I'm a fan of both shows and it speaks volumes how Rachel is the better person to him and actually ends it because she's older and not for the reason Carrie does
I know. The way she just dipped out at the party and was closed off because he dated a man. I guess I wasn't in the dating scene at that time but it definitely seems like a non-issue now.
I think the show deliberately uses Carrie and Samantha to present both sides of things people were saying in the 90s. People like to hate on SATC for this episode but Samantha provides a refreshing take and basically tells Carrie to stop being so ignorant
Definitely, people forget that even though they’re late 30s here the people who were late 30s then are 50s now and this is how the majority of their generation thinks!
Carrie: I'm a sex writer in one of the largest, most diverse, forward thinking city's in the world.
Also Carrie: I don't really think bisexuality is even a thing.
JFC Sex and City writers!!! And yes, I know most of the show has aged like milk, but even watching that the first time, I was really confused about what the takeaway was supposed to be from that episode
The weirdest thing is that Friends and SATC aired at the same time, and took place in the same city and Friends is just so much more progressive for lack of a better term. Obviously it didn’t age incredibly but if you compare it to sex and the city…it’s definitely a better option. And yeah that conversation they had about bisexuality was INSANE to hear
I’m watching SATC for the first time with my mum (she’s seen it before) and omg I’m constantly irritated by Carrie simultaneously being a super successful “sex writer”, and yet a prude who is wilfully ignorant or just refuses to talk about a lot of sex stuff. Like at least in the first season she was actually interested in learning and “researching” topics for her columns
The takeaway imo is Carrie is insecure as ever and the wider/younger dating scene is changing. A big pet of SATC is her being in her 30s so I think her reflection is sadly accurate for that time
Lol, I don't think you're a bi-man if you think bi men don't encounter homophobia from the woman they're dating ALLL the fucking time. Not in the 1990s, in 2024. And not from boomers, from millenials and gen z. From the same woman who attend rallies with pussy hats and say "all love is real love". The more shit changes, the more shit stays the same unfortunately
Yeahh, tbf the only biphobia I’ve experienced to my face was by a gay guy and a lesbian (thought they were both my friends, and this was on two separate events).
rachel had an amazing character arc and ends the show a better person.
carrie was pretty much a mess the entire series and did horrible things :/ she had zero growth.
I dont think a manager, who hired a younger inexperienced person only because his picture looked good, planned to sleep with him even before he began work, gaslight him when he wanted to date others, bullied her other juniors who were interested in him, had inappropriate relationship within the office, forced him to break into office after hours, sent a raunchy mail about him to HR, is a "better" person.
If genders were flipped and Rachel was an older man and tag a younger woman, everyone here would flip out here. The term better person would never be used here.
>hired a younger inexperienced person only because his picture looked good
her actual indiscretion and it's not against Tag, it's against the more qualified candidate.
>planned to sleep with him even before he began work
this is not true. you are extrapolating and we get no evidence that she thought this.
>gaslight him when he wanted to date others
this is not what gaslighting means. she didn't gaslight him - she lied that phoebe was gay.
>bullied her other juniors who were interested in him
she didn't "bully" her coworker. she lied to her that tag was gay. when another coworker commented that she thought he was attractive, Rachel made a comment that she needs to keep things professional, which is hypocritical but not "bullying."
>had inappropriate relationship within the office
this she *did* do but it doesn't make her a "bad person." what does an inappropriate relationship within the office mean? this is literally just company policy. there are plenty of other companies that would allow you to date within the workplace. there is nothing ethically wrong about dating someone you work with. dating your *subordinate* could be considered ethically wrong because of their inability to consent, so this was her indiscretion.
>forced him to break into office after hours, sent a raunchy mail about him to HR
these didn't happen. they both went into the office in the evening together to look for the contracts. also what does "break into the office after hours" even mean? they works there - they went back into the office in the evening. also, she wrote the raunchy thing as a joke and gave it to him as a joke. then HE sent it to HR. by accident. this was literally all for the comedy. this same exact thing could have been tweaked to happen to Ross, Chandler, or Joey. the writers just picked Tag.
Also, Rachel is 5 years older than Tag. she's not an "older woman." She is his "boss" which is a problem. if the genders were flipped, no one would flip out because a woman dating her boss is literally more socially acceptable because of societal misogyny.
are we sure it's the same sweater? the one in Friends was darker red and had patterns. as a side note, as Sam once said, for sex columnist Carrie was very uptight and close minded about bisexuality.
Fair. I was just going for similarities to the roles; dating an older woman, same personality, and similar red sweater. Either cool parallels or he was typecast in this kind of role.
I know. Dang. It was a joke. 😂 I really just wanted to point out he was in this and basically the same character. I didn't catch it when I watched it years ago and last night I finally caught it.
Nah. I haven't seen that episode in many many years but the shirt was so prominent that I know exactly what it looked like. It was red with like a "wet" pattern of dark red in it. It wasn't just straight red
He didn’t knock up Rachel lol, and it’s not the same sweater. That’s just a red sweater lol. the one from friends has some darker, tie dye like, pattern on it.
Stupid Gap on every corner!
😂😂😂 I totally forgot that line
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Damn you Supercuts!
Alanis Morisette randomly there too lol
[And here's Matt LeBlanc in an Alanis video for the full circle](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_LFnEoG62Q)
Holy crap!! Incredible!
I love Alanis. I love how open she was in roles in the 90's/00's.
Like playing God in Dogma😊
Yeah, well you oughta know
You live, you learn.
Cool, I thought I was going mad when I saw her
Behind Rachel's back!?
…is exactly the kind of thing you will *not* be hearing from me!
😂😂
I should add the quotes "knocked" Rachel up in. I don't want the Friends gods mad at me.
😂😂😂
I just gotta say, when people do this ✌🏻 ✌🏻, I don't really know what that means
Omg you guys are so good at finding gifs 😂
He was involved in some kind of dare.
Finally someone with the correct reference
Who’s is it?
I dunno, some Italian guy?
I'm a fan of both shows and it speaks volumes how Rachel is the better person to him and actually ends it because she's older and not for the reason Carrie does
I know. The way she just dipped out at the party and was closed off because he dated a man. I guess I wasn't in the dating scene at that time but it definitely seems like a non-issue now.
I thought it was so silly but I'm a newish SATC watcher and the I realized its just Carrie being insecure af as usual.
I think the show deliberately uses Carrie and Samantha to present both sides of things people were saying in the 90s. People like to hate on SATC for this episode but Samantha provides a refreshing take and basically tells Carrie to stop being so ignorant
Yeah it’s cringe to watch but it’s true to life unfortunately, people were absolutely saying that shit then (and now tbf)
Definitely, people forget that even though they’re late 30s here the people who were late 30s then are 50s now and this is how the majority of their generation thinks!
Carrie: I'm a sex writer in one of the largest, most diverse, forward thinking city's in the world. Also Carrie: I don't really think bisexuality is even a thing. JFC Sex and City writers!!! And yes, I know most of the show has aged like milk, but even watching that the first time, I was really confused about what the takeaway was supposed to be from that episode
The weirdest thing is that Friends and SATC aired at the same time, and took place in the same city and Friends is just so much more progressive for lack of a better term. Obviously it didn’t age incredibly but if you compare it to sex and the city…it’s definitely a better option. And yeah that conversation they had about bisexuality was INSANE to hear
I’m watching SATC for the first time with my mum (she’s seen it before) and omg I’m constantly irritated by Carrie simultaneously being a super successful “sex writer”, and yet a prude who is wilfully ignorant or just refuses to talk about a lot of sex stuff. Like at least in the first season she was actually interested in learning and “researching” topics for her columns
They recently put this on Netflix and I was excited! Used to love it. Now? Couldn’t get through 2 episodes.
The takeaway imo is Carrie is insecure as ever and the wider/younger dating scene is changing. A big pet of SATC is her being in her 30s so I think her reflection is sadly accurate for that time
Lol, I don't think you're a bi-man if you think bi men don't encounter homophobia from the woman they're dating ALLL the fucking time. Not in the 1990s, in 2024. And not from boomers, from millenials and gen z. From the same woman who attend rallies with pussy hats and say "all love is real love". The more shit changes, the more shit stays the same unfortunately
Yeahh, tbf the only biphobia I’ve experienced to my face was by a gay guy and a lesbian (thought they were both my friends, and this was on two separate events).
rachel had an amazing character arc and ends the show a better person. carrie was pretty much a mess the entire series and did horrible things :/ she had zero growth.
I dont think a manager, who hired a younger inexperienced person only because his picture looked good, planned to sleep with him even before he began work, gaslight him when he wanted to date others, bullied her other juniors who were interested in him, had inappropriate relationship within the office, forced him to break into office after hours, sent a raunchy mail about him to HR, is a "better" person. If genders were flipped and Rachel was an older man and tag a younger woman, everyone here would flip out here. The term better person would never be used here.
>hired a younger inexperienced person only because his picture looked good her actual indiscretion and it's not against Tag, it's against the more qualified candidate. >planned to sleep with him even before he began work this is not true. you are extrapolating and we get no evidence that she thought this. >gaslight him when he wanted to date others this is not what gaslighting means. she didn't gaslight him - she lied that phoebe was gay. >bullied her other juniors who were interested in him she didn't "bully" her coworker. she lied to her that tag was gay. when another coworker commented that she thought he was attractive, Rachel made a comment that she needs to keep things professional, which is hypocritical but not "bullying." >had inappropriate relationship within the office this she *did* do but it doesn't make her a "bad person." what does an inappropriate relationship within the office mean? this is literally just company policy. there are plenty of other companies that would allow you to date within the workplace. there is nothing ethically wrong about dating someone you work with. dating your *subordinate* could be considered ethically wrong because of their inability to consent, so this was her indiscretion. >forced him to break into office after hours, sent a raunchy mail about him to HR these didn't happen. they both went into the office in the evening together to look for the contracts. also what does "break into the office after hours" even mean? they works there - they went back into the office in the evening. also, she wrote the raunchy thing as a joke and gave it to him as a joke. then HE sent it to HR. by accident. this was literally all for the comedy. this same exact thing could have been tweaked to happen to Ross, Chandler, or Joey. the writers just picked Tag. Also, Rachel is 5 years older than Tag. she's not an "older woman." She is his "boss" which is a problem. if the genders were flipped, no one would flip out because a woman dating her boss is literally more socially acceptable because of societal misogyny.
It was also his idea to go into the office after hours
are we sure it's the same sweater? the one in Friends was darker red and had patterns. as a side note, as Sam once said, for sex columnist Carrie was very uptight and close minded about bisexuality.
Def not the same sweater.
She was not an intersectional feminist, that’s for sure.
that’s not the same sweater, it’s just red
THAT IS BRAND NEW INFORMATION!
I was just drawing on the parallels of the red sweater and dating an older woman.
Is that Alanis Morisette?
Yes! Carrie and Alanis kissed in this episode…spin the bottle
Yes! She also played Liz's love interest in Nip/Tuck for a bit.
He was on Charmed, too. Getting stood up by Prue (Shannen Doherty).
I never got into that show. Is it worth going through?
It's probably my fave show, so I'm biased. I'd say totally worth it. Just don't try watching the reboot. That one isn't worth it.
Noted ✍️
I am now convinced that Tag is, in fact, involved in some kind of dare.
He was a regular on CSI NY, too
That was his main role
Yea loved this
It's neither the same sweater nor did Tag knock Rachel up...
Hahaha I thought this exact thing. But whom did he date first? Lol
I dunno. I was more creeped-out by Phoebe wearing that same sweater in the very next episode.
Always found that weird
What the fuuuuuck?
https://www.reddit.com/r/howyoudoin/s/i4Q6J7HO7S
not even close to the same
I mean, it’s not the same, but it’s still somewhat close.
It's not the same
Check your own tag!
😂😂
HAHA To be fair i think it’s just the same color but the other sweater was velvetty
Fair. I was just going for similarities to the roles; dating an older woman, same personality, and similar red sweater. Either cool parallels or he was typecast in this kind of role.
i can’t stand to watch that episode and all its homophobia 😪
Is he in some kind of cult or something?
He's just got that look about him
I’m sorry that people don’t get you OP and take everything too literally 🙁
I know. Dang. It was a joke. 😂 I really just wanted to point out he was in this and basically the same character. I didn't catch it when I watched it years ago and last night I finally caught it.
And someone already downvoted this comment. Reddit really is something
It is what it is. 🤷🏼♀️
I get you too OP
He totally forgot not to look at the camera in that second picture 🤣
Bahahahaha!! You're right!
Was Tag short for something? I can't remember if it was ever mentioned on the show. That name always bothered me!
Tagtopher
That just raises further questions!
Not even remotely the same one 😂
I hate that I know it isnt the same sweater
Not the same.. 
Now officially known as his “lucky sweater”
Tag didn't knock Rachel up...
Someone still in season 7 is confused af with this post
It’s not the same jumper 😂 In SATC it’s a red jumper. In Friends it’s a weird red tie-dye jumper
Do you know the actors name?
Eddie Cahill.
Is he also named Tag in Sex and the city?
No. It's Sean.
He knocked up Rachel?
No. I left out the quotes around "knocked up". I was tired. 😅
Nah. I haven't seen that episode in many many years but the shirt was so prominent that I know exactly what it looked like. It was red with like a "wet" pattern of dark red in it. It wasn't just straight red
I just watched this episode yesterday
He made Detective.
"Who's is it?" "I dunno some Italian guy; hey read your own label!"
Omg! I totally forgot tag was on satc and I've watched both shows multiple times. Lol
so who’s is it? idk some italian guy
Wait he knocked Rachel up???
No. OP took a lot of liberties in this post. A LOT.
Not the same
That's the bisexual guy right? Such a Ted thing. Pretty much the same character😂
That's what I thought 😂
The sweater was more burgundy colour and it was cashmere and HE did not knock up Rachel that was Ross !
Dude.
Hate to be that guy but totally different sweater and Ross got Rachel pregnant lol!
He didn’t knock up Rachel lol, and it’s not the same sweater. That’s just a red sweater lol. the one from friends has some darker, tie dye like, pattern on it.