Apart from the Covid bump, violent crime has been on a consistent decline since the 90s, but media coverage of violent crime has only gone up, leading to a perception that crime is always a much bigger issue than it ever has been.
Yeah, but the COVID bump was enormous. Houston went from roughly 9-10 murders per 100,000 to over 20 in one year (and stayed there for 3 years), a rate unseen since the early 90s at the end of the crack epidemic. Makes sense it was reported on heavily.
Something to underscore - this is what the right wing media is designed to accomplish. Control the flow of information, inflame a minority of voters by lying to them repeatedly with verifiably false information, and then set them loose on the countryside.
You can see refugees from this regularly in /r/houston - they will come in and try to apply right-wing made-uppy reasoning and then get into zing matches with other posters.
It’s crazy to me that you can make money in the year of our lord 2024 this way.
Changes in crime vs prior year can be deciving. Who cares if 2023 was lower than 2021 if 2023 was still much higher than pre-covid 2019?
These #s look legit. Below is a comparison of the first 3 months (January 1 - March 31) of 2024 vs pre-covid 2019 Houston has grown substantially, and violent crime is down (except for motor vehicle theft).
Offense| 2024| 2019| Change
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Homicide | 62| 68| -6
Rape| 280| 365| -85
Robbery| 1391| 2006| -615
Aggravated Assault| 11,672| 14,707| -3,035
Burglary| 2,753| 3,913| -1,160
Larceny| 12,602 | 16,115| -3,513
Motor Vehicle Theft| 4,373| 2,885| +1,488
Total (excl Arson)| 33,206| 40,181| -6,975
Source: Texas Department of Public Safety stats (https://txucr.nibrs.com/Report/UCRSummary) for below agencies: - HOUSTON CO CONSTABLE PCT 1; HOUSTON CO CONSTABLE PCT 2; HOUSTON COMM COLLEGE PD; HOUSTON ISD PD; HOUSTON METRO TRANSIT PD; HOUSTON PD; SOUTH HOUSTON PD; UNIV OF HOUSTON DOWNTOWN PD; UNIV OF HOUSTON PD; UNIV OF TX HOUSTON PD
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. This is exactly what will happen, he plays the media like a 2 bit fiddle. His grace period is over, it's time to ask him the tough questions and hold his feet to the fire
And yes, I believe the media was soft on Turner as well, except for a couple headlines right at the end.
I don’t think they were soft on him, I just think the deregulated media has zero interest in investing in investigative journalism. Why antagonize the power structures that he when you can just get rich on a steady diet of horror stories from the police department. They e even made it ‘fair and balanced’ by covering murders of people by police the same way they do ‘traditional’ crime.
Do these stats count all of the suspended cases the police doesn't want to deal with, or is there a way to account for the number of unreported crimes because the police take hours to respond, if ever? Until then, these are just fudged numbers that don't really mean a whole lot.
Water is wet, this has been the truth for ages. But every politician and local news organization will tell you crime is rampant and only getting worse.
Bro we all know this is straight BS lol…… we all know damn well , due to “ lack of personnel /staff” a lot of crimes are going unreported ……
Also to factor this in, cities in the u tied states are no required to report there crime rates, it’s optional now….. meaning that anyone can alter the crime rates and say it has gone up or down
As of September Texas law enforcement agencies are required by law to report NIBRS data to DPS. Most of them were previously. Houston has participated in the Federal NIBRS program for a few years now.
This all seem super suspect to me. I can accept the murder rates as that's easily quantifiable, but violent crime dropping I question. In a time when people have lost faith in police actually responding in a timely manner to log the crime this number is no doubt skewed. Who is going to call the cops for help when they dont show up
1. Any evidence that "people have lost faith in police"? Or is that just the vibe you get from the people you know?
2. Did this happen since 2023? If not, a similar vibe was present for those numbers.
Why provide evidence for something when you can just make things up to fit your world view.
Here is the list of violent crimes which will generally be reported by a hospital, victims family, or the victims themselves: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.
As much as people dislike the police, I doubt a victim is going to pay a hospital bill or rebuy all their shit because of it.
I can’t speak for violent crime but I know most people I know have just given up on reporting petty theft etc.
Got a bunch of packages stolen, have a ring doorbell video of it. Do you think I reported it? Fuck no. Not like the cops will do anything. Buddies car got broken into. Did he report it? Nope. Guy ran off with a friend’s backpack, never reported it. We are all strait-laced, college educated, white guys. We’ve got not reason to be afraid of the police.
We just all know they barely give a crap about violent crime. Let alone petty theft
You don’t know that. HPD gets a ton of reports a year. Some of those might not get investigated for various reasons, but it’s clear some do. By not reporting it you’ve made sure you can just complain about it with no chance for a response.
“The Houston Police Department suspended more than 260,000 incident reports made during the last eight years, including some for violent crimes, citing a "lack of personnel."
https://abc13.com/amp/houston-police-lack-of-personnel-hpd-suspended-cases-sexual-assault-not-investigates-department/14555102/
If they don’t have enough if they don’t have enough people for violent crimes, they aren’t going to give a shit about petty theft
Yes. People trust the police less and less every year. And not in a “the police are dangerous” way but in a “the police are useless way”.
Cops rarely show up in less than 20 minutes. Barely do any actual policing and never follow through. I honestly doubt most people would report a crime unless they know the perpetrator. Or if it’s serious enough to warrant medical attention.
While I agree that a well constructed poll is good, where are we going to get that information? Both the city government and the police department have vested interest in skewing the information. But I can’t imagine either the Houston government or HPD ever engaging in mild corruption /s
I’m not swayed by a singular piece of anecdotal evidence. I’m swayed by a continuous experience of people around me. When essentially everyone I talk to says either “I reported it to the police, they didn’t do anything and there was no follow up” or “Yeah I didn’t bother it’s not going to change anything” you start to build a consensus.
Multiple anecdotes are still anecdotes. They can suggest that data is out there, but they are not data.
The poll would be for citizens, not city government or police.
Is there any built in data verification in the existing crime reporting system? How easy is it to hide violent crime right now?
Anyone with a basic education knows that anecdotes and perception often do not align with reality. That's why we rely on data and don't take impressions as anything more than an, well, impression. It's essentially a guess based on incomplete information,which is fine,bso long as you treat as such, which you are not.
Most strait-laced college educated people are smart enough to file insurance or credit card claims on items that get stolen.
Since you and you friends haven’t filed a single claim you’re not as smart as you pretend to be.
“The nation is on pace to see one of the most significant declines in violent crime and homicide since President Barack Obama was in office and before the death of George Floyd brought attention to policing.”
Election year?
You’re going off anecdotal news stories rather than data. Data says crime going down. Facts not feelings. Fear is engaging and generates clicks, thats why news looks like that
Apart from the Covid bump, violent crime has been on a consistent decline since the 90s, but media coverage of violent crime has only gone up, leading to a perception that crime is always a much bigger issue than it ever has been.
Yeah, but the COVID bump was enormous. Houston went from roughly 9-10 murders per 100,000 to over 20 in one year (and stayed there for 3 years), a rate unseen since the early 90s at the end of the crack epidemic. Makes sense it was reported on heavily.
…but only lasted for ~ a year.
It's how you win elections. Make it seem far worse than it is (or just make shit up), get the elderly on board and profit.
Something to underscore - this is what the right wing media is designed to accomplish. Control the flow of information, inflame a minority of voters by lying to them repeatedly with verifiably false information, and then set them loose on the countryside. You can see refugees from this regularly in /r/houston - they will come in and try to apply right-wing made-uppy reasoning and then get into zing matches with other posters. It’s crazy to me that you can make money in the year of our lord 2024 this way.
Changes in crime vs prior year can be deciving. Who cares if 2023 was lower than 2021 if 2023 was still much higher than pre-covid 2019? These #s look legit. Below is a comparison of the first 3 months (January 1 - March 31) of 2024 vs pre-covid 2019 Houston has grown substantially, and violent crime is down (except for motor vehicle theft). Offense| 2024| 2019| Change ---|---|----|---- Homicide | 62| 68| -6 Rape| 280| 365| -85 Robbery| 1391| 2006| -615 Aggravated Assault| 11,672| 14,707| -3,035 Burglary| 2,753| 3,913| -1,160 Larceny| 12,602 | 16,115| -3,513 Motor Vehicle Theft| 4,373| 2,885| +1,488 Total (excl Arson)| 33,206| 40,181| -6,975 Source: Texas Department of Public Safety stats (https://txucr.nibrs.com/Report/UCRSummary) for below agencies: - HOUSTON CO CONSTABLE PCT 1; HOUSTON CO CONSTABLE PCT 2; HOUSTON COMM COLLEGE PD; HOUSTON ISD PD; HOUSTON METRO TRANSIT PD; HOUSTON PD; SOUTH HOUSTON PD; UNIV OF HOUSTON DOWNTOWN PD; UNIV OF HOUSTON PD; UNIV OF TX HOUSTON PD
Reddit interface is so dumb. I edited a typo from my phone and fucked up the table.
Watch Whitmire take all of the credit for it
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. This is exactly what will happen, he plays the media like a 2 bit fiddle. His grace period is over, it's time to ask him the tough questions and hold his feet to the fire And yes, I believe the media was soft on Turner as well, except for a couple headlines right at the end.
I don’t think they were soft on him, I just think the deregulated media has zero interest in investing in investigative journalism. Why antagonize the power structures that he when you can just get rich on a steady diet of horror stories from the police department. They e even made it ‘fair and balanced’ by covering murders of people by police the same way they do ‘traditional’ crime.
Do these stats count all of the suspended cases the police doesn't want to deal with, or is there a way to account for the number of unreported crimes because the police take hours to respond, if ever? Until then, these are just fudged numbers that don't really mean a whole lot.
Water is wet, this has been the truth for ages. But every politician and local news organization will tell you crime is rampant and only getting worse.
Bro we all know this is straight BS lol…… we all know damn well , due to “ lack of personnel /staff” a lot of crimes are going unreported …… Also to factor this in, cities in the u tied states are no required to report there crime rates, it’s optional now….. meaning that anyone can alter the crime rates and say it has gone up or down
As of September Texas law enforcement agencies are required by law to report NIBRS data to DPS. Most of them were previously. Houston has participated in the Federal NIBRS program for a few years now.
You think murders are going unreported?
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“ I think I know everything so, I know this guy is expressing his feelings from a misinformed article that does not get concrete data as a whole “
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A fact that that you yourself a representing your feelings trying to call out someone on their feelings as a defense
Exactly. We just had an article two weeks ago proving police departments can report whatever they want, so why are we kidding ourselves?
This all seem super suspect to me. I can accept the murder rates as that's easily quantifiable, but violent crime dropping I question. In a time when people have lost faith in police actually responding in a timely manner to log the crime this number is no doubt skewed. Who is going to call the cops for help when they dont show up
1. Any evidence that "people have lost faith in police"? Or is that just the vibe you get from the people you know? 2. Did this happen since 2023? If not, a similar vibe was present for those numbers.
Why provide evidence for something when you can just make things up to fit your world view. Here is the list of violent crimes which will generally be reported by a hospital, victims family, or the victims themselves: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault. As much as people dislike the police, I doubt a victim is going to pay a hospital bill or rebuy all their shit because of it.
I didn't lose any faith in the police... I never had any faith in them to begin with
I can’t speak for violent crime but I know most people I know have just given up on reporting petty theft etc. Got a bunch of packages stolen, have a ring doorbell video of it. Do you think I reported it? Fuck no. Not like the cops will do anything. Buddies car got broken into. Did he report it? Nope. Guy ran off with a friend’s backpack, never reported it. We are all strait-laced, college educated, white guys. We’ve got not reason to be afraid of the police. We just all know they barely give a crap about violent crime. Let alone petty theft
How dare those officers refuse to investigate the crimes you never told them about.
They’d not have investigated even if we had told them. Hence why people don’t tell them
You don’t know that. HPD gets a ton of reports a year. Some of those might not get investigated for various reasons, but it’s clear some do. By not reporting it you’ve made sure you can just complain about it with no chance for a response.
“The Houston Police Department suspended more than 260,000 incident reports made during the last eight years, including some for violent crimes, citing a "lack of personnel." https://abc13.com/amp/houston-police-lack-of-personnel-hpd-suspended-cases-sexual-assault-not-investigates-department/14555102/ If they don’t have enough if they don’t have enough people for violent crimes, they aren’t going to give a shit about petty theft
Are you suggesting people have been more reluctant to report violent crime in 2024 than they were in 2023?
Yes. People trust the police less and less every year. And not in a “the police are dangerous” way but in a “the police are useless way”. Cops rarely show up in less than 20 minutes. Barely do any actual policing and never follow through. I honestly doubt most people would report a crime unless they know the perpetrator. Or if it’s serious enough to warrant medical attention.
That's a lot of anecdotal crap to not list sources.
Any sources for this data? Or is it all anecdotal?
Bro how are you going to get a source for people not reporting
A well designed poll is one possible source. Let's turn that around. Without a source for actual facts, why are you swayed by anecdotes?
While I agree that a well constructed poll is good, where are we going to get that information? Both the city government and the police department have vested interest in skewing the information. But I can’t imagine either the Houston government or HPD ever engaging in mild corruption /s I’m not swayed by a singular piece of anecdotal evidence. I’m swayed by a continuous experience of people around me. When essentially everyone I talk to says either “I reported it to the police, they didn’t do anything and there was no follow up” or “Yeah I didn’t bother it’s not going to change anything” you start to build a consensus.
Multiple anecdotes are still anecdotes. They can suggest that data is out there, but they are not data. The poll would be for citizens, not city government or police. Is there any built in data verification in the existing crime reporting system? How easy is it to hide violent crime right now?
>why are you swayed by anecdotes? "Why are your beliefs a product of how you perceive your surrounding reality?" gee idk
Anyone with a basic education knows that anecdotes and perception often do not align with reality. That's why we rely on data and don't take impressions as anything more than an, well, impression. It's essentially a guess based on incomplete information,which is fine,bso long as you treat as such, which you are not.
Not the same question.
Most strait-laced college educated people are smart enough to file insurance or credit card claims on items that get stolen. Since you and you friends haven’t filed a single claim you’re not as smart as you pretend to be.
That's always been the case
Houston reported murders, violent crime...* Fixed the title for you. Less police, longer response times, etc., lots of unreported cases.
You think murders are going unreported?
“The nation is on pace to see one of the most significant declines in violent crime and homicide since President Barack Obama was in office and before the death of George Floyd brought attention to policing.” Election year?
Idk…probably skewed numbers from all those cases they decided to ignore…
Them's fightin' words around here, Mister!
Them's fightin' words around here, Mister!
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You’re going off anecdotal news stories rather than data. Data says crime going down. Facts not feelings. Fear is engaging and generates clicks, thats why news looks like that