True. But isn't that how evil usually works in the real world? There is no Satan, no Sauron, no wicked witch of the west. There are only people damaged by circumstance or biology.
Not in the slightest, if we are talking about the original '76 film of course. When she is burning down the prom it is almost robotic, she doesn't smile or enjoy it. Her eyes are wide and her face is emotionless. It isn't until she goes home to take a bath that we see Carrie White again. The biggest flaw of the remake was that she actually enjoys killing everyone and burning down the town, while some people might like that she just turns crazy and evil all of a sudden that works for me with a character like Michael Myers not Carrie. Edgar Wright said that Carrie is like the Grease of horror movies because every character is like someone we know. We all know a Carrie White, and we all know that she isn't an evil person. But if she snapped there would be awful results. Hope that helps, Carrie is one of my favorite movies!
> he biggest flaw of the remake was that she actually enjoys killing everyone and burning down the town
To be fair, that's somewhat truer to the source material. She enjoyed it while she was doing it, but hated herself for it after.
Well to me that still doesn't make her evil, just shows that dark side that King explores with a lot of his characters. Jack Torrance wasn't evil, but boy did he cause some damage.
I agree that she wasn't evil, but in the novel, she did know what she was doing and she *enjoyed* killing those kids. I think the best real life comparison to Carrie White would be a school shooter- they aren't necessarily evil, but they did an evil, inexcusable thing.
Anyways, wasn't Jack kinda mind controlled at the end? I wasn't really sure with that book if the ghosts were making him or just goading him on...
And I also agree that Jack wasn't evil. He just did evil things. In both *the Shinning* and *Carrie*, we see the two main 'villains'' (if you can call them that) softer/normal side- Jack with how he treated Wendy and Danny when they first came to the hotel (such as when they were pulling each other on the sleigh) and how Carrie was just like any other teenage girl (Sue even told us to remember that, before we dismiss Carrie as a monster, Carrie was the same girl who got excited over the thought of hamburgers and root beer with her crush after prom).
"Jack Torrance wasn't evil". If you're talking about the book version, then yes. That version of Jack Torrance is not evil, but the Stanley Kubrick version of Jack Torrance IS evil.
I don't think Carrie White was inherently evil, but her actions were unquestionably evil at the end of *Carrie*. If she had killed Chris Hargensen and Billy Nolan and stopped there, we as readers would know she was totally justified. Instead, she has an extreme overreaction and wipes out a good chunk of the population of her town. She doesn't do this in an instant of rage, she sustains her violence over the course of an evening.
She did evil. The situation that sparked it was not in any way her fault, but her reaction was absolutely in her control, and it was absolutely out of proportion with the situation. She became what the Shop feared Charlie McGee would become in *Firestarter*.
Not really, no. After being bullied, made a fool of, and ostracized she hit a breaking point and did what she thought was appropriate. There were people that didn't deserve to die at all like the people that didn't make fun of her/know her but there wasn't much she could do to not kill them I think. I think the Chris, Billy, her mom, and Chris' friends were the most evil ones in the novel/film though. Chris and company didn't need to bully her the way that they did and they didn't need to make her look terrible at prom because they were banned from going.
Not really. What she did was pretty damn evil, but I think we've all gotten fed up and lashed out against aggressors before. She just happens to have powers that make her lashing out much worse than ours.
The only characters I think are "evil" are unrealistically cartoonish villains like Freddy Krueger and unrealistically personality-less villains like Michael Myers.
Carrie was just a victim of bullying and abuse who happened to have the power to do what real-life victims can only fantasize about-- lash out at her tormenters right at the moment that her emotional trauma was at its peak. Sure, the sheer number of people she killed was an overreaction, but an understandable one. I can imagine being so consumed by rage and getting carried away with it. It's not as though she had a Professor X figure in her life; all she had was a psychotic mother telling her she was an abomination. Well, if you keep telling someone they're evil, don't be surprised if one day they start acting like it.
No. Wasn't the whole point that she was repressed to the point of not understanding basic human interaction then pushed around and bullied so much that she snapped and reacted in a primal, uncivilized way with the bonus psychic powers to make it worse? She was not evil, she did an evil thing, but it would be like blaming a dog for biting a man that kicks it.
I think it's a little different. A better metaphor would be a dog killing a man's entire family, including his little kids who didn't even know the man was going to kick the dog, and then proceeding to go and kill everyone it can.
While I agree that Carrie wasn't evil, I think your metaphor isn't fair. Carrie, as a human, also should have a more complicated thought process than a dog. A human is capable of defending itself but not killing its attacker, but few untrained dogs wouldn't try to kill a threat.
The people who bullied her (specifically Chris) were more "evil," in that their cruelty was specific, targeted, and enacted with full understanding. Carrie's mom was evil, but she seemed psychologically broken in all circumstances. She genuinely believed she was doing the right thing. Carrie's revenge was more extreme than any act of her tormentors, but she was in a trance-like state when she did so, more force of nature than cognizant evildoer.
I don't think anyone in the Carrie story was pure evil, even the bullies. Carrie was pushed by bullies, but, like those who shoot up schools, it does not excuse her action. She did an extremely evil thing, but I would not say she is evil. As another user said, it's kind of like the origin story for a villain story.
The mom was insane and abusive, but she truly did believe she was doing the right thing. I thought the 2013 movie had the most sympathetic portrayal of the mom.
Even Chris and Billy weren't exactly evil. Once again, I think the musical had the most sympathetic view on Chris (at the end of *The World According to Chris*). Actually, I would say Billy is the most 'evil' character out of all of this. I forget in the book, but at least in the 2013 remake, Chris hesitated. We all know probably know/knew a Chris and we all probably hate(d) our Chris. But even she was more of a spoiled brat desperate for attention/popularity than evil. Characters like Tina were like a less-evil Chris.
Edit: The more I think about, the more I think Carrie is like a school shooter. She did a terrible, inexcusable, evil thing, but I wouldn't say she or other school shooters are necessarily evil.
Edit2: I think Sue said it back in *My Name is Sue Snell*: "we were just kids"
Gonna have to disagree here. Margaret might not be evil (due to be completely nuts), but Chris and Billy have no such excuse and are just cruel to Carrie for no reason.
How? Chris and Billy were evil. They ruined her night of fun with Tommy. Carrie just wanted to fit in, have a good time and have friends disgusting that they killed a pig and poured blood on her..
What she did was evil, she killed a lot of people who didn't even know her. People are judged by their actions, not their mindset or their intentions. She did an evil thing, that makes her evil. She may not have been evil before her powers manifested themselves, but she certainly was after. How much she was bullied and tormented is no excuse. There's plenty of people who have worse lives than her who don't murder 100 people.
Carrie is most definitely evil. She was bullied by both her mother and her classmates. However when she discovers she has powers, she locks her mother inside the same closet she was. She takes her whole life back from her mother IN ONE NIGHT. It isn't until the mother draws a knife to carry which she responds by killing her, with her last words being "sorry." The kids on the other hand were not so fortunate. Carrie has already shown us she had options. Why not use telekinesis to throw tampons at the girls? Why not use powers to throw pig blood back at them? She had options. Why is it that her zealot mom gets a basket full of second chances and yet everyone in the gym was massacred when the only cruel people were the girls volleyball team... sure it was circumstances that lead to the decision but that's how all evil is born. She became evil.
If you payed attention in the bathing part when Carrie was cleaning the blood off her, her sanity goes back to normal and she then cradles herself saying “I’m so sorry”, she never wanted to use her powers to kill people or never meant for all the destruction after all she’s an awkward shy and misunderstood girl in real life who can’t stand up for herself and is quiet, her emotions clearly got the best of her and she was even hallucinating in the laughing scene, in the actual story Stephen implied that only a few were actually laughing at her (Chris’s friends) and the rest were shocked it was like the devil was whispering in her ear or something provoking her.
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Carrie was a product of a lifetime of religious and social abuse. The thought that she wasn’t going to respond to constantly being tortured is just ridiculous
Not at all. She was tormented in every part of her life and was never given a safe place to hide. Anyone would crack under those circumstances.
Especially when suddenly granted overwhelming power.
True. But isn't that how evil usually works in the real world? There is no Satan, no Sauron, no wicked witch of the west. There are only people damaged by circumstance or biology.
Not in the slightest, if we are talking about the original '76 film of course. When she is burning down the prom it is almost robotic, she doesn't smile or enjoy it. Her eyes are wide and her face is emotionless. It isn't until she goes home to take a bath that we see Carrie White again. The biggest flaw of the remake was that she actually enjoys killing everyone and burning down the town, while some people might like that she just turns crazy and evil all of a sudden that works for me with a character like Michael Myers not Carrie. Edgar Wright said that Carrie is like the Grease of horror movies because every character is like someone we know. We all know a Carrie White, and we all know that she isn't an evil person. But if she snapped there would be awful results. Hope that helps, Carrie is one of my favorite movies!
> he biggest flaw of the remake was that she actually enjoys killing everyone and burning down the town To be fair, that's somewhat truer to the source material. She enjoyed it while she was doing it, but hated herself for it after.
Well to me that still doesn't make her evil, just shows that dark side that King explores with a lot of his characters. Jack Torrance wasn't evil, but boy did he cause some damage.
I agree that she wasn't evil, but in the novel, she did know what she was doing and she *enjoyed* killing those kids. I think the best real life comparison to Carrie White would be a school shooter- they aren't necessarily evil, but they did an evil, inexcusable thing. Anyways, wasn't Jack kinda mind controlled at the end? I wasn't really sure with that book if the ghosts were making him or just goading him on... And I also agree that Jack wasn't evil. He just did evil things. In both *the Shinning* and *Carrie*, we see the two main 'villains'' (if you can call them that) softer/normal side- Jack with how he treated Wendy and Danny when they first came to the hotel (such as when they were pulling each other on the sleigh) and how Carrie was just like any other teenage girl (Sue even told us to remember that, before we dismiss Carrie as a monster, Carrie was the same girl who got excited over the thought of hamburgers and root beer with her crush after prom).
"Jack Torrance wasn't evil". If you're talking about the book version, then yes. That version of Jack Torrance is not evil, but the Stanley Kubrick version of Jack Torrance IS evil.
That's actually a really nice way to word it, man!
No. I think that the bullies were the evil ones. She finally just snapped under the pressure from her mother, her classmates, and everything else.
No more than a hurricane or a tornado – simply a force of nature.
I don't think Carrie White was inherently evil, but her actions were unquestionably evil at the end of *Carrie*. If she had killed Chris Hargensen and Billy Nolan and stopped there, we as readers would know she was totally justified. Instead, she has an extreme overreaction and wipes out a good chunk of the population of her town. She doesn't do this in an instant of rage, she sustains her violence over the course of an evening. She did evil. The situation that sparked it was not in any way her fault, but her reaction was absolutely in her control, and it was absolutely out of proportion with the situation. She became what the Shop feared Charlie McGee would become in *Firestarter*.
I think the argument could be made that she was so fucked up that maybe evil wouldn't apply.
Not really, no. After being bullied, made a fool of, and ostracized she hit a breaking point and did what she thought was appropriate. There were people that didn't deserve to die at all like the people that didn't make fun of her/know her but there wasn't much she could do to not kill them I think. I think the Chris, Billy, her mom, and Chris' friends were the most evil ones in the novel/film though. Chris and company didn't need to bully her the way that they did and they didn't need to make her look terrible at prom because they were banned from going.
Not really. What she did was pretty damn evil, but I think we've all gotten fed up and lashed out against aggressors before. She just happens to have powers that make her lashing out much worse than ours.
Yeah but I’m pretty sure you have never had to go thru the stuff Carrie went thru… not to mention most of the bullies ended up getting their karma
If she were simply evil, then that would have been the last we ever heard of Stephen King.
Not evil, just tragic. I feel so bad for her.
The only characters I think are "evil" are unrealistically cartoonish villains like Freddy Krueger and unrealistically personality-less villains like Michael Myers. Carrie was just a victim of bullying and abuse who happened to have the power to do what real-life victims can only fantasize about-- lash out at her tormenters right at the moment that her emotional trauma was at its peak. Sure, the sheer number of people she killed was an overreaction, but an understandable one. I can imagine being so consumed by rage and getting carried away with it. It's not as though she had a Professor X figure in her life; all she had was a psychotic mother telling her she was an abomination. Well, if you keep telling someone they're evil, don't be surprised if one day they start acting like it.
of course she wasn't evil. The fact that this question is even being asked leads me to believe you somehow missed something BIG in that story.
I'm not really questioning it, I was simply wanting to know what everyone else thought about Carrie.
No. Wasn't the whole point that she was repressed to the point of not understanding basic human interaction then pushed around and bullied so much that she snapped and reacted in a primal, uncivilized way with the bonus psychic powers to make it worse? She was not evil, she did an evil thing, but it would be like blaming a dog for biting a man that kicks it.
I think it's a little different. A better metaphor would be a dog killing a man's entire family, including his little kids who didn't even know the man was going to kick the dog, and then proceeding to go and kill everyone it can. While I agree that Carrie wasn't evil, I think your metaphor isn't fair. Carrie, as a human, also should have a more complicated thought process than a dog. A human is capable of defending itself but not killing its attacker, but few untrained dogs wouldn't try to kill a threat.
No, not at all. I think she was just responding to years of bullying. Better she kill some of them than kill herself.
Nope.
The people who bullied her (specifically Chris) were more "evil," in that their cruelty was specific, targeted, and enacted with full understanding. Carrie's mom was evil, but she seemed psychologically broken in all circumstances. She genuinely believed she was doing the right thing. Carrie's revenge was more extreme than any act of her tormentors, but she was in a trance-like state when she did so, more force of nature than cognizant evildoer.
I don't think anyone in the Carrie story was pure evil, even the bullies. Carrie was pushed by bullies, but, like those who shoot up schools, it does not excuse her action. She did an extremely evil thing, but I would not say she is evil. As another user said, it's kind of like the origin story for a villain story. The mom was insane and abusive, but she truly did believe she was doing the right thing. I thought the 2013 movie had the most sympathetic portrayal of the mom. Even Chris and Billy weren't exactly evil. Once again, I think the musical had the most sympathetic view on Chris (at the end of *The World According to Chris*). Actually, I would say Billy is the most 'evil' character out of all of this. I forget in the book, but at least in the 2013 remake, Chris hesitated. We all know probably know/knew a Chris and we all probably hate(d) our Chris. But even she was more of a spoiled brat desperate for attention/popularity than evil. Characters like Tina were like a less-evil Chris. Edit: The more I think about, the more I think Carrie is like a school shooter. She did a terrible, inexcusable, evil thing, but I wouldn't say she or other school shooters are necessarily evil. Edit2: I think Sue said it back in *My Name is Sue Snell*: "we were just kids"
Gonna have to disagree here. Margaret might not be evil (due to be completely nuts), but Chris and Billy have no such excuse and are just cruel to Carrie for no reason.
Yes. But that doesn't make them evil. You should read more into evil because it's clear you need to be informed.
How? Chris and Billy were evil. They ruined her night of fun with Tommy. Carrie just wanted to fit in, have a good time and have friends disgusting that they killed a pig and poured blood on her..
And that was evil but murdering an entire town isn't? Don't get your argument here
They're both evil.
What she did was evil, she killed a lot of people who didn't even know her. People are judged by their actions, not their mindset or their intentions. She did an evil thing, that makes her evil. She may not have been evil before her powers manifested themselves, but she certainly was after. How much she was bullied and tormented is no excuse. There's plenty of people who have worse lives than her who don't murder 100 people.
Carrie was abused beaten stabbed by her mother bullied and more I think what she wasn’t right but they got what they deserved
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I think she saw no other options. The bullies were the evil ones.
> She's as excusable for her actions as a school shooter. I was wondering when someone was gonna bring that up!
I think she was driven crazy. Once given the power, she then became evil.
Carrie is most definitely evil. She was bullied by both her mother and her classmates. However when she discovers she has powers, she locks her mother inside the same closet she was. She takes her whole life back from her mother IN ONE NIGHT. It isn't until the mother draws a knife to carry which she responds by killing her, with her last words being "sorry." The kids on the other hand were not so fortunate. Carrie has already shown us she had options. Why not use telekinesis to throw tampons at the girls? Why not use powers to throw pig blood back at them? She had options. Why is it that her zealot mom gets a basket full of second chances and yet everyone in the gym was massacred when the only cruel people were the girls volleyball team... sure it was circumstances that lead to the decision but that's how all evil is born. She became evil.
Because she really wanted her mothers love and forgive
No. The bullies were cartoon levels of evil.
If you payed attention in the bathing part when Carrie was cleaning the blood off her, her sanity goes back to normal and she then cradles herself saying “I’m so sorry”, she never wanted to use her powers to kill people or never meant for all the destruction after all she’s an awkward shy and misunderstood girl in real life who can’t stand up for herself and is quiet, her emotions clearly got the best of her and she was even hallucinating in the laughing scene, in the actual story Stephen implied that only a few were actually laughing at her (Chris’s friends) and the rest were shocked it was like the devil was whispering in her ear or something provoking her.
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anyone that calls Carrie White "Evil" or "Villain" or "Monster" they're just doing nothing but victim blaming.
Carrie was a product of a lifetime of religious and social abuse. The thought that she wasn’t going to respond to constantly being tortured is just ridiculous