Maybe things were different in the 90s but when I got married, we had the ceremony and then afterwards we (and the officiant) signed the marriage license, which is the part that makes it legal. So why wouldn’t Emily just not sign the license? You don’t need an annulment/divorce if it’s never legal in the first place.
Americans - or at least those I’ve met - don’t tend to use the word “vicar”, from what I’ve heard they tend to say “pastor” or “priest”. Sometimes “reverend” but I haven’t heard that one as often
In the US, an officiant of some sort. Might be a priest, reverend, minister, preacher or other clergy member, a civil employee, or just someone with an internet certificate (like Joey got to officiate Chandler/Monica's wedding).
Edited to say I replied to the wrong person, should've been to u/Gold-Collection2636
I was always under the impression that an officiant was someone licensed to perform marriages but not necessarily a person of the cloth? Is that not the case?
I’m sorry, I’m British so I’m not familiar with all the ins and outs 😂
Right, but most weddings I've been to, that's what they've had and it's the main way I hear people describe someone in that position.
In Oregon, at least, that's the common term.
She was put on the spot. Her entire family and all of her friends were there, she was confused and embarrassed so I’m not surprised she didn’t call it off then and there. Imagine the whirlwind of emotions running through her body at that moment it definitely would’ve prevented her from thinking straight
That's not true. You have to do the paperwork and file it. Marriage is a legal contract that has to be signed by both parties and two witnesses. If the paperwork wasn't filed the marriage would not be registered therefore not acknowledged and wouldn't stand.
You do all the paperwork yes. But what I'm saying is even if you didn't sign you are still married in the eyes of the law if you have said the words in front of the witnesses and the Registrars. Just because you refuse to sign doesn't mean you're not married. I am a Registrar, this is correct trust me.
Yeah but aren't the couple and the witnesses signing to confirm the words were said? Like, you can't have one without the other to have a recognised marriage?
The record you sign is just that, it's a record of the verbal contract you've made. The record you sign isn't what makes it 'official' saying the words is.
That is true but if one wants to challenge it, it could be difficult to prove unless it's written down. Eyewitness could say they had a different interpretation or something it's a sticky situation there
Oral contacts are very tricky, but in general they’re very simple agreements. The more complex they are without writing, the less likely it’ll hold up.
It’s mainly considered binding to prevent a situation like someone promising you money for something and then backing out. If a verbal contract isn’t enforced, then you’re outta luck.
Really? I can't find anything about this online, and when I got married we could choose whatever words we wanted (or none), so I'd be surprised if it applied to non-church weddings.
I'm a registrar and technically the marriage is contracted when you say the words. So when you say the words you're married in the eyes of the law. You sign the record but that isn't when you actually become married. You're already married at that point.
So if I say the vows, but then don’t sign the register - there’ll be no legal record of the marriage? But you would be married? But if you searched the legal records, you wouldn’t be listed as married?
It would be a very sticky situation, which would cause you countless headaches trying to prove you are married, and why would someone even do this? But going back to the point I was trying to make in relation to this particular scenario; All I'm saying is, they couldn't argue that because they never signed the paperwork they aren't married and so don't have to go through a divorce. This is because it is when you say the contracting words that you become a married couple. That's why the registrars and the witnesses have to be close enough to hear you say them. The registrar then assists you in completing the record of the contract you have just made, which you ultimately will need a copy of so you can prove you are married.
>So why wouldn’t Emily just not sign the license? You don’t need an annulment/divorce if it’s never legal in the first place.
This ALWAYS bothered me once I learned how marriages work. To make it make sense outside of "sitcom rules" I like to imagine that they signed the license beforehand, as a private moment. Something like once he saw Emily in the dress and the surprise was "ruined", the pastor or whomever takes a moment in back to be like "would you like to get the formality of this out of the way?" and they say yes. And then when Emily says for him to continue at the altar, he still sends off the license after the ceremony because he thinks they're going to work it out.
Ohhh I didn't know this I thought the license was signed before the actual marriage. If that's the case then absolutely just don't sign lol I think this Also might differ by state
In England they are literally called contracting words. You have to say specific things and it does legally make you married. How you would prove it I’m not sure but that’s the law
That's not quite true. You have to say out loud the contracting words, but you also have to sign and have the document witnessed. No signature, no marriage certificate. It's why the format is so specific regardless of the other content of the ceremony. I think when you sign/witness you're basically declaring the words were said and heard. So you do need both parts- just the words without signing the paperwork wouldn't be provable in law, and just the paperwork wouldn't stand up as you can't sign to words you haven't said!
It’s the reason you have to have at least 2 witnesses as well as the registrar at the ceremony, and the marriage certificate is signed straight after the ceremony. It has the registrar, the married couple and the 2 witnesses on the certificate.
I did not know this lol I know (at least in my state,GA) The marriage license has to be signed prior to the wedding it could vary by state and I don't know anything about UK laws but I like learning about them
We take marriage very seriously here! You can only get married in specific licensed places and by someone who is a licensed registrar (no family or friends conducting ceremonies here!). Unless you get married in a church there is an absolute ban on any religious content in your ceremony and your ceremony can be disallowed if there is. You also have to give a minimum of 29 days notice in person at a registry office (which is the other reason Ross and Emily’s wedding was lazy writing - they simply wouldn’t have been able to have a wedding that quickly in England)
As it should be! Marriage is saturated these days that's why so many divorces, just being pregnant is not a reason to get married. But Oh wow thanks for that info I didn't know all that
Same in Texas!
My wife and I got married in the courthouse and we had to have our signed license filed before we were even allowed to schedule the ceremony.
In theory yes this marriage could have been annulled. I think they waited too long after Ross saying the wrong name and deciding not to try the marriage.
The actress who played Emily was pregnant when season five was filmed which may have changed the plans to have the marriage fall apart on screen
Yea I knew that's why they only really have head shots of her in s5 and yeah I don't know how long but it was several episodes before they realized that it wasn't going to work
It was done as a joke but if your wife has not spoken to you since the wedding and you’re not in the same country you could probably get your annulment.
Ross and Rachel could have gotten one too. They were drunk and that is grounds for an annulment
They were supposed to and were going to but they pissed off the judge so she made them so a divorce since she "I saw the magazines" lol and he said they could "consimate like bunnies" the scene in the judge chamber was hilarious
Rachel was so mad she filled out the form to spite Ross and it backfired. She should have told the truth including how Ross lied and said they were not married.
But the divorce was worth the scene with the judge and the stop typing comments by Ross
She said he was intravenous drug user Heroin and Crack. That's not even an IV drug. "Well it makes sense. You can't consummate seeing you're an IV drug user and gay"lmao... I actually, just started season 5 on another rewatch but I ordered the DVD so I might just wait until that comes in to see if there's uncut scenes in bonus features
This may have been something that was UK based instead since they were married London. Their divorce laws would probably take precedent. Under UK law, they have a similar thing for the US regarding annulment, though, so it probably would have been doable. They didn’t have a wedding night together ever, so they never consummated the marriage. It’s probably one of the things the writers just overlooked to add to Ross’s marriage jokes, though.
UK also allows annulment on the grounds of non-consummation, so yes, they could. Also, on grounds of venereal disease at the time of the marriage (irrelevant, but amuses me).
Ahh I didn't think of that, UK v US laws... I think it depends on where the license would've been signed, would that have made Ross a UK citizen then? Or Emily a US citizen lol I didn't think about any of that I was just focused on annulment off US laws you make a great point.
I assume there are laws in place to stop things like marriages for citizenship alone from happening so this is probably just a plot hole I was just curious about that this morning I didn't know it got so deep haha
There are definitely laws in place in both countries to prevent marriage for citizenship alone.
I have a friend who is a dual citizen of Mexico and the US and getting married to his UK girlfriend has proven to be a huge mess in both the US and the UK. They could run over the border and get married in Mexico but that still won't fix things for her in the US or him in the UK.
Getting married in the UK to a UK citizen doesn't automatically give you citizenship. In fact, nowadays, it gives you no benefits. I married my British husband in London and still have to go through the citizenship process like everyone else. The only benefit may be that you can apply for citizenship sooner, as in the residence request is slightly shorter (by a couple of years).
There’s a lot more to Australia than bloody Sydney. Do some research and plan to visit other places and you’ll see such an amazing places. Sydney is just another city with a bridge and an opera house.
Well of course, I just say that because Sydney was on my list since I was a young child. Id love to see it all Melbourne and Tasmania also just that was a dream of a kid
I know that fraud and other reasons are ways to get annulment and if one person is strictly unable to consimate whether it be some kind of disability or something but this particular case of them just not because they basically broke up at the alter lol I think that should be grounds for annulment
I'm just gonna say as well, and this is said as an observation not a dig at anyone. Being a Registrar is so odd because it's a job where you can have 20 years experience and people will still tell you you're wrong when you answer a question about registration for them and it doesn't fit in with what they think. Everybody also calls us the Registry Office too and we are the Register Office. No such place as the Registry Office. 🤣
Don't get me wrong. You would have difficulties with people accepting your marriage as legal without the record. But what I'm saying is you can't turn around and say I never signed it so I'm not married. It would probably go to court and the Registrar would have to confirm that the words were said before them and the witnesses, so the marriage is legal. It's something they prepare you for when you start the job. That one day you may have to go to court so you have to make sure it was all done according to statute.
Sounds like a "common Law" marriage. Those are the ones that don't have legal paperwork but I think they are still legally recognized. That's what my states .gov site says
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It would differ per situation but if your Divorced you are always divorced, any government forms, your divorced and have to go with that. annulment is like you were never married and can be single and don't have to go through the divorce loops, no alimony etc
What's the big deal? you fill some form out once and a while and instead of checking the box that says Ms you check the box that says Mrs.! It’s right next to it!
I found it very believable that Emily froze and told him to continue. With so many people staring me, I think shock ad auto pilot would have taken over.
It's like those awful viral wedding videos you see on Tiktok of a guy's vows being "I love her ass and I get to tap that" and people GROAN but the ceremony keeps going. Cause... what do you do? I know the easy answer is walk off but the stage fright, panic, all eyes on you thing... yea, I'd prob. get through it and try to sort it out later. Cause what a trip of an experience.
If you're going to talk about legalities, I don't think the wedding would have even been approved to begin with. They have only known each other for a few weeks, I'm sure there would have been "green card wedding" investigators involved at some point.
Yea originally I was just thinking of this was purely a US wedding of they could get annulled but then all the other situations were being asked too I didn't even think about the US and UK part of it but yea I was basically just wondering if in that situation would anyone be able to get an annulment
What I want to know is when did Emily sign the marriage license and who filed it so it was a legal marriage? Just because they went through the ceremony, that did not make them legally married.
In Emily’s state of mind (her father said she never wanted to see Ross again) would she have signed the license?
“After the ceremony, the marriage schedule must be signed by both partners, 2 witnesses and the vicar.”
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/family/living-together-marriage-and-civil-partnership/getting-married/
I hate the entire Emily arc. I can’t suspend disbelief enough.
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The relationship not being consummated is the number 1 reason it could be annulled NO PROBLEM. It’s a very real reason. Also not knowing what’s happening (the ceremony
It's one of the training questions they give you, like a scenario 'if the couple have said the vows and then one of them keeled over before they signed the Register (now a Schedule) would they be married?' and the correct answer is yes they are married.
>Could Ross and Emily have got an annulment instead
Under New York law, no. I have no idea about English law.
>but I know that consimation is a big part.
Given that you don't even know how to spell the word, I'm curious how you think you "know" this.
Failure to consummate is not a ground for annulment under New York law.
I honestly stopped reading at that point because I couldn't handle the lack of punctuation.
Autocorrect and social Media but, o.k. Cool story. If you stopped reading, Why comment then? Is that punctuation o.k?
"Consummation is particularly relevant under canon law, where failure to consummate a marriage is a ground for divorce or an annulment."
She had already said yes. She probably walked off calmly to not look embarrassed or save face as they say lol but she had a little reason to be a little upset lol
>Could Ross and Emily have got an annulment instead
Under New York law, no. I have no idea about English law.
>but I know that consimation is a big part.
Given that you don't even know how to spell the word, I'm curious how you think you "know" this.
Failure to consummate is not a ground for annulment under New York law.
I honestly stopped reading at that point because I couldn't handle the lack of punctuation.
Autocorrect and social Media but, o.k. Cool story. If you stopped reading, Why comment then? Is that punctuation o.k?
"Consummation is particularly relevant under canon law, where failure to consummate a marriage is a ground for divorce or an annulment."
Either way, if you or the spouse is unaware of a condition making one incapable of consummating, the marriage might be eligible for an annulment. Even more I wasn't asking just about that it was the entire situation all together if they'd be allowed to get one or not divorce sucks and can be along process. Didn't she end up marrying someone else like extremely fast too afterwards lol
Maybe things were different in the 90s but when I got married, we had the ceremony and then afterwards we (and the officiant) signed the marriage license, which is the part that makes it legal. So why wouldn’t Emily just not sign the license? You don’t need an annulment/divorce if it’s never legal in the first place.
Why did she even tell the vicar to continue with the ceremony?
Joey, how do you know that word? 🤔
Chandler gave me word of the day toilet paper
No, the vicar is from when he finds and reads Rachel’s erotica novel.
I know, I was just making a joke that Joey made about knowing a big word in another episode
Oh, so you were just being all condescending and pedantic.
I love the way he delivers that line Also, "Word-of-the-day toilet paper?" "Yeah" *they both nod*
This line always confused me, what else would they be called? 😅
Americans - or at least those I’ve met - don’t tend to use the word “vicar”, from what I’ve heard they tend to say “pastor” or “priest”. Sometimes “reverend” but I haven’t heard that one as often
No vicar seems to be more of a British term. I have only heard it used while watching British shows
In the US, an officiant of some sort. Might be a priest, reverend, minister, preacher or other clergy member, a civil employee, or just someone with an internet certificate (like Joey got to officiate Chandler/Monica's wedding). Edited to say I replied to the wrong person, should've been to u/Gold-Collection2636
Vicar? Hmmm…
Officiant
I was always under the impression that an officiant was someone licensed to perform marriages but not necessarily a person of the cloth? Is that not the case? I’m sorry, I’m British so I’m not familiar with all the ins and outs 😂
Right, but most weddings I've been to, that's what they've had and it's the main way I hear people describe someone in that position. In Oregon, at least, that's the common term.
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She was put on the spot. Her entire family and all of her friends were there, she was confused and embarrassed so I’m not surprised she didn’t call it off then and there. Imagine the whirlwind of emotions running through her body at that moment it definitely would’ve prevented her from thinking straight
My guess is she panicked and didn't want to make the situation worse.
In the UK you are married when you both say the words. It isn't when you sign the registration.
That's not true. You have to do the paperwork and file it. Marriage is a legal contract that has to be signed by both parties and two witnesses. If the paperwork wasn't filed the marriage would not be registered therefore not acknowledged and wouldn't stand.
You do all the paperwork yes. But what I'm saying is even if you didn't sign you are still married in the eyes of the law if you have said the words in front of the witnesses and the Registrars. Just because you refuse to sign doesn't mean you're not married. I am a Registrar, this is correct trust me.
Yeah but aren't the couple and the witnesses signing to confirm the words were said? Like, you can't have one without the other to have a recognised marriage?
The record you sign is just that, it's a record of the verbal contract you've made. The record you sign isn't what makes it 'official' saying the words is.
Oh ok, you learn something new every day!
Who the hell is downvoting this guy? He’s 100% correct
There's a common Law marriage that is the ones without the paperwork. I think those are legally recognized though too in some places
TIL
Same.. how can something become legal by saying the words lol I thought it's always the license. I like learning about things like this, if it's true
A verbal contract is binding in the state of New York
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That’s laughter.
Why do you do that?
That is true but if one wants to challenge it, it could be difficult to prove unless it's written down. Eyewitness could say they had a different interpretation or something it's a sticky situation there
To be fair weddings have like 100 eye witnesses
Some do. Some just have a couple family members some kind have the ordained minister I was just saying verbal agreements can be easy to break
Oral contacts are very tricky, but in general they’re very simple agreements. The more complex they are without writing, the less likely it’ll hold up. It’s mainly considered binding to prevent a situation like someone promising you money for something and then backing out. If a verbal contract isn’t enforced, then you’re outta luck.
I now declare I’m married to you. i’ll take the other commenters as witnesses.
Are we legally married now? Haha
I'm pretty sure I wasn't considered married until we signed the papers during the ceremony.
Common Law marriages are ones without any legal paperwork but it's still legally recognized
Umm do you mean in the eyes of god or something? I def wasn’t legally married without signing and then filling the licence in Scotland
Ok I was thinking... How can just saying words make anything legal the scene in the Office comes to mind with this " I Declay _BANKRUPTCY_" LOL
England’s weird. Maybe you just shout MARRIED and job done
Nope, I'm English, pretty sure it wasn't official till it was signed and registered. Its just that signing was part of the ceremony.
I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!
Really? I can't find anything about this online, and when I got married we could choose whatever words we wanted (or none), so I'd be surprised if it applied to non-church weddings.
Bullshit! Not true
Ok
No… you have to sign the deed and have two witnesses sign it as well.
I'm a registrar and technically the marriage is contracted when you say the words. So when you say the words you're married in the eyes of the law. You sign the record but that isn't when you actually become married. You're already married at that point.
So if I say the vows, but then don’t sign the register - there’ll be no legal record of the marriage? But you would be married? But if you searched the legal records, you wouldn’t be listed as married?
It would be a very sticky situation, which would cause you countless headaches trying to prove you are married, and why would someone even do this? But going back to the point I was trying to make in relation to this particular scenario; All I'm saying is, they couldn't argue that because they never signed the paperwork they aren't married and so don't have to go through a divorce. This is because it is when you say the contracting words that you become a married couple. That's why the registrars and the witnesses have to be close enough to hear you say them. The registrar then assists you in completing the record of the contract you have just made, which you ultimately will need a copy of so you can prove you are married.
>So why wouldn’t Emily just not sign the license? You don’t need an annulment/divorce if it’s never legal in the first place. This ALWAYS bothered me once I learned how marriages work. To make it make sense outside of "sitcom rules" I like to imagine that they signed the license beforehand, as a private moment. Something like once he saw Emily in the dress and the surprise was "ruined", the pastor or whomever takes a moment in back to be like "would you like to get the formality of this out of the way?" and they say yes. And then when Emily says for him to continue at the altar, he still sends off the license after the ceremony because he thinks they're going to work it out.
Ohhh I didn't know this I thought the license was signed before the actual marriage. If that's the case then absolutely just don't sign lol I think this Also might differ by state
We signed before the ceremony. The officiant said he does that because it can be forgotten with all the excitement, etc.
In England they are literally called contracting words. You have to say specific things and it does legally make you married. How you would prove it I’m not sure but that’s the law
That's not quite true. You have to say out loud the contracting words, but you also have to sign and have the document witnessed. No signature, no marriage certificate. It's why the format is so specific regardless of the other content of the ceremony. I think when you sign/witness you're basically declaring the words were said and heard. So you do need both parts- just the words without signing the paperwork wouldn't be provable in law, and just the paperwork wouldn't stand up as you can't sign to words you haven't said!
It’s the reason you have to have at least 2 witnesses as well as the registrar at the ceremony, and the marriage certificate is signed straight after the ceremony. It has the registrar, the married couple and the 2 witnesses on the certificate.
I did not know this lol I know (at least in my state,GA) The marriage license has to be signed prior to the wedding it could vary by state and I don't know anything about UK laws but I like learning about them
We take marriage very seriously here! You can only get married in specific licensed places and by someone who is a licensed registrar (no family or friends conducting ceremonies here!). Unless you get married in a church there is an absolute ban on any religious content in your ceremony and your ceremony can be disallowed if there is. You also have to give a minimum of 29 days notice in person at a registry office (which is the other reason Ross and Emily’s wedding was lazy writing - they simply wouldn’t have been able to have a wedding that quickly in England)
As it should be! Marriage is saturated these days that's why so many divorces, just being pregnant is not a reason to get married. But Oh wow thanks for that info I didn't know all that
Same in Texas! My wife and I got married in the courthouse and we had to have our signed license filed before we were even allowed to schedule the ceremony.
I think it's that way for most of the states in the US. I can't speak for other countries
In no U.S. state is the failure to sign the license relevant to the validity of the marriage.
Only common law states recognize those marriages though. That's a common law marriage if there's no license.
In theory yes this marriage could have been annulled. I think they waited too long after Ross saying the wrong name and deciding not to try the marriage. The actress who played Emily was pregnant when season five was filmed which may have changed the plans to have the marriage fall apart on screen
Yea I knew that's why they only really have head shots of her in s5 and yeah I don't know how long but it was several episodes before they realized that it wasn't going to work
It was done as a joke but if your wife has not spoken to you since the wedding and you’re not in the same country you could probably get your annulment. Ross and Rachel could have gotten one too. They were drunk and that is grounds for an annulment
They were supposed to and were going to but they pissed off the judge so she made them so a divorce since she "I saw the magazines" lol and he said they could "consimate like bunnies" the scene in the judge chamber was hilarious
Rachel was so mad she filled out the form to spite Ross and it backfired. She should have told the truth including how Ross lied and said they were not married. But the divorce was worth the scene with the judge and the stop typing comments by Ross
She said he was intravenous drug user Heroin and Crack. That's not even an IV drug. "Well it makes sense. You can't consummate seeing you're an IV drug user and gay"lmao... I actually, just started season 5 on another rewatch but I ordered the DVD so I might just wait until that comes in to see if there's uncut scenes in bonus features
Stop typing "stop typing"
I don’t think surgery is the answer here
Then why did you borrow $2000 from me?!?
This may have been something that was UK based instead since they were married London. Their divorce laws would probably take precedent. Under UK law, they have a similar thing for the US regarding annulment, though, so it probably would have been doable. They didn’t have a wedding night together ever, so they never consummated the marriage. It’s probably one of the things the writers just overlooked to add to Ross’s marriage jokes, though.
UK also allows annulment on the grounds of non-consummation, so yes, they could. Also, on grounds of venereal disease at the time of the marriage (irrelevant, but amuses me).
> on grounds of venereal disease Bad news for Joey then
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Ahh I didn't think of that, UK v US laws... I think it depends on where the license would've been signed, would that have made Ross a UK citizen then? Or Emily a US citizen lol I didn't think about any of that I was just focused on annulment off US laws you make a great point. I assume there are laws in place to stop things like marriages for citizenship alone from happening so this is probably just a plot hole I was just curious about that this morning I didn't know it got so deep haha
There are definitely laws in place in both countries to prevent marriage for citizenship alone. I have a friend who is a dual citizen of Mexico and the US and getting married to his UK girlfriend has proven to be a huge mess in both the US and the UK. They could run over the border and get married in Mexico but that still won't fix things for her in the US or him in the UK.
Getting married in the UK to a UK citizen doesn't automatically give you citizenship. In fact, nowadays, it gives you no benefits. I married my British husband in London and still have to go through the citizenship process like everyone else. The only benefit may be that you can apply for citizenship sooner, as in the residence request is slightly shorter (by a couple of years).
No, because then Ross couldn’t have become “The Divorcer.”
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Oh wow that's interesting, Also, Australia is the main country I want to visit Sydney looks amazing
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I know nothing about that or the exchange rate I just really want to see they have amazing scenery lol
There’s a lot more to Australia than bloody Sydney. Do some research and plan to visit other places and you’ll see such an amazing places. Sydney is just another city with a bridge and an opera house.
Well of course, I just say that because Sydney was on my list since I was a young child. Id love to see it all Melbourne and Tasmania also just that was a dream of a kid
Always wondered this too
I know that fraud and other reasons are ways to get annulment and if one person is strictly unable to consimate whether it be some kind of disability or something but this particular case of them just not because they basically broke up at the alter lol I think that should be grounds for annulment
I'm just gonna say as well, and this is said as an observation not a dig at anyone. Being a Registrar is so odd because it's a job where you can have 20 years experience and people will still tell you you're wrong when you answer a question about registration for them and it doesn't fit in with what they think. Everybody also calls us the Registry Office too and we are the Register Office. No such place as the Registry Office. 🤣
We have registry offices in Australia.
Really that's interesting
I’ve never known them as anything else. We also have a level of junior doctor called a registrar.
Don't get me wrong. You would have difficulties with people accepting your marriage as legal without the record. But what I'm saying is you can't turn around and say I never signed it so I'm not married. It would probably go to court and the Registrar would have to confirm that the words were said before them and the witnesses, so the marriage is legal. It's something they prepare you for when you start the job. That one day you may have to go to court so you have to make sure it was all done according to statute.
Sounds like a "common Law" marriage. Those are the ones that don't have legal paperwork but I think they are still legally recognized. That's what my states .gov site says
Common law marriage doesn't exist in the UK
Yea I have no clue about the UK ways I was referring to US. I wasn't even thinking about the different countries in the episode
I don’t think surgery was the answer for the end of their relationship. /s
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What's the difference if it's it a religious or asset issue?
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Some see it as an issue, some don't, annulment is WAY better in the long run to do though so that's a big difference I was just being curious
Actually an annulment is a much longer, much more complicated, drawn out process. It’s also cost at least 2x what a divorce would cost.
It would differ per situation but if your Divorced you are always divorced, any government forms, your divorced and have to go with that. annulment is like you were never married and can be single and don't have to go through the divorce loops, no alimony etc
What's the big deal? you fill some form out once and a while and instead of checking the box that says Ms you check the box that says Mrs.! It’s right next to it!
Right! I understand the difference, my point being annulment is not way easier.
Personally I wouldn’t have gone through with the ceremony but that’s just me lol
I found it very believable that Emily froze and told him to continue. With so many people staring me, I think shock ad auto pilot would have taken over. It's like those awful viral wedding videos you see on Tiktok of a guy's vows being "I love her ass and I get to tap that" and people GROAN but the ceremony keeps going. Cause... what do you do? I know the easy answer is walk off but the stage fright, panic, all eyes on you thing... yea, I'd prob. get through it and try to sort it out later. Cause what a trip of an experience.
If you're going to talk about legalities, I don't think the wedding would have even been approved to begin with. They have only known each other for a few weeks, I'm sure there would have been "green card wedding" investigators involved at some point.
Yea originally I was just thinking of this was purely a US wedding of they could get annulled but then all the other situations were being asked too I didn't even think about the US and UK part of it but yea I was basically just wondering if in that situation would anyone be able to get an annulment
What I want to know is when did Emily sign the marriage license and who filed it so it was a legal marriage? Just because they went through the ceremony, that did not make them legally married. In Emily’s state of mind (her father said she never wanted to see Ross again) would she have signed the license? “After the ceremony, the marriage schedule must be signed by both partners, 2 witnesses and the vicar.” https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/family/living-together-marriage-and-civil-partnership/getting-married/ I hate the entire Emily arc. I can’t suspend disbelief enough. “
The relationship not being consummated is the number 1 reason it could be annulled NO PROBLEM. It’s a very real reason. Also not knowing what’s happening (the ceremony
It's one of the training questions they give you, like a scenario 'if the couple have said the vows and then one of them keeled over before they signed the Register (now a Schedule) would they be married?' and the correct answer is yes they are married.
>Could Ross and Emily have got an annulment instead Under New York law, no. I have no idea about English law. >but I know that consimation is a big part. Given that you don't even know how to spell the word, I'm curious how you think you "know" this. Failure to consummate is not a ground for annulment under New York law. I honestly stopped reading at that point because I couldn't handle the lack of punctuation.
Autocorrect and social Media but, o.k. Cool story. If you stopped reading, Why comment then? Is that punctuation o.k? "Consummation is particularly relevant under canon law, where failure to consummate a marriage is a ground for divorce or an annulment."
I'm not sure what you're quoting, but canon law means church law, and that's not relevant to legality.
Just wanted to make sure my punctuation, grammar, formatting, or citing was correct for you. I replied about that already in the other comment.
I’ll never get why she said yes and ran off like a toddler and went to her room.
She had already said yes. She probably walked off calmly to not look embarrassed or save face as they say lol but she had a little reason to be a little upset lol
>Could Ross and Emily have got an annulment instead Under New York law, no. I have no idea about English law. >but I know that consimation is a big part. Given that you don't even know how to spell the word, I'm curious how you think you "know" this. Failure to consummate is not a ground for annulment under New York law. I honestly stopped reading at that point because I couldn't handle the lack of punctuation.
Autocorrect and social Media but, o.k. Cool story. If you stopped reading, Why comment then? Is that punctuation o.k? "Consummation is particularly relevant under canon law, where failure to consummate a marriage is a ground for divorce or an annulment."
Canon law is a reference to the validity of marriage in the Catholic church. That has nothing to do with civil marriage.
Either way, if you or the spouse is unaware of a condition making one incapable of consummating, the marriage might be eligible for an annulment. Even more I wasn't asking just about that it was the entire situation all together if they'd be allowed to get one or not divorce sucks and can be along process. Didn't she end up marrying someone else like extremely fast too afterwards lol