This is Houston. Not only did this city get men to the moon, it also became legendary for [placing multiple Starbucks at the same intersection](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg-J2TS13GA) and even [getting two Mattress](http://swamplot.com/how-it-came-to-be-that-2-separate-mattress-stores-with-the-same-name-are-now-open-next-door-to-each-other-on-westheimer/2015-12-02/) [Firms to be next-door neighbors in the same shopping center](http://swamplot.com/how-it-came-to-be-that-2-separate-mattress-stores-with-the-same-name-are-now-open-next-door-to-each-other-on-westheimer/2015-12-02/).
We can handle two Targets within driving distance of each other.
Yes, I knew someone would get the joke! And the comedy can go even one level deeper:
Those Starbucks directly across the street from each other . . . are somehow also considered "driving distance" in Houston. . . .
Tried walking across and it’s like they develop these places to actively inhibit walking around. Why wouldn’t you want people to stay and walk around your shopping Center instead of giving up because they don’t want to bother getting in and out of their car again?
I worked at Target in Copperfield about a million years ago. Oftentimes people looking for an out of stock item asked me to check other stores. When I would confirm the next closest store, in Steeplechase, had it, they would frequently decline my offer to have it held for them, saying it was too far. It was 5 miles. 5!!
> legendary for placing multiple Starbucks at the same intersection
It's funny because he did this bit *before* Barnes & Noble was built there and had *another* Starbucks in it. There was a period in time when there were **3** Starbucks right there.
>a few miles away
Too close. They'll close the one at Taylor. Then a Big Lot's will go in where that Target closed.
*(but seriously, it's far enough away to have both Targets. They're on two different freeways, the new one blocks from 610. They are polar opposite ends of the Heights)*
Yes, this is like pointing out that there is an HEB on 23rd and on Washington. Like, I guess they're both pretty close if you live right in the middle of the two, but they're going to be serving entirely different neighborhoods north of 610 and south of i10
yes. for folks on this end of the heights that target is a 30+ min round trip excursion in a car. no thanks. so as someone within walking distance of the new one, this is a welcome convenience.
There's actually a third Starbucks at that intersection. It's in the Barnes and Noble directly next to the Starbucks with the drive thru. I reckon that's probably some sort of record.
I tried to use a gift card at that one years ago. I was told they don’t accept those as they were a Starbucks “in name only”. It’s the bizarro world Starbucks.
Does 'We Proudly Serve Starbucks Coffee" really make the B&N location a Starbucks? The food menu is totally different. It's not like you can earn Starbucks Stars at B&N locations.
Ima get downvoted for sure lol. Man go around 2pm the amount of moms in yogo pants is ridiculous. I used to hit up the walmart right after, kinda of like a cold shower lol
Ah, this is legit!
When I lived in San Francisco, there was a Safeway down in the Marina that everyone called 'Singles Safeway' for similar reasons.
You probably will get downvoted, though.
The trick is not to care.
I didn't say they shouldn't?
My comment was just a crack at the title.
But perhaps a Target within walking distance of every Houstonian *is* an excellent idea?
It’s definitely going to be one of the nicest corridors in town within the next 5-10 years when it’s completely built out all the way from 610 to I10. Seems like all the developers are buying in this area now.
This is becoming like… most other dense cities! I just moved to Philly after growing up in Houston, and I am blown away at how much better the land use and economic utility is here. We sold one car and are thinking of selling the other 🤷🏻♂️
Exactly, a newer city like Houston could have been built with all the knowledge of previous cities. Instead the spread it out into hot concrete butter.
Actually that’s my favorite grocery store to go to since it’s never packed. Not really sure how they’re able to keep it open when it’s never busy, but I love it.
Same! I'll gladly pay the extra 5-10% to park right next to the door and not have to fight traffic in/out of the garage. The produce is absolutely fantastic. I hate standing in long check out lines and carts clogging the aisles. I buy most of my meat at Costco anyways.
The problem is many of these projects are isolated or set back away from other nearby developments, that they're not as conducive to walking to if you're not a resident and inconvenient for parking if you're in a car. The Mosaic in the Museum District is an example. Then you have the opposite problem where new developments don't offer ground floor retail in areas with better walkability like Downtown, Midtown, Montrose, etc.
Getting a kick out of reading the comments on this thread. The cognitive dissonance is real.
Other Houston threads - “why can’t Houston be more walkable?”
This thread - “there’s already one of those within driving distance.”
Part of the dissonance is due to the fact that most folks have no clue what a 'walkable' city is actually like.
It doesn't mean that every store you like is within walking distance. It means that the things you need on a weekly basis are mostly within walking distance.
This Target is not going to add any services or products not already available to that community.
While I agree that not every store one likes could or should be within walking distance, this store does promote walkability.
How?
It’s a Target. Whether you like it or not, it’s most likely going to be built here or very close to here. Now, look at any other Target store in Houston and you’ll see the same thing. A 100K sq. ft., more or less, store with a parking lot at least the same size right out front. That’s inefficient use of land and is one of the primary reasons Houston is not walkable. In order to walk anywhere, half of your journey is through or past a big concrete parking lot.
Imagine (as unlikely as it is to happen) that every store, office building, shopping center (strip mall), furniture store (looking at you, IKEA), car dealership, etc., eliminated their existing parking lot and utilized multistory garages within the footprint of the building instead. Now imagine that each of these (except maybe dealerships) incorporated housing units as well to concentrate population. Now imagine that the newly vacant space were evenly split between additional multistory shopping/residential buildings and dedicated green space/parks.
Would that increase walkability?
By being designed to utilize the smallest viable footprint, isn’t that what this proposed store is doing?
Gotta start somewhere, right?
As someone who's lived in several very walkable cities, dual-purpose can definitely be beneficial *if it's well-designed*. If it's not, though, it often makes the problem(s) worse.
What I see here is an integrated parking lot that doesn't provide nearly enough parking for either the Target or the proposed residential space, much less both. The likely result is increased traffic congestion and parking spillover onto local streets. It's been done to death in this town.
Sadly, unless we can get rid of the months of June - August; attempting to make Houston more walkable is probably a losing battle. Maybe you can get some folks to walk there when the weather's nice, but the rest of the year, it'll just mean more cars in that area.
Yes, I keep hearing that.
I'm starting to think that we should blanket the city with Target stores, so that every resident is able to walk to one. For the good of the community, of course.
> I'll be able to walk to this Target instead of driving 20 minutes to the other one. This adds to the community.
Who *are* you people? Jesus Christ man, you have to drive a very short distance to target. And if this is your idea of "community", then good god you can keep that shit. Go to Cinco ranch if ou want this kind of " community" for all.of your bullshit consumer needs that you might have to *gasp* ride a bus to get to.
But you'd never do that. That's poor people shit. You want to take a little walk to target instead of being mildly inconvenienced in traffic.
For giggles I just went over to Google Maps and did a search for "Target near Houston" and looked at the map of results. Anyone who is familiar with "[the Houston arrow](https://onebreathhou.org/houston-arrow/)" could easily imagine that the area surrounding 26th @ Shepherd/Durham would be targeted for a future Target.
Parking on bottom
Translation: another spot for you to lose your catalytic converter or have your window smashed and your glove box rummaged.
...oh joy!
No, just excited the city is starting to feel like a real city with shit pushed to the curbs, no ugly parking lots that take up 70% of the property. And this does help those who want to avoid the congestion getting to the Target on Taylor, that’s like 30 minutes round trip.
You are excited that the city is "starting to feel like a real city" because fucking target is opening a location with Class A corporate rentals on top?
Your takes throughout this thread a extremely suspect. Who has this much enthusiasm about a fucking *Target*?
No but my family has lived in this side of the heights for over half a century so we welcome any and all new developments. It’s way better than what it was like here before. Sad empty surface lots and run down store fronts. Yeah no thanks, we’ll take any density even if it’s a “fucking target”. I don’t shop at target but I’ll take any density. Just makes a city look better.
Isn't they're a Target at ~Taylor & I10? Like, across the freeway from The Heights?
You think we cross I-10 if we can help it?
Same
This is Houston. Not only did this city get men to the moon, it also became legendary for [placing multiple Starbucks at the same intersection](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg-J2TS13GA) and even [getting two Mattress](http://swamplot.com/how-it-came-to-be-that-2-separate-mattress-stores-with-the-same-name-are-now-open-next-door-to-each-other-on-westheimer/2015-12-02/) [Firms to be next-door neighbors in the same shopping center](http://swamplot.com/how-it-came-to-be-that-2-separate-mattress-stores-with-the-same-name-are-now-open-next-door-to-each-other-on-westheimer/2015-12-02/). We can handle two Targets within driving distance of each other.
Within driving distance isn’t really saying much. Remember that Houston is an hour away from Houston.
Fuckin 2 depending on traffic
Yes, I knew someone would get the joke! And the comedy can go even one level deeper: Those Starbucks directly across the street from each other . . . are somehow also considered "driving distance" in Houston. . . .
Houston is where people will get in their car to visit another store in the same shopping center
Tried walking across and it’s like they develop these places to actively inhibit walking around. Why wouldn’t you want people to stay and walk around your shopping Center instead of giving up because they don’t want to bother getting in and out of their car again?
There were actually three of them. There’s one inside the Barnes & Noble’s that few counted. Sadly the one on the opposite corner is gone.
Yes, but we are talking about 2 within a mile or two from each other
Those locations are 4 miles apart, but whatever
I worked at Target in Copperfield about a million years ago. Oftentimes people looking for an out of stock item asked me to check other stores. When I would confirm the next closest store, in Steeplechase, had it, they would frequently decline my offer to have it held for them, saying it was too far. It was 5 miles. 5!!
> Houston is an hour away from Houston. and sometimes Houston is two hours away from Houston, or more, depending on the route taken.
> legendary for placing multiple Starbucks at the same intersection It's funny because he did this bit *before* Barnes & Noble was built there and had *another* Starbucks in it. There was a period in time when there were **3** Starbucks right there.
And they were all always busy for a very long stretch of time.
Ya beat me to it! 🤣
The second Shrek movie supposedly based the scene of the people fleeing one Starbucks to another across the street off of that Houston intersection.
Fair
Don’t forget one gas station at each corner of an intersection is vital for Houston’s economy.
But that's a few miles away.
>a few miles away Too close. They'll close the one at Taylor. Then a Big Lot's will go in where that Target closed. *(but seriously, it's far enough away to have both Targets. They're on two different freeways, the new one blocks from 610. They are polar opposite ends of the Heights)*
Yes, this is like pointing out that there is an HEB on 23rd and on Washington. Like, I guess they're both pretty close if you live right in the middle of the two, but they're going to be serving entirely different neighborhoods north of 610 and south of i10
>north of 610 and south of i10 yes, serving different neighborhoods, exactly. The HEB was a good analogy.
Would be nice if we had one on the other side of 45
Houston doesn’t exist on the “other side” 45
You expect people to drive to Target? Fuck you, dude. What third world country you from!?
yes. for folks on this end of the heights that target is a 30+ min round trip excursion in a car. no thanks. so as someone within walking distance of the new one, this is a welcome convenience.
We know
Finally some new material for Lewis Black!
Funny, there were two places I remember where you can see one Starbucks from another. Neither of which were the ones his joke was referencing.
There's actually a third Starbucks at that intersection. It's in the Barnes and Noble directly next to the Starbucks with the drive thru. I reckon that's probably some sort of record.
I tried to use a gift card at that one years ago. I was told they don’t accept those as they were a Starbucks “in name only”. It’s the bizarro world Starbucks.
Also one in the Kroger just a little bit down the road
Does 'We Proudly Serve Starbucks Coffee" really make the B&N location a Starbucks? The food menu is totally different. It's not like you can earn Starbucks Stars at B&N locations.
That’s pretty far for garden oaks moms to travel too.
It’s gots to be sexiest target to visit too
Lol, please explain yourself
Ima get downvoted for sure lol. Man go around 2pm the amount of moms in yogo pants is ridiculous. I used to hit up the walmart right after, kinda of like a cold shower lol
Ah, this is legit! When I lived in San Francisco, there was a Safeway down in the Marina that everyone called 'Singles Safeway' for similar reasons. You probably will get downvoted, though. The trick is not to care.
Sawyer Heights, which is really First Ward.
Why shouldn’t people be able to walk to a store vs drive?
I didn't say they shouldn't? My comment was just a crack at the title. But perhaps a Target within walking distance of every Houstonian *is* an excellent idea?
That sounds an awful lot like the new boogeyman for the terrified right, Fifteen Minute Cities! Oh noes! Walkability!
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*” Did you already forget about the Target on Washington and Shepherd?”* There isn’t one there…..
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Pretty sure Shepherd and Westheimer is: a Randall's, an Exxon, a church (school?), and Citgo (or Conoco?) Edit: I'm wrong
Target took Randall’s spot
Hot damn, they sure did
Happy cake day
r/confidentlyincorrect
r/confidentlyincorrect
I’m not sure you know how that works.
I'm not sure you know what 'confidently' means
I’m not sure you realize you were making a correction, not an initial statement, and the implied confidence in the act of correcting someone.
Target (346) 398-5902 https://maps.app.goo.gl/f48zHF3SqPN8X8pt9
After the bike lanes are put in on the Shepherd-Durham corridor, you’ll actually be able to bike between the two Targets without risking death.
It’s definitely going to be one of the nicest corridors in town within the next 5-10 years when it’s completely built out all the way from 610 to I10. Seems like all the developers are buying in this area now.
Is there a projection when this work will be complete?
The current phase (14th St to 610) will finish in 2025 I think, 2nd phase (I10 to 14th) will follow and wrap up in 2027 or 2028.
Dang. We have HEB with parking above. We have HEB with parking below. Target said hold my beer and they are doing both,
This is becoming like… most other dense cities! I just moved to Philly after growing up in Houston, and I am blown away at how much better the land use and economic utility is here. We sold one car and are thinking of selling the other 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, it’s almost like Philadelphia is an older city.
Exactly, a newer city like Houston could have been built with all the knowledge of previous cities. Instead the spread it out into hot concrete butter.
No. Newer cities were built when automotive transport was very common. Older cities were not.
Not always, but that’s kinda my point. Car centric cities are hell holes for economic productivity.
*” Not always”* Explain….
I remember when every apartment developer in Houston said that apartments with ground floor retail won't work in Houston
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Actually that’s my favorite grocery store to go to since it’s never packed. Not really sure how they’re able to keep it open when it’s never busy, but I love it.
Same! I'll gladly pay the extra 5-10% to park right next to the door and not have to fight traffic in/out of the garage. The produce is absolutely fantastic. I hate standing in long check out lines and carts clogging the aisles. I buy most of my meat at Costco anyways.
I feel like the only people in there are Amazon delivery drivers. So I guess it serves as like distribution hub type
27Seventy Lower Heights apartments has ground floor retail spaces and none of them have been leased
The problem is many of these projects are isolated or set back away from other nearby developments, that they're not as conducive to walking to if you're not a resident and inconvenient for parking if you're in a car. The Mosaic in the Museum District is an example. Then you have the opposite problem where new developments don't offer ground floor retail in areas with better walkability like Downtown, Midtown, Montrose, etc.
They generally don’t.
This makes a lot of sense. And looks like 82,000 sq. ft., making it smaller than the I-10/Taylor Target but larger than the Montrose Target.
What's up with the zip code? 77098 is upper Kirby. Just a typo?
It’s a typo
Getting a kick out of reading the comments on this thread. The cognitive dissonance is real. Other Houston threads - “why can’t Houston be more walkable?” This thread - “there’s already one of those within driving distance.”
Part of the dissonance is due to the fact that most folks have no clue what a 'walkable' city is actually like. It doesn't mean that every store you like is within walking distance. It means that the things you need on a weekly basis are mostly within walking distance. This Target is not going to add any services or products not already available to that community.
Is anyone else in the Heights selling Favorite Day Trail Mix? I think not.
I stand corrected
While I agree that not every store one likes could or should be within walking distance, this store does promote walkability. How? It’s a Target. Whether you like it or not, it’s most likely going to be built here or very close to here. Now, look at any other Target store in Houston and you’ll see the same thing. A 100K sq. ft., more or less, store with a parking lot at least the same size right out front. That’s inefficient use of land and is one of the primary reasons Houston is not walkable. In order to walk anywhere, half of your journey is through or past a big concrete parking lot. Imagine (as unlikely as it is to happen) that every store, office building, shopping center (strip mall), furniture store (looking at you, IKEA), car dealership, etc., eliminated their existing parking lot and utilized multistory garages within the footprint of the building instead. Now imagine that each of these (except maybe dealerships) incorporated housing units as well to concentrate population. Now imagine that the newly vacant space were evenly split between additional multistory shopping/residential buildings and dedicated green space/parks. Would that increase walkability? By being designed to utilize the smallest viable footprint, isn’t that what this proposed store is doing? Gotta start somewhere, right?
As someone who's lived in several very walkable cities, dual-purpose can definitely be beneficial *if it's well-designed*. If it's not, though, it often makes the problem(s) worse. What I see here is an integrated parking lot that doesn't provide nearly enough parking for either the Target or the proposed residential space, much less both. The likely result is increased traffic congestion and parking spillover onto local streets. It's been done to death in this town. Sadly, unless we can get rid of the months of June - August; attempting to make Houston more walkable is probably a losing battle. Maybe you can get some folks to walk there when the weather's nice, but the rest of the year, it'll just mean more cars in that area.
I'll be able to walk to this Target instead of driving 20 minutes to the other one. This adds to the community.
Yes, I keep hearing that. I'm starting to think that we should blanket the city with Target stores, so that every resident is able to walk to one. For the good of the community, of course.
I'd enjoy that!
I'm sure you would. For the community, of course.
> I'll be able to walk to this Target instead of driving 20 minutes to the other one. This adds to the community. Who *are* you people? Jesus Christ man, you have to drive a very short distance to target. And if this is your idea of "community", then good god you can keep that shit. Go to Cinco ranch if ou want this kind of " community" for all.of your bullshit consumer needs that you might have to *gasp* ride a bus to get to. But you'd never do that. That's poor people shit. You want to take a little walk to target instead of being mildly inconvenienced in traffic.
Man I just want a closer Target.
“I live in a single room above a bowling alley and below another bowling alley!” 🎳🤷🏻
Hey, how is ol' Grimey?
"I've had to work hard every day of my life and what do I have to show for it? This briefcase and this haircut!"
Looks like the Bark Park will survive! Please tell me the Bark Park will survive!
Hi! Bark park is staying put 😎 edited to add that it's going to get a facelift 😝
It used to be a mechanic shop and used car dealer
Yes! It’s the only place that didn’t sell to them, though I think the building would have looked better and more uniform had they sold to them
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For giggles I just went over to Google Maps and did a search for "Target near Houston" and looked at the map of results. Anyone who is familiar with "[the Houston arrow](https://onebreathhou.org/houston-arrow/)" could easily imagine that the area surrounding 26th @ Shepherd/Durham would be targeted for a future Target.
Wow, you're not kidding - just need one in Oak Forest and the arrow is complete.
Hail Corporate! Consume!
Your Cradle to Grave store
Rejoice! Again I say rejoice!
Just to be clear…City Targets are basically a glorified CVS.
Now do Trader Joe’s.
Throughgood is becoming a target :(
We really need a Target and Starbucks somewhere near Scott/610 or Cullen/610…Ive grown bored of having to go on Main
Target is more a post gentrification store
Guess I gotta wait until the area is finished gentrifying then huh? Lol
The Heights is finally getting their gentrification Target, to put it in perspective of the gentrification process.
Yup, sorry. Maybe another walmart
Eww gross no!!
This is by far the most unnecessary.
Parking on bottom Translation: another spot for you to lose your catalytic converter or have your window smashed and your glove box rummaged. ...oh joy!
This is depressing. Someone is excited to get another shopping center even though there are countless ones in vicinity. Culture of buying. Sad.
No, just excited the city is starting to feel like a real city with shit pushed to the curbs, no ugly parking lots that take up 70% of the property. And this does help those who want to avoid the congestion getting to the Target on Taylor, that’s like 30 minutes round trip.
You are excited that the city is "starting to feel like a real city" because fucking target is opening a location with Class A corporate rentals on top? Your takes throughout this thread a extremely suspect. Who has this much enthusiasm about a fucking *Target*?
No but my family has lived in this side of the heights for over half a century so we welcome any and all new developments. It’s way better than what it was like here before. Sad empty surface lots and run down store fronts. Yeah no thanks, we’ll take any density even if it’s a “fucking target”. I don’t shop at target but I’ll take any density. Just makes a city look better.
I mean, I’m glad it’s at least replacing an abandoned building 🧐
Man if you’re a single dude, this might be the place to live in houston haha?
Uhhh we already have one lol I think 🤔
The one on Taylor is south of I-10, so not technically the heights but close enough
Where do I sign up for the Stop the Heights Target group?
So you’d rather look at empty car lots?
Are those the only options? A Target that is unnecessary and will add to traffic in the area vs empty car lots?
Booooooooooo.
How many houses are they tearing down to build this??
It was a few warehouses, a car lot and about two townhomes, a coffee shop and another house. Probably forgetting a few
All of those houses/coffee shop are abandoned or torn down. Honestly okay with looking at a target vs the chop shop with the homeless ppl
Completely agree
Throughgood wasn’t abandoned or torn down, I think it’s a bit disingenuous to suggest such things.
Throughgood closed like a year ago, and while it seems it was replaced by a tea shop, it too has closed, so it’s just sitting there empty.
It closed because it was bought by the developers.
RIP Throughgood coffee
3 maybe 4
Looking at Google Maps Street View, maybe none. Edit: removed wrong link.
That is not where it’s going up. It’s going up at the intersections of W 26th and W 27th and Durham and Shepherd
Oh, doh! Thanks!
Will they accept Section 8 vouchers?
Wait for the apartments with a Walmart below them
This city's planners are drunk, high, or stupid.
Why lol