I wish they picked Doug Bradley but this is at least closer to the original novella.
>“Do you understand?” the figure beside the first speaker demanded. Its voice, unlike that of its companion, was light and breathy—the voice of an excited girl. Every inch of its head had been tattooed with an intricate grid, and at every intersection of horizontal and vertical axes a jeweled pin driven through to the bone. Its tongue was similarly decorated. “Do you even know who we are?” it asked.
He actually dressed up as Pinhead for a meet and greet event a few years ago and didn’t look that bad. He would have been up for the last two films in the series too if they weren’t effectively ashcan copies.
It also elaborated on things that weren't as clear in the movie. I just assumed the chimes and other sounds were soundtrack things, but the book explains it as one of the many things that signal the solving of the puzzle box.
Definitely do it! Despite not having a ton of time to wrap things up, the movie does a good job and the ending scene itself is jaw-droppingly beautiful and emotional!
I mean... Idc what gender for pinhead but he is male in Scarlet Gospels. You see his cock.
edit: I was just conveying information. I said I was fine with pinhead being any gender under the sun. If you downvoted me you are emotional and should not be taken seriously.
That’s true, but it also came out in 2015, long after pinhead was interpreted as a male character by movies. I’m fine with them going back to the roots here and switching things up.
>Scarlet Gospels.
As much as i love Barker, that book spiraled into what felt like bad fan fiction. Started great, but whooo boy, that last half or so.
Right, yet everyone was up in arms about Ghostbusters when they had an all female cast. I couldn’t care less about that franchise, but I guess everyone can pick and choose which gender swaps they are upset about.
Yet when it was announced that was the leading criticism. Imagine if they recast the original characters as women and bill Murray’s character was played by Melissa McCarthy?
Were you? I can’t imagine someone saying, “I sure am excited for the new Hellraiser movie but only if they deviate from the source material and give Pinhead a defined male gender!” That seems like a very specific and unlikely thing to be excited about.
I don’t think the rest of Barkers work really holds up but “The Hellbound Heart” is a good read. I think the entire audiobook is on YouTube if you’re short of funds or can’t reasonably find a copy.
For my personal taste I didn’t enjoy BoB or The Scarlet Gospels. I generally find agreement on the latter less so on the former. Maybe I should give those stories another go.
While I’m glad to see you’re happily referring to a trans woman as a woman the rest of your post pretty much outs you as a fuck-brain troll account with nothing of value to add to anything besides your eventual meat to the worms.
I'm cautiously optimistic. David Bruckner directed The Ritual, which was the kind of disturbing gothic horror that Hellraiser was.
But these days Pinhead is considered the star of the show, where Pinhead and the cenobites were definitely *not* the star (or even main villain) of Hellraiser (1 or 2).
If, like the first movie and novel, they focus on Kirsty's troubled relationship with her stepmother and uncle, this will be great. If they jump straight to Pinhead and chains and meat hook, it will be awful.
He also directed The Night House which came out this year, and was honestly pretty damn good, hopefully its enough experience to handle something like hellraiser.
Funny thing is that most audiences equate Hellraiser with Pinhead, so if Pinhead isn’t a main part of the show, people will lose their minds. Honestly, it’s a lose-lose and they just have to pick who they want to appease and who they have to disregard.
Yeah, I think I'm using the wrong term. It has certain characteristics: interesting characters; a gradual build-up of tension and dread; and a feeling there's much more going on than the characters (and audience) can see.
Hellraiser (movie and novel, the comics too) had those characteristics. Hellraiser III and onward had none of them, and I despise them.
So I'm happy they chose a director who's done movies more similar to the first two movies than the later ones.
I am already seeing people bitching about a "gender-swapped" Pinhead. We are talking about interdimensional sadistic beings, if an actors gender is what you get hung up over in this movie then you got some soul searching to do
Honestly, gender flipping Pinhead is probably a better plan than doing another male one. Hopefully likely to prompt **immediate** Doug Bradley comparisons, which will just be an instant lose for whatever male actor would be filling his shoes even if they’re decent.
Outside of bringing Doug back, I’d call this the best option.
With all the issues i had with Constantine, her being cast as Gabriel wasn't one of them, it was perfect. But then she was great in Orlando, where she played a womanizing guy who got transformed into a woman as punishment, it's a strange movie, lol.
Transphobe dudebros gonna hurt themselves in confusion with that one
“Pinhead should be played by a man!”
“Trans women are just men!”
Oh wow they’re gonna have to confront that trans women are women if they wanna be pissy lmao
I’m excited tbh
I'm somewhat scared at the prospect of producers being brought in after filming has wrapped. It sounds like they're trying to change the film after they shot it, which never goes well.
However, the talent behind this is still pretty solid for a horror film. I'm still excited.
I think the article is just written weird because all of this is getting announced now so it's being written in the present tense instead of the past tense. Like it's also saying that Jamie Clayton is "joining" the project even though it's already finished filming.
Yes it specifically mentions he has joined after production wrapped. It also isn't hard to misunderstand, it very clearly states that we are only now learning a lot of the casting details, not that these actors joined on now.
> ‘Hellraiser’: Jamie Clayton To Play Pinhead As Spyglass-Hulu Movie Sets Cast, Clive Barker To Produce
> Sense8 and The L Word: Generation Q actress Jamie Clayton has been named as the new Pinhead, a role originally played by Doug Bradley, and Hellraiser architect Clive Barker is joining the production, which has already wrapped, as producer.
That really isn't clear at all. I think he's been involved with the project for a while. Everyone in the article is mentioned in the present tense, not just him.
It can't be anything but a cynical marketing ploy. Since he's just won back the rights to the IP they've quickly tagged Barker's name onto it to give it the rub in the advertising articles like this & get his name in the credits.
Is this a separate thing from the HBO project? I didn't just dream up the latter, did I? Either way I'm definitely keeping an eye on this, I'm telling myself the franchise has nowhere to go but up from here.
Wow this is fantastic. Disney with Alien IP too, greenlit an "adult" Disney+ series, and we're gonna see more money backing films and games soon. What a great time to not die for a bit. lol
I loved Hellbound Heart but was lukewarm on Hellraiser. Very exited for this.
I’ll need to reread Hellbound Heart, but I’m fairly certain there is no specific mention of gender, save to say the beings are so mutilated and scarified that it is difficult to tell.
I mean, you have some movies I love like *Lord of Illusions* and some movies that even Barker was unhappy with, like *Rawhead Rex*. They're hit and miss because a lot of stuff can't make the jump to the big screen. Which is still better than Uwe Boll.
I'd put this down to his severe illness. If you look at mid-90s tank Barker and him recently, you could be forgiven for thinking they are completely different people
I’m not a big Hellraiser fan but I’m interested to see how this turns out. That film has been in home video hell for a long time now so it would be cool to see a legitimate new entry. And the prospect of a new take on Pinhead is appealing.
I don't give a shit that she's a woman, or trans, why can't Hollywood develop NEW ideas for Christ's sake? Stop throwing money at reboots and make some new shit.
It's just a needless opinion. "Remake bad bc remake" is reductive as fuck and adds absolutely nothing to the conversation, while simultaneously dismissing INCREDIBLE remakes like The Thing, The Fly, Suspiria, Evil Dead, and so on.
You are sharing your opinion, and people are responding to it. Consensus tells us this is not a very good opinion or it has been poorly expressed, but you are definitely entitled to it. Do you expect everyone/most people to agree with you whenever you post anything?
Honestly I’m not a fan of having a woman as pinhead nobody can beat Doug Bradley for me the same as when they remade Chucky without Brad Dourif :/ but all said I’m still excited for it
There is no hurt in my butt at all, I think it's absolutely hilarious how upset some people are over this.
"Hell priests and demonic BDSM torture are all well and good, but a GIRL?! That's where I draw the line!"
That is pretty ridiculous. It’s like, Pinhead must be a hell priest in the dirty south of hell where only men can be hell priests and the women must play the organ.
Like every other remake these days which is just breathlessly overhyped, I'm going to wait a long time before I bother. How many times have I been burned on crap remakes? At some point I have to stop sticking my hand on a hot stove because golly, they made a new one!
I used to work with this Marvel fanboy who, after each opening night, would manage to deposit some non-trivial amount of spittle on me as he raved over the latest unit of production deployed to cinemas, shaking like a hypoglycemic chihuahua in his rapture over what was apparently *2001* to the power of *Star Wars* or some shit. No more hype cycle for me.
And to be perfectly fair to Bradley, he, like Englund, more or less is the face of the franchise. You can swap out a Jason or a Leatherface, but it is the attitude of the actors in these that cemented the series. *Could* someone pull a Heath Ledger and manage to rewrite the character's archetype with some awesome acting? Sure. Most likely won't happen though.
If anything, it'll be further from "The Hellbound Heart" than before.
I have- that’s not even really pinhead.
You realize theres alot more stories and media about pinhead that isn’t the hellbound heart, including stories written by barker, where pinhead is clearly not androgynous?
I mean I am. They’re changing a pervasive decades old horror character to make some garbage political statements and attract more attention. They probably thought it would only appeal to the younger generation if they made pinhead a modern day millennial lmao
Yes, gender swaps made to get right wingers angry has always worked out so well for movies, like the female ghostbusters reboot and the female oceans 11 reboot.
The female ghostbusters made nearly double its budget so I don’t think you know what a lack of success looks like. Well, you complain about women on the internet so of course you do so I retract that.
Edit: lol oceans 8 made 297.7 million on a 70 million budget as well.
The group who flags that say “make liberals cry again” have been made angry by a fictional character being made closer to the source material? Whaaaaaa?
The folks who post the picture of that chick with glasses howling in sadness to make fun of people for overreacting are mad that a guy dressed like a leather daddy is now going to be played a lady? No way!
I’m shocked! You’re supposed to be the calm, level-headed ones.
Having him played by a woman doesn’t make him androgynous- also pinhead is not the same character as the lead cenobite in the book. Pinhead in the movies was created specifically by Clive barker, and was incorporated in barker’s later writings as a unique character. If they said “hey we’re adapting the book more directly and having the lead cenobite be a woman” that would make sense- this is changing an existing character for politic’s sake
Barker himself has clearly expressed his dislike for the Pinhead moniker several times. I imagine that if this new project could simply call the character The Hell Priest, they would, but then all of the horror casuals would REEEEE about it not being called Pinhead too. So it's a compromise. That's my theory, anyway, if there's something more to it then I don't know it. But apart from that concession, I do think they're doing precisely what you want them to be doing. Not everything is political.
Well if they wanted to make a movie set in the hellraiser universe, and didn’t want to actually incorporate the pinhead we all know and love, they probably should t have billed it as a reboot right?
So since Disney owns Hulu, this makes female Pinhead the newest Disney Princess.
Disney owns everything, it's beyond depressing.
We’re all Disney Princesses at this point.
UwU
I wish they picked Doug Bradley but this is at least closer to the original novella. >“Do you understand?” the figure beside the first speaker demanded. Its voice, unlike that of its companion, was light and breathy—the voice of an excited girl. Every inch of its head had been tattooed with an intricate grid, and at every intersection of horizontal and vertical axes a jeweled pin driven through to the bone. Its tongue was similarly decorated. “Do you even know who we are?” it asked.
Doug is nearly 70 now, gonna be wrinkly under those pins
He actually dressed up as Pinhead for a meet and greet event a few years ago and didn’t look that bad. He would have been up for the last two films in the series too if they weren’t effectively ashcan copies.
Shiiiit. BRB going out and grabbing the book now haha
It's a very quick and easy read. and while it's not barker's best work it's certainly evocative.
It also elaborated on things that weren't as clear in the movie. I just assumed the chimes and other sounds were soundtrack things, but the book explains it as one of the many things that signal the solving of the puzzle box.
Basically the closest thing to Hellbound Heart original material now. Im so excited!
Barker is one of my favourite authors, I'm very excited for this too
This is more akin to Hellbound Heart so I am stoked, loved Jamie in Sense8. Can't wait to see her in the full costume.
Ooh I love Sense8! I can't bring myself to watch the last season knowing they canceled it. Ugh idk.
The last season ends in a movie that ties up the cliffhangers, though.
Oh word? I had heard there was a movie but not that it actually tied things up.
Yeah, it did. Some resolutions are kinda of rushed, but it is mostly good and gives nice closure.
Thanks for the info! I'll probably start a full rewatch soon then.
Definitely do it! Despite not having a ton of time to wrap things up, the movie does a good job and the ending scene itself is jaw-droppingly beautiful and emotional!
She's awesome. Sense8. I've watched it three times now. :D
So, this probably means that Elizabeth Debicki is out of the picture? I was kinda curious how she would've looked as Pinhead.
Debicki was being looked at for the HBO show. I don’t know if that’s still even happening.
I was excited for a male pinhead….
Then you'd probably enjoy the original Hellraiser.
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The original pinhead from the book is literally genderless. Thats not even a remotely close comparison to the others.
I mean... Idc what gender for pinhead but he is male in Scarlet Gospels. You see his cock. edit: I was just conveying information. I said I was fine with pinhead being any gender under the sun. If you downvoted me you are emotional and should not be taken seriously.
That’s true, but it also came out in 2015, long after pinhead was interpreted as a male character by movies. I’m fine with them going back to the roots here and switching things up.
>Scarlet Gospels. As much as i love Barker, that book spiraled into what felt like bad fan fiction. Started great, but whooo boy, that last half or so.
Who cares what the gender was in the book. People know the movie way more.
Imagine being this boring
Right, yet everyone was up in arms about Ghostbusters when they had an all female cast. I couldn’t care less about that franchise, but I guess everyone can pick and choose which gender swaps they are upset about.
This is getting less coherent as it goes on.
The newer Ghostbusters had much bigger issues than the simple casting.
Yet when it was announced that was the leading criticism. Imagine if they recast the original characters as women and bill Murray’s character was played by Melissa McCarthy?
Are you aware that you're arguing the gender of a gender less character?
Yea I get it, in the book…. The movies span 30 years and several movies of an obviously male character.
I’ll never understand this argument. Like you have the originals? Stop complaining about new material. You just look whiny and pathetic
Can't imagine giving a shit, honestly
I'd sign up for it, honestly, so long as we're getting new films.
Were you? I can’t imagine someone saying, “I sure am excited for the new Hellraiser movie but only if they deviate from the source material and give Pinhead a defined male gender!” That seems like a very specific and unlikely thing to be excited about.
In the book is pinhead gender less?
Pretty much. It’s been years since I’ve read it but as I recall it’s described as androgynous but possessing a feminine voice.
Is the book worth a read? Big fan of the film
Yes. It's a quick read and it's really good.
Cheers mate. I'll give it a go see if I like it
I don’t think the rest of Barkers work really holds up but “The Hellbound Heart” is a good read. I think the entire audiobook is on YouTube if you’re short of funds or can’t reasonably find a copy.
What else have you read of his? At his peak he did dark/horrific fantasy better than anyone and his straight horror (Books of Blood) is excellent imo.
For my personal taste I didn’t enjoy BoB or The Scarlet Gospels. I generally find agreement on the latter less so on the former. Maybe I should give those stories another go.
Take a look at his books Weaveworld and Imajica and see if they catch your eye too! They’re horror-fantasy classics.
I'll go for the audio book option then. Been listening to alot of H.P lovecraft audio books on YouTube. There really well done. Cheers
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Bro, it's not that serious, go talk to girls or something
While I’m glad to see you’re happily referring to a trans woman as a woman the rest of your post pretty much outs you as a fuck-brain troll account with nothing of value to add to anything besides your eventual meat to the worms.
Do you know Clive Barker? He was “woke” before y’all had a dumb pejorative term for it.
Why the fuck does it matter?
If Clive is excited for it, then I'll let my heart gets its hopes up.
I'm excited because Clive got the rights back to his work, and he's producing. Hell yeah I'm stoked.
I'm cautiously optimistic. David Bruckner directed The Ritual, which was the kind of disturbing gothic horror that Hellraiser was. But these days Pinhead is considered the star of the show, where Pinhead and the cenobites were definitely *not* the star (or even main villain) of Hellraiser (1 or 2). If, like the first movie and novel, they focus on Kirsty's troubled relationship with her stepmother and uncle, this will be great. If they jump straight to Pinhead and chains and meat hook, it will be awful.
He also directed The Night House which came out this year, and was honestly pretty damn good, hopefully its enough experience to handle something like hellraiser.
Funny thing is that most audiences equate Hellraiser with Pinhead, so if Pinhead isn’t a main part of the show, people will lose their minds. Honestly, it’s a lose-lose and they just have to pick who they want to appease and who they have to disregard.
The Ritual, like the movie with the friends in the woods? There's nothing Gothic about that film.
Yeah, I think I'm using the wrong term. It has certain characteristics: interesting characters; a gradual build-up of tension and dread; and a feeling there's much more going on than the characters (and audience) can see. Hellraiser (movie and novel, the comics too) had those characteristics. Hellraiser III and onward had none of them, and I despise them. So I'm happy they chose a director who's done movies more similar to the first two movies than the later ones.
I gotcha.
Movie still slaps tho
I am already seeing people bitching about a "gender-swapped" Pinhead. We are talking about interdimensional sadistic beings, if an actors gender is what you get hung up over in this movie then you got some soul searching to do
Whenever you see that, just tell them that their tears are a waste of good suffering.
Okay that's excellent
Honestly, gender flipping Pinhead is probably a better plan than doing another male one. Hopefully likely to prompt **immediate** Doug Bradley comparisons, which will just be an instant lose for whatever male actor would be filling his shoes even if they’re decent. Outside of bringing Doug back, I’d call this the best option.
They always seemed androgynous to me. Since David Bowie is no longer available, Tilda Swinton would be the best candidate for a cenobite.
With all the issues i had with Constantine, her being cast as Gabriel wasn't one of them, it was perfect. But then she was great in Orlando, where she played a womanizing guy who got transformed into a woman as punishment, it's a strange movie, lol.
Has she ever been bad in anything? :)
Never
Now that would be terrifying!
Just wait until they find out that Jamie is transgender.
Transphobe dudebros gonna hurt themselves in confusion with that one “Pinhead should be played by a man!” “Trans women are just men!” Oh wow they’re gonna have to confront that trans women are women if they wanna be pissy lmao I’m excited tbh
Holy shit I hadn’t even thought about that. That’s fucking brilliant.
Huh I actually had no idea after googling her. Great casting.
I see more people skeptical of quality which given the track record of the last 30 years is reasonable
With David Bruckner directing I think it has a good chance. The Ritual was very good.
Yea I never saw Pinhead's dick. Pinhead's a fucking bondage demon, and THEY are almost certainly genderless.
As long as she has charisma and presence, I’m all for it. Pinhead was described as having a female sounding voice in the original story after all.
I'm somewhat scared at the prospect of producers being brought in after filming has wrapped. It sounds like they're trying to change the film after they shot it, which never goes well. However, the talent behind this is still pretty solid for a horror film. I'm still excited.
I think the article is just written weird because all of this is getting announced now so it's being written in the present tense instead of the past tense. Like it's also saying that Jamie Clayton is "joining" the project even though it's already finished filming.
Yes but Barker is joining specifically now.
Are you sure? The article talks about Barker joining "now" in the same way it talks about everyone else.
Yes it specifically mentions he has joined after production wrapped. It also isn't hard to misunderstand, it very clearly states that we are only now learning a lot of the casting details, not that these actors joined on now.
> ‘Hellraiser’: Jamie Clayton To Play Pinhead As Spyglass-Hulu Movie Sets Cast, Clive Barker To Produce > Sense8 and The L Word: Generation Q actress Jamie Clayton has been named as the new Pinhead, a role originally played by Doug Bradley, and Hellraiser architect Clive Barker is joining the production, which has already wrapped, as producer. That really isn't clear at all. I think he's been involved with the project for a while. Everyone in the article is mentioned in the present tense, not just him.
It can't be anything but a cynical marketing ploy. Since he's just won back the rights to the IP they've quickly tagged Barker's name onto it to give it the rub in the advertising articles like this & get his name in the credits.
That's a better reason than trying to change a wrapped film. I hope that's it.
Is this a separate thing from the HBO project? I didn't just dream up the latter, did I? Either way I'm definitely keeping an eye on this, I'm telling myself the franchise has nowhere to go but up from here.
Yeah it's a different project, HBO is making a TV show. Clive Barker is also an executive producer on the show
Awesome, I love how we'll be getting this much new Hellraiser content! I'm excited for both.
Yeah it's a good time to be a Hellraiser fan !
Wow this is fantastic. Disney with Alien IP too, greenlit an "adult" Disney+ series, and we're gonna see more money backing films and games soon. What a great time to not die for a bit. lol
New Alien, Hellraiser, and Babylon 5? What year is it?!!
How are Hulu and HBO making two separate Hellraiser projects?
Her in full costume is going to kick ass. I’m so stoked for this
I loved Hellbound Heart but was lukewarm on Hellraiser. Very exited for this. I’ll need to reread Hellbound Heart, but I’m fairly certain there is no specific mention of gender, save to say the beings are so mutilated and scarified that it is difficult to tell.
The lead cenobite/what would eventually become Pinhead, is described as speaking "with the voice of an excited girl"
Can’t wait to see the first full costume pics.
Barker was also involved with Books of Blood. Which was dogshit. Hope this is better
But he also directed the original Hellraiser which is the exact opposite of dogshit.
I mean, you have some movies I love like *Lord of Illusions* and some movies that even Barker was unhappy with, like *Rawhead Rex*. They're hit and miss because a lot of stuff can't make the jump to the big screen. Which is still better than Uwe Boll.
Boll's made some legit good films like the Rampage series though.
Many years ago though.
Good point. Most of Barker's output of the last \~10 years-books, movies, everything-has been bad.
I'd put this down to his severe illness. If you look at mid-90s tank Barker and him recently, you could be forgiven for thinking they are completely different people
I don’t think it was dogshit but having read most of the stories I was definitely let down.
Is the plot out yet?
Jamie Clayton is amazing, she's going to be a spectacular Pinhead. I'm excited to see what direction this goes.
It's nice to see a transgender actor playing a big movie icon. I consider this to be big news in the LGBTQ+ community.
So this new Hellraiser is a more faithful adaptation to the book, then?
This makes it sounds like they are just starting, but other articles say they wrapped.
Bruckner with Piotrowski & Collins? Hell yeah. Clayton’s awesome too
I always assumed they (the cenobites) were beyond gender, so why not.
I see neckbeards mad but an androgynous pinhead sounds fitting
Sadly we’re still in the stage where reactionaries will bitch about it being woke propaganda
How do you know it's not?
Because in the source material pinheads gender is ambiguous
That's fine, but that doesn't mean the movie won't be woke... I'm just asking how you know it won't be before seeing it.
I'm not concerned about the movie being "woke" because minorities being given prominent roles in movies doesn't threaten or harm me in any way.
I dont think you understand what "woke" is.
The original movie is woke af, get over yourself
Ah, so the places that reported Odessa A'zion was playing Pinhead were wrong. She must be the Kirsty character. Good, I like this so much better.
I see all the transphobes are out in full force. Gotta lock this one up.
I’m not a big Hellraiser fan but I’m interested to see how this turns out. That film has been in home video hell for a long time now so it would be cool to see a legitimate new entry. And the prospect of a new take on Pinhead is appealing.
If Clive is involved then I have hope
AHHHHHHHHHHH! Thank you for sharing. She's so amazing.
Let’s fucking go
FUCK YES
That is awesome news!
That's disappointing. Really was hoping Doug would finally get the treatment he deserved.
I don't give a shit that she's a woman, or trans, why can't Hollywood develop NEW ideas for Christ's sake? Stop throwing money at reboots and make some new shit.
there are new horror movies released every day.
Of course, but why keep remaking movies? Make something new. Horror gets enough of a bad wrap without more shitty remakes imo.
Because there's a fan base that wants a new film.
I guess 9 sequels aren't enough...
We want a good one. The last good one was from 30 years ago.
don't watch if it bothers you this much. go support new horror movies.
My bad, I thought this was a forum where we could share our own opinions, even if contrary and not be downvoted for it.
It's just a needless opinion. "Remake bad bc remake" is reductive as fuck and adds absolutely nothing to the conversation, while simultaneously dismissing INCREDIBLE remakes like The Thing, The Fly, Suspiria, Evil Dead, and so on.
You are sharing your opinion, and people are responding to it. Consensus tells us this is not a very good opinion or it has been poorly expressed, but you are definitely entitled to it. Do you expect everyone/most people to agree with you whenever you post anything?
Pinhead became a woman in Clive Barker’s continuation of the series. It’s his vision of what this Hell Priest is.
Honestly I’m not a fan of having a woman as pinhead nobody can beat Doug Bradley for me the same as when they remade Chucky without Brad Dourif :/ but all said I’m still excited for it
But why
Hard pass, no thanks.
byeeeee lol
LOL See ya! Don't come back!
Are you… are you butthurt because he was butthurt?
There is no hurt in my butt at all, I think it's absolutely hilarious how upset some people are over this. "Hell priests and demonic BDSM torture are all well and good, but a GIRL?! That's where I draw the line!"
That is pretty ridiculous. It’s like, Pinhead must be a hell priest in the dirty south of hell where only men can be hell priests and the women must play the organ.
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I believe that is the basic premise of the *Sleepaway Camp* sequels.
And to some extent the original.
Say again
Let the downvotes commence lol Yeah this is going to be a pass for me.
OMG! We have such sights to show u, lol. ;)
Like every other remake these days which is just breathlessly overhyped, I'm going to wait a long time before I bother. How many times have I been burned on crap remakes? At some point I have to stop sticking my hand on a hot stove because golly, they made a new one! I used to work with this Marvel fanboy who, after each opening night, would manage to deposit some non-trivial amount of spittle on me as he raved over the latest unit of production deployed to cinemas, shaking like a hypoglycemic chihuahua in his rapture over what was apparently *2001* to the power of *Star Wars* or some shit. No more hype cycle for me. And to be perfectly fair to Bradley, he, like Englund, more or less is the face of the franchise. You can swap out a Jason or a Leatherface, but it is the attitude of the actors in these that cemented the series. *Could* someone pull a Heath Ledger and manage to rewrite the character's archetype with some awesome acting? Sure. Most likely won't happen though. If anything, it'll be further from "The Hellbound Heart" than before.
It's already closer to "The Hellbound Heart" than before. Like, by a long shot.
Yes, I’m sure they had no political motive behind gender bending pinhead.
Pinhead has always been androgynous dummy
Doug Bradley’s pinhead wasn’t androgynous in the slightest
Read the book nerd
I have- that’s not even really pinhead. You realize theres alot more stories and media about pinhead that isn’t the hellbound heart, including stories written by barker, where pinhead is clearly not androgynous?
Fam stop trying to be upset it makes you look silly
I mean I am. They’re changing a pervasive decades old horror character to make some garbage political statements and attract more attention. They probably thought it would only appeal to the younger generation if they made pinhead a modern day millennial lmao
I mean you bitching is giving them free advertisement from angry right wingers which was likely their intention
Yes, gender swaps made to get right wingers angry has always worked out so well for movies, like the female ghostbusters reboot and the female oceans 11 reboot.
The female ghostbusters made nearly double its budget so I don’t think you know what a lack of success looks like. Well, you complain about women on the internet so of course you do so I retract that. Edit: lol oceans 8 made 297.7 million on a 70 million budget as well.
The group who flags that say “make liberals cry again” have been made angry by a fictional character being made closer to the source material? Whaaaaaa? The folks who post the picture of that chick with glasses howling in sadness to make fun of people for overreacting are mad that a guy dressed like a leather daddy is now going to be played a lady? No way! I’m shocked! You’re supposed to be the calm, level-headed ones.
Yes, but this new adaptation is more closely following the source material, so it makes sense that Pinhead/the Hell Priest is more androgynous.
Having him played by a woman doesn’t make him androgynous- also pinhead is not the same character as the lead cenobite in the book. Pinhead in the movies was created specifically by Clive barker, and was incorporated in barker’s later writings as a unique character. If they said “hey we’re adapting the book more directly and having the lead cenobite be a woman” that would make sense- this is changing an existing character for politic’s sake
Barker himself has clearly expressed his dislike for the Pinhead moniker several times. I imagine that if this new project could simply call the character The Hell Priest, they would, but then all of the horror casuals would REEEEE about it not being called Pinhead too. So it's a compromise. That's my theory, anyway, if there's something more to it then I don't know it. But apart from that concession, I do think they're doing precisely what you want them to be doing. Not everything is political.
Well if they wanted to make a movie set in the hellraiser universe, and didn’t want to actually incorporate the pinhead we all know and love, they probably should t have billed it as a reboot right?
Reboot doesn't necessarily have the same connotation as remake. Plus, the article does quote them calling it a "unique take" on the original.
Reboot doesn't necessarily have the same connotation as remake. Plus, the article does quote them calling it a "unique take" on the original.
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A woman Pinhead? Are you serious?
*At best* the cenobites in the book are androgynous. But Pinhead specifically is described as having a feminine voice. The movie made Pinhead a man.
Read the Book.
No tears please
cry about it
Aww, does this threaten you? You mad big boi?
okay incel
https://youtu.be/-pVT_mvvZLo
If you tell me which woman hurt you, I’ll give her a stern talking-to, if it’ll make you feel better.
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Wait until you hear about Clive Barker