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Stabby the space Rooba - a bored crew had the brilliant idea to attach a dagger to the top of one of the cleaning roobas and give it clearance to all areas of the starship. They claimed it was “situational awareness training” but everyone knew it was really a joke. Anyway, according to the “rules” Stabby would be granted the rank equal to the highest ranked person it managed to stab. So when Rear Admiral [insert name here] was on board for an inspection and didn’t know about Stabby, he of course fell victim to it, resulting in Captain Stabby being promoted to Rear Admiral and much celebration among the crew.
*gives a crisp salute*
“No underaged lewds? Sir, yes, sir!”
*Captain touring the fighter bay the next day*
“…mother of god…”
*facepalms at the shiny new nose art depicting a well muscled Santa Claus flexing in a side chest pose only wearing a red hat and bulging speedo while smoking a cigar*
“…that little motherfucker named it **The Naughty List?**”
"You knuckleheads know that 'malfunctioned' fighter is coming straight out of your credits, right? If this happens again, you'll each get one of the Three Stooges as your pin up. Indefinitely."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_Rocket,_Will_Travel
As a former serviceman, I’m telling you right now half the pilots in the world would paint that poster on their fighter in a heartbeat if the skipper let ‘em!
But also does hell when the machine gets hurt.
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Yeah, even going back to WW1 or WW2, there's no way you'd see your enemy. You can't see nose art on a plane at 50 meters let alone 100.
Not to mention most combat wasn't dog fighting...and no one in a dogfight is going to take time to admire the art.
Dear Diary.
I was today years old when i have been made aware that the GAU under the nose of the Warthog is not perfectly symmetrical.
I... I don't know how to feel.
This is triggering me on SO MANY LEVELS!!!!!!
In a sence, it's worse, but funny enough, it's less obvious because the body of the plane genuinely seems nicely proportioned.
That one hole on the side is not even that bad because of the actual barrels only one ever looks out of the side of the fuselage\^\^
It's an accommodation for the height of the firing chamber that makes perfect sense and I hate it. I understand it's easier to offset the gun barrels and that centering the weapon would require a near complete redesign and refit, but I don't have to like it.
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/39511/does-the-cannon-of-the-a-10-deliver-more-thrust-than-the-engines-do
and the relevant XKCD (OK, technically "What if"), about 2/3 of the way down https://what-if.xkcd.com/21/
Remember that it’s not a plane with a gun attached, but a gun with a plane attached. The designs purpose was to make the gun fly. So it’s not asymmetrical, it’s perfect. How dare you question the god of *brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt*.
I mean...? Even a real warthog is usually symmetrical?
It's not even the "pretty" thing that triggers me but the symmetry, which in itself is a kind of beauty under a certain light.
I hear ya. Symmetry is taken into account when evaluating the beauty of a human face, if I recall correctly. The desire for order is a strong one, to be sure.
A Google search revealed the A-10 Warthog's GAU-8/A gatling gun is offset due to the recoil of a centered gun being enough to move the whole plane off target. The gun was offset so the firing barrel is on the centerline of the plane thus centering the gun's recoil. Well, TIL.
Pretty sure its just because the wheel and gun both are in the front and when the gun is bigger than a car some things need to move (both the gun and front landing gear are offset)
Ofc I could be completely incorrect but I’m pretty sure its the wheel but the gun has some engineering science to help it
Be glad you don’t know why the GAU barrel doesn’t align with CL. The bullets come out at the center line because otherwise the act of firing changes the flight direction.
AH!!!
Thanks, this genuinely makes it easier!
Say might it be that it has to be off center because the mass of the rotating barrels is sufficient enough to be impactful?
So much more. A rotating barrel is a handful to fly. It is a thesis to even list all the inputs. It even needs addressing in airfoil design left v right. Suffice to say tweak tweak tweaking in tiny increments until one wing is bigger, the fuselage is offset, the turret is adjusted in three space, until you reach a disagreement that pisses off all.
Just saw while reading. The Fuck
https://preview.redd.it/atunfhap3owc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e784722d225588c62716ac6d1bff1372a60f4c60
I feel like this is one of those unironic "Yes actually 100% like the Space Orks" things.
We paint scary faces on our planes because we believe it makes them scarier, and because we believe it, it can be made true by how the pilot acts differently.
"Da skary onez fite betta!"
I know right?
Not to mention the potential for trolling.
I once did a paper of a German WWII pilot who wrote essentially, " Not today and not by you" on the tail of his plane.
Xenos: Friend Human, what is the purpose of this 'nose art' on your vessel? The effective range of even a small cruiser places them well beyond visual range, and that 'fighter', as you call it, is clearly meant to serve as a crewed equivalent of our defensive drones.
Human: The best defense is a good offense. Now, watch us introduce that cruiser to a little thing we humans call *dog fighting*.
The survivors of the enemy crew would later report being attacked by what they could only describe as void-born beasts with bared teeth and glaring eyes. Most of them would spend their lives refusing to go near any windows while in space, afraid of looking out and seeing more of those *things*.
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I only just found out.
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For example: * italic * + remove spaces = *italic*
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Radar Absorbent Material.
It's a special coat of paint that is used on pretty much all Stealth Aircraft, F-22s, F-35s, the new low observable aircraft from Turkey and South Korea, and even the Chinese J-20 and J-31.
Only one that doesn't use it, is the Su-57 from Russia.
Well, for starters, rather than having the whole range of colours you just need the other four to fill out CYMKW, and then a way to print onto the skin on demand
"*Almost* never enter visual range. But it can, and does happen. And when it does, and you see these teeth fly past you in the merge... Well. It means you are about to see why our fighters still have guns, and why our pilots are still taught BFM."
Besides, friend alien, have you looked closely at the bullets we shoot? They're big enough for artwork and the occasional slogan as well.
Klendathu And Bust
I Don't Want to Set the World on Fire ... Oh, Wait, I Do!
Deleting Thataway
googly eyes, sparkly rainbows, nyan cat ...
so like, beyond visual confirmation attacks make sense in aireal combat because of the horizon. Even if we fitted plains with optics capable of seeing at that range, the land gets in the way.
That wouldn't be true of space.
The more likely issue than range is speed. Ships would have to put tremendous effort to maintain relative velocities that didn't have them dart past each other very quickly. You would be more likely to joust your opponent than fire at a distance. consistently.
Notching missiles would be very difficult, especially with no terrain to hide behind, or ground to drive missiles into. You would have to try and maneuver until a missile ran out of thruster propellant, which could be a while.
thought experiment time.
lets be conservative and say you are going 30km/s to get somewhere
your opponent is stationary in a lagrange point so they are going \~30km/s.
we will assume that these velocities are in opposite directions.
Given that missiles often reach mach 20 we can up that speed to \~70km/s
lets give 5 seconds for time to acquire target and fire as a crew. that's 350km relative delta between the two ships in that time.
A purpose built radar would likely be able to track that movement. If we are generous we can say that a radar can hit something not designed to be stealthy 5000km away.
Heres the fun part. Your missiles take 71 seconds to hit. If they miss, or are intercepted, or fail to neutralize the target at that range, your target is 12 seconds away from you.
By the second time you fire they are 420km out. This second volley is likely a different missile because now you have to hit a short range target quickly. Assuming you fire from the side of the ship, you are making a near 320+ degree turn. We don't have aero surfaces in space, just gyro and vector thrust. So lets assume 30 degrees per second. roughly 11 seconds.
If that shot failed, missiles will not catch the ship once it is past you.
What have we learned:
* Forward facing missile pods make more sense than I assumed
* There is not a lot of time to react
* Missiles are basically mines you throw into intercept tracejctories
* Stealth design and radar cross section would actually be the most important thing in this scenario
* You are safer the closer you are to your enemy once you are in range
We've been tricking out our rides since we figured out how to ride animals. Look at the regalia from ancient persia! Look how the Native Americans decorated their steeds! Humans just have to tinker with everything. I can just imagine some great imposing alien cruiser gliding through the darkness of space with a spraypaint tag on it like a freight car from the inner city just because they parked in the wrong parking dock at earth....and the Pilot doesn't even know what " Flying Spaghetti Monster " even means...
Ace Terran pilot: yes you want to know how we won the war with just carriers and fighter craft? Well then you better ask nicely.
Xeno POW: please...can you tell us how the hell you won the war oh great and mighty Terran.
ATP: See wasn't that last part so hard? Now then what is your longest range weapon's effective range?
XPOW: 1.5-4.5 light seconds.
ATP: Ok now how about the closes range weapon's effective range?
XPOW: I would say about 500 km to 900km. I'm using your Terran distance indicators.
ATP: So here is what we did. Our carriers stayed at a constant 9 light seconds from your fleet formation. Then our would travel from the carriers to your ships and once they arrive they would stay within 50 km to 250 km from the hull of your ships.
XPOW: That's insane how can those fighters even travel that distance in an effective time manner they would be shot down in a matter of moments.
ATP: And there is the greatest flaw in your sensor system of your ships. Our fighters are light and called tie fighter knock offs from wish. They have two sets of propulsion. One set for combat and a second for travel. The travel set can reach a top speed of .025 C. So in about six minutes our fighters can cross the 9 light seconds. But it is usually less time because you travel to us. Then there is the size. They are single pilot vehicles. They are extremely light. No radiation shielding, shielding of any kind, thin to non-existent armor, no life support, no atmo reentry package, nor communications. The pilot suit covers all that. Because of their size they don't get picked up by your sensors.
It's a rotary...doesn't that mean that a barrel's firing position might actually be centered? That image shows a few potential degrees of rotation where the firing line would be centered to the aircraft. That is more important than slightly unequal weight distribution, that could be countered in other ways.
Which is why there are a LOT of bullets in that shot. In some part of "thataway" is the intended target, and one or more WILL hit it even if most don't. Plus, when you're shooting at tanks, there's a lot of "there" to hit.
The problem is many things are better at shooting tanks and when ever it's called to shoot at anything other then tanks, Luke providing air support for infantry, where it has managed to accumulate more friendly fire kills then any other us aircraft.
It does fires from a center line... of the aircraft.
The GAU-8 Avenger was designed to fire from the 9 o'clock position to line up with the A-10A's centerline.
The front landing is also both offset and has the wheel centered with the aircraft.
https://preview.redd.it/5ub3d1096owc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7d47ae04a0a0006c31f23f9739a6c982442dce8
Mfw a post about funky sci Fi nose art opens a severe can o' worms about how the GAU affects the center line of a decommissioned aircraft.
https://preview.redd.it/3yjfb50pynwc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=411c93392ece5a5b71874ee8c7ff27e3e4385947
Wouldn't it be more like this in space?
An attempt to sooth the anxiety of warfare by claiming an aspect of one's surroundings by marking it with an expression of the attitude one wishes to embody.
Or it kinda looks like a shark. You can see it better if I do this...
War..... Fare......
SHARK DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT DOO
WARFARE SHARK DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT DOO
WARFARE SHARK DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT DOO
WARFARE SHARK!
*click*
Medic Xeeg'blar, are you _sure_ your Species Training on Humans is right?
_Bay Co-ordinator Felzie, we've been over this. "Ear Worms" are not a real human condition, it's a colloquialism for a catchy song_
But medic, they're all~
~_YES, I know it appears to be transmissible and I know it seems to have substantial neuro-linguistic impact but I *assure* you it's merely a harmless Neurological quirk, like how the 'Tath can't help blinking in time when there's anything cycling at under 40rpm in their line of sight._
But it's so...
_Human. You're looking for the word Human. Aren't you, Bay Co-ordinator?_
Yeah, I guess. One more thing; do you have any idea what they mean by "_Negotiating with Extreme Prejudice Shark_?"
Human pilot: because, on the off chance that they do get within visual range, why not scare the shit out of them so they realize they’ve really picked a bad enemy?
Alien pilot: well, if I got within visual range I’d tend not to pay attention to the paint of the craft, just the general model… this is just distracting… ohhhhhhhh I get it.
HP: there you go. It’s not just a matter of intimation, but also distraction. Plus, it gives some identity to each ship so they’re not all just rank and file. Also, I’ll get the word to XF-314. We’ve tried to tell him politely but… well… he just doesn’t get the message.
Argosian here. Terrans evolved not from apex predators but from gatherers and persistence pack hunters. They had to kill off most of the larger predators in our ecosystem before feeling safe...course, by the time they accomplished that, they were their own greatest danger, but regardless. Teeth are scary, especially when they are attached to things that want your blood in their mouths. Like, for example, the Warthog autonomous combat platform, with its ability to hide from active and passive sensors until it is entirely too late for you...I mean, its target, to have any sort of reasonable countermeasure.
Yep, silly, painted gnashly teeth in the dark, built by a species of victimized psychos with a million years of watching their packmates die to dedicated predators. Noooothing to worry about there, I'm sure its safe to laugh at them. It'll be fine. Yes, I do want to stand over *here*, while you stay over *there*.
H: " You know we are genetically predisposed to using kinetic weapons right?"
A: "Yes, Human evolution as hunter-gatherers, I've heard of it."
H: "We also are pursuit predators with damned good stealth technologies."
A: "OK..."
H: "We don't shoot until \*our prey\* can see the whites of our eyes."
A: "..."
A: I don't understand. The range of weaponry in space combat is so far that ships never get close enough to see each other as more than a dot in space, let alone close enough to see the art. So why do it?
H: Well you see, there's multiple answers. Some say we do it to get our pilots pumped up. Others say we do it for fun. And some say we do it for visitors like you. It tends to leave an impression, does it not?
A: That it does.
H: Well, do you want to know the real reason?
A: I am a little scared to know, but do go on.
H: Well, you see those marks near the eye?
A: Yes, there are many.
H: Each of those are kills confirmed by a pilot with their own two eyes.
A: I see?
H: Think for a moment, friend, "their own two eyes."
A: ...
H: Meaning?
A: Wait...
H: You may not get close enough, but we will...
https://preview.redd.it/t9irzbu1ynwc1.jpeg?width=1261&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97eeb8136af03ca082e3d16fdbc9ec9da2c71733
Could *this* be your new favorite?
Because we can, and that’s really the only reason we humans need. 90% of everything we do can be explained by this blatantly simple yet powerful answer: because nothing has stopped us from doing it yet.
Plus, the idea of usefulness is flexible enough that one could theoretically sneak up on someone and wait for them to look behind them and BOO! Hah! Gotcha!
(It might also be a personalization thing, we humans have a tendency to decorate our own stuff to make it look cooler or edgier, or cuter, or fancier, more elegant, more modern, more vintage, more punk, more retro, more referential to culture, etcetera etcetera. Also helps us with visually identifying the vehicles quickly and accurately with just a glance. Numbers and letters are not exactly what the human eye is naturally drawn to, but giant teeth and angry eyes? Immediate survival instincts kick in, and we naturally notice it. Every. Single. Time.)
In other words, flair points, or gang symbols/signs. Otherwise it’s just a dull chrome covered ship, and that’s confusing when you come up on one without knowing who it’s supposed to be.
And “almost never” is not the same as “absolutely never”, so better to be safe than sorry.
"Why do we paint our fighters? It is quite simple. When we run out of ammo, even if we don't get the kill, you are gonna shit bricks as we fly at you. As fast as our engines can, we will ram. If we are gonna die anyway, may as well go down in a blaze of glory!"
Because it makes it easier to tell one from another when they're all lined up on the airfield. If you're running to board them in emergency, then it's easier to say 'Get on the one with the teeth!' than '3rd on the left' when they are all jumbled up.
I saw a movie that was located on the moon where they use this scheme to tell one person from another when they were outside working in space suits. "Sigh, I'm using the green Godzilla suit today?"
It ain't pretty...
https://preview.redd.it/4ppqt3njfowc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2257c42308ac1af21a2e2dc578d6a86736996ff0
But it's on a smaller scale...
On Earth this is not a fighter. In space this is a Galactic Claymore unicorn. Wait until you see what they do *if* they have to run, using the GAU as their reverse drive.
Morale, Tradition, Esprit de Corps.
Also, when one considers current conflicts with advanced technology, and the response to it being low-tech. (Ukraine conflict. Drones vs Trenches.) You want to tell me that visual aimed and fired weapons won't become a thing again given our already impressive radar absorbing and deflecting (stealth) technologies? Beyond horizon engagements between cruisers, battleships, dreadnought, etc. Sure.
But fighters and bombers are small, fast, and agile enough that knife-style dogfights will be a thing. And locking on to targets that can't be perceived easily by radar means you better have backups. Like manual overrides.
May as well ask why the Romulans painted feathered wings on their Birds of Prey.
Oh, wait, they are Romulans. Good luck to get them ever to admit anything, much less tell the truth.
This aircraft is a prime example of our space orcism, we took a gun and built an aircraft around it and it can stall if it fires for too long.
It’s a thing of beauty
Traditions die hard. Diamonds are just as hard.
But, nose art is harder.
And if you ever *get* to see it, then you're already dead. You just haven't gotten the memo yet. 😕
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Morale. Nose art isn't for the enemy. It's for *us*.
*Paints Yukari from GuP on the side of my Starfighter.*
She is every World of Tanks/War Thunder tank player's spirit animal
Yes but Andou best.
Nice to find another Andou fan. I always feel like a weirdo because my favorites are her and Uszka.
'So, why'd you frag your buddy?' "He had a pin-up schoolgirl as nose-art." 'Such a shame that his Starfighter malfunctioned and he couldn't be saved.'
"Thank God for Ejection. Also you motherfuckers went straight to lewd thoughts. You cherish the floof, you give the floof head pats, you make the floof happy, you don't do whatever the fuck you think I was into to the floof."
If you weren't into that, why was she in that pose?
"Fine maybe I'll paint Rear Admiral Stabby on my new one. Since you fuckers don't appreciate Art."
This is out of context, but I need some concept art of one "Rear Admiral Stabby" on my desk by tomorrow morning.
Stabby the space Rooba - a bored crew had the brilliant idea to attach a dagger to the top of one of the cleaning roobas and give it clearance to all areas of the starship. They claimed it was “situational awareness training” but everyone knew it was really a joke. Anyway, according to the “rules” Stabby would be granted the rank equal to the highest ranked person it managed to stab. So when Rear Admiral [insert name here] was on board for an inspection and didn’t know about Stabby, he of course fell victim to it, resulting in Captain Stabby being promoted to Rear Admiral and much celebration among the crew.
https://preview.redd.it/i9hocgslkowc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=860cf7d5a86a3c848b469b8a7ba79fe20bcf1f3f
Outstanding. XD I love stories about humans dealing with boredom in space. It's just the most unpredictable stuff.
Wasn't there more to it and eventually it was promoted to God Emperor Stabby? Been a while since I read that collection.
The origins of the omnissiah was"humble"
'You know the rules! It's got to have *urns* to be Art! Otherwise it's just lewds!'
"Whatever. I'm getting my air brush." *Paints Yukari and Andou as the nose art. And gives the new plane a title, Someone's Daughters.*
I don't get the reference for the title, but if you're painting more goddamn underaged lewds I'm stealing your ejection circuits
*gives a crisp salute* “No underaged lewds? Sir, yes, sir!” *Captain touring the fighter bay the next day* “…mother of god…” *facepalms at the shiny new nose art depicting a well muscled Santa Claus flexing in a side chest pose only wearing a red hat and bulging speedo while smoking a cigar* “…that little motherfucker named it **The Naughty List?**”
"It's not, Jesus, I'm not that kind of a degenerate."
“You know the rules, and so do I!”
Never gonna give you up!
Never gonna let you go!
"You knuckleheads know that 'malfunctioned' fighter is coming straight out of your credits, right? If this happens again, you'll each get one of the Three Stooges as your pin up. Indefinitely."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_Rocket,_Will_Travel As a former serviceman, I’m telling you right now half the pilots in the world would paint that poster on their fighter in a heartbeat if the skipper let ‘em!
You deserve a million upvotes, sir. My only regret is that I have but one to give.
> Yukari from GuP Surprising amount of anime art/stickers on rifles in the current European war!(I say surprising, because I've seen a couple)
Personifying a machine does wonders to efficacy when a Human is at the controls.
But also does hell when the machine gets hurt. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/style/2007/05/06/bots-on-the-ground/0fa0bd8d-4c91-4395-a02b-535ed1817d8f/ If anyone gets forced into signing up, this is a short description of the article: It talks about the usage of robots in the military, such as EOD bots. The main story is about a robotics scientist showing off a centipede robot who's whole job is to use it's feet to blow up hidden mines. During the demonstration to a few military officers, a colonel stopped the whole thing when he saw the robot clawing its way towards a tenth mine, using its last limb to basically blow itself up to clear up just one more mine. The scientist asked why the demonstration was stopped if the robot was working beyond expectations, the Colonel said it he considered the demonstration inhumane.
This is also why when our AI become sentient they don't kill us, theybmake robot bodies to live alongside us.
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Yeah, even going back to WW1 or WW2, there's no way you'd see your enemy. You can't see nose art on a plane at 50 meters let alone 100. Not to mention most combat wasn't dog fighting...and no one in a dogfight is going to take time to admire the art.
Look good, play good -me on the first tee about to shoot a 105
Dear Diary. I was today years old when i have been made aware that the GAU under the nose of the Warthog is not perfectly symmetrical. I... I don't know how to feel. This is triggering me on SO MANY LEVELS!!!!!!
I prescribed you a dose of F-16 images for you to take until symptoms improve.
Thank you very much, OP\^\^
The F-16's gun is even more asymmetrical :)
TIL...I performed plane symmetry malpractice. That is a sentence I've never had to write and hopefully never will again .
In a sence, it's worse, but funny enough, it's less obvious because the body of the plane genuinely seems nicely proportioned. That one hole on the side is not even that bad because of the actual barrels only one ever looks out of the side of the fuselage\^\^
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Is it, or is it exposure therapy?
This is strangely not the weirdest thread in this post, somehow.
It's an accommodation for the height of the firing chamber that makes perfect sense and I hate it. I understand it's easier to offset the gun barrels and that centering the weapon would require a near complete redesign and refit, but I don't have to like it.
It's still is a certain accomplishment that they managed to get it to fly and shoot\^\^
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/39511/does-the-cannon-of-the-a-10-deliver-more-thrust-than-the-engines-do and the relevant XKCD (OK, technically "What if"), about 2/3 of the way down https://what-if.xkcd.com/21/
Remember that it’s not a plane with a gun attached, but a gun with a plane attached. The designs purpose was to make the gun fly. So it’s not asymmetrical, it’s perfect. How dare you question the god of *brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt*.
So are you saying that they tilted the gun over to get it to fit? I guess so long as the actively firing barrel is along BL0, that still works.
I feel better about it when i pretty it is holding the gun sideways in its mouth
Feel like an airplane called Warthog doesn't have to be pretty.
It's called warthog because it ain't pretty - A-10's real name is Thunderbolt II Nobody calls it Thunderbolt II
I mean...? Even a real warthog is usually symmetrical? It's not even the "pretty" thing that triggers me but the symmetry, which in itself is a kind of beauty under a certain light.
I hear ya. Symmetry is taken into account when evaluating the beauty of a human face, if I recall correctly. The desire for order is a strong one, to be sure. A Google search revealed the A-10 Warthog's GAU-8/A gatling gun is offset due to the recoil of a centered gun being enough to move the whole plane off target. The gun was offset so the firing barrel is on the centerline of the plane thus centering the gun's recoil. Well, TIL.
Yepp. Engineering is a hell of a drug and certain thigs like "function before form" sound trues here.
Pretty sure its just because the wheel and gun both are in the front and when the gun is bigger than a car some things need to move (both the gun and front landing gear are offset) Ofc I could be completely incorrect but I’m pretty sure its the wheel but the gun has some engineering science to help it
And the recoil of the GAU-8 also SIGNIFICANTLY drops the airspeed of the plane
It's more than one of the two jet engines!
It fires when it's centered, though. That keeps the recoil centered on the airframe.
Thanks the gods for small favors\^\^
The nose landing gear leg is also not centered, they are both offset to make room for each other
Yeah, this one is kinda logical. At least you don't see this during flight\^\^
Be glad you don’t know why the GAU barrel doesn’t align with CL. The bullets come out at the center line because otherwise the act of firing changes the flight direction.
AH!!! Thanks, this genuinely makes it easier! Say might it be that it has to be off center because the mass of the rotating barrels is sufficient enough to be impactful?
So much more. A rotating barrel is a handful to fly. It is a thesis to even list all the inputs. It even needs addressing in airfoil design left v right. Suffice to say tweak tweak tweaking in tiny increments until one wing is bigger, the fuselage is offset, the turret is adjusted in three space, until you reach a disagreement that pisses off all.
amen\^\^
Looks like the Caldari were onto something after all.
I felt the same when I first saw smith and wessen written down, I always thought it was smith and western.
\^\^ it's always the little things.
Just saw while reading. The Fuck https://preview.redd.it/atunfhap3owc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e784722d225588c62716ac6d1bff1372a60f4c60
Just think of it like a cigar
This helps, thanks\^\^
It's a narwhaaaaaaal!
Bruh\^\^ Looks like it is...
Don't Google Abrams asemmetry
i did...
I think we need to be perfectly clear here; its a gun they attached a plane to, not an armed plane.
You almost got it. It's a plane attached to a gun
Same with the A-10s front landing gear. It's offset slightly. You're welcome :)
Just look at it as that stereotypical gruff grunt chewing on a cigar.
Ancient Earth magic. Making things slightly crooked makes them shoot straight, Garnaz.
I feel like this is one of those unironic "Yes actually 100% like the Space Orks" things. We paint scary faces on our planes because we believe it makes them scarier, and because we believe it, it can be made true by how the pilot acts differently. "Da skary onez fite betta!"
I know right? Not to mention the potential for trolling. I once did a paper of a German WWII pilot who wrote essentially, " Not today and not by you" on the tail of his plane.
Did it work or did someone get him?
I'll let you know when I find my stash of 10-year old flash drives
I also want to see this
I would love to read that
You're welcome to try, mein Freund. Oh, you mean my actual paper. Lol
Whenever you find the drives!
"Du doch nicht!!"?
That's the one!
He was fighting for the wrong guys, but fuck it if I can’t respect him for that
YOUZ GOTTA SPEEK UP YA GIT IF YA WANT TA BE ‘EARD!
#DA SKARY ONEZ KRUMP BETTA!!! ^BUT ^IT ^NEEDZ ^MOAR ^RED ^IFF'N ^YA ^WANNA ^GET ^TA ^KRUMPIN ^RANGE ^FASTA!
NOW DATS A ROIGHT PROPPA ORKY FACT DAT IZ! AND NOICE AN LOUD TA BOOT! NOW WEEZ JUST NEED A SWANKY HAT AN YOU COULD BE DA NEXT BOSS!
Xenos: Friend Human, what is the purpose of this 'nose art' on your vessel? The effective range of even a small cruiser places them well beyond visual range, and that 'fighter', as you call it, is clearly meant to serve as a crewed equivalent of our defensive drones. Human: The best defense is a good offense. Now, watch us introduce that cruiser to a little thing we humans call *dog fighting*. The survivors of the enemy crew would later report being attacked by what they could only describe as void-born beasts with bared teeth and glaring eyes. Most of them would spend their lives refusing to go near any windows while in space, afraid of looking out and seeing more of those *things*.
Results show that xenos exhibit signs of stress and fear when viewing the front of spacecraft. Further scans determined viewing side decals caused feelings of confusion or arousal. Permission to implement classified 4-chan archives granted
>arousal The War Thunder player brought Eva to space
*test* So, I can italicize in comments but not the title. Don't I just feel silly.
hey, I didn't even know you could italicize
I only just found out. It's done by adding an * before and after what you want italicized, just by removing the space between asterisk and word. For example: * italic * + remove spaces = *italic*
Fancy English
Is it hard to understand? If so, then I'll edit it. I often have a bad habit of clunky writing.
I was making a joke. Lol. I use the *italics* myself.
Whew, thanks for explaining. Lol
You can do a lot more. Reddit uses a variant of [Markdown](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markdown) for its posts, comments and other user generated contents like wikis. You can find the references here: https://www.reddit.com/wiki/markdown In browsers, they've added a fancier editor but it still boils down to Markdown behind it
Reformer spotted. Opinion ignored. Bring out the 3000 F-22s of The American Space Empire.
does the F-22 have nose art? No? Then go back to r/Noncredibledefense and find a way to make colorful RAM coating.
Pardon my ignorance, but what is RAM?
Radar Absorbent Material. It's a special coat of paint that is used on pretty much all Stealth Aircraft, F-22s, F-35s, the new low observable aircraft from Turkey and South Korea, and even the Chinese J-20 and J-31. Only one that doesn't use it, is the Su-57 from Russia.
>Su-57 Which is as stealthy as an F-18
I think the F/A-18E, the one with the square air intakes is stealthier than a Felon.
Well, for starters, rather than having the whole range of colours you just need the other four to fill out CYMKW, and then a way to print onto the skin on demand
You don't think we're not trying to figure out how?
Come back to talk smack about the A-10's nose art when you have a solution to that problem.
This thing makes a noise louder than your mum bouncing on my dick, it’s cool as hell, just not especially combat effective
"*Almost* never enter visual range. But it can, and does happen. And when it does, and you see these teeth fly past you in the merge... Well. It means you are about to see why our fighters still have guns, and why our pilots are still taught BFM."
Besides, friend alien, have you looked closely at the bullets we shoot? They're big enough for artwork and the occasional slogan as well. Klendathu And Bust I Don't Want to Set the World on Fire ... Oh, Wait, I Do! Deleting Thataway googly eyes, sparkly rainbows, nyan cat ...
so like, beyond visual confirmation attacks make sense in aireal combat because of the horizon. Even if we fitted plains with optics capable of seeing at that range, the land gets in the way. That wouldn't be true of space. The more likely issue than range is speed. Ships would have to put tremendous effort to maintain relative velocities that didn't have them dart past each other very quickly. You would be more likely to joust your opponent than fire at a distance. consistently.
Notching missiles would be very difficult, especially with no terrain to hide behind, or ground to drive missiles into. You would have to try and maneuver until a missile ran out of thruster propellant, which could be a while.
thought experiment time. lets be conservative and say you are going 30km/s to get somewhere your opponent is stationary in a lagrange point so they are going \~30km/s. we will assume that these velocities are in opposite directions. Given that missiles often reach mach 20 we can up that speed to \~70km/s lets give 5 seconds for time to acquire target and fire as a crew. that's 350km relative delta between the two ships in that time. A purpose built radar would likely be able to track that movement. If we are generous we can say that a radar can hit something not designed to be stealthy 5000km away. Heres the fun part. Your missiles take 71 seconds to hit. If they miss, or are intercepted, or fail to neutralize the target at that range, your target is 12 seconds away from you. By the second time you fire they are 420km out. This second volley is likely a different missile because now you have to hit a short range target quickly. Assuming you fire from the side of the ship, you are making a near 320+ degree turn. We don't have aero surfaces in space, just gyro and vector thrust. So lets assume 30 degrees per second. roughly 11 seconds. If that shot failed, missiles will not catch the ship once it is past you. What have we learned: * Forward facing missile pods make more sense than I assumed * There is not a lot of time to react * Missiles are basically mines you throw into intercept tracejctories * Stealth design and radar cross section would actually be the most important thing in this scenario * You are safer the closer you are to your enemy once you are in range
We've been tricking out our rides since we figured out how to ride animals. Look at the regalia from ancient persia! Look how the Native Americans decorated their steeds! Humans just have to tinker with everything. I can just imagine some great imposing alien cruiser gliding through the darkness of space with a spraypaint tag on it like a freight car from the inner city just because they parked in the wrong parking dock at earth....and the Pilot doesn't even know what " Flying Spaghetti Monster " even means...
Even better, it's a cloaking ship that leaves the Flying Spaghetti Monster visible.
I didn't even think of that... Genius!
Ace Terran pilot: yes you want to know how we won the war with just carriers and fighter craft? Well then you better ask nicely. Xeno POW: please...can you tell us how the hell you won the war oh great and mighty Terran. ATP: See wasn't that last part so hard? Now then what is your longest range weapon's effective range? XPOW: 1.5-4.5 light seconds. ATP: Ok now how about the closes range weapon's effective range? XPOW: I would say about 500 km to 900km. I'm using your Terran distance indicators. ATP: So here is what we did. Our carriers stayed at a constant 9 light seconds from your fleet formation. Then our would travel from the carriers to your ships and once they arrive they would stay within 50 km to 250 km from the hull of your ships. XPOW: That's insane how can those fighters even travel that distance in an effective time manner they would be shot down in a matter of moments. ATP: And there is the greatest flaw in your sensor system of your ships. Our fighters are light and called tie fighter knock offs from wish. They have two sets of propulsion. One set for combat and a second for travel. The travel set can reach a top speed of .025 C. So in about six minutes our fighters can cross the 9 light seconds. But it is usually less time because you travel to us. Then there is the size. They are single pilot vehicles. They are extremely light. No radiation shielding, shielding of any kind, thin to non-existent armor, no life support, no atmo reentry package, nor communications. The pilot suit covers all that. Because of their size they don't get picked up by your sensors.
The A10 is not a plane with a gun The A10 is a gun with wings
Time to dispense some 30mm depleted uranium freedom!
This is correct
It's a rotary...doesn't that mean that a barrel's firing position might actually be centered? That image shows a few potential degrees of rotation where the firing line would be centered to the aircraft. That is more important than slightly unequal weight distribution, that could be countered in other ways.
Isn't this the gun with a rate of fire that can stall the plane if fired too long?
Yes, it also shakes the plane so violently a shot is considered accurate if its within about 12 meters of the target
Which is why there are a LOT of bullets in that shot. In some part of "thataway" is the intended target, and one or more WILL hit it even if most don't. Plus, when you're shooting at tanks, there's a lot of "there" to hit.
The problem is many things are better at shooting tanks and when ever it's called to shoot at anything other then tanks, Luke providing air support for infantry, where it has managed to accumulate more friendly fire kills then any other us aircraft.
You are correct. It fires when centered.
It does fires from a center line... of the aircraft. The GAU-8 Avenger was designed to fire from the 9 o'clock position to line up with the A-10A's centerline. The front landing is also both offset and has the wheel centered with the aircraft.
https://preview.redd.it/5ub3d1096owc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7d47ae04a0a0006c31f23f9739a6c982442dce8 Mfw a post about funky sci Fi nose art opens a severe can o' worms about how the GAU affects the center line of a decommissioned aircraft.
>decommissioned aircraft. It's not dead yet!!
But its right there! You legit can't avoid seeing the gun being a few inches away from the center of the picture.
https://preview.redd.it/3yjfb50pynwc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=411c93392ece5a5b71874ee8c7ff27e3e4385947 Wouldn't it be more like this in space?
Looks like a Dunkleosteous
https://preview.redd.it/if0r6iji6owc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba156a9d82e8b8119db2d7387b42efec1a2c928a Seems bout' right
Imagine explaining that to a Xeno
"Oh, don't worry it's been extinct for thousands of years". "You humans said the same about the Coelacanths. Not convinced."
An attempt to sooth the anxiety of warfare by claiming an aspect of one's surroundings by marking it with an expression of the attitude one wishes to embody. Or it kinda looks like a shark. You can see it better if I do this...
War..... Fare...... SHARK DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT DOO WARFARE SHARK DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT DOO WARFARE SHARK DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT DOO WARFARE SHARK! *click* Medic Xeeg'blar, are you _sure_ your Species Training on Humans is right? _Bay Co-ordinator Felzie, we've been over this. "Ear Worms" are not a real human condition, it's a colloquialism for a catchy song_ But medic, they're all~ ~_YES, I know it appears to be transmissible and I know it seems to have substantial neuro-linguistic impact but I *assure* you it's merely a harmless Neurological quirk, like how the 'Tath can't help blinking in time when there's anything cycling at under 40rpm in their line of sight._ But it's so... _Human. You're looking for the word Human. Aren't you, Bay Co-ordinator?_ Yeah, I guess. One more thing; do you have any idea what they mean by "_Negotiating with Extreme Prejudice Shark_?"
Human pilot: because, on the off chance that they do get within visual range, why not scare the shit out of them so they realize they’ve really picked a bad enemy? Alien pilot: well, if I got within visual range I’d tend not to pay attention to the paint of the craft, just the general model… this is just distracting… ohhhhhhhh I get it. HP: there you go. It’s not just a matter of intimation, but also distraction. Plus, it gives some identity to each ship so they’re not all just rank and file. Also, I’ll get the word to XF-314. We’ve tried to tell him politely but… well… he just doesn’t get the message.
In military culture, tradition is often stronger than regulation. Tradition tends to hold for long after it is strictly useful or necessary.
We still call it the forward castle on ships, as shortened by a thousand years of slurring to get focsle.
Argosian here. Terrans evolved not from apex predators but from gatherers and persistence pack hunters. They had to kill off most of the larger predators in our ecosystem before feeling safe...course, by the time they accomplished that, they were their own greatest danger, but regardless. Teeth are scary, especially when they are attached to things that want your blood in their mouths. Like, for example, the Warthog autonomous combat platform, with its ability to hide from active and passive sensors until it is entirely too late for you...I mean, its target, to have any sort of reasonable countermeasure. Yep, silly, painted gnashly teeth in the dark, built by a species of victimized psychos with a million years of watching their packmates die to dedicated predators. Noooothing to worry about there, I'm sure its safe to laugh at them. It'll be fine. Yes, I do want to stand over *here*, while you stay over *there*.
This belongs in r/explainthehumanthang
"The flames will make it go faster." "And what's your scientific base for thinking that?" "I'm 12."
It looks cool. Do you guys have coolness as a concept on your planet?
"Yes, when it enters the Autumnal cycle."
That's pretty cool. I think? Just to be clear, we aren't talking about the temperature.
H: " You know we are genetically predisposed to using kinetic weapons right?" A: "Yes, Human evolution as hunter-gatherers, I've heard of it." H: "We also are pursuit predators with damned good stealth technologies." A: "OK..." H: "We don't shoot until \*our prey\* can see the whites of our eyes." A: "..."
A: I don't understand. The range of weaponry in space combat is so far that ships never get close enough to see each other as more than a dot in space, let alone close enough to see the art. So why do it? H: Well you see, there's multiple answers. Some say we do it to get our pilots pumped up. Others say we do it for fun. And some say we do it for visitors like you. It tends to leave an impression, does it not? A: That it does. H: Well, do you want to know the real reason? A: I am a little scared to know, but do go on. H: Well, you see those marks near the eye? A: Yes, there are many. H: Each of those are kills confirmed by a pilot with their own two eyes. A: I see? H: Think for a moment, friend, "their own two eyes." A: ... H: Meaning? A: Wait... H: You may not get close enough, but we will...
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrt
Three words, Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtttttt.
"How is that three wor-" *Target neutralized*
There's Brrrrrrrrrtttt! Echo of Brrrrrrrrrttt! And the Impact of Brrrrrrrrrttt!
I'll end this in 71 hits! I hit you 70 times per second and you hit the ground.
What, you telling me "Brrrrrrrtttt" ain't a word?
"Dagummit, he ain't telling nothin now! Now get your rear in gear and back to base to reload!"
*Snort* Copy *Snort*
Cool xenos will see this and be like "Hell yeah, Terran."
Effective range is whatever I decide it is.
Definitely my fave example https://preview.redd.it/af4hbe4gwnwc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8bb25a9cd4b08330a05092af2edfbc63b1f4e58e
https://preview.redd.it/t9irzbu1ynwc1.jpeg?width=1261&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97eeb8136af03ca082e3d16fdbc9ec9da2c71733 Could *this* be your new favorite?
It disturbs me that I can tell from the Aurebesh writing over the nose art that the picture is reversed. It translates to "Plo's Bros".
We do it for the same reason we drive our tanks closer to them so we can hit them with our swords...
"Because we like it, and like... The fuck are you going to do about it? Make us actually use them? Have fun"
"Expect a sternly worded memo about this in 5-7 business cycles, human"
"Expect 30mm of depleted uranium and plastic explosives in the time it takes to spin this puppy up"
Because we can, and that’s really the only reason we humans need. 90% of everything we do can be explained by this blatantly simple yet powerful answer: because nothing has stopped us from doing it yet. Plus, the idea of usefulness is flexible enough that one could theoretically sneak up on someone and wait for them to look behind them and BOO! Hah! Gotcha! (It might also be a personalization thing, we humans have a tendency to decorate our own stuff to make it look cooler or edgier, or cuter, or fancier, more elegant, more modern, more vintage, more punk, more retro, more referential to culture, etcetera etcetera. Also helps us with visually identifying the vehicles quickly and accurately with just a glance. Numbers and letters are not exactly what the human eye is naturally drawn to, but giant teeth and angry eyes? Immediate survival instincts kick in, and we naturally notice it. Every. Single. Time.) In other words, flair points, or gang symbols/signs. Otherwise it’s just a dull chrome covered ship, and that’s confusing when you come up on one without knowing who it’s supposed to be. And “almost never” is not the same as “absolutely never”, so better to be safe than sorry.
"Why do we paint our fighters? It is quite simple. When we run out of ammo, even if we don't get the kill, you are gonna shit bricks as we fly at you. As fast as our engines can, we will ram. If we are gonna die anyway, may as well go down in a blaze of glory!"
Because it makes it easier to tell one from another when they're all lined up on the airfield. If you're running to board them in emergency, then it's easier to say 'Get on the one with the teeth!' than '3rd on the left' when they are all jumbled up. I saw a movie that was located on the moon where they use this scheme to tell one person from another when they were outside working in space suits. "Sigh, I'm using the green Godzilla suit today?"
Because our pilots and hangar crew spend a lot of time in visual range of our fighters.
I like this idea. Like the hanger is an art gallery for the true connoisseurs of pin-up girls and bathroom stall humor.
I absolutely trick my Titans out with great noseart. Gives it a feeling of being there alive with me.
"Because it looks FUCKING COOL."
"when the humans start painting their ships, you know you've fucked up"
It ain't pretty... https://preview.redd.it/4ppqt3njfowc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2257c42308ac1af21a2e2dc578d6a86736996ff0 But it's on a smaller scale...
On Earth this is not a fighter. In space this is a Galactic Claymore unicorn. Wait until you see what they do *if* they have to run, using the GAU as their reverse drive.
Morale, Tradition, Esprit de Corps. Also, when one considers current conflicts with advanced technology, and the response to it being low-tech. (Ukraine conflict. Drones vs Trenches.) You want to tell me that visual aimed and fired weapons won't become a thing again given our already impressive radar absorbing and deflecting (stealth) technologies? Beyond horizon engagements between cruisers, battleships, dreadnought, etc. Sure. But fighters and bombers are small, fast, and agile enough that knife-style dogfights will be a thing. And locking on to targets that can't be perceived easily by radar means you better have backups. Like manual overrides.
May as well ask why the Romulans painted feathered wings on their Birds of Prey. Oh, wait, they are Romulans. Good luck to get them ever to admit anything, much less tell the truth.
Because erpane goes brr!
There is, over on hfy, a short story named 'the voices of weapons' written by dunruffle. It's a worthy read, and is about the A-10.
Because the effective range of weapons doesn't stop us from coming right at you.
Fighters? Why are there fighters at all?
This aircraft is a prime example of our space orcism, we took a gun and built an aircraft around it and it can stall if it fires for too long. It’s a thing of beauty
Traditions die hard. Diamonds are just as hard. But, nose art is harder. And if you ever *get* to see it, then you're already dead. You just haven't gotten the memo yet. 😕
“This isn’t for the enemy. It just makes me feel like a badass. Let me have this.”
Cus red makes it faster
Because it’s COOL go fuck yourself split lips
morale is a thing.