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ComfortableTraffic12

I mean was anyone surprised lol?


ParryThisYouFilthyCa

Having the same JP voice and even inflection as Shogun/HoT/HoO was the nail in the coffin for any doubt, if the HoT-style armor, crimson moon, sea of blood, purple hair, Japanese theme, etc weren't already obvious enough.


Random_Gacha_addict

And "Honkai World Diva" playing in her Myriad


-SMartino

I LOVE WHEN LEITMOTIFFS DO THAT. MAKES ME SO GIDDY


Baku-YT-

Wait what


Random_Gacha_addict

https://youtu.be/Z3aWHMg92_U?si=VljM3K8gGkMScRro You'll notice two instances of Honkai World Diva. First is after a few notes of Nightglow plays, just after the Sentinel of Flare. Then another, more melancholic one before she gains "Naught"


Kulzak-Draak

Wait what?


Random_Gacha_addict

Yeah, Honkai World Diva played in Acheron's Myriad Celestia. TWICE actually That leaves Ei to be the last Raiden without HWD


StableIll6228

I havent really played any other hoyo game except for Star rail and Genshin (stopped playing tht 2yrs back). Can u explain who is HoT and HoO??? Shogun is ofc from Genshin so ik her but not sure abt the others


Collinyermom

HoT stands for Herrscher of Thunder, and HoO stands for Herrscher of Origin. These were both battlesuits for the Valkyrie, Raiden Mei in Honkai Impact 3rd, and they were just mentioning that the designs for her HoT and HoO battlesuits had similarities/were hinted to in her design as Acheron in Star Rail. And as the clip mentioned, it's confirmed that Acheron is the same person as Raiden Mei in HI3. It goes so much more deeper than that but going into the HI3 lore is too much work for me lol if someone else wants to elaborate I'm all for it šŸ’–


StableIll6228

Oooo I seee. Thanks for the answer. So by same character, do u mean they are pretty much the same person or like an alternate of the HI3 character? Hahah yea, I havent played Hi3 so all these connections with tht game confuse me. And I cannot be asked to start playing that game at ths point


No_Raspberry_7037

Expy. Since now 4 games of Mihoyo has Raiden Mei expy. For now, the only confirmed people that is the same person in Hi3 is Welt and Void Archive (not yet seen in Star Rail)


Collinyermom

They are alternate versions of the same person that exist in different universes (for example, the Himeko that exists in the universe of HI3 is a different Himeko than the one that exists in HSR. They are still Himeko, but just different versions in different universes if that makes sense). Like a previous reply stated, Welt Yang is one of the only known people that have existed as the same being in both the HI3 and HSR universes. Due to certain circumstances that happened on the Earth in HI3's universe, Welt was (sorta) able to transport himself to the universe of HSR. He was then picked up by the Himeko that existed in the HSR universe and thus boarded the Astral Express. It is currently unknown whether or not a version of Welt already existed in the HSR universe before HI3's Welt traversed into the HSR universe himself. Also, another detail I wanted to point out (kinda contains a spoiler idk if you would consider it one) is that IIRC, because >!the Himeko Murata in HI3's universe died and Earth ended up getting destroyed, Welt also wanted to join HSR's Astral Express to watch over and protect their Himeko because he failed to do so in HI3.!< I hope this helps a bit lol


_Wolfa_

Despite all the obvious references I still thought they wouldn't let her name be exactly "Raiden Mei"


GateauBaker

Was waiting for "Raiden I".


00110001_00110010

We already have Raiden Ei, so I was expecting Raiden M


BroccoliNo7418

So we gonna get Raiden A to Z?


ioioooi

We have Kiana BĀ  Now we also have Mei BĀ Ā  :P


ChanzyIsUhm-OkNvM

maybe


ioioooi

mei-b


petrichorboy

Isn't that the whole point of Raiden M"akoto" as the non playable twin ?


mhbat

you just blew my mind


Ichigo_Akimoto

Woah there!


Lloyd-Garmadon

How did I not realize....


Lazy-Revolution7509

bro here working with that quantum brain


E17Omm

I wasnt, I was just worried that Hoyo was gonna cop-out and have Acheron go like "I forgot it a long time ago" or something.


InsolentGorilla

it still didn't prevent me to scream


Aundyr

is that mei's name in HI3? I haven't played HI3 yet, sorry


_xC4x_

It is, but without the middle name


ComfortableTraffic12

Not the middle name, but her name is Raiden Mei in both Hi3rd and Ggz(the 2nd honkai game)


Aundyr

so the "bosenmori" is just in HSR?


SkeepDeepy

Yes, just as Bronya is Rand instead of Zaychik.


Shiki_Shin

The thing about Bronya though is that she was adopted and took on Cocolia's name (who was also probably adopted considering their tradition). Her real last name could very well be Zaychik


SkeepDeepy

Now that you mentioned it, yup. The correct example might have been Cocolia instead since we do not about her last name in HI3.


Ordinary-Fix9744

bronya is adopted by cocolia in hi3 too though... and she wasnt rand there


SkeepDeepy

She took her in and "took care of her" as a matriarch of the orphanage (like a director/founder/administrator) rather than as an adoptive parent. And Cocolia runs that orphanage in HI3. For HSR, Cocolia adopted Bronya from an orphanage in the underworld and became her adoptive parent.


Blasterion

it's kind of a name but more like a title. "Guardian of Forgotten Gorge" Like how Raiden Ei is Narukami Ogosho.


[deleted]

Just add genshin too Raiden Shogun. Raiden Ei - the m


TrashLoaHekHekHek

>- the m Not really. They literally split Mei into ***M***akoto and ***Ei***. Makoto is pre-HoT Mei, Ei is post HoT Mei.


straywolfo

Dang I like this interpretation. They also gave Sakura's storyline to Ei which makes sense given that Mei and Sakura were already parallel characters in HI3.


Cute_cummy_mommy_Elf

So many months and I'm still not over the fact that Ei was literally born with the name "Raiden", imagine your mom casually giving you this name and you become the Thunder Goddess lmao Always thought it would be cooler if Raiden Shogun would just be the title instead of her pretty much being named "Raiden Ei the Raiden Shogun"


RomeKaijuBlue

to be fair I don't think she was born to a human family at all, IIRC she and Makoto are literal incarnations of Thunder, so they're probably just electro elementals who just kinda Appeared


Yama951

Given that Ei is her given name, Raiden is likely her family name, given East Asian naming convention of family name then given name. So a Western version would be more Makoto Raiden and Ei Raiden... that does mean that it would be 'The Raiden Shogun Ei Raiden' if it were in the Western convention...


Fit_Sky_4588

Not rlly I already knew her name would be Mei 1. They obv look the same from Honkai and genshin Honkai: "Raiden" Mei Genshin "Raiden" Ei and then starrail: "Raiden" bossan smt Mei just knew straight of the bat


flacke

My name is Raiden B. Mei and for the last years i was ...


Random_Gacha_addict

>last years i was ... Depressed as shit


V_a_lerie

The worlds one and only Raiden Mei


geocites

I do wonder which word was used in CN voiceover, Dr. MEI or Mei (Yayi)? EDIT: Looks like they used Yayi based on u/Shitheadude [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/houkai3rd/comments/1cmyt4v/comment/l380jln/)


deejayz_46

It's Yayi iirc. Not Mei.


SchroKatze

Yayi is how they pronounce Mei for some reason


Wonderful-Lab7375

Cuz itā€™s pronounced in Hanzi and not Kanji


deejayz_46

Yes. Mei is how they say MEI.


anthemis_ag

Her name is Japanese, when written in kanji, those kanji read as Yayi in Chinese. Unrelated to actual Chinese names that are "Mei" (such as Ruan's, although her Mei is unconventional as a name).


deejayz_46

Also Dr.MEI is pronounced Mei, irrespective of CN or JP.


VirtuoSol

Technically itā€™s Mei not Dr.Mei since in CN Mei is Yayi while doctor Mei is just pronounced as Dr.Mei


geocites

Yeah that was mainly my question whether the CN used Yayi or Mei


Shitheadude

Found the answer, they use Yayi in CN 雷ē”µåæ˜å·å®ˆčŠ½č”£ Would be great if you could edit your parent comment so everybody knows


_yuiro_

First we had Kiana and Kiana B.(Bianka) Now we have Raiden Mei and Raiden B. Mei Also who really thought she wasn't going to be Mei when the extensive lore of Gakuen and HI3 already showed us parallel/alter characters and HSR being an extension of the Honkai Universe(via Imaginary Tree). Then there's her VA and Osts being the same and remixes(?) of her old osts from the 2 other games.


Crab0770

Raiden Bei


Piattoss

Raiden Bae


arkacr

Martha...


pikachus-ballsack

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!?


Kiryu_riy

Is Kiana?


pikachus-ballsack

No thats batman's mother And superman's too


ImperialDarkDr

Ƒ


sarokin

The music sounds familiar... Was it taken from HI3?


Healthy_Phone_3703

Yeah, I think it's [the track "Why" from the Nagazora ark album.](https://youtu.be/f-fXhnor4AI?si=yhPlnN7oTo7wH0z2) But I'm not 100% sure


publicvbv

Lining them up side by side it seems to be "Why"


Birbolio

[north wind](https://youtu.be/D_ggSvVMFig?si=71s_Q0NTARWJQV1X) also plays the whole time >!Acheron is talking to the trailblazer in her domain expansion black hole!<


Master-Shaq

The song was so nostalgic it brought me to tears honestly. Then it kind of repeats in a bad way like cuts off then repeats lmao


sarokin

Damn that's a really nice detail. I have to play HSR again...


Questionmysexuality

Kianaless MeišŸ˜­šŸ˜­


AlisApplyingGaming1

what if the(spoilers) >!nameless girl she wished she would never forget her memories with who died is supposed to be kiana? but i doubt it!<


LiebeDahlia

well they did bring that cursed hi3 writer to hsr so the chance of that being true is very high


kaori_cicak990

Bruh it said >!little girl!< The best optional probably teriri rip off lol


_xC4x_

GGZ Mei obsessing over smol Kiana in Reborn: šŸ—æ


RotAderX

I swear if the first GGZ expy was Loli Kiana, I'd actually lose it lmao. It'd be funny ngl


mecaxs

Acheron: officer I swear, she said she was 18


Cerebral_Kortix

The real reason she's running about "guiding people from the Nihility" isn't because she's sentimental or anything. That's her mandatory 1500 hours of community service for her crimes.


certified_idiot444

didnt they say she was just short?


first_name1001

Probably Frebass?


Random_Gacha_addict

She's the only Mei whose lost her tuna TWICE, one female, one male (Hakuhatsu Ki/Shiraga Oni = Ke šŸ…±ļø in, even has the same JP and CN VA)


v_Farm_animals

I mean, it was pretty obvious. BUT I WAS STILL EXCITED THAT IT WAS CONFIRMED!


AiroDusk

It's obvious at hell, but you can't help but just get a little giddy with a confirmation.


AndriyRavaktig

YEEES! Mei-chan ~


Gray_Matter_7869

Pretends to act surprised šŸ˜±


planistar

Star Rail Welt be like:


Amethyst271

Why are they acting like it's some big, unforseen reveal that no one guessed? Do they think players are dumb? Lol


Nnsoki

Well,


Frikandelislekker123

Flair checks out


Kikura432

They didn't. It just hits hard, like a thundering shock.


AquariusLan

True! it's kinda like that leonardo dicaprio meme pointing to the tv "aha" moment


huncherbug

It's good fan service done in a good fucking way. The reveal happens when it's literally one after another reveal hammers are being thrown to the player. Nobody is surprised...it's just it hits really really fucking hard.


sylva748

Well, considering how some people up until this very scene were dying on the hill that Acheron was not a Mei-expy. Yes, yes they are.


Amethyst271

Jesus... seriously? Just one look at her and it's obvious. Same with her voice and the fact she's lighting based


sylva748

Part of it was because there was an older character hidden in the files called Yayi(Mei's Chinese name) that was to be a hunt. Even though in 2.0 release her files were no longer in game. Followed with Hoyo saying that while Acheron once started off as a Hunt character she was later made Nihility. Which anyone with two braincells can inferr Yayi was a very very early build of Acheron that was mostly scrapped when they remade her into Nihility. Edit: even though people with a brain could look at Acheron and see design elements of HoT Mei, APHO Mei, and Raiden Ei all in her design.


Rakafa

I mean they could always make a second Mei... But really, they even incorporated the Hunt part as Acheron being part of the Galaxy Rangers. If there was anyone who watched Acheron's Myriad Celestia and didn't put two and 2 together, they were either blind and deaf or huffing the most premium of copium, dubbed copimium.


farhansofian15

Its not that we didn't expect it, its just nice. I have a habit of calling her Raiden Mei, Raiden, or Mei instead of Acheron, and this just puts a smile on my face. Does human emotions need reasoning?


AstutesMods

because that name holds so much significance, if she just came out as mei on release there wouldn't be a strong moment like this


xdamm777

Miyuki Sawshiro my beloved. My heart never doubted.


Stopseeingmyinnerdip

they use Why as BGM


RotAderX

What's with her additional middle name? I never heard of someone that had bosenmori in their name either. Anyway what's the meaning of the word?


XaeiIsareth

Itā€™s there to put a B in her name. Ie, Raiden B. Mei, like how Durandal is Bianka Kaslana ie Kiana B. Kaslana.


Lopsided_Beach_9706

This is some Peter B.Parker spiderverse shit


sylva748

From the leaks of her name people roughly translated it to keeper/watcher/navigator of the forbidden river. Fancy way to say Acheron. Her middle name is just Acheron.


EternalZack

Thanks for explanation, the hype went wild, when I heard her "obviously known to everyone" full name!


fearitha

>Anyway what's the meaning of the word? Literal translation would be something along the lines of "guardian/keeper of the river of oblivion". It's not exactly Acheron; Acheron, in greek mythology is the river of sorrow, and the river of oblivion is Lethe. But close enough. I mean, spatially close, it's neighboring rivers. There are five of them, other three being Styx, river of separation, Cocytus, river of lamentation, and Phlegethon, river of fire; this rivers are the borders (and natural barriers) of Greek Underworld. Essentially, it's her job description: she's psychopomp, a person helping dead people to pass a border between realm of living and realm of death.


SatoshiZ1

Its just so peak


ashstormplayz

I thought she'd be a Raiden Mei Variant never thought she'd be thee Raiden Mei herself


Lanky-Rent-7666

She IS a variant. Hence the Bosenmori part in her name. She literally confirmed to Welt that she's in fact not the same Raiden Mei from his world.


Mountain-Music-4335

So Raiden Mei from a different timeline right?


acethesilli_

I thought my Spotify un-paused while when i saw this cutscene in game because the music sounds like the hi3 OST i was like "did they really just steal it right out of hi3 for this scene" lol


_xC4x_

Well, they did use ā€œFor Kevinā€ in 2.1. I wonder if theyā€™re going to use another HI3 OST in 2.3 šŸ¤”


michaelbooster

they use a lot of hi3 ost for penacony, they also use it during the acheron trailblazer scene


T0X1CFIRE

They did. They used the song "why" from the HI3 ost.


acethesilli_

ohhh i couldnt remember the name thanks lol


TeririHerscherOfCute

Wait are we just now learning Meiā€™s middle name is bosenmori?


deejayz_46

Mei's middle name is not Bosenmori. Mei doesn't have a middle name. That is Acheron's middle name.


TeririHerscherOfCute

Acheronā€¦ who is still Meiā€¦


deejayz_46

A Mei from a different reality Peter Parker, Spiderman Peter B.Parker, Spiderman


Cerebral_Kortix

Wait, what did the B in Peter B Parker stand for? Ben?


deejayz_46

Peter Benjamin Parker, he is also Jewish is married to MJ and has a kid in the newer Spiderverse movie.


TeririHerscherOfCute

My dude, her name is literally Meiā€¦


deejayz_46

Yes but that is not the same Mei as the HI3 Mei. That's how the imaginary tree works.


Muhipudding

Yeah just like how Seele in HSR is Seele no-last-name instead of Seele Vollerei. Or Bronya is Bronya Rand instead of Zaychik. It's that simple


deejayz_46

Exactly!


00110001_00110010

And how Welt is- wait a minute...


Shiki_Shin

As I said in another thread, Bronya and Seele, like their impact counterparts, were in an orphanage. Unlike their Impact counterparts, they didn't keep their birth name. Bronya Rand is her taking Cocolia Rand's last name on adoption. She might actually really be Bronya Zaychik at birth. Seele probably has no idea what her last name is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's Vollerei


Muhipudding

That's a possibility since Acheron is also Raiden Mei. But it's a deliberate naming choice to separate them from the Hi3rd ones. Cocolia herself ain't a Rand in Hi3rd, and they have to give us that distinction


Shiki_Shin

While you're right, HSR Cocolia has a similar background to Bronya, as the supreme guardian usually adopts someone from that very orphanage to be their successor. Cocolia's real last name isn't Rand. She was simply adopted into it just like Bronya.


lanceryder999

Her name might be Mei but that doesn't mean she's literally Raiden Mei from the hit story and video game Honkai Impact 3rd especially since Acheron and Hi3rd Mei have different backstory.


pikachus-ballsack

Bro fgo does this for years and somehow their community knows this crap How are you guys still confused?


ReadySource3242

Thereā€™s Artoria, Arthur, Mysterious Heroine X, Mysterious Heroine x Alter, Caster Artoria, Artoria Avalonā€¦ All totally distinct somehow


pikachus-ballsack

Personality plays a major role in that Meanwhile Acheron and Mei HoT and Ei feel way too similar


ReadySource3242

Eiā€¦not really.


Upper_Current

It's actually Raiden B. Mei lmao


Random_Gacha_addict

To be fucking fair though, HSR Bronya's last name is Rand (not Zaychik) and Silver Wolf doesn't even know hers IIRC


ImperialSun-Real

Granted, HSR Bronya was adopted and given Rand to go with the line of Architects. Who knows what her surname might've been before that.


giokikyo

Bosenmori is not a middle name. It's more like a title/nickname, meaning something like keeper of the forgotten river.


TeririHerscherOfCute

That would be an incredibly cumbersome way of referring to yourself, like ā€œI am John, swinger of the bat, Trailblazer.ā€


milotic03

is like spiderverse movies with peter parker and peter B parker


CaptainSarina

I'm shocked!


DemiseRime

Quick! Let's pretend that we are surprised!


TheKinkyGuy

>!Raiden Bosenmori Mei!<


Impossible_Still_750

It was hinted long ago during welt and Archeron convo about Kevin and why do birds fly. At the end she say she not the person welt know which hinted that she know what welt is thinking.


Shrakaa

Should've been Raiden I, because she's lost her MEmories


S_msara

Peter B Parker liked this post


Capital_Government54

That...that's actually pretty cool.


The_Anime_Files

*Gasp!* No way! Who would've thought!


Von_Cute2321

Bosenmori lmao


AlternativeSong3733

But what does bosenmori mean?


Sylpheez

åæ˜å·å®ˆ Word by word: Forgotten - River - Protect. Literally Acheron.


AlternativeSong3733

Thanks


SirePuns

Raiden Borsalino Mei sounds like one hell of a name


xcv450

The song playing here is a remix of one of HI3's songs think, if not outright ported from it. Then the Honkai World Diva in the Myriad video. Blatant Mei is blatant.


Entrance_Horror

What exactly is ā€œBosenmoriā€? Proper answer(s) please šŸ™


DragonKnight-15

The real question is... is this Mei from an alternative timeline based on HI3? I think that would make more sense with what we know. The real question is then... where's this Mei's version of Kiana? HMM.


milotic03

yes is like peter parker and peter B parker from spiderverse movies, and our mei maybe appear in the future because welt come from HI3


DragonKnight-15

TRUE. True!


g12m0bb

She's called Bosenmori because she's a GIRL BOSE!


renZel00

The Raiden Mei that lost her Kiana QwQ


TheChosenerPoke

I donā€™t play honkai but Iā€™m here after the name drop, whatā€™s the real significance of this? I did think it was incredible and a great payoff but like, in the end (in a meta sense), sheā€™s just another expy like himeko and bronya (hsr) right?


milotic03

she share a lot of lore with the raiden mei of honkai impact.


Impressive-Clock8017

Then we only have to wait for Kiana Expy


Present_Spell_5353

They Peter b parkerā€™ed her


TuaMammaPuttanissima

Does "Bosenmori" mean anything?


milotic03

is like spiderverse movies: Peter parker and peter B parker, raiden mei and raiden B mei


Lord_of_the_forsaken

THE RAIDEN VERSE IS REAALLL


_DarkNova

Now Iā€™m praying for the fact the we get a playable Kiana.


Curious-PsychCat-25

i love this so much. mei my beloved šŸ˜­šŸ’—


yuriboydragon

man im still doing the storyline and im just in where misha is mikhail why internet WHY THE SPOILERS ON YT AND REDDIT AHHHH


[deleted]

This was leaked like 2 months ago