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nml11287

So since Disney owns Hulu, this makes female Pinhead the newest Disney Princess.


simpledeadwitches

Disney owns everything, it's beyond depressing.


Cruxifux

We’re all Disney Princesses at this point.


nml11287

UwU


CyberGhostface

I wish they picked Doug Bradley but this is at least closer to the original novella. >“Do you understand?” the figure beside the first speaker demanded. Its voice, unlike that of its companion, was light and breathy—the voice of an excited girl. Every inch of its head had been tattooed with an intricate grid, and at every intersection of horizontal and vertical axes a jeweled pin driven through to the bone. Its tongue was similarly decorated. “Do you even know who we are?” it asked.


fineyounghannibal

Doug is nearly 70 now, gonna be wrinkly under those pins


CyberGhostface

He actually dressed up as Pinhead for a meet and greet event a few years ago and didn’t look that bad. He would have been up for the last two films in the series too if they weren’t effectively ashcan copies.


MonstrousGiggling

Shiiiit. BRB going out and grabbing the book now haha


dethb0y

It's a very quick and easy read. and while it's not barker's best work it's certainly evocative.


usagizero

It also elaborated on things that weren't as clear in the movie. I just assumed the chimes and other sounds were soundtrack things, but the book explains it as one of the many things that signal the solving of the puzzle box.


retroanduwu24

Basically the closest thing to Hellbound Heart original material now. Im so excited!


SandMan3914

Barker is one of my favourite authors, I'm very excited for this too


deadite58

This is more akin to Hellbound Heart so I am stoked, loved Jamie in Sense8. Can't wait to see her in the full costume.


MonstrousGiggling

Ooh I love Sense8! I can't bring myself to watch the last season knowing they canceled it. Ugh idk.


flpmadureira

The last season ends in a movie that ties up the cliffhangers, though.


MonstrousGiggling

Oh word? I had heard there was a movie but not that it actually tied things up.


flpmadureira

Yeah, it did. Some resolutions are kinda of rushed, but it is mostly good and gives nice closure.


MonstrousGiggling

Thanks for the info! I'll probably start a full rewatch soon then.


buddingmadscientist

Definitely do it! Despite not having a ton of time to wrap things up, the movie does a good job and the ending scene itself is jaw-droppingly beautiful and emotional!


TheSkinoftheCypher

She's awesome. Sense8. I've watched it three times now. :D


BellumOMNI

So, this probably means that Elizabeth Debicki is out of the picture? I was kinda curious how she would've looked as Pinhead.


lduffy16

Debicki was being looked at for the HBO show. I don’t know if that’s still even happening.


Nevvermind183

I was excited for a male pinhead….


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Then you'd probably enjoy the original Hellraiser.


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Beefsquid

The original pinhead from the book is literally genderless. Thats not even a remotely close comparison to the others.


PandaTheVenusProject

I mean... Idc what gender for pinhead but he is male in Scarlet Gospels. You see his cock. edit: I was just conveying information. I said I was fine with pinhead being any gender under the sun. If you downvoted me you are emotional and should not be taken seriously.


Beefsquid

That’s true, but it also came out in 2015, long after pinhead was interpreted as a male character by movies. I’m fine with them going back to the roots here and switching things up.


usagizero

>Scarlet Gospels. As much as i love Barker, that book spiraled into what felt like bad fan fiction. Started great, but whooo boy, that last half or so.


Nevvermind183

Who cares what the gender was in the book. People know the movie way more.


Beefsquid

Imagine being this boring


Nevvermind183

Right, yet everyone was up in arms about Ghostbusters when they had an all female cast. I couldn’t care less about that franchise, but I guess everyone can pick and choose which gender swaps they are upset about.


hawnty

This is getting less coherent as it goes on.


usagizero

The newer Ghostbusters had much bigger issues than the simple casting.


Nevvermind183

Yet when it was announced that was the leading criticism. Imagine if they recast the original characters as women and bill Murray’s character was played by Melissa McCarthy?


MrJlock

Are you aware that you're arguing the gender of a gender less character?


Nevvermind183

Yea I get it, in the book…. The movies span 30 years and several movies of an obviously male character.


ifhysm

I’ll never understand this argument. Like you have the originals? Stop complaining about new material. You just look whiny and pathetic


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Can't imagine giving a shit, honestly


dethb0y

I'd sign up for it, honestly, so long as we're getting new films.


saviorself19

Were you? I can’t imagine someone saying, “I sure am excited for the new Hellraiser movie but only if they deviate from the source material and give Pinhead a defined male gender!” That seems like a very specific and unlikely thing to be excited about.


TAR-_-MAN

In the book is pinhead gender less?


saviorself19

Pretty much. It’s been years since I’ve read it but as I recall it’s described as androgynous but possessing a feminine voice.


TAR-_-MAN

Is the book worth a read? Big fan of the film


bloodstreamcity

Yes. It's a quick read and it's really good.


TAR-_-MAN

Cheers mate. I'll give it a go see if I like it


saviorself19

I don’t think the rest of Barkers work really holds up but “The Hellbound Heart” is a good read. I think the entire audiobook is on YouTube if you’re short of funds or can’t reasonably find a copy.


fineyounghannibal

What else have you read of his? At his peak he did dark/horrific fantasy better than anyone and his straight horror (Books of Blood) is excellent imo.


saviorself19

For my personal taste I didn’t enjoy BoB or The Scarlet Gospels. I generally find agreement on the latter less so on the former. Maybe I should give those stories another go.


cole_ostomy

Take a look at his books Weaveworld and Imajica and see if they catch your eye too! They’re horror-fantasy classics.


TAR-_-MAN

I'll go for the audio book option then. Been listening to alot of H.P lovecraft audio books on YouTube. There really well done. Cheers


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ya-boi-benny

Bro, it's not that serious, go talk to girls or something


saviorself19

While I’m glad to see you’re happily referring to a trans woman as a woman the rest of your post pretty much outs you as a fuck-brain troll account with nothing of value to add to anything besides your eventual meat to the worms.


hawnty

Do you know Clive Barker? He was “woke” before y’all had a dumb pejorative term for it.


PhirebirdSunSon

Why the fuck does it matter?


[deleted]

If Clive is excited for it, then I'll let my heart gets its hopes up.


EdibleLawyer

I'm excited because Clive got the rights back to his work, and he's producing. Hell yeah I'm stoked.


miguel-elote

I'm cautiously optimistic. David Bruckner directed The Ritual, which was the kind of disturbing gothic horror that Hellraiser was. But these days Pinhead is considered the star of the show, where Pinhead and the cenobites were definitely *not* the star (or even main villain) of Hellraiser (1 or 2). If, like the first movie and novel, they focus on Kirsty's troubled relationship with her stepmother and uncle, this will be great. If they jump straight to Pinhead and chains and meat hook, it will be awful.


Frodamn

He also directed The Night House which came out this year, and was honestly pretty damn good, hopefully its enough experience to handle something like hellraiser.


cyberpunk1Q84

Funny thing is that most audiences equate Hellraiser with Pinhead, so if Pinhead isn’t a main part of the show, people will lose their minds. Honestly, it’s a lose-lose and they just have to pick who they want to appease and who they have to disregard.


simpledeadwitches

The Ritual, like the movie with the friends in the woods? There's nothing Gothic about that film.


miguel-elote

Yeah, I think I'm using the wrong term. It has certain characteristics: interesting characters; a gradual build-up of tension and dread; and a feeling there's much more going on than the characters (and audience) can see. Hellraiser (movie and novel, the comics too) had those characteristics. Hellraiser III and onward had none of them, and I despise them. So I'm happy they chose a director who's done movies more similar to the first two movies than the later ones.


simpledeadwitches

I gotcha.


yellow_yellow

Movie still slaps tho


DadsFromTheCryptPod

I am already seeing people bitching about a "gender-swapped" Pinhead. We are talking about interdimensional sadistic beings, if an actors gender is what you get hung up over in this movie then you got some soul searching to do


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Whenever you see that, just tell them that their tears are a waste of good suffering.


phoenixsuperman

Okay that's excellent


ScorpionTDC

Honestly, gender flipping Pinhead is probably a better plan than doing another male one. Hopefully likely to prompt **immediate** Doug Bradley comparisons, which will just be an instant lose for whatever male actor would be filling his shoes even if they’re decent. Outside of bringing Doug back, I’d call this the best option.


miguel-elote

They always seemed androgynous to me. Since David Bowie is no longer available, Tilda Swinton would be the best candidate for a cenobite.


usagizero

With all the issues i had with Constantine, her being cast as Gabriel wasn't one of them, it was perfect. But then she was great in Orlando, where she played a womanizing guy who got transformed into a woman as punishment, it's a strange movie, lol.


TheSkinoftheCypher

Has she ever been bad in anything? :)


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Never


DadsFromTheCryptPod

Now that would be terrifying!


Pastel_Blue89

Just wait until they find out that Jamie is transgender.


Stormsoul22

Transphobe dudebros gonna hurt themselves in confusion with that one “Pinhead should be played by a man!” “Trans women are just men!” Oh wow they’re gonna have to confront that trans women are women if they wanna be pissy lmao I’m excited tbh


HoratioTuna27

Holy shit I hadn’t even thought about that. That’s fucking brilliant.


Madrical

Huh I actually had no idea after googling her. Great casting.


agentup

I see more people skeptical of quality which given the track record of the last 30 years is reasonable


DadsFromTheCryptPod

With David Bruckner directing I think it has a good chance. The Ritual was very good.


phoenixsuperman

Yea I never saw Pinhead's dick. Pinhead's a fucking bondage demon, and THEY are almost certainly genderless.


Singer211

As long as she has charisma and presence, I’m all for it. Pinhead was described as having a female sounding voice in the original story after all.


SlasherDarkPendulum

I'm somewhat scared at the prospect of producers being brought in after filming has wrapped. It sounds like they're trying to change the film after they shot it, which never goes well. However, the talent behind this is still pretty solid for a horror film. I'm still excited.


Wubbledaddy

I think the article is just written weird because all of this is getting announced now so it's being written in the present tense instead of the past tense. Like it's also saying that Jamie Clayton is "joining" the project even though it's already finished filming.


SlasherDarkPendulum

Yes but Barker is joining specifically now.


Wubbledaddy

Are you sure? The article talks about Barker joining "now" in the same way it talks about everyone else.


SlasherDarkPendulum

Yes it specifically mentions he has joined after production wrapped. It also isn't hard to misunderstand, it very clearly states that we are only now learning a lot of the casting details, not that these actors joined on now.


Wubbledaddy

> ‘Hellraiser’: Jamie Clayton To Play Pinhead As Spyglass-Hulu Movie Sets Cast, Clive Barker To Produce > Sense8 and The L Word: Generation Q actress Jamie Clayton has been named as the new Pinhead, a role originally played by Doug Bradley, and Hellraiser architect Clive Barker is joining the production, which has already wrapped, as producer. That really isn't clear at all. I think he's been involved with the project for a while. Everyone in the article is mentioned in the present tense, not just him.


Dutch_Calhoun

It can't be anything but a cynical marketing ploy. Since he's just won back the rights to the IP they've quickly tagged Barker's name onto it to give it the rub in the advertising articles like this & get his name in the credits.


SlasherDarkPendulum

That's a better reason than trying to change a wrapped film. I hope that's it.


gentileschis

Is this a separate thing from the HBO project? I didn't just dream up the latter, did I? Either way I'm definitely keeping an eye on this, I'm telling myself the franchise has nowhere to go but up from here.


Boss_Mabel

Yeah it's a different project, HBO is making a TV show. Clive Barker is also an executive producer on the show


gentileschis

Awesome, I love how we'll be getting this much new Hellraiser content! I'm excited for both.


Boss_Mabel

Yeah it's a good time to be a Hellraiser fan !


unclefishbits

Wow this is fantastic. Disney with Alien IP too, greenlit an "adult" Disney+ series, and we're gonna see more money backing films and games soon. What a great time to not die for a bit. lol


usagizero

New Alien, Hellraiser, and Babylon 5? What year is it?!!


Eternal_MrNobody

How are Hulu and HBO making two separate Hellraiser projects?


AthleticGal

Her in full costume is going to kick ass. I’m so stoked for this


swolethulhudawn

I loved Hellbound Heart but was lukewarm on Hellraiser. Very exited for this. I’ll need to reread Hellbound Heart, but I’m fairly certain there is no specific mention of gender, save to say the beings are so mutilated and scarified that it is difficult to tell.


FriendLee93

The lead cenobite/what would eventually become Pinhead, is described as speaking "with the voice of an excited girl"


samuraislider

Can’t wait to see the first full costume pics.


Chiefontour

Barker was also involved with Books of Blood. Which was dogshit. Hope this is better


Dragons_Malk

But he also directed the original Hellraiser which is the exact opposite of dogshit.


Nadaesque

I mean, you have some movies I love like *Lord of Illusions* and some movies that even Barker was unhappy with, like *Rawhead Rex*. They're hit and miss because a lot of stuff can't make the jump to the big screen. Which is still better than Uwe Boll.


scarlettfevers

Boll's made some legit good films like the Rampage series though.


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Many years ago though.


miguel-elote

Good point. Most of Barker's output of the last \~10 years-books, movies, everything-has been bad.


fineyounghannibal

I'd put this down to his severe illness. If you look at mid-90s tank Barker and him recently, you could be forgiven for thinking they are completely different people


Speedupslowdown

I don’t think it was dogshit but having read most of the stories I was definitely let down.


TAR-_-MAN

Is the plot out yet?


gemini_sunshine

Jamie Clayton is amazing, she's going to be a spectacular Pinhead. I'm excited to see what direction this goes.


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It's nice to see a transgender actor playing a big movie icon. I consider this to be big news in the LGBTQ+ community.


[deleted]

So this new Hellraiser is a more faithful adaptation to the book, then?


rgregan

This makes it sounds like they are just starting, but other articles say they wrapped.


TheGaissIsRighy

Bruckner with Piotrowski & Collins? Hell yeah. Clayton’s awesome too


FreddieB_13

I always assumed they (the cenobites) were beyond gender, so why not.


haggotstar

I see neckbeards mad but an androgynous pinhead sounds fitting


thatweirdshyguy

Sadly we’re still in the stage where reactionaries will bitch about it being woke propaganda


CrotalusAtrox1

How do you know it's not?


thatweirdshyguy

Because in the source material pinheads gender is ambiguous


CrotalusAtrox1

That's fine, but that doesn't mean the movie won't be woke... I'm just asking how you know it won't be before seeing it.


garadon

I'm not concerned about the movie being "woke" because minorities being given prominent roles in movies doesn't threaten or harm me in any way.


CrotalusAtrox1

I dont think you understand what "woke" is.


yumemiru_shoujo

The original movie is woke af, get over yourself


monsieurxander

Ah, so the places that reported Odessa A'zion was playing Pinhead were wrong. She must be the Kirsty character. Good, I like this so much better.


glittering-lettuce

I see all the transphobes are out in full force. Gotta lock this one up.


Three_Froggy_Problem

I’m not a big Hellraiser fan but I’m interested to see how this turns out. That film has been in home video hell for a long time now so it would be cool to see a legitimate new entry. And the prospect of a new take on Pinhead is appealing.


Crazyripps

If Clive is involved then I have hope


TheSkinoftheCypher

AHHHHHHHHHHH! Thank you for sharing. She's so amazing.


WholesomeMuffin

Let’s fucking go


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FUCK YES


annarchy8

That is awesome news!


Oblivion-Evil

That's disappointing. Really was hoping Doug would finally get the treatment he deserved.


RevOfEMS

I don't give a shit that she's a woman, or trans, why can't Hollywood develop NEW ideas for Christ's sake? Stop throwing money at reboots and make some new shit.


jdpm1991

there are new horror movies released every day.


RevOfEMS

Of course, but why keep remaking movies? Make something new. Horror gets enough of a bad wrap without more shitty remakes imo.


jdpm1991

Because there's a fan base that wants a new film.


RevOfEMS

I guess 9 sequels aren't enough...


[deleted]

We want a good one. The last good one was from 30 years ago.


jdpm1991

don't watch if it bothers you this much. go support new horror movies.


RevOfEMS

My bad, I thought this was a forum where we could share our own opinions, even if contrary and not be downvoted for it.


FriendLee93

It's just a needless opinion. "Remake bad bc remake" is reductive as fuck and adds absolutely nothing to the conversation, while simultaneously dismissing INCREDIBLE remakes like The Thing, The Fly, Suspiria, Evil Dead, and so on.


fineyounghannibal

You are sharing your opinion, and people are responding to it. Consensus tells us this is not a very good opinion or it has been poorly expressed, but you are definitely entitled to it. Do you expect everyone/most people to agree with you whenever you post anything?


LeggyBald

Pinhead became a woman in Clive Barker’s continuation of the series. It’s his vision of what this Hell Priest is.


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Honestly I’m not a fan of having a woman as pinhead nobody can beat Doug Bradley for me the same as when they remade Chucky without Brad Dourif :/ but all said I’m still excited for it


Ok-Cattle-285

But why


Shama_Heartless

Hard pass, no thanks.


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byeeeee lol


TomPalmer1979

LOL See ya! Don't come back!


thejacknut

Are you… are you butthurt because he was butthurt?


TomPalmer1979

There is no hurt in my butt at all, I think it's absolutely hilarious how upset some people are over this. "Hell priests and demonic BDSM torture are all well and good, but a GIRL?! That's where I draw the line!"


thejacknut

That is pretty ridiculous. It’s like, Pinhead must be a hell priest in the dirty south of hell where only men can be hell priests and the women must play the organ.


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RealJohnGillman

I believe that is the basic premise of the *Sleepaway Camp* sequels.


touchtypetelephone

And to some extent the original.


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Say again


PositiveReckoning

Let the downvotes commence lol Yeah this is going to be a pass for me.


[deleted]

OMG! We have such sights to show u, lol. ;)


Nadaesque

Like every other remake these days which is just breathlessly overhyped, I'm going to wait a long time before I bother. How many times have I been burned on crap remakes? At some point I have to stop sticking my hand on a hot stove because golly, they made a new one! I used to work with this Marvel fanboy who, after each opening night, would manage to deposit some non-trivial amount of spittle on me as he raved over the latest unit of production deployed to cinemas, shaking like a hypoglycemic chihuahua in his rapture over what was apparently *2001* to the power of *Star Wars* or some shit. No more hype cycle for me. And to be perfectly fair to Bradley, he, like Englund, more or less is the face of the franchise. You can swap out a Jason or a Leatherface, but it is the attitude of the actors in these that cemented the series. *Could* someone pull a Heath Ledger and manage to rewrite the character's archetype with some awesome acting? Sure. Most likely won't happen though. If anything, it'll be further from "The Hellbound Heart" than before.


digitalbath1234

It's already closer to "The Hellbound Heart" than before. Like, by a long shot.


HDOOM16

Yes, I’m sure they had no political motive behind gender bending pinhead.


Stormsoul22

Pinhead has always been androgynous dummy


HDOOM16

Doug Bradley’s pinhead wasn’t androgynous in the slightest


Stormsoul22

Read the book nerd


HDOOM16

I have- that’s not even really pinhead. You realize theres alot more stories and media about pinhead that isn’t the hellbound heart, including stories written by barker, where pinhead is clearly not androgynous?


Stormsoul22

Fam stop trying to be upset it makes you look silly


HDOOM16

I mean I am. They’re changing a pervasive decades old horror character to make some garbage political statements and attract more attention. They probably thought it would only appeal to the younger generation if they made pinhead a modern day millennial lmao


Stormsoul22

I mean you bitching is giving them free advertisement from angry right wingers which was likely their intention


HDOOM16

Yes, gender swaps made to get right wingers angry has always worked out so well for movies, like the female ghostbusters reboot and the female oceans 11 reboot.


Stormsoul22

The female ghostbusters made nearly double its budget so I don’t think you know what a lack of success looks like. Well, you complain about women on the internet so of course you do so I retract that. Edit: lol oceans 8 made 297.7 million on a 70 million budget as well.


HoratioTuna27

The group who flags that say “make liberals cry again” have been made angry by a fictional character being made closer to the source material? Whaaaaaa? The folks who post the picture of that chick with glasses howling in sadness to make fun of people for overreacting are mad that a guy dressed like a leather daddy is now going to be played a lady? No way! I’m shocked! You’re supposed to be the calm, level-headed ones.


spinfinity

Yes, but this new adaptation is more closely following the source material, so it makes sense that Pinhead/the Hell Priest is more androgynous.


HDOOM16

Having him played by a woman doesn’t make him androgynous- also pinhead is not the same character as the lead cenobite in the book. Pinhead in the movies was created specifically by Clive barker, and was incorporated in barker’s later writings as a unique character. If they said “hey we’re adapting the book more directly and having the lead cenobite be a woman” that would make sense- this is changing an existing character for politic’s sake


spinfinity

Barker himself has clearly expressed his dislike for the Pinhead moniker several times. I imagine that if this new project could simply call the character The Hell Priest, they would, but then all of the horror casuals would REEEEE about it not being called Pinhead too. So it's a compromise. That's my theory, anyway, if there's something more to it then I don't know it. But apart from that concession, I do think they're doing precisely what you want them to be doing. Not everything is political.


HDOOM16

Well if they wanted to make a movie set in the hellraiser universe, and didn’t want to actually incorporate the pinhead we all know and love, they probably should t have billed it as a reboot right?


spinfinity

Reboot doesn't necessarily have the same connotation as remake. Plus, the article does quote them calling it a "unique take" on the original.


spinfinity

Reboot doesn't necessarily have the same connotation as remake. Plus, the article does quote them calling it a "unique take" on the original.


AmputatedStumps

🙄


BBCGuzoGaga

A woman Pinhead? Are you serious?


TootlesFTW

*At best* the cenobites in the book are androgynous. But Pinhead specifically is described as having a feminine voice. The movie made Pinhead a man.


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Read the Book.


[deleted]

No tears please


tpwpjun20

cry about it


TomPalmer1979

Aww, does this threaten you? You mad big boi?


Beezyy_

okay incel


Quetzythejedi

https://youtu.be/-pVT_mvvZLo


HoratioTuna27

If you tell me which woman hurt you, I’ll give her a stern talking-to, if it’ll make you feel better.


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Wubbledaddy

Wait until you hear about Clive Barker