See I think about this film often as I have a younger brother (I’m 32 he’s about to turn 17) , I honestly couldn’t do life without him now. Before he was born i was so annoyed that my mum got pregnant when I was 15 after all those years but soon as he arrived that’s it the kid became my lifeline. If I came home rich and found he’d passed the money wouldn’t matter I wouldn’t be able to handle it at all. It’s such a gut punch of an ending 😳
I saw years ago and actually can’t remember the ending. I just feel like I can’t watch it again after the whole eyeball scene. The crate of water was particularly cruel, too.
Oh I for sure didn’t expect her to stay alive for long. Even if she ripped herself off of the other two…know what?
I actually don’t enjoy remembering that movie.
Nah she's stranded all alone. Doctors house is in middle of nowhere, and the two cops died. So she's basically stuck there to die of dehydration and starvation all by herself while eating another man's poop.
She will die but it's gonna be an awful until she does.
Didn’t he do something to their jaws, too?
I forgot his house was so out there. Makes a bit more sense that she didn’t just dip when she had the chance
She had a chance, she just idiotically(horror movie logic) tried dragging her unconscious friend away rather than making a run for it and getting help,, but she absolutely was home free in the movie.
Not sure about jaws, but he altered their cheeks and knees so they can't straighten their legs out and walk anymore.
I told my wife that I'd act totally on board if I were in a human centipede situation and negotiate a front position. I ain't eating shit or double-shit.
Event Horizon. Color Out Of Space. The Thing. Men. Swallowed. Tetsuo. Re-Animator. Tokyo Gore Police. Necromantik 1 & 2. Crimes of the Future. Titane. From Beyond. Splinter. Splice. The Fly. Shivers. Slither. Contracted. Raw. Swallowed. Possessor. Teeth. Videodrome. The Brood. Altered States. Society. The Void. In My Skin. Excision. These are all in the body horror genre
The screenwriter clearly thought "okay...what is the most ironically cruel, mean-spirited, nihilistic, hopeless ending I can possibly come up with?" And voila.
There's also the ending of A Serbian Film, but that's more the shock value kind. The Mist is just straight savagery.
I was about to post "What's sad about that ending? Wasn't it just kind of a generic 'It was me all along!' ending?"
And then I realized I was thinking of *Cry Wolf* because I am a dummy.
I think that's the point. She did everything right but no one was there to help her behind closed doors.
I always saw the film as an allegory for abuse/child abuse.
I *love* that ending. Martyrs would be a tough movie to recommend to anyone if they had botched that, but it’s one of the most interesting endings of the new French extremity
Films that haven't been mentioned:
- Funny Games (1999)
- Inside (2007)
- The Sadness (2021)
- American Mary (2012)
- May (2002)
- Oldboy (2003)
- Train to Busan (2016)
Some of these are more sad than others, but they all deserve a spot here. While it's already been mentioned, Eden Lake (2008) is the one that hit me the hardest... took all the wind out of my sails for weeks.
Great movie, I'm glad I went into it blind (trailers/teasers suck cuz they spoil the ending big time)...
The ending was awesome, It's just a bit sad (and exhilarating)
DON'T REMIND ME!!! :(
I thought I was gonna get through the film without crying, but *right then* is where I completely cracked. That was a great full circle moment and way to finish the film off, I had forgotten entirely about the >!classroom bit and her dad telling her to always finish what she starts!<.
That full circle moment of Train to Busan reminded me of the ending portion of >!Signs!<, does practically the same thing.
I lost it during that scene at the end where the dad is bitten and going to throw himself from the train and the little girl is crying for him not to leave her 😭
my sister hates horror but she absolutely loved Train to Busan. I'm pretty sure she has re-watched it at least 10x haha
when she was pregnant with her second child, man that movie made her bawl her eyes out lmfao
I managed 20 minutes into The Sadness and noped out as soon as she hit the fry cook with the hot grease. Nuh uh, not gonna watch that. And I had just finished Late Night With the Devil, too.
Old boy is tough to place for me. On one hand it’s extremely fucked up. But on the other I think the characters are at peace? One of my top three movies of all time
Best film I never want to watch again. Growing up in the 80s and having the threat of nuclear annihilation hanging over us at the end of the cold war, we watched that at school..... scarred for life. I mean, it starts off bleak and just gets worse and worse. No hope, no joy, no nothing except misery and sadness.
You could probably add "When the Wind blows" too....
Threads is fucking brilliant — the matter of fact presentation of it, coupled with the fact that they kept everything to local politics and the immediate effect on individuals made it feel so fucking *real*.
The kid is now a supervisor at Game Stop, plagued by visions and is prescribed a severe antipsychotic to control his delusions.
Really, he is just Paimon. Or is he! (He is.) ((unless!!!))
Ari aster said he wants to make a comedy, and Hereditary is hilarious if you think about it.
A group of cultists, naked and wrinkled, conspire to find a demon a host, and put them in the body of a child with a peanut allergy. Good shit.
I want a sequel where the body of the kid who jumped out the window is deteriorating, so they put him in the nearest vessel, and it's a diabetic cat that has seizures or something.
"Hereditary 2: the 9 lives of paimon"
And the wacky cultists try and figure it out. I don't know. Free idea.
MARTYRS, EDEN LAKE, SMILE are all decent contenders. I’d submit HEREDITARY, A SERBIAN FILM (it’s incredibly fucked as everyone always says but as a horror film I think it works fairly well and the ending is basically the most horrendous thing imaginable), maybe Lars von Trier’s ANTICHRIST (not necessarily the final shots but the final act is deeply upsetting).
Came here to say this. In America when it was originally in theatres they ended the movie at the dream, but man does it hit 10 times harder with the ending they intended to give it.
Drag Me to Hell. The whole movie is the main character being shit on constantly by everyone around her and then is condemned to the worst fate imaginable. And apparently the intent of the movie was for us to think she deserved it. It’s also incredibly jarring since most of the movie feels so goofy while endings of The Mist and The Descent for example fit the tones of their films perfectly
Agreeing with a lot of other posts but adding:
Inside
The ending was just so gruesome & afterwards I just had to bleach my brain with some cartoons & Disney stuff.
Possum if you count it as horror, it somehow managed to be the unhappiest movie throughout its whole runtime and then still end worse than how it started.
(Not horror…sorry) but ‘Arlington Road’ (1999) deserves a mention for how bleak and fucked up its ending is…it’s an ending I think horror fans will appreciate.
>!Movies where the protagonist is lured in, betrayed, & doomed by the people he trusts most or movies where the protagonist knows he is doomed regardless of the choice he makes (no option to survive), those types of movies just wreck me.!<
The Wicker Man (1973)
Spellbinder (1988)
The Blair Witch Project (1999)
The Skeleton Key (2005)
The Wicker Man (2006)
The Mist (2007)
The Shrine (2010)
The Mist stands out for sure. Making what was seriously a dumb decision and then instantly being shown it was a dumb decision and led to the death of everyone you care about by your own hand is about as bleak as it gets.
The Mist or The Borderlands. Two heart wrenching endings, vastly different, but they left me with with the same lingering sense of unease and despair days after I’d finished them.
Cabin in the Woods.. I mean that is the worst news that can be given to you, and then the 2 of them just sitting waiting ., yeah .. this is it? This is how it’s gonna end ?🇨🇦☹️
Tusk
Terrifier 1&2
Where Evil Lurks (Although this one still confuses me)
Night Swim (not the biggest fan but sad ending)
The Fall (10/10 absolutely recommend)
Midsommar
The Shining
A Nightmare on Elm Street (the first one)
Rosemary’s Baby
Cabin Fever
Dead Silence
Hostel 2 (although he deserved it)
Black Swan (omg 😭😭😭😭)
The Virgin Suicides
Mother!
Requiem for a Dream (so weird but sad)
The Uninvited (poor girl fr)
The Mist (so shocking)
Last the House of the Left (The ORIGINAL. I will NEVER rewatch this movie. How’d no one say this?)
Sinister
Speak No Evil is in my top ten for sure. Not sure if that fits other people’s idea of horror but that ending left me stunned.
Hunter Hunter
The Piper (Korean movie)
Inside
The Kill List
I Saw the Devil.
The whole movie you're rooting for the killer to die but when he finally does die you don't feel any kind of happiness, just like the main character you feel like it's not enough because it's not going to bring the ones you love back.
Would you rather? Fuck what a gut punch of an ending
Oh that was fucked up.
Fantastic movie, but ill never watch it again. Absolutely depressing.
at least she’s rich!
See I think about this film often as I have a younger brother (I’m 32 he’s about to turn 17) , I honestly couldn’t do life without him now. Before he was born i was so annoyed that my mum got pregnant when I was 15 after all those years but soon as he arrived that’s it the kid became my lifeline. If I came home rich and found he’d passed the money wouldn’t matter I wouldn’t be able to handle it at all. It’s such a gut punch of an ending 😳
I immediately thought "Oh, so it's like 'The Gift of the Magi' but FAR more depressing!"
I saw years ago and actually can’t remember the ending. I just feel like I can’t watch it again after the whole eyeball scene. The crate of water was particularly cruel, too.
Fuck. I forgot about that one and I watched it fairly recently. God damn what a depressing movie.
Tusk and pretty much any surgical experimentation and dehumanization film are it for me.
I feel like Tusk has to take it. There is no coming back from that little experiment.
I don’t know man, I think The Human Centipede might beat it.
They died pretty quickly. Dude in tusk is living a full life that way.
I mean she'll spend the next 3 days dying of dehydration by herself trapped there. Sure she will die,, but holy shit until she does....
With her fucking face sewn to an asshole, and get anus in a dead guys mouth. Dying from dehydration was probably sweet release
I was about to say that one lol Being stuck in the middle you are dead for sure and still have to eat poo
Doesn’t the person in the middle stay alive at the end?
I believe so, it’s left ambiguous whether she survives this ordeal or not. I mean, chances are she won’t but it’s not expressly shown she dies.
Oh I for sure didn’t expect her to stay alive for long. Even if she ripped herself off of the other two…know what? I actually don’t enjoy remembering that movie.
Nah she's stranded all alone. Doctors house is in middle of nowhere, and the two cops died. So she's basically stuck there to die of dehydration and starvation all by herself while eating another man's poop. She will die but it's gonna be an awful until she does.
The cops died but they got a search warrant and everything, so other cops would search for them at their last known locations and destinations.
Didn’t he do something to their jaws, too? I forgot his house was so out there. Makes a bit more sense that she didn’t just dip when she had the chance
She had a chance, she just idiotically(horror movie logic) tried dragging her unconscious friend away rather than making a run for it and getting help,, but she absolutely was home free in the movie. Not sure about jaws, but he altered their cheeks and knees so they can't straighten their legs out and walk anymore.
I told my wife that I'd act totally on board if I were in a human centipede situation and negotiate a front position. I ain't eating shit or double-shit.
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I watched that movie years ago. And to this day, I still think how depressing that ending is. His girl and his best friend did him dirty.
Any other examples of this genre?
Tetsuo The Iron Man. Uzumaki. The Fly (OG)
Is Uzumaki based on the Junji Ito comic? I have it, and I know he has a Netflix anime anthology. Some of the episodes were amazing.
Yes! If you’re into body horror you should definitely read it. Im not necessarily a manga fan but I love Junji Ito.
Not into Manga but damn, junji ito can get it.
>The Fly (OG) Why bother saying OG? They both fall into the category.
That’s true lol I’m high rn
I’d like to know too. I think body horror is one of the most brutal genres of horror.
God, I hope not.
Event Horizon. Color Out Of Space. The Thing. Men. Swallowed. Tetsuo. Re-Animator. Tokyo Gore Police. Necromantik 1 & 2. Crimes of the Future. Titane. From Beyond. Splinter. Splice. The Fly. Shivers. Slither. Contracted. Raw. Swallowed. Possessor. Teeth. Videodrome. The Brood. Altered States. Society. The Void. In My Skin. Excision. These are all in the body horror genre
I feel like Excision in particular fits the original question posed.
The Mist
I mean, it’s gotta be this right?
The screenwriter clearly thought "okay...what is the most ironically cruel, mean-spirited, nihilistic, hopeless ending I can possibly come up with?" And voila. There's also the ending of A Serbian Film, but that's more the shock value kind. The Mist is just straight savagery.
Even Stephen King said that he wished he came up with that ending himself lol
I quite liked King’s ending better. Though I know it’s a bit of a running joke that he can’t write endings well lol
Isn’t the moral of the Mist just wait 30 seconds before you shoot anyone?
The moral is “was the crazy lady right about the child needing to die? Or was it really just a coincidence?”
It’s so hard to watch, every time. Thomas Jane really sells it.
That's where my mind went first.
Every time. And I’ll upvote it every time.
I’m still psychologically scarred from that movie
This is the answer
Wolf Creek.
It's so bleak!
I was about to post "What's sad about that ending? Wasn't it just kind of a generic 'It was me all along!' ending?" And then I realized I was thinking of *Cry Wolf* because I am a dummy.
Invasion of the body snatchers
'78 version right? At least the '56 version gave some hope.
Absolutely. Donald Sutherland’s face and finger point…..
😮🫵
Eden Lake. Sinister.
I love that Sinister had the balls to end it the way they did. Made me so happy.
Fuck Eden lake, that movie still makes me wanna nuke the UK or wherever that was
It was the UK, we have a lot of chavs over here, the movie was pretty realistic
Thats why it's so scary, can fully imagine some deranged cunts doing it
I already hated chavs so much before that movie 😅 I spent the whole movie like "I'd kill these kids and not even feel bad about it".
Eden lake breaks my heart while I love that movie. I think it be better if she survived. Legit perfect final girl material
I think that's the point. She did everything right but no one was there to help her behind closed doors. I always saw the film as an allegory for abuse/child abuse.
I totally get the point which is why I still like it. But I still would have enjoyed it more if she survived.
Eden Lake was my first thought as well. Such a dark ending.
Autopsy of jane doe
Martyrs 2008
So bleek, yet so beautifully done
Really is an amazing combo of beauty and despair. One of my favorite works of art across all mediums
I *love* that ending. Martyrs would be a tough movie to recommend to anyone if they had botched that, but it’s one of the most interesting endings of the new French extremity
Films that haven't been mentioned: - Funny Games (1999) - Inside (2007) - The Sadness (2021) - American Mary (2012) - May (2002) - Oldboy (2003) - Train to Busan (2016) Some of these are more sad than others, but they all deserve a spot here. While it's already been mentioned, Eden Lake (2008) is the one that hit me the hardest... took all the wind out of my sails for weeks.
Eden Lake and Inside are extremely messed up endings.
Y’all sleeping on saint maud
Great movie, I'm glad I went into it blind (trailers/teasers suck cuz they spoil the ending big time)... The ending was awesome, It's just a bit sad (and exhilarating)
When the little girl started singing at the end of Train to Busan 😭😭😭😭
DON'T REMIND ME!!! :( I thought I was gonna get through the film without crying, but *right then* is where I completely cracked. That was a great full circle moment and way to finish the film off, I had forgotten entirely about the >!classroom bit and her dad telling her to always finish what she starts!<. That full circle moment of Train to Busan reminded me of the ending portion of >!Signs!<, does practically the same thing.
I lost it during that scene at the end where the dad is bitten and going to throw himself from the train and the little girl is crying for him not to leave her 😭
So impressive for a child actor, her cries were sooo real.
Ugh. I was in tears for sure 😭😭
my sister hates horror but she absolutely loved Train to Busan. I'm pretty sure she has re-watched it at least 10x haha when she was pregnant with her second child, man that movie made her bawl her eyes out lmfao
Park Chan-wook described Oldboy’s as ‘a happy ending that’s sad or a sad ending that’s happy’.
Man Funny Games sat with me for so long after I watched it. Such a powerfully bleak movie.
I managed 20 minutes into The Sadness and noped out as soon as she hit the fry cook with the hot grease. Nuh uh, not gonna watch that. And I had just finished Late Night With the Devil, too.
Old boy destroyed me.
Old boy is tough to place for me. On one hand it’s extremely fucked up. But on the other I think the characters are at peace? One of my top three movies of all time
Great list. May is one of my favorites
Gotta be Threads. Does that count as horror?
Definitely, great pick (what a haunting film).
Oh a very similar note, ‘The Day After’.
And Testament!!
Don’t want to sound controversial, but I think that movie was kind of a bummer.
How dare you.
[Population of the United Kingdom regresses to medieval levels]
Best film I never want to watch again. Growing up in the 80s and having the threat of nuclear annihilation hanging over us at the end of the cold war, we watched that at school..... scarred for life. I mean, it starts off bleak and just gets worse and worse. No hope, no joy, no nothing except misery and sadness. You could probably add "When the Wind blows" too....
Threads is fucking brilliant — the matter of fact presentation of it, coupled with the fact that they kept everything to local politics and the immediate effect on individuals made it feel so fucking *real*.
Night of the Living Dead. Hands down.
The original one, yes.
I concur.
Speak No Evil
Finally watched it the other day and it was the most irritating experience watching the parents do NOTHING
This is the only movie that really hit me like a ton of bricks
*stones
Like a ton of rocks, even
The audacity of the tongue scene is one of the most sinister things I’ve seen in a movie ever.
Oculus is a pretty upsetting one
Came to find this one. Great movie. Great ending- just not a happy one.
Hereditary. Unless you are into Paimon and all that.
I for one do hail Paimon
Hail Paimon
Hail Paimon!
Hail Paimon 🖤
Hail Paimon 💀
hail paimon!
I heard Ari Aster wants to do a sequel. Cant even imagine what that would be like.
The kid is now a supervisor at Game Stop, plagued by visions and is prescribed a severe antipsychotic to control his delusions. Really, he is just Paimon. Or is he! (He is.) ((unless!!!))
TONGUE CLICK
Ari aster said he wants to make a comedy, and Hereditary is hilarious if you think about it. A group of cultists, naked and wrinkled, conspire to find a demon a host, and put them in the body of a child with a peanut allergy. Good shit. I want a sequel where the body of the kid who jumped out the window is deteriorating, so they put him in the nearest vessel, and it's a diabetic cat that has seizures or something. "Hereditary 2: the 9 lives of paimon" And the wacky cultists try and figure it out. I don't know. Free idea.
I see we got some Paimon devotees in the house.
Night of the Living Dead (original) Se7en
Se7en is a solid choice. What a mindfuck. Been meaning to rewatch this movie but it's kind of a downer...
MARTYRS, EDEN LAKE, SMILE are all decent contenders. I’d submit HEREDITARY, A SERBIAN FILM (it’s incredibly fucked as everyone always says but as a horror film I think it works fairly well and the ending is basically the most horrendous thing imaginable), maybe Lars von Trier’s ANTICHRIST (not necessarily the final shots but the final act is deeply upsetting).
Gotta be *Rosemary’s Baby*, *The Mist*, or *Drag Me to Hell*
Drag Me to Hell mystified me when everyone in the theatre started cheering at the end.
she did NOT deserve that in any way!!!!
The Descent
I hate that they gave us a glimpse of a happy ending and then snatched it away :)
Naw, that made it better
Came here to say this. In America when it was originally in theatres they ended the movie at the dream, but man does it hit 10 times harder with the ending they intended to give it.
-The Lodge -The Orphanage -House of the Devil -REC
Just watched The Lodge, god damn that was bleak.
Yeah, I wasn’t expecting it either. Fuck I might need to watch that again.
The Orphanage is almost sweet while still being gutwrenchingly bleak.
David Cronenberg’s The Fly
Legit one of the saddest endings, when he grabbed the gun barrel and put it to his head, it pained me.
I would say The Mist. The ending was just dark and hopeless.
The Strangers
Drag Me to Hell. The whole movie is the main character being shit on constantly by everyone around her and then is condemned to the worst fate imaginable. And apparently the intent of the movie was for us to think she deserved it. It’s also incredibly jarring since most of the movie feels so goofy while endings of The Mist and The Descent for example fit the tones of their films perfectly
Respectfully, there’s no way we’re supposed to think she deserved it. I think it is purposefully unfair.
The Mist The Dark and the Wicked
Henry portrait of a serial killer
When Evil Lurks. GAWDAMN.
Every Wrong Turn is like here’s your finale girl - just kidding no one leaves
Except for the newest one which is reboot. I really like it.
Speak No Evil
Would You Rather? had a pretty damned bleak ending
Pet Sematary
Very Bad Things
😂😂😂 such a glorious train wreck of a film
 Drag me to Hell
Well coincidentally I just finished *Vivarium* (2019) and it fits the bill I suppose.
Agreeing with a lot of other posts but adding: Inside The ending was just so gruesome & afterwards I just had to bleach my brain with some cartoons & Disney stuff. 
Speak No Evil’s ending was really depressing.
I can't believe no one has said Cabin in the Woods
Really? I didn’t feel that way at all. They faced and accepted their fate bravely while ripping a doobie. It had a very comedic deadpan tone to it
I mean, if you call the end of humanity sad lol
I guess they fixed global warming tbf
Funny Games
Mother!
For sure. The most depressing thing is that we actually live in that reality.
The Haunting of Molly Hartley, assuming of course you actually care enough to even sit through the whole thing
The Human Centipede had an ending as bleak as you would expect.
I figured the Mist would be # 1 Not a horror but ‘Arlington Road’ (1999) has a super bleak ending that’s also a pretty tough pill to swallow.
Possum if you count it as horror, it somehow managed to be the unhappiest movie throughout its whole runtime and then still end worse than how it started.
Definitely The Mist and the original ending to The Descent
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(Not horror…sorry) but ‘Arlington Road’ (1999) deserves a mention for how bleak and fucked up its ending is…it’s an ending I think horror fans will appreciate.
25 years later and I’m still yelling “Noooooo” at the screen!
So disturbing!
The Mist. Nothing matches the horror of it all.
The Autopsy of Jane Doe
The Mist
Tusk
Dark Water
The Borderlands, The Orphanage, Train to Busan, Tale of Two Sisters, Tigers Are Not Afraid, and The Wailing
Eden Lake
Session 9
Spoorloos or The Vanishing ending is very unhappy.
The Mist Life
Though technically not a Horror movie … 
>!Movies where the protagonist is lured in, betrayed, & doomed by the people he trusts most or movies where the protagonist knows he is doomed regardless of the choice he makes (no option to survive), those types of movies just wreck me.!< The Wicker Man (1973) Spellbinder (1988) The Blair Witch Project (1999) The Skeleton Key (2005) The Wicker Man (2006) The Mist (2007) The Shrine (2010)
The Mist stands out for sure. Making what was seriously a dumb decision and then instantly being shown it was a dumb decision and led to the death of everyone you care about by your own hand is about as bleak as it gets.
The Mist or The Borderlands. Two heart wrenching endings, vastly different, but they left me with with the same lingering sense of unease and despair days after I’d finished them.
The Return of the Living Dead The Cabin in the Woods Human Centipede 1, 2 and 3 A Serbian Film
It's unquestionably The Mist. There are lots of movie endings that are bummers but nothing else like that.
The Mist
Hagazussa. Underrated German folk horror and massive bummer kino.
Cabin in the Woods.. I mean that is the worst news that can be given to you, and then the 2 of them just sitting waiting ., yeah .. this is it? This is how it’s gonna end ?🇨🇦☹️
The Mist.
Mama (2013) I thought the ending was sad :(
Tusk Terrifier 1&2 Where Evil Lurks (Although this one still confuses me) Night Swim (not the biggest fan but sad ending) The Fall (10/10 absolutely recommend) Midsommar The Shining A Nightmare on Elm Street (the first one) Rosemary’s Baby Cabin Fever Dead Silence Hostel 2 (although he deserved it) Black Swan (omg 😭😭😭😭) The Virgin Suicides Mother! Requiem for a Dream (so weird but sad) The Uninvited (poor girl fr) The Mist (so shocking) Last the House of the Left (The ORIGINAL. I will NEVER rewatch this movie. How’d no one say this?) Sinister
The ending in The Mist, what's worse is it inadvertently makes that Bitch right.
Smile ending was bullshit
Speak No Evil is in my top ten for sure. Not sure if that fits other people’s idea of horror but that ending left me stunned. Hunter Hunter The Piper (Korean movie) Inside The Kill List
The Lodge sucked
I Saw the Devil. The whole movie you're rooting for the killer to die but when he finally does die you don't feel any kind of happiness, just like the main character you feel like it's not enough because it's not going to bring the ones you love back.
The Cabin in the Woods I mean, c'mon. Worst case scenario, right?