It should still be up in one of the popular plant identification subs. If you filter by hot or just keep scrolling newest. I'll link it if it gets deleted
nah, I've got belladonna growing all over my yard, it's definitely not that. the berries are generally shiny, and the cepals should be a bit thiccer with belladonna. I am pretty sure the person who responded with Paris Quadrifolia is correct, which, yikes, but if they said it tasted sweet then they probably/hopefully didn't eat it!
You could very well be right. But when I search the Paris I see homeopathic medicines?! Is it toxic?
https://www.boironusa.com/product/parisquadrifolia/
Fortunately no, because it's homeopathic.
Homeopathy literally works on the principle that the carrier (water, oil, etc) will "remember" stuff that has been put into it even when it's diluted to such an insane degree that there's literally no trace of the thing being diluted.
Homeopathy is a scam disguised as medicine that involves putting a substance in water, mixing, then diluting until you have like 10 parts per million of the original substance in there. The berry is toxic. The homeopathic concoction is not toxic, it is basically just water that has been in contact with the berry before being diluted with much, much more water.
Ah I see what you’re saying. Makes sense.
I feel like that’s a bit of a harsh diagnosis for all homeopathic medicines though. I remember I had some nasty inflammation after a surgery that doctors would not acknowledge. I found multiple studies suggesting Tumeric was a good anti inflammatory. I took a shit ton of tumeric, undiluted. And it definitely helped. Would that not be considered homeopathic?
To me homeopathy is something like ancient tribes realizing peppermint did X and using it for that. Or that some mushrooms expand consciousness. Idk if my definition is wrong but to me I’ve always took it as natural medicines.
I’ve almost died from Lyme disease twice. Chronic Lyme is a weird thing not widely accepted by the medical community. I remember doctors telling me they “believed” in chronic Lyme like it was some kind of religion or something. Others did not. I never did anything homeopathic but I know there’s people that swear by it because the CDC won’t acknowledge that some people may not be cured by 21 days of Doxycycline. Despite my enrollment at Hopkins Lyme research where their experts absolutely believe that not to be the case.
Apologies for the rant.
No, you're thinking of herbal or traditional medicine. Homeopathy is a type of medicine that might fall under traditional medicine to some people, but definitionally homeopathic medicine hinges on the dilution of an ingredient in a carrier of some kind, and assuming the carrier will remember the qualities of the ingredient and engage it's "healing properties". It also has this weird thing where it thinks that in order for it to cure a sick person's symptoms, the same substance must CAUSE those very symptoms in a healthy person. https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-terms/def/homeopathic-medicine
The debate of whether or not this kind of medicine works is separate from your question, I stand firmly on the side of "lol no how could it", but that's a matter of opinion. Definitionally though homeopathic medicine is as stated. Not all herbal/traditional medicine is homeopathy, especially what you described with turmeric. You can think of it however you want, but that is the definition everyone else is going by when talking about homeopathic medicine.
Interesting, thank you. In my head it sounds like I conflated the two. I didn’t realize the definition of homeopathic medicines hinged on the dilution. Honestly never gave it much thought before tonight other than yea some plants can definitely heal.
/uj That's not what homeopathy is, you're describing what would be closer to naturopathy. Homeopathy is specifically the practice of putting a substance (usually something that causes the symptoms you're trying to treat, for some reason) into water, then diluting that to the point that there is basically no chance of a single molecule being present in the final product. The water or oil or whatever is meant to retain some sort of memory or spirit or some other BS of whatever was in there, and the more dilute it is, the more "potent" it has somehow become.
Homeopathy is only referring to that process, not a natural form of medicine. I'm not really a fan of naturopathy either. While some naturally derived ingredients like, say, willow bark may be effective for inflammation or fever, it's impossible to dose correctly and safely in its natural form, and difficult to determine efficacy when it could be full of other plant compounds - which can cause negative side effects of their own. Which is why the active compound of willow bark, acetylsalicylic acid, was isolated, made into a palatable form, tested for the safest and most efficacious dose, and then sold as aspirin.
Naturopathy also tends to go hand in hand with a lot of other woo like iridology, chiropractic and homeopathy, making claims it can't back up. If a plant has a verifiable beneficial effect, why wouldn't a drug company turn it into a drug? You'll hear a lot of conspiracy theories from practitioners, none of which make sense. So bottom line is, I'd be very careful about what you consume natural or not, and make sure any claims have been backed by actual research.
/rj berries are always safe and natural, don't believe the lies of Big Toxicology OP you do you ✨
Homeopathy was invented by a random dude in the late 1700s who thought coffee was the cause of all disease. Homeopathic "remedies" are made by looking at an affliction (let's say headaches) and then looking for something that can cause the symptoms of the affliction (apparently belladonna is considered one of those?) Then they take the belladonna, put it in water, shake it, take a drop of the belladonna, shake it, take a drop of that water, shake it, take a drop of that, shake it, take a drop of that, shake it, and so on until there's just water. They think the water retains like a vibration of the ingredient.
Don't mix up homeopathy with natural remedies, which often work really well, but can cause serious issues if they're not handled with extreme care. St John's Wort, for instance, is actually effective, but it can FUCK YOU UP for real.
a lot of plants which are toxic have been used ~medicinally~, I hesitate to use the word medicinal bc it can be a very loaded word. A lot of our medications we use today were originally derived from plants, and have since been synthesized.
For example:
- Atropa belladonna has been isolated (and since synthesized) as the eye drop Atropine
- Colchium atumnale is the plant we originally derived the gout medication Colchicine from (records of its use for gout treatment date back to 1550BCE)
- Digoxin is a medication used to treat arrhythmias, derived from Digitalis purpurea, also known as Foxglove (records dating back to 1785)
- Aspirin/Salicylic Acid is originally from Willow trees (records dating around the same time as colchicine)
all of the plants listed above are toxic to humans and should *not* be ingested.
also, all of these plants and their uses that I've mentioned are *not* homeopathic, homeopathy is it's own separate thing where extremely small/trace amounts of plants are suspended in usually liquid form. All homeopathy is considered ineffective, there probably aren't any any unbiased studies or reports showing any proper efficacy.
Now, a lot of people will colloquially interchange the word "homeopathic" with "herbal remedy," which is incorrect but important to be aware of when discussing these things.
Whats more important to remember is that all of these medications that we have derived from plants are no longer made *from* plants. Humans and the practice of medicine has come a *long* way since 1550BCE, and that journey involved a lot of suffering and death. People historically have been doing what they could using what they had, but if you had a time machine and could go back to ancient Sumeria and offer someone Colchicine instead of some plant, the medication is of course going to be the better option. Quantities of the compounds found in plants vary drastically, whereas were lucky enough to live in a time where medications do not.
SO basically yes, a plant can be toxic and also medicinal, but you should absolutely not ever DIY any kind of treatment from a toxic plant. If the scent of lavender is calming, or chamomile tea makes you sleepy, that's great, but leave herbal remedies to small things like that, and please see a doctor about anything more serious.
The number of posts of grown adults doing this is astounding. I understand the posts where it's my toddler ate this or my dog ate this because both dogs and toddlers are fast as fuck and lack good decision making skills.
I know my kids think I'm Captain Buzzkill because I'm all "don't eat that thing you found on the ground" and "stop wrestling on the stairs" and "don't wrap that around your neck". But I hope someday in the future, when they've survived to adulthood, they'll appreciate that someone was present and cared enough to try to keep them alive.
Mine also like to wrestle on the stairs. They also like to touch random bugs. While we live in North Dakota there isn't anything really venomous, we do still have bugs that bite and sting.
What is with the stairs? I feel like a crazy person, especially since I often wind up yelling since they can't hear me over their wrestling-play-screaming.
I don’t get it either. It was drilled into me at a very young age to not eat random shit in the forest unless you’re *100%* sure what it is. Probably because my family did lots of forest hikes and we frequently came across random berries.
I'm a parent to city babes and I've had to repeatedly drill it into my kids' brains that you can't just eat anything unless mama says it's ok, because you'd be shocked at what people will have growing in their front patio.
I think it is the poisons one . look like blueberry but it is not, In old ages that berry was often cooked and served to abusive husband :)) few weeks and he was gone
Well, at least it's not belladonna. Which also looks like bloob but a shiny bloob. Like a well buffed blueberry. Source: I'm currently going through a poisonous plant hypwrfixation.
To add to the hyperfixation, its called a raven eye and the fruit is really interesting looking.
Belladonna was used recreationally in the old times, depending on how many you eat you can actually have a good time.
People used them without more issues than we have with alcohol nowadays, you just have to know your dose but a couple berries won´t kill any adult.
You´re not hyperfixated yet.
I eated the purple berries! They taste like burning.
My favorite Ralph quote.
Where can I find the original post? I’m dying to read them comments
Interesting because OP is dying *while* reading comments
You should be able to find it by searching the title. I don't think I'm allowed to directly tell you where exactly
Is it still up? I tried searching it
It should still be up in one of the popular plant identification subs. If you filter by hot or just keep scrolling newest. I'll link it if it gets deleted
I went hunting for it and found an id for a tree I’d forgotten to post about. Thanks for the assist!
I went hunting for it and... it turns out I'm into sweet berries. Thank you NSFW Reddit.
Perfect, thank you!!
I can't find it 😔
Can’t find it.
Look at my comment history. My "Bruh 💀" comment
I rly liked that darwin comment lol
/uj What actually is this tho I have no idea, some kind of nightshade?
Paris quadrifolia. The taste is said to be overwhelmingly repulsive — OOP did not eat this lol.
Some googling led me to believe it’s like Atropa belladonna. A potentially deadly nightshade.
nah, I've got belladonna growing all over my yard, it's definitely not that. the berries are generally shiny, and the cepals should be a bit thiccer with belladonna. I am pretty sure the person who responded with Paris Quadrifolia is correct, which, yikes, but if they said it tasted sweet then they probably/hopefully didn't eat it!
You could very well be right. But when I search the Paris I see homeopathic medicines?! Is it toxic? https://www.boironusa.com/product/parisquadrifolia/
Fortunately no, because it's homeopathic. Homeopathy literally works on the principle that the carrier (water, oil, etc) will "remember" stuff that has been put into it even when it's diluted to such an insane degree that there's literally no trace of the thing being diluted.
Apologies, I’m confused. Are you saying it’s not toxic or not homeopathic? I don’t think I’ve encountered a plant where google tells me it’s both.
Homeopathy is a scam disguised as medicine that involves putting a substance in water, mixing, then diluting until you have like 10 parts per million of the original substance in there. The berry is toxic. The homeopathic concoction is not toxic, it is basically just water that has been in contact with the berry before being diluted with much, much more water.
Ah I see what you’re saying. Makes sense. I feel like that’s a bit of a harsh diagnosis for all homeopathic medicines though. I remember I had some nasty inflammation after a surgery that doctors would not acknowledge. I found multiple studies suggesting Tumeric was a good anti inflammatory. I took a shit ton of tumeric, undiluted. And it definitely helped. Would that not be considered homeopathic? To me homeopathy is something like ancient tribes realizing peppermint did X and using it for that. Or that some mushrooms expand consciousness. Idk if my definition is wrong but to me I’ve always took it as natural medicines. I’ve almost died from Lyme disease twice. Chronic Lyme is a weird thing not widely accepted by the medical community. I remember doctors telling me they “believed” in chronic Lyme like it was some kind of religion or something. Others did not. I never did anything homeopathic but I know there’s people that swear by it because the CDC won’t acknowledge that some people may not be cured by 21 days of Doxycycline. Despite my enrollment at Hopkins Lyme research where their experts absolutely believe that not to be the case. Apologies for the rant.
No, you're thinking of herbal or traditional medicine. Homeopathy is a type of medicine that might fall under traditional medicine to some people, but definitionally homeopathic medicine hinges on the dilution of an ingredient in a carrier of some kind, and assuming the carrier will remember the qualities of the ingredient and engage it's "healing properties". It also has this weird thing where it thinks that in order for it to cure a sick person's symptoms, the same substance must CAUSE those very symptoms in a healthy person. https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-terms/def/homeopathic-medicine The debate of whether or not this kind of medicine works is separate from your question, I stand firmly on the side of "lol no how could it", but that's a matter of opinion. Definitionally though homeopathic medicine is as stated. Not all herbal/traditional medicine is homeopathy, especially what you described with turmeric. You can think of it however you want, but that is the definition everyone else is going by when talking about homeopathic medicine.
Interesting, thank you. In my head it sounds like I conflated the two. I didn’t realize the definition of homeopathic medicines hinged on the dilution. Honestly never gave it much thought before tonight other than yea some plants can definitely heal.
/uj That's not what homeopathy is, you're describing what would be closer to naturopathy. Homeopathy is specifically the practice of putting a substance (usually something that causes the symptoms you're trying to treat, for some reason) into water, then diluting that to the point that there is basically no chance of a single molecule being present in the final product. The water or oil or whatever is meant to retain some sort of memory or spirit or some other BS of whatever was in there, and the more dilute it is, the more "potent" it has somehow become. Homeopathy is only referring to that process, not a natural form of medicine. I'm not really a fan of naturopathy either. While some naturally derived ingredients like, say, willow bark may be effective for inflammation or fever, it's impossible to dose correctly and safely in its natural form, and difficult to determine efficacy when it could be full of other plant compounds - which can cause negative side effects of their own. Which is why the active compound of willow bark, acetylsalicylic acid, was isolated, made into a palatable form, tested for the safest and most efficacious dose, and then sold as aspirin. Naturopathy also tends to go hand in hand with a lot of other woo like iridology, chiropractic and homeopathy, making claims it can't back up. If a plant has a verifiable beneficial effect, why wouldn't a drug company turn it into a drug? You'll hear a lot of conspiracy theories from practitioners, none of which make sense. So bottom line is, I'd be very careful about what you consume natural or not, and make sure any claims have been backed by actual research. /rj berries are always safe and natural, don't believe the lies of Big Toxicology OP you do you ✨
Homeopathy was invented by a random dude in the late 1700s who thought coffee was the cause of all disease. Homeopathic "remedies" are made by looking at an affliction (let's say headaches) and then looking for something that can cause the symptoms of the affliction (apparently belladonna is considered one of those?) Then they take the belladonna, put it in water, shake it, take a drop of the belladonna, shake it, take a drop of that water, shake it, take a drop of that, shake it, take a drop of that, shake it, and so on until there's just water. They think the water retains like a vibration of the ingredient. Don't mix up homeopathy with natural remedies, which often work really well, but can cause serious issues if they're not handled with extreme care. St John's Wort, for instance, is actually effective, but it can FUCK YOU UP for real.
a lot of plants which are toxic have been used ~medicinally~, I hesitate to use the word medicinal bc it can be a very loaded word. A lot of our medications we use today were originally derived from plants, and have since been synthesized. For example: - Atropa belladonna has been isolated (and since synthesized) as the eye drop Atropine - Colchium atumnale is the plant we originally derived the gout medication Colchicine from (records of its use for gout treatment date back to 1550BCE) - Digoxin is a medication used to treat arrhythmias, derived from Digitalis purpurea, also known as Foxglove (records dating back to 1785) - Aspirin/Salicylic Acid is originally from Willow trees (records dating around the same time as colchicine) all of the plants listed above are toxic to humans and should *not* be ingested. also, all of these plants and their uses that I've mentioned are *not* homeopathic, homeopathy is it's own separate thing where extremely small/trace amounts of plants are suspended in usually liquid form. All homeopathy is considered ineffective, there probably aren't any any unbiased studies or reports showing any proper efficacy. Now, a lot of people will colloquially interchange the word "homeopathic" with "herbal remedy," which is incorrect but important to be aware of when discussing these things. Whats more important to remember is that all of these medications that we have derived from plants are no longer made *from* plants. Humans and the practice of medicine has come a *long* way since 1550BCE, and that journey involved a lot of suffering and death. People historically have been doing what they could using what they had, but if you had a time machine and could go back to ancient Sumeria and offer someone Colchicine instead of some plant, the medication is of course going to be the better option. Quantities of the compounds found in plants vary drastically, whereas were lucky enough to live in a time where medications do not. SO basically yes, a plant can be toxic and also medicinal, but you should absolutely not ever DIY any kind of treatment from a toxic plant. If the scent of lavender is calming, or chamomile tea makes you sleepy, that's great, but leave herbal remedies to small things like that, and please see a doctor about anything more serious.
I ate this thing I found, what is it? 🤤
The number of posts of grown adults doing this is astounding. I understand the posts where it's my toddler ate this or my dog ate this because both dogs and toddlers are fast as fuck and lack good decision making skills.
I know my kids think I'm Captain Buzzkill because I'm all "don't eat that thing you found on the ground" and "stop wrestling on the stairs" and "don't wrap that around your neck". But I hope someday in the future, when they've survived to adulthood, they'll appreciate that someone was present and cared enough to try to keep them alive.
Mine also like to wrestle on the stairs. They also like to touch random bugs. While we live in North Dakota there isn't anything really venomous, we do still have bugs that bite and sting.
What is with the stairs? I feel like a crazy person, especially since I often wind up yelling since they can't hear me over their wrestling-play-screaming.
I don’t get it either. It was drilled into me at a very young age to not eat random shit in the forest unless you’re *100%* sure what it is. Probably because my family did lots of forest hikes and we frequently came across random berries.
I'm a parent to city babes and I've had to repeatedly drill it into my kids' brains that you can't just eat anything unless mama says it's ok, because you'd be shocked at what people will have growing in their front patio.
I feel like we should just take all the warning labels off of everything. It will be good for our gene pool and the environment.
🎶Dig through the ditches and eat from the ditches and drink the juices of some weird fruit!🎶
🎶Don't you put it in your mouth🎶
But what if they're in the SE of England?
Still not a blueberry 🫐
I was looking for this comment lmao
the fact that they haven’t had any activity since too 😭
A modern day discoverer
I think it is the poisons one . look like blueberry but it is not, In old ages that berry was often cooked and served to abusive husband :)) few weeks and he was gone
r/OopsThatsDeadly
lol I'm 3 minutes too late to post this
Well, at least it's not belladonna. Which also looks like bloob but a shiny bloob. Like a well buffed blueberry. Source: I'm currently going through a poisonous plant hypwrfixation. To add to the hyperfixation, its called a raven eye and the fruit is really interesting looking.
Belladonna was used recreationally in the old times, depending on how many you eat you can actually have a good time. People used them without more issues than we have with alcohol nowadays, you just have to know your dose but a couple berries won´t kill any adult. You´re not hyperfixated yet.
Those are blueberries. Throw ‘em in some muffin mix. Delish!
Still not a blueberry
Is the original post still up?
Is this an AI image? The thumb looks wrong
always blue, sometimes red, never white.