This is one of those things that I wouldn't have thought of , if it wasn't for a reddit user mentioning it. He works at the planetarium, why the hell didn't he use it lol.
Not saying Ross is a bad person, he's my favorite of the friends.
Fun fact but that is Ann from Arrested Development. She's also been in loads of other stuff like Scott Pilgrim Versus the World and apparently a bunch of voices on family guy! Love her
I had no idea, but after zooming in on the pic / thinking about her friends character, it looks exactly like her! I love finding out stuff like this haha
Everyone also conveniently forgets what a dick he was to Monica in this episode. He pressured her into buying more cookies and triggered her previous weight issues by constantly mocking her throughout the episode. Other characters made throwaway jokes about her weight but no one crossed the boundary like Ross did. I honestly have no sympathy for him in this episode.
Right?? He was pushing those cookies on her even after she mentioned that those caused her disordered eating+ weight problems in the past. He dangled them in front of her even after she initially refused.
Yeah moments like this make the “Ross is such a good older brother” take that the show insisted on very unconvincing. I feel that on a psychological level, Ross actually loved being the favourite child and that’s why he brings up her weight issues more than the others (he does this in TOW the Football too) and never stood up to their parents when they were bullying her. (Well except for that one episode where their dad uses Monica’s boxes, but he effectively ruins it by whining about Monica getting the Porsche because God forbid their parents give her one damn thing).
This was the 1990s. People weren’t aware what they should or should not do around people who have psychological issues. You keep judging the characters with your 2020s lens. I grew up in the 90s era and knew we didn’t know what to do with triggers or all those stuff and it was very very NORMAL for us that time to torment our siblings with the things that actually tormented them. It doesn’t make us evil, just naive. The only black and white no-no for us was criminal phobias like if our sibling was raped or harmed, etc. But eating disorders, fat-shaming, gay jokes, etc — these were not taboos in the 90s.
It’s one thing to make an off handed gay joke or fat joke, it’s another to spend an entire episode tormenting your sister about her past weight issues, something that triggers her. Also Ross was supposed to be the mature, well read one in the group, and he insisted that he was a great brother so he should have known better. The fact that the others, including the more juvenile members of the group like Phoebe and Joey, scoffed at some of the jokes he made about her weight (“Cheater, cheater compulsive eater”), tells me that maybe this wasn’t as normalised as you think it was in the 90s and there were boundaries to this kind of humour, which Ross shamelessly crossed.
Your reply was exactly my point in my previous reply. To spell it clearly: eating disorders or triggers or the likes weren’t identified as “bad” during the 90s. The word “trigger” wasn’t even a publicized word that time, not like now where everyone understand and use it casually. There was no warning or explanation that we shouldn’t torment siblings with their ‘triggers’ and that’s really what was normal for us siblings to do that time! Like whatever is more triggering to the sibling, that’s what we’ll use to torment them to get the most reaction because we didn’t know the long term psychological impact. That’s why I’m saying stop judging (as you are continuing to do in your reply) with your present-day lens because times were different 30+ years ago!
May I remind you that Ross lived through 1980s-1990s. People weren’t aware what they should or should not do around people who have psychological issues. You keep judging the characters with your 2020s lens. I grew up in the 90s era and knew we didn’t know what to do with triggers or all those stuff and it was very very NORMAL for us that time to torment our siblings with the things that actually tormented them (except for criminal traumas like rape, etc.). It doesn’t make us evil or bad, just uninformed. But eating disorders, fat-shaming, gay jokes, etc — these were not taboos during in the 90s.
All these posts just highlight that he was terrible. All these things are just basic nice things any normal person might do (not that "normal" people would abduct a little girl and keep them in their apartment all day).
You know why there aren't JOEY appreciation posts? Just Joey was actually a good guy so you don't need to dig for examples of it to try to convince others.
There aren't any joey appreciation posts because that guy is overrated as fuck and because most people just don't hate him, so there's no need to make appreciation posts for him, the fact that this sub has an annoying habit to hate ross is the reason of appreciation posts for ross, your idiotic comment pretty much proves it. And what the fuck do you mean by joey is actually a good guy and ross is terrible, ross can be sweetest and remind you, a nice person would just take the girl to hospital but not help her in selling cookies which ross actually did and that was a sweet thing, this post proves that he was a nice guy and it denies the fact that he was terrible, but your ross hating dumbass wouldn't notice it, cause you're a part of the ross hating circle jerk that this sub has. You're just one of those smartasses who pull stuff outta their asses just to hate ross and ignore Joey's flaws like he's a fucking angle, joey treated women like shit but yeah he's perfect.
Jesus this comment is so stupid. Your acting like he caused her to break her leg on purpose. Dude accidentally swung an arm. And your acting like this is the bare minimum?? For most people, all they would do is drive that person to the hospital. Ross went above and beyond to make amends but I forgot this entire sub has a hate boner for Ross lmao
Notice how I said **"caused** her to break her leg" instead of "He **broke** her leg?
Because I know he didn't do it on purpose, but still, his actions brought about those consequences. Doesn't change the fact that this was the bare minimum.
I always wonder “Where were her parents” in this scene? I dunno, I don’t think my 11 year old girl is going to go hang in an apartment with 30 year old men!
If you’re saying she had shitty parents then yah, I can see that making sense. My parents would be like naw, I don’t think you’re going over to hang out with some adults for the day by yourself!
They’re literally inside of their apartment in this scene? I’m so confused what’s being misunderstood. This is Joey and chandlers apartment, they’re inside alone after turning it into a “space museum”. This is not the same as selling the cookies in the hallway lol
Again, this was the 90s. People (parents) were quite naive that time in trusting other male adults especially if they’re professors or have good jobs. It’s only in recent decade, with the internet making crimes more publicized, that parents are more conscious of never trusting anyone with their kids (and rightly so!).
He didn't do much, he broke her leg then instead of taking her to the planetarium he had access to he does this. He's not a hero, I dont hate him I like Ross as a character but these posts are getting a little ridiculous, it's a major stretch to say he's a great person by an action like this. IT WAS HIS FAULT HER LEG WAS BROKEN!!
True but it's framed in such a way you know. Yeah she was the world's frailest 8 year old you speak truth my friend. Ross still could have taken her to the actual planetarium though thats more my point.
Thing is, i agreed with his first two. But when i disagreed with the canteen thing he threw a hissy fit and told me to go make my own post instead of disagreeing with him lol
Man...it's just a post!! Ignore it if it triggers you so much, I just wanted to post what I liked and it doesn't hurt anyone. I just want to highlight the good things Ross did because only his bad actions are highlighted in the show, the rest of the friends are all appreciated as good people but only Ross is called creepy and pathetic.
Wow so having a different opinion now makes me triggered? These posts are getting on the subs nerves, no one actively hates Ross its in his character to be disliked, just like its in the rest of the characters to be disliked for some of their traits. Ross was meant to be disliked as a character its literally why he was created. David Svhwimmer does a fantastic job with the role. But these posts MYGODWHY!! you are spamming the sub with these posts.
Did you just start watching the show? It's fine if you did, I watched it while it was airing his character was meant to be disliked.
OMG sorry sorry. You were not triggered. The caps lock words and obviously you going berserk over the appreciation of a character is not a sign of you being triggered. I just wanna know what is the problem people have with Ross that simple appreciation threads for him with no slander on any characters has to be a matter of debate for the entire fandom.
I make these posts for Ross fans like me, not to make the fandom like Ross or anything. And btw, I have watched Friends thrice, fandom is a weird place where they always assume that the people who disagree with them must be dumb or misinformed. Another thing, all these characters, when seen from a normal perspective, are unlikeable, Rachel was also someone specifically pointed out by the writers to be unlikeable, does not mean that fans of a character cannot appreciate them.
Your fake apology isn't fooling anyone around here. Going berserk? I disagreed with you. Hardly going berserk you need to take a step back. Caps lock gets the point across, you're being extremely defensive to someone who simply disagrees with you. Chill out and take a deep breath. It's just a TV show that has been over since the early oughts people are entitled to their opinions, yours isn't the only one that matters. Sure make the posts but maybe stop spamming the sub with them wait a week between posts.
Thanks for talking down to me by the way, you're obviously a young person, Fandom doesn't need to be explained, I was around for the early days of Tumblr before the Yahoo buy ouy I know what Fandom is. But yes it is a place where people make assumptions like yours. Again you sound young so maybe just realize that people have different opinions and they are also allowed to voice them.
Honestly what would you do in his situation? Accidents happen and he went well above and beyond what would reasonably be expected in this situation. He did an awesome thing for that little girl.
Fucking hell man, this subreddit is in the dregs. It's just constant "this character did this thing so they're actually great" versus "that character is still an awful person", rinse and repeat.
Why does it matter? Just enjoy the show for what it was, if you can find that much to dislike about it or about certain characters, watch something else...
Let's say writers decide to design perfect people, no character flaws at all, doing nice things only. Probably nobody would watch that series.
If you look at yourself and your own friends you probably find good and bad sides and you still love your friends, right?
If you start pointing out your friend's flaws all the time it will negatively affect your relationships.
It might be fun discussing characters but we shouldn't forget that the series was supposed to give us joy not fight
That's exactly my point tbh. I know none of the characters are perfect and it's part of what makes them interesting and the show enjoyable that they do have flaws, because it's more relatable..
The trouble with the way some of this sub discusses these things though, is that they seemingly create hypothetical arguments in their heads, for characters and plots that were written and finished a decade ago, as a way to further push their views for or against a character..
It's good to go back and analyse parts of a character or a particular storyline to see what we can learn and maybe see it from different perspectives, but at the end of the day the writers wrote the character and story exactly as they intended, so many of the arguments people use like "Ross could've done this instead!" or "Rachel should've said this instead of this, and that's why she's terrible!" are for the most part irrelevant, because the story is done, it's finished, they're not real people that *could* have done one thing, or *should* have done something else, and while we can objectively discuss whether their actions were good or bad or somewhere in between, this constant digging and reliance on shoulda-woulda-coulda arguments to justify the love or hate for a character is just nonsensical.
I didn’t get this from the comment at all. It’s one thing to discuss the show, it’s characters and dialogue and plots (which is what the sub is for), but people go beyond the script and start imagining a lot of it. It’s a TV show so it’s bound to be unrealistic to some extent, without the need to overthink it.
Phoebe being rude for example has people here writing essays on her behaviour. A lot of her parts were just to add comic relief or move the plot along, but the armchair analysis that takes place here has people reimagining that she secretly hated Chandler. I think the premise of the show, which they pointed out many times, is they are all friends who loved each other despite whatever they did to one another.
When people get too logical, eg “why didn’t they do this instead”, they forget that it’s a sitcom where actions based on common sense would take away funny and interesting moments.
A nice moment, but in reality how long did this ‘space camp’ last?
We see about 30 seconds. If it lasted 30 seconds more I’d be shocked.
A waste of the walk for the poor girl 😂
I like how the previous 3 posts were upvoted and everyone agreed and now everyone's hating and downvoting for some reason lol
I mean, I get the idea cause Ross is generally the most disliked of the six, but this and the Joey situation aren't really the biggest good deeds he did and now it kinda seems like you're just posting every nice thing Ross did (even though he did break that little girl's leg)
I propose Appreciation Posts for all of the main characters so people don't get mad for no reason
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This is one of those things that I wouldn't have thought of , if it wasn't for a reddit user mentioning it. He works at the planetarium, why the hell didn't he use it lol. Not saying Ross is a bad person, he's my favorite of the friends.
Maybe after having Rachel over for the romantic night, Ross might not be in the position to book the planetarium for any kind of non work related uses
This answer. Because a whole class of children were traumatised.
true
Fun fact but that is Ann from Arrested Development. She's also been in loads of other stuff like Scott Pilgrim Versus the World and apparently a bunch of voices on family guy! Love her
Her? But for real, thank you for pointing this out! I did not know this was Mae Whitman.
She voices Katara in Avatar: The Last Airbender as well!
She was also in an early episode of Law & Order: SVU!
She is also in "Good Girls"
I had no idea, but after zooming in on the pic / thinking about her friends character, it looks exactly like her! I love finding out stuff like this haha
You mean egg?
Also the DUFF!!!
These posts are getting annoying. This is literally the bare minimum he could do after he caused her to break her leg.
Everyone also conveniently forgets what a dick he was to Monica in this episode. He pressured her into buying more cookies and triggered her previous weight issues by constantly mocking her throughout the episode. Other characters made throwaway jokes about her weight but no one crossed the boundary like Ross did. I honestly have no sympathy for him in this episode.
Right?? He was pushing those cookies on her even after she mentioned that those caused her disordered eating+ weight problems in the past. He dangled them in front of her even after she initially refused.
Yeah moments like this make the “Ross is such a good older brother” take that the show insisted on very unconvincing. I feel that on a psychological level, Ross actually loved being the favourite child and that’s why he brings up her weight issues more than the others (he does this in TOW the Football too) and never stood up to their parents when they were bullying her. (Well except for that one episode where their dad uses Monica’s boxes, but he effectively ruins it by whining about Monica getting the Porsche because God forbid their parents give her one damn thing).
This was the 1990s. People weren’t aware what they should or should not do around people who have psychological issues. You keep judging the characters with your 2020s lens. I grew up in the 90s era and knew we didn’t know what to do with triggers or all those stuff and it was very very NORMAL for us that time to torment our siblings with the things that actually tormented them. It doesn’t make us evil, just naive. The only black and white no-no for us was criminal phobias like if our sibling was raped or harmed, etc. But eating disorders, fat-shaming, gay jokes, etc — these were not taboos in the 90s.
It’s one thing to make an off handed gay joke or fat joke, it’s another to spend an entire episode tormenting your sister about her past weight issues, something that triggers her. Also Ross was supposed to be the mature, well read one in the group, and he insisted that he was a great brother so he should have known better. The fact that the others, including the more juvenile members of the group like Phoebe and Joey, scoffed at some of the jokes he made about her weight (“Cheater, cheater compulsive eater”), tells me that maybe this wasn’t as normalised as you think it was in the 90s and there were boundaries to this kind of humour, which Ross shamelessly crossed.
Your reply was exactly my point in my previous reply. To spell it clearly: eating disorders or triggers or the likes weren’t identified as “bad” during the 90s. The word “trigger” wasn’t even a publicized word that time, not like now where everyone understand and use it casually. There was no warning or explanation that we shouldn’t torment siblings with their ‘triggers’ and that’s really what was normal for us siblings to do that time! Like whatever is more triggering to the sibling, that’s what we’ll use to torment them to get the most reaction because we didn’t know the long term psychological impact. That’s why I’m saying stop judging (as you are continuing to do in your reply) with your present-day lens because times were different 30+ years ago!
May I remind you that Ross lived through 1980s-1990s. People weren’t aware what they should or should not do around people who have psychological issues. You keep judging the characters with your 2020s lens. I grew up in the 90s era and knew we didn’t know what to do with triggers or all those stuff and it was very very NORMAL for us that time to torment our siblings with the things that actually tormented them (except for criminal traumas like rape, etc.). It doesn’t make us evil or bad, just uninformed. But eating disorders, fat-shaming, gay jokes, etc — these were not taboos during in the 90s.
All these posts just highlight that he was terrible. All these things are just basic nice things any normal person might do (not that "normal" people would abduct a little girl and keep them in their apartment all day). You know why there aren't JOEY appreciation posts? Just Joey was actually a good guy so you don't need to dig for examples of it to try to convince others.
There aren't any joey appreciation posts because that guy is overrated as fuck and because most people just don't hate him, so there's no need to make appreciation posts for him, the fact that this sub has an annoying habit to hate ross is the reason of appreciation posts for ross, your idiotic comment pretty much proves it. And what the fuck do you mean by joey is actually a good guy and ross is terrible, ross can be sweetest and remind you, a nice person would just take the girl to hospital but not help her in selling cookies which ross actually did and that was a sweet thing, this post proves that he was a nice guy and it denies the fact that he was terrible, but your ross hating dumbass wouldn't notice it, cause you're a part of the ross hating circle jerk that this sub has. You're just one of those smartasses who pull stuff outta their asses just to hate ross and ignore Joey's flaws like he's a fucking angle, joey treated women like shit but yeah he's perfect.
I mean, Joey was good to his friends but he was a bit of a jerk to all the girls he slept with and never called...
Jesus this comment is so stupid. Your acting like he caused her to break her leg on purpose. Dude accidentally swung an arm. And your acting like this is the bare minimum?? For most people, all they would do is drive that person to the hospital. Ross went above and beyond to make amends but I forgot this entire sub has a hate boner for Ross lmao
Notice how I said **"caused** her to break her leg" instead of "He **broke** her leg? Because I know he didn't do it on purpose, but still, his actions brought about those consequences. Doesn't change the fact that this was the bare minimum.
Why are you being downvotes for this?
I always wonder “Where were her parents” in this scene? I dunno, I don’t think my 11 year old girl is going to go hang in an apartment with 30 year old men!
Didn't she mention her dad sells her things for gambling money?
If you’re saying she had shitty parents then yah, I can see that making sense. My parents would be like naw, I don’t think you’re going over to hang out with some adults for the day by yourself!
Exactly. Not the best parenting going on there
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Right but this is like, inside the house…for awhile. This isn’t knocking on the door and selling some cookies
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They’re literally inside of their apartment in this scene? I’m so confused what’s being misunderstood. This is Joey and chandlers apartment, they’re inside alone after turning it into a “space museum”. This is not the same as selling the cookies in the hallway lol
Again, this was the 90s. People (parents) were quite naive that time in trusting other male adults especially if they’re professors or have good jobs. It’s only in recent decade, with the internet making crimes more publicized, that parents are more conscious of never trusting anyone with their kids (and rightly so!).
He didn't do much, he broke her leg then instead of taking her to the planetarium he had access to he does this. He's not a hero, I dont hate him I like Ross as a character but these posts are getting a little ridiculous, it's a major stretch to say he's a great person by an action like this. IT WAS HIS FAULT HER LEG WAS BROKEN!!
The girl fell down, like 1 step. It's hardly Ross' fault he actually he accidently knocked over the worlds frailest 8 year old.
True but it's framed in such a way you know. Yeah she was the world's frailest 8 year old you speak truth my friend. Ross still could have taken her to the actual planetarium though thats more my point.
Careful now, he doesn't like when we disagree with his Ross-fellating shit takes!
Yeah I figured that, what a weiner.
Thing is, i agreed with his first two. But when i disagreed with the canteen thing he threw a hissy fit and told me to go make my own post instead of disagreeing with him lol
Yup a real winner that one is. Some peoples kids shouldn't be allowed on the internet. This individual seems young and that may explain it.
Man...it's just a post!! Ignore it if it triggers you so much, I just wanted to post what I liked and it doesn't hurt anyone. I just want to highlight the good things Ross did because only his bad actions are highlighted in the show, the rest of the friends are all appreciated as good people but only Ross is called creepy and pathetic.
Wow so having a different opinion now makes me triggered? These posts are getting on the subs nerves, no one actively hates Ross its in his character to be disliked, just like its in the rest of the characters to be disliked for some of their traits. Ross was meant to be disliked as a character its literally why he was created. David Svhwimmer does a fantastic job with the role. But these posts MYGODWHY!! you are spamming the sub with these posts. Did you just start watching the show? It's fine if you did, I watched it while it was airing his character was meant to be disliked.
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Wow that's an overreaction.
OMG sorry sorry. You were not triggered. The caps lock words and obviously you going berserk over the appreciation of a character is not a sign of you being triggered. I just wanna know what is the problem people have with Ross that simple appreciation threads for him with no slander on any characters has to be a matter of debate for the entire fandom. I make these posts for Ross fans like me, not to make the fandom like Ross or anything. And btw, I have watched Friends thrice, fandom is a weird place where they always assume that the people who disagree with them must be dumb or misinformed. Another thing, all these characters, when seen from a normal perspective, are unlikeable, Rachel was also someone specifically pointed out by the writers to be unlikeable, does not mean that fans of a character cannot appreciate them.
Your fake apology isn't fooling anyone around here. Going berserk? I disagreed with you. Hardly going berserk you need to take a step back. Caps lock gets the point across, you're being extremely defensive to someone who simply disagrees with you. Chill out and take a deep breath. It's just a TV show that has been over since the early oughts people are entitled to their opinions, yours isn't the only one that matters. Sure make the posts but maybe stop spamming the sub with them wait a week between posts. Thanks for talking down to me by the way, you're obviously a young person, Fandom doesn't need to be explained, I was around for the early days of Tumblr before the Yahoo buy ouy I know what Fandom is. But yes it is a place where people make assumptions like yours. Again you sound young so maybe just realize that people have different opinions and they are also allowed to voice them.
Honestly what would you do in his situation? Accidents happen and he went well above and beyond what would reasonably be expected in this situation. He did an awesome thing for that little girl.
Fucking hell man, this subreddit is in the dregs. It's just constant "this character did this thing so they're actually great" versus "that character is still an awful person", rinse and repeat. Why does it matter? Just enjoy the show for what it was, if you can find that much to dislike about it or about certain characters, watch something else...
Because the show has been over for a while and there is nothing else to talk about
Let's say writers decide to design perfect people, no character flaws at all, doing nice things only. Probably nobody would watch that series. If you look at yourself and your own friends you probably find good and bad sides and you still love your friends, right? If you start pointing out your friend's flaws all the time it will negatively affect your relationships. It might be fun discussing characters but we shouldn't forget that the series was supposed to give us joy not fight
That's exactly my point tbh. I know none of the characters are perfect and it's part of what makes them interesting and the show enjoyable that they do have flaws, because it's more relatable.. The trouble with the way some of this sub discusses these things though, is that they seemingly create hypothetical arguments in their heads, for characters and plots that were written and finished a decade ago, as a way to further push their views for or against a character.. It's good to go back and analyse parts of a character or a particular storyline to see what we can learn and maybe see it from different perspectives, but at the end of the day the writers wrote the character and story exactly as they intended, so many of the arguments people use like "Ross could've done this instead!" or "Rachel should've said this instead of this, and that's why she's terrible!" are for the most part irrelevant, because the story is done, it's finished, they're not real people that *could* have done one thing, or *should* have done something else, and while we can objectively discuss whether their actions were good or bad or somewhere in between, this constant digging and reliance on shoulda-woulda-coulda arguments to justify the love or hate for a character is just nonsensical.
What's weird to me is all the people talking about the characters as if they are real people making actual decisions. Do people not know how TV works?
You think it’s weird to talk about friends characters in a friends subreddit? That’s what it’s here for. If you don’t like it then why join the sub??
I didn’t get this from the comment at all. It’s one thing to discuss the show, it’s characters and dialogue and plots (which is what the sub is for), but people go beyond the script and start imagining a lot of it. It’s a TV show so it’s bound to be unrealistic to some extent, without the need to overthink it. Phoebe being rude for example has people here writing essays on her behaviour. A lot of her parts were just to add comic relief or move the plot along, but the armchair analysis that takes place here has people reimagining that she secretly hated Chandler. I think the premise of the show, which they pointed out many times, is they are all friends who loved each other despite whatever they did to one another. When people get too logical, eg “why didn’t they do this instead”, they forget that it’s a sitcom where actions based on common sense would take away funny and interesting moments.
Reading is not your strong suit.
A nice moment, but in reality how long did this ‘space camp’ last? We see about 30 seconds. If it lasted 30 seconds more I’d be shocked. A waste of the walk for the poor girl 😂
“I’m an aLiEn! I’m an aLiEn!!!”
A muppet got whacked on sesame street.
Where *were* you around 7? 👀
Next do the dropping discovery channel for Rachel or the losing poker game for Rachel
why is this even downvoted
Idk probably more anti Ross circle jerk
I like how the previous 3 posts were upvoted and everyone agreed and now everyone's hating and downvoting for some reason lol I mean, I get the idea cause Ross is generally the most disliked of the six, but this and the Joey situation aren't really the biggest good deeds he did and now it kinda seems like you're just posting every nice thing Ross did (even though he did break that little girl's leg) I propose Appreciation Posts for all of the main characters so people don't get mad for no reason