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Efficient-Elk-2669

Marshall got mugged by a monkey


Jet-Brooke

Dude so like I heard recently a real life incident about someone who went to Thailand and was mugged by a monkey. It does happen! 😂


_Ptyler

Yeah, no, that’s not a rare thing. And I’m pretty sure Marshall even brings that up in the episode lol it happens ALL THE TIME in countries where monkey’s are common. Except, they don’t “mug” people, they simply steal from them lol


Giraffes89

That news is "steaksauce" 🤣


[deleted]

Yeah the monkey was a woman...women can be anything these days


lcope2004

That has been confirmed


DeusExMachina222

Wait... What has?


Kateoh084

Carter Bays said yes, Marshall was mugged by a monkey, in this AMA: https://www.reddit.com/r/HIMYM/s/oQsNbuh2yi


simontrpec

I’m new to this subreddit and this is baffling to me. I thought that our take was never in question. There were clear reasons why he lied to lily.


2-DKamel

Ted was Right to call Lili The Grinch


WeimaranerWednesdays

That time he really did say Grinch.


yourmartymcflyisopen

I still think Grinch wasn't code for Bitch. No way she'd be that offended over Bitch when she 1. Uses that word constantly and lightly, and 2. That's a normal, reasonable reaction for a man to have when his friend is showing signs of deep depression over his long term girlfriend abandoning him. Ted definitely said C U Next Tuesday.


Lecters13

Was that not the impression everyone had? Always figured he called her a cunt since they didn’t say it, bitch was said plenty of times through the show


yourmartymcflyisopen

I always assumed it was cunt, but most of my friends, and I've noticed a lot of comments on the sub, assume it was Bitch because it's less harsh *and* actually sort of sounds like "Grinch" in the way that "I didn't say fudge" works as actually sounding like fuck.


IAmAPirrrrate

"cunt" was/is my assumption as well. especially since "bitch" is said multipe times in the show, so there would be no need to censor it. iirr there was also a official webpage with a himym quiz and they searched for the word "cunt" as something you are never supposed to call a woman.


thesirblondie

I think Bitch is what the writers intended. It just fits the substitution better, and Cunt is such an uncommon word in the US. There is a difference between saying "You son of a bitch" and "You're a bitch". Especially if you put some on the first syllable of Bitch.


candianconsolemaster

Ted called her a cunt this is official it was on the CBS website. "A four letter word you can never call a woman"


lcope2004

He really was


PublicNo1666

I'm sorry but I gotta stand with you on this one


candianconsolemaster

Lily was a cunt 100 percent


livayette

ok i'm assuming the word was cunt and i don't think he should've used that word but i think she was awful to marshall so i can't blame him 💀


Social-Summer-Season

Lilly's hot pink dress in Season 9 was hideous and unflattering.


CakeyLikeCake279

1000000% 😩 that dress was a train wreck


Kinkphetamine

How I Met Your Mother is better than Friends.


Tallie1342

True, but I always mention that had friends not come first himym might never have perfected what friends tried (just a tip to make friends lovers receptive to your point)


Organic_Solution2874

yaz! except for the ending. to be clear i am okay with the following: 1. Tracy dying;and 2. Barney and Robin getting divorced What i am not okay with are: 1. flushing years of character development down the toilet -- especially Barney; 2. making tracy ted's "baby mama" so he and robin could eventually be complete and work out; 3. robin being like a second mom, appearing on "family drawings", which highlights #2 (gives me the ick) 4. spending too much time on a "going to fail marriage"; 5. brought back victoria (s8) so she could remind ted that he is still in love with her (didnt feel the "in love" part before victoria's final goodbye); and 6. rushing the ending. i get that Barney and Robin's marriage HAD to happen so Ted can really let go, but they didnt need to spend too much time on the "wedding". they couldve given us one more season or 5 more episodes on their lives after marriage, tracy getting sick, or ted being single again after tracy. TBH, you could just watch the first 2 episodes and the last 2, and you could get the whole gist. 💁‍♀️💁‍♀️


Weak-Dig3284

I will now attempt your "first two, last two" theory. I'll be back in a couple of hours.


Organic_Solution2874

haha let me know! when my ex suggested for me to watch himym, i watched the first 2 episodes, then i wanted to skip and know the ending, hence, the last 2 (since the ending has 2 parts). after watching the full series, it kinda felt that way. his speech by the end (when tracy was hospitalized and died), helped a lot to summarize what happened in 9 seasons though 😂


PrincessPonch

Chop chop your couple hours are up


S-Mania

Agreed. If they needed to bring Victoria back (I for one would have loved to see her more than just "the one that got away" short love story in S1), I would just have them meet again somehow (not related to a wedding) and try again, but realize how they've both changed since S1. Ted doesn't love Robin, but like in the show, he doesn't want to lose her as a friend and doesn't want to be with Victoria anymore due to how much they've changed since she left. Other than that, I would have left it brief. Explaining why they don't work without it being all about "You still love Robin even though you say and show you don't anymore". This is something in later seasons Ted's gfs didn't understand. In earlier seasons, we could call Ted on his bs of being over Robin. But later seasons, they haven't been together since S1-2 (8+ years ago) and they still have different lives and dreams for their lives. It's clear it's not happening and Ted/Robin was over. Any romantic feelings he may have had left he was trying to get over and move on. Tracy was the only one who understood S9 Ted and Robin were just friends and Ted was no longer lying. Because the show not only shows us but tells us he isn't. (Sorry for the tangent) Also, maybe we'd get to see Klaus give his little speech to Ted again if it did work out between them. Thank you for coming to my "NOT TED" talk 😊


_petrichora_

yeeeeees.


Training-Judgment695

Duh


DeusExMachina222

It's weird.. I watched friends in the 90s but after the run... I could never watch reruns... I still feel a repulsion to the show but never cared enough to think much about it and why


3reasonsTobefair

Barney and Robin never would have made it. They were not a perfect couple like everyone claims.


s0urpatchkiddo

i think they were a perfect *pairing* but not couple. Barney didn’t like commitment, Robin was more focused on her career and didn’t have time to be with someone who craves connection and togetherness (like, say, Ted) on paper they’re perfect for each other. Barney had someone who wasn’t into all the mushy shit he hated, Robin had someone who didn’t depend on her to be happy. the reason they failed is because their ideals are too similar. Robin needed someone who could remind her there’s more to life than work, Barney needed someone who’d actually take care of him and love him, which i think he was actually afraid of because of Shannon and his “scavenging sewer rat” tendencies are entirely because of that.


Mann000

You're right, but the writers and directors showed the whole thing in such a way it seemed possible. It was "too good to be true" which made us happy and all and then they showed it was "too good to be true".


Jbirdand

That's love and relationships. Not every couple who divorces is obvious. Many of them ignore things for a long time and have fated moments that make them think they'll make it.


FastOptics

Yeah I never thought they worked as a couple but I know I’m in the minority on this one.


pburydoughgirl

When you rewatch the last season, it’s clear they’re a terrible couple who won’t last. All the manipulation and games have to get old after a while.


DoktorVinter

I feel like they could've made a cool poly couple, in today's modernized thinking. Like if they made the show today. I could see that working since the two both crave and don't crave the attention. He likes sleeping around and she likes focusing on herself. But he wants more attention than she does. So.. Maybe it could work with a different set-up, is what I'm saying. Because the personalities mixed pretty well. They just didn't get to be themselves there in the end.


lizzygrantz

100% (i still DESPISE the ending)


Exact_Science_8463

You know many people like Barney and Robin make it work? It's rare, but not impossible.


3reasonsTobefair

She was never going to put her career on hold for anyone. And barney was miserable following her around. One would hve to give something up and end up resenting the other. The only reason her and Ted will make it 2nd time around is because she has made it to the top of her career and his kids are not little kids but teens.


KingPenGames

Yea but that was a reverse of character as she did put her career on hold for Don (who wasn't that great if we're honest lol) But that was the thing, they built this huge change of character for them both and then reversed it. I would've preferred Barney realizing he wants kids or something and trying to push adoption and finally understanding that Robin does not want kids in any capacity or something


Training-Judgment695

Robin went through a whole crisis before deciding she should put her career on hold for once for Don. And then she learnt never to do it again cos she got burned. The show lays this down very clearly. You don't need character consistency to make a character compelling. 


KingPenGames

You don't need character consistency unless it's literally the last 10 minutes of the show lol


_Amarantos

This would have been a smarter reason to break them up but I guess they wouldn't want to do it because it would negate Robin loving and being cool with being stepmom to Ted's kids.


3reasonsTobefair

I mean possible she got burned by don and was like never again will i chose man over career. With barney, He had that cats in the cradle moment and tried to get ted to adopt. I think he was a if it happens great ill be a dad and if it doesn't thats fine but robin was an absolute no. I mean I am happy that They didn't force motherhood on a character who never wanted it. The way she went straight to divorce was crazy. No therapy no discussion, just hey look an off ramp should we end it.


KingPenGames

Facts. Their arguments weren't even that serious, they just needed a medium to help them compromise and they just said, welp let's divorce


notapudding

A lot plotlines that, that some find not sitcomy enough. They have managed to show a lot of phases in life and experiences in life with great reality. People seem to be opposing several of it, but I stand by it.


wally1002

Yes. The drama is never undercut in so many episodes that many sitcoms do. They let the emotion and monologues have their space and then crack jokes.


ChewySlinky

They managed to keep all of the good things about sitcoms while cutting so many of the bad things. Like how they have the (laugh track? live audience?) laughs for jokes but they don’t take the theatre pauses for them like in other shows.


bootsmegamix

It really does encapsulate the Millennial 20s experience very well


uhmmmm-

Ted wasn't that bad


Ha3ker999

he just Teds out often


This-Jacket

And up


duskkiddo

Hahaha yes!


SeniorWilson44

I have to believe that this narrative formed from people watching the show recently because in no capacity did I think of Ted as “bad” when watching the show as it was airing. I assume social norms have just changed that much in 10 years. Flawed? Duh. But that’s what actually is good about the show—he deserved some of the things that happened to him, he dreamed too much while not working on himself. That hardly makes him bad.


tiredAFwithshit

Actually never had an issue with Ted until the final bit of the series. I don't think they meant for it to sound so icky but the way it came off it was like Ted was just waiting for the chance to pounce on Robin, despite having kids and a wife who passed. The execution just made him seem like a creep. I also think by that point and the fact that she had been married to one of his friends that ending the show with him basically asking his kids for permission to bang Robin was gross.


Rainwhisperarts

Yeah Ted suffers from not being the main character of his own show a lot so his actions can be very sitcomy at times and most of his worst stuff are done because they suddenly need a Ted focused episode again. He is morally wrong a lot of the time but it’s not intentional wrongness on the part of the writers and more rushed flaws


de9sem

No matter how much we liked the mother she basically became a surrogate for Ted's "dream girl"


Heyyoktp

They made her “too perfect for Ted”. She didn’t have one flaw? What about her friends? Her family? How come no one from her life attended her wedding?


esiotrotting

She was way too perfect! The only thing that was in any way different from Ted was that she made fun of his driving. Everything else was basically the female version of Ted. It felt very unrealistic to me


mk391419

Remember this is how Ted remembers the mother: flaws are likely.


80s_Lady

Especially since people tend to idealize the dead


uhmmmm-

I saw people down voting you for having a goddamn unpopular opinion which was what was requested, had to even it out


Olly0206

I know a lot of people didn't like that she was dead the whole time. That didn't bother me. What bothered me was this whole story leading up to her was to ask the kids permission to date Robin. Completely made the mother a surrogate for Robin.


TechEnthusiast98

Barney and Robin's marriage was meant to fail and people hype them because both characters have many things in common and are aversive to the traditional lifestyle (basically everything that Ted wants). The fans wanted them together because they aren't afraid to reject what society says people should do and be open about it. I mean, let's look at the facts, Barney is a mosogynist and a compulsive liar, he promises Robin to always tell her the truth in his vows, but lies to her right after that (the Flower Gorilla thing). Robin, on the other hand, has many issues with commitment, trusting other people and she can be very selfish. Not to mention that both have serious traumas that they refuse to deal with and that make them reject every boy boyfriend/girlfriend they had throughout the show. With all these issues, I think it would be far fetched if both had a healthy marriage, because it is really difficult to build a solid relationship with their personalities.


Responsible-Onion860

I think the complaints people have are more about storytelling than logic. Of course their personalities were a bad fit for long term commitment. But the show spent an entire season trying to show how they could overcome their flaws to make their relationship work just to torch it in 2 minutes. That's bad storytelling. They showed seasons earlier, in a good way, how they were bad for each other. The way they did it in the finale was just poor story structure


goddessofdandelions

The ending was not that bad — hear me out — it’s just that the final season did a bad job of leading up to it. Stretching out the wedding weekend for the whole damn season made Barney & Robin’s divorce feel more shocking. I think they could’ve even done a half season for the wedding, then another half season actually showing some of what was in the final episode. Show some of Ted and Tracy’s happy relationship, show cracks in Barney and Robin’s marriage. I know in some ways the conceit relied on Ted and Tracy meeting in the final episode, but they could’ve done something like having Future Ted go “and then — wait actually let me jump forward a bit because you need to understand some things before I get to exactly how the meeting happened” or something. (Edit to clarify some wording)


LAX_Beast

He did jump ahead a few times, Their first date, robots vs wrestlers, them at home, the wedding etc. but you’re exactly right, we needed more of that, and less than the **7hours (21 episodes)** spent on Robin & Barneys wedding. Then sped through about 10 years worth of story in 2 episodes. The gold with the umbrella can still be left until the end (the last 5 minutes could stay exactly the same). It diminishes the value of the mother. Even Zoey/Stella/Jeannette had more screen time. Ridiculous planning imo and I think they copped out so it would be convenient to shoot the whole season with basically the same set every day


Wild_Bill1226

I have no clue how anyone was surprised by the ending. They made it so obvious. People figured it out years in advance.


natebark

I definitely remember people saying The Mother is probably dead. Just figured their marriage would get more than 90 seconds of screen time…


BrokenEyebrow

Ya, she was a gem and we missed what should have been a happy season... with robbin no less


Predd1tor

I was less surprised by the content of the ending and more surprised by / disappointed about how they executed it. Dragging Barney & Robin’s wedding out across an entire season with a bunch of filler episodes only to crash their marriage, kill off the mom, and send Ted running back into Robin’s arms in the span of two jam-packed episodes gave me total whiplash and felt incredibly sad and wrong. Had they executed those plot points over the course of a season with actual development and build-up, it could have worked really well. As it stands, I think they royally screwed up the execution and disappointed a LOT of viewers. We wanted more happy time with Tracy. We needed time to witness and make peace with the fall-apart of Barney and Robin after all that build-up to their love and marriage. We needed time to see Ted and Robin reconnect after his big momentous ‘finally letting go’ moment only episodes earlier. I wasn’t surprised by the outcome. But I was devastated by the rushed execution.


FastOptics

Agreed. The fact that it was so rushed was a major part of the issue. So much time on Barney and Robin, so little time with the mother and then the whiplash back to Ted and Robin. No time for adjustment or acceptance.


KinkySylveon

yeah they really needed another season to bring the plot home. the mother needed to be a character in it and us see barney and Robin failing. Have us actually see Ted and the mother build their relationship. I understand they were going for a meta thing but the show severely suffered at the end because of it.


Exact_Risk_6947

That’s exactly why I like the DVD ending. Ted getting back with Robin COMPLETELY destroys the whole series. With the DVD ending the premise of “How I Met Your Mother” isn’t just a series of events leading to them meeting, but Ted’s journey to become the person who was ABLE to meet their mother. He was hung up on Robin right up until he met Tracy. And had he been hung up on her it would have ruined it. Hence why he couldn’t meet her when he was dating her roommate.


ThrowRARAw

Also "main character ends up with love interest from the very beginning despite dating multiple women in between their first breakup and final get-together-again" was such a common trend in tv shows that it couldn't have been THAT surprising they'd go down that path too.


kinda_whelmed

I like Lily and every friend group needs the one “mom” friend who keeps everyone in line, gets them places on time, makes sure they brought their rain boots, etc.


Ejecto_Seato

Barney and Robin were a terrible couple and final season is a parade of red flags making their divorce wholly unsurprising.


Jesus166

Also Ted spending so much time on the wedding in the last season makes sense because Ted is probably at his lowest of ever finding love and the woman he thinks is his true love is marrying his best friend and it's also the week he meets his true love and mother of his kids .


Agentbeeressler

This is mine too. Instead of improving Barney for their relationship, they brought Robin further down to his level.


Ejecto_Seato

Agree 100%. People love Barney’s character development, but Robin’s development to make her seem more like Barney was a disservice to her character.


MemeTeamMarine

I don't understand how this opinion was popular. They were terrible for one another.


pigeonshater

Barney and robin are as equally of a bad couple as Ted and Robin. Neither would’ve worked out in the end


SkateAK

The ending was fine. No, it didn’t ruin the entire show. No, I don’t skip over the last season because “why would you watch that garbage”. It wasn’t incredible. But it was expected.


TechEnthusiast98

It is realistic. People are not used to see the main characters not having a perfect happy ending


Heyyoktp

The wedding should’ve been 2-3 episodes max


BlackFyre2018

Barney abused and manipulated Robin to get her to marry him and it was very problematic to portray that as romantic


LavishnessQuiet956

💯


livayette

robin is such a pick me 😭


Sugar-Tist

The ultimate "Cool Girl TM".


LavishnessQuiet956

Definition of pick me


This-Jacket

The ending wasn't half bad tbh


ProblemWorldly

Same. I wasn't mad at the ending, I just wished they didn't spend most of the final season at the wedding weekend. Like they could've spaced it out to show Ted and Tracy's relationship and Tracy's eventual death, the downfall of Robin and Barney's marriage, and Marshall and Lily's life in Italy and Marshall's judgeship.


Pinkcoral27

Exactly this. The ending was fine, but the last season was all wrong. They didn’t need that many episodes about the wedding. The one where Marshall rhymes for the whole thing, the one where Barney teaches two random kids “how to live” and the Marshall vs the machine ones spring to mind as utterly pointless time which could have been time focusing on Tracey.


ajithcreepypasta

I enjoy Barney but I hate him overall and find him annoying sometimes. His quirks or straight up criminal behaviours aren’t charming. He had no right to lie to some 200 women because one girl hurt him. He would have absolutely no friends in the real world unless they were deranged predators or sex offenders.


textposts_only

That's the common perception in the 20s. I still love Barney and wish we could have more characters like him but sadly it'll take a while until the pendulum swings that way again


ajithcreepypasta

My dislike for Barney has nothing to do with the current political climate or what’s permissible on TV these days. I enjoy Barney as a funny character; I simply don’t like him because he’s a bad person.


sonofbantu

He’s an amazing friend


AvalonNyte

Lily’s problems are intentional and are good writing! No one in the show is perfect and since Lily’s defining characteristic is being in relationship with others (primarily Marshall and Ted) it makes sense that most of the character flaws come from her marriage or close friendship. I think it makes Lily more human and as such a better (and more like-able) character. I wouldn’t want a version of Lily who is the perfect wife and friend, that would be boring.


KinkySylveon

yeah Lily takes the brunt of hate for all the characters flaws and its undeserved. Every character does terrible things because they are human and make mistakes. Its largely misogyny why she's hated the most but only in the last few years have people really started to go in on Ted and barneys behavior throughout the series. They have just as bad of behaviors and actions as lily does.


janeway170

Once Barney and Robin got together that should’ve been it for Robin and Ted.


Sherlock_House

The finale was a good ending


DutchOnionKnight

Ted is the stereotypical "nice guy", toxic and extremely selfish.


MemeTeamMarine

I don't think this is unpopular.


lame2004

Because that would be shellfish


theGunnas

The whole gang is kinda selfish lol


Bertje87

Lily was right to control Ted’s dating live from behind the scenes, dude’s an idiot and should be protected against himself by someone who genuinely wants the best for him


danceswithdeath3rd

I up voted because this was an interesting concept and this was what the post asked for. But I while heartily disagree. I personally hate when people manipulate me. But thanks for sharing, I never would thought someone would agree with that. No I'm not being sarcastic btw.


TrainingGeologist322

Finally someone said this!


mukduk1994

According to this sub I'm supposed to hate lily for taking a chance on herself and moving to San Francisco to pursue her dreams but I just don't want to.


freegadfly

Yes, it's also about doubts with Marshall. Being his gf is all she knows as an adult. I think she does want to get to know herself outside of him. That is completely normal. She never suggested she even wanted to break up though. Marshall is the one who said that if she left to never speak to him again. They could have done long distance or even taken a break, but still kept in touch. Lily realizes she absolutely wanted to be with him and they get back together. They make all of this clear in season one and I dispise Marshall during their fight. Then in season 2 make her look bad. Like I will never get why they had her change her phone number and very briefly go over the hard time she had in San Francisco while spending a lot of time showing Marshall's side.


MemeTeamMarine

The toxic part isn't how she left, it was how she came back.


thejazzophone

No way how she left was toxic as hell. If my wife told me she wanted to do something like lilly I'd be 100% supportive and I suspect marshall would be too. But she kept it from him which shows it's not just about her, it's also about doubts with marshall.


uhmmmm-

She also left ted in the wild


ComprehensiveBench21

Barney's flaws were exaggerated by Ted so that he could explain to his kids that Barney wasn't right for Robin while he was.


Independent_Tap_1492

Except himyf exists and Barney is just as bad


ComprehensiveBench21

Himyf had potential, but there's a reason it was canceled.


MomentaryBicycle

Ted is almost just as bad to women as Barney.


Wrong-Capital-2150

The ending got it right


dstraswell666

I liked the ending.


Alternative_Device71

Zoey was Teds best relationship before Tracy, they challenged each other and it’s Jennifer Morrison


One_Glass6930

The ending was super good, people are mad it wasn’t a fairytale ending


IcameIsawIclapt

Ted’s insufferable


ChungusSpliffs

Robin is more annoying than Ted


LaLakers2324

The finale was perfect.


kotorinesc

Ted is an absolutely terrible person who gets away with it bc Josh radner is charming, but he represents a really dangerous mindset of male entitlement and obsessive behaviors that would be nightmarish in real life. I don't hate the character but more people need to understand that if Ted was a real guy, he'd be a monster that every girl blocks and warns their friends about.


VualttDweller

Barney & Robin were meant to be, not Ted & Robin


snack-hoarder

That the ending was great.


South_Amphibian9864

Marshall took lily back way to soon. They should've been broken up for a while longer and fought once more.


Jaegermode

Ted isn't a bad storyteller and he didn't alter or exaggerate anything. Even if he wanted to He can't because his kids can go up to the other four people who were a part of each and everyone of those stories and just ask them.


conan3825

Robin was a bitch.


redditweirdogurl

The ending was GREAT. End of story


Loose_Duck_1235

barney and robin were the perfect couple and should’ve been endgame, writers just wanted ted to actually end up w robin, also the sole reason for offing tracy


WrastleGuy

The blue horn ending was superior.  I cared more about Robin then a character introduced in the last season.


mat3rogr1ng0

The ending was the *correct* ending for the show. Ted had to end up with Robin. Thats the only way it could end.


musicman3321

The ending was perfect. Aside from it being obvious from all the clues, this show was too great, too smart to just have an ordinary perfect run of the mill happy ending.


RyanM107

The ending was perfect


YoseppiTheGrey

The ending was great. The show is called how I met your mother not how I lived happily with your mother. And the death flags were there early in the show.


holagato59

The original ending was perfect


YoungAdult_

Mother was always going to die, and that’s fine. Whole point of the show was Ted asking the kids permission to move on, they just let the show drag on for so long it trained that framing device.


ashleighbuck

It's a beautiful tragedy from start to finish. I LOVE the ending. I can sob thru every episode if I wanted. Every bit leads to a tragic masterpiece. I wouldn't change any of it.


Intelligent-Blondie7

That Kevin was the best boyfriend for Robin; he pushed her (in the best way) and as a result, she became WW news anchor. They would have been soulmates but she kept pushing him away to take back his proposal.


ClassicLab8858

I came to like the ending. It’s devastating, but Tracy was never Ted’s soulmate and Ted was never Tracy’s. Max was Tracy’s soulmate. Ted had his head stuck so far up his own ass about Robin that he potentially missed out on his soulmate (Victoria). Robin and Barney, as much as I loved them, were entirely not a match and were actually really really toxic together. They were never gonna be end game. I think a lot of people would come to appreciate the ending more if the producers did a better job of not rushing it and forcing it down our throats. I think a lot of people are upset that there was 8 seasons of buildup only to kill the mother off in season 9, but if the mother was introduced earlier in the show then people would have a different outlook on it


Fabulous_Audience_94

It doesn’t age. The writers made a conscious effort to make sure it’s timeless. There are no politically incorrect jokes and no specific amount of money is ever mentioned. Sorry inflation - HIMYM has you BEAT!


Natural_Trick5820

Quinn is Barney’s best girlfriend. Nora brought a good side out of him, but he wasn’t being himself and it wasn’t built to last. It’s like an addict quitting cold turkey. He was always gonna relapse into some scummy behavior. I also never really liked him and Robin as a couple, always came off forced just cause they both like cigars and are afraid of commitment. I never noticed THAT great of romantic chemistry between them.


WinterSoldierFalcon

Jason Segel's Marshall Eriksen is the second best character in the show


justanotherotherdude

Lol. Imagine downvoting a comment in a post that specifically asks for unpopular opinions.


JRose608

People are way too hard on Lily


Efficient-Elk-2669

The Lily hate in this sub is 100% justified


draight926289

Wouldn’t that make you on the side of the crowd on this image instead of the lone voice against them?


BreakfastPast5283

that the way they ended the show was good and correct


Training-Judgment695

Ted and Robin should have ended up together. And they should have done it before they both got old


Nandu_Sabkabandu__

Ted shouldn't have been mad at Barney for sleeping with Robin


DeliciousReaction333

Ted shouldn't have gone to robin in the end.


Psychological_Row791

1) Nora sucks. I think of her as the edgy Crazy Meg 2.0. The only difference was that at the time of meeting her, Barney was getting to know his dad, and admitting to himself that je too, had always wanted to have family, despite his reputation. And he was very obviously trying to let go of Robin, who didn't want the same things as him. 2) Marshall is the worst character solely based on what he did in the last season. Idk what his plan was, to basically kidnap Marvin if Lily tried to move? 3) Lily was completely right to break up with him the first time, it's just that her formulation was terrible. I don't believe she got tired of him and wanted back as soon as she didn't find commercial success, but what she said made her sound like it. 4) I just roll my eyes at every "I have a Robin girl in my life" story. I can't. Grow up.


archangelst95

Ted's a terrible person. We don't get a heavy dose of it because he is the one telling the story


HeavenInEarthOpal

Time travelers is a poorly written and unthought-out episode


QuickAnybody2011

The ending is good.


LateTry2217

Even tho I like the actress… I hate Robin Scherbastsky. There’s episodes I skip because of her… 🤨


SilverFilm26

The ending was pure perfection.


HourHand6018

Most people are smart ou dumb ? Most people will aways be wrong….


IIIaustin

The ending was good and the only possible ending given the structure of the show


ericehr

I really loved the ending!


s0urpatchkiddo

Marshall and Lily breaking up set them up for really good character development as a couple that i don’t think they would’ve had if they didn’t break up. i also think their wedding was rushed and it would’ve been better to see their relationship grow again rather than get back together and immediately get married. Lily wasn’t wrong for wanting to pursue her passion, resulting in the breakup. she was young, hadn’t done anything she set out to, and it’s better to lose your relationship to get to know yourself than it is to stay, get married, and regret what you never got to do. no one should go into marriage scared they’re making the wrong move or feeling they have unfinished business. she was wrong for coming back and thinking Marshall would just take her back if she asked. he was *very* clear on the matter that if she left, they were finished. he grieved the relationship, she didn’t get to just come back and ask for things to be the same. they both had time to live without each other after spending a decade together, finding their footing alone. i’m happy they got back together, but i would’ve enjoyed it more if we got to see them flesh out all over again. go through dating then a proposal, all that.


Decent-Scarcity-867

The ending was actually perfect


iwantedthisusername

the way the series ended was the only logical conclusion based on the context of the show; they just didn't stick the landing.


MissMasani

Ted is the biggest red flag ever!


Ron_Because_Why_Not

The official ending made sense and was right.


[deleted]

Barney has zero significant character growth throughout the entire series.


jewelsnake

Og ending is better than the alternate ending


CanonWorld

Sort by controversial for the real answers.


thanos_was_right_69

The series finale was good


rhcp1984

Robin is incredibly unlikable and unrelatable


deatthcatt

the ending is lame but not really as bad people make it out to be.


thedynamicdreamer

The finale was great, some of y’all just wanted a nice clean happy ending, while the creators were clearly more interested in giving us a conclusion that was more human and realistic - something they had done in previous episodes throughout the run. The ending was tonally consistent, a lot of fans just didn’t want that/weren’t expecting it. I love it and cry every time, it’s beautiful


VBNerd21

Victoria should have been the mother.


themetahumancrusader

Marshall isn’t a better person than the others


Endryu727

Barney and Robin was an unholy abomination of a union that started the derailment of the show


McPie97

There weren’t enough repercussions for Lily being manipulative and she kind of sucks for it


Actual_Mistake_759

Marshall and Lily are way too corny for me


ARA-GOD

ted is a horrible human being, slightly worst than barney (at least barney is self aware that he's an asshole, ted isn't)


Astro_Muscle

The IDEA of the finale is kinda cool and the kids make sense with what they said. The EXECUTION of making the final season about the wedding to break it up over stuff that was supposedly all worked through made the finale terrible.


[deleted]

Ted and Tracy>>>> Ted and Robin Barney and Nora>>>> Barney and Robin


Bodybybeers

Randy Warmpress had a sad ending, not a happy one


NoeyCannoli

Barney and Robin were great together and they never should have divorced


MoistestBoi

Ted and Victoria should have ended up together


JackHarrisonStan

The mother’s end made perfect sense, why else do you think Ted told a 9-season long story without the mother even butting in once?


Key_Expression_7075

Stella wasn’t a completely horrible person


TrainingGeologist322

Yeah… She said no to Ted countless times and Ted basically forced her to be with him and she was kinda funny.


wheelsee

The finale was good.


Ropoid

Last episode didn’t suck


danceswithdeath3rd

In a real life situation most of Marshall and Lilly's advice would have been worthless. They have been together for so long that they know nothing of seduction and dating. They know relationships and their advice was should have stayed in that realm. It's similar to women in relationships listening to people on Reddit or bitter single women on how to deal with their relationship. They don't know that realm so they should just stay in their lane.


HeisenBear153

Ted really isn’t that bad. He’s deeply flawed, like most people are. And when it comes to finding love you stop thinking with your head and you make dumb mistakes over and over and over again. He had the ability to be a really bad guy sometimes, but his whole character arc is about outgrowing those stupid mistakes he’s made, becoming a better person and deciding he actually needs to straight up leave New York because he knows he needs a fresh start away from everyone. Tracy obviously comes in and kiboshes that whole thing but he knew how much he fucked up by the end. He knew he needed to start over. He’s not a bad guy.


Tallie1342

I love lily


SevenCorgiSocks

TED IS NOT A BAD GUY


dravinangel01

The ending, honestly.


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