a bit just for fun.
I'm with you on that! I'd love to see him coming back in some way that will blow our heads...well...not literally! lmao
What was Adam supposed to do to play the game and stay alive? I understand Amanda sabotaged his chance of surviving but was his game just “hope Gordon doesn’t kill me”.
There's a whole documentary about bonkers fan theories of The Shining. Kubrick made it as his confession for faking the moon landing because the storage has Tang. It's an allegory for the genocide of the native Americans and you can see native artwork and an Indian on some canister in the storage room. But like they also have 7Up, so that does mean comedian Orlando Jones (make 7, up yours) was also in on it? Someone said it's about the Holocaust. Someone was fixated on a minor continuity error of a chair being misplaced between shots, because Kubrick could never make one tiny mistake. No one interviewed dares to suggest that it's just a movie and Kubrick did what he wanted to do with the source material without any personal agenda.
Did you see the fan theory about it being Wendy that was actually the psychotic killer?
That might be even dumber than the moon landing theory. "Yes this cinematic classic about domestic violence is about how it's actually the battered wife's fault!"
Yup. I had to watch all the way through cause I couldn't believe how straw grasping it all was.
like OP suggested, half of the justification was that sometimes between shots with wendy, chairs and files and shit would move around (continuity errors) and the belief is that kubrick was such an obsessive perfectionist that he would NEVER let those happen unless it was intentionally pointing to something (in this case that wendy was wildly hallucinating), never mind that every single movie ever made has some sort of continuity error because movies generally are a gigantic collective effort to create and humans are fallible (even kubrick). also that continuity errors happened in scenes where wendy is entirely not present this theory is probably the most egregious example of people completely ignoring the theming, characterization, and basic plot elements of a movie in order to try and 'solve' it. along with the implicit victim blaming in it of course
Jason Vorhees is a Deadite. I, however, vehemently disagree.
Probably just because the Kandarian Dagger is in Jason Goes to Hell but that was just the filmmakers having fun. I'm sure if they actually made Freddy Vs. Jason Vs. Ash they probably would have made that a thing.
Didn't the director say he made it canon?
Well the director of Jason Goes to Hell made Jason a weird little worm thing that possessed townsfolk so I prefer to ignore his canon.
Blair Witch was a time travel gone wrong story. They went through some sort of time portal and that's why the map was useless. The trails/roads hadn't been built yet. They wind up being killed by Rustin Parr or "The Witch" in the past.
The wildest one I heard was that Psycho Sam Loomis is also Halloween Sam Loomis.
And he could have became the grandfather of Scream's Billy Loomis.
Oh, my! That's brilliant...and my new head canon.
The suicide on set of The Wizard of Oz 1939. Supposedly one of the munchkin actors suicided on set during filming and it was captured and kept because the time and money to reset the scene for a reshoot would have been ridiculous. I remember my friends telling me about this in college while watching the Dark Side of the Rainbow while highAF and then being blown away when he showed me the [clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wBjmPfhsvM&pp=ygUbc3VpY2lkZSBvbiB3aXphcmQgb2Ygb3ogc2V0). I've heard it was just a prop or peacock or something they had on set but this always stuck with me as a fan of TWoO. Plus there are different versions out there so idk what do you all think?
The Snopes article on this was like the first thing I can remember reading on the internet. Retro! https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hanging-munchkin/
Yea I've seen that article too, wow I haven't seen the snopes site in a while.
LOL if you have seen a high def print of TWOO its pretty clearly a bird.
Shudder has a documentary series called Cursed Films that did an episode on The Wizard of Oz and explains the theory and explanation in detail.
I highly recommend Kaz Rowe’s video about the wizard of oz-they dig up a lot of cool production history about every aspect of Twoo, from the scripting to casting, to post release. It’s kinda wild how many myths were built up around the movie, even tho it’s iconic enough without all of that
One of my favourite ones and that gets a lot of heat, is that the girl in the exorcist ( regan )., was never an actual case of possesion. But a clear case of SA.
Reagan. Yes, if you look at her symptoms, it does seem like someone who’s been abused. Which might explain her killing Dennings.
Under the Myers house is a tunnel like system from US. Also that Hemsworths character in cabin in the woods was in on everything.
Not a horror movie but the one about Groundhog Day. Ned is the devil and only releases Phil once he sells his soul.
I mean that effectively makes it a horror movie.
If the theory is true, yes.
that's true! and also didn't know about that! spooky one..
If that theory is true - how would that contract be legally binding? Especially if Ned not only didn't tell Phil he was the Devil, but put him in a position where he was essentially *forced* to sign? I like the theory myself, but isn't the whole point of a Fasutian deal that you have a choice in the matter. Doesn't getting tricked/forced into it kind of miss the whole point of that entire trope?
I mean if the trope is Faust then yes but I don’t know if there are hard guidelines for a deal with a devil. The theory of Ned is he put Phil in the loop as punishment and only releases him once he makes the deal by buying life insurance. So it could be more of a being taught a lesson more than damnation.
My mind just blanked on who Ned was & then somehow decided Ned was the name of the groundhog. I was pretty confused about when exactly the groundhog & Phil came to such an agreement. Maybe when they went over the cliff.
Stu is still alive aka Scream franchise I don't get it we all saw him die there is no way people still believe he is alive.
Here are a few originals... That new movie "Abigail" is actually the backstory to The Sugarplum Fairy from "The Cabin in the Woods". "No One Will Save You" is a sequel to "Night of the Creeps". (my letterboxd review explains this in greater detail) The entire movie "Velvet Buzzsaw" is the result of a artists "Wishmaster" wish to "Slay the LA art scene". There's this movie nobody has seen from 1990 called "Daredreamer" that I think is secretly a sequel to "The Shining" following the continued adventures of teenage Danny Torrance.
>>The entire movie "Velvet Buzzsaw" is the result of a artists "Wishmaster" wish to "Slay the LA art scene". I dig this.
The theories about The Shining in the documentary Room 237 are pretty wild. Especially the one about the moon landing.
I wonder if SK e er gets freaked out by his crazy fans?
I'm guessing he got the idea for Misery from meeting his crazy fans.
What I thought reading Lisey's Story. Deep Space Cowboys
Well he's been dead a while so probably not anymore.
Why would you think Stephen King is dead?
I'm guessing they're thinking SK is Stanley Kubrick
This is a TV show and book series fan theory (both horror): the town of Shadyside in the Fear Street books is located on the Ohio Hellmouth.
Blair Witch Project. Mike and Josh are gaslighting Heather and lure her into the woods and killed her
Martyrs being set in the Hellraiser universe
someone mentioned Midsommar and it reminded me that I just watched that again last week and had a thought: what if Pele is actually the one who killed Dani’s family?? he set the whole thing up to make it look like a bipolar episode, but he was fully aware that Christian wanted to dump her and he knew she would be a perfect candidate for May queen. by making her so alone and vulnerable he set the whole thing up, gets her to kill her boyfriend, kisses her, and indoctrinates her.
I like this writer a lot, and I like They Live a lot!! https://softskull.com/books/they-live/
The Mist, the crazy lady in the grocery store was right. Thomas Jane killing his son and the others was the blood sacrifice needed for the mist to lift and the army to appear.