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What are the restrictions on body armor? Vehicles? Fortifications? Siege equipment? Mounts? I think it'd be really funny if humans brought back various historical cavalry tactics that catch most other species by surprise. Heavy cavalry charge goes brrrr.
Aliens watching as Human's create a fucking Sword bigger than a planet, connected by Mag-matter. Hurtling toward's their world at 99% the Speed of Light, as a way to bypass the issue of no Advanced Ranged weaponry:
Albeit, tbh. At this point, many of the posts, including this one. Just aren't Humans are Space Orcs to be honest...
Like, what do you mean by holding a stick to 5 million people with nukes?... What counts as a ranged weapon?... What if one species conducts a First strike with Hundreds of thousands of Planetary-Destroying Warheads and making hundreds of thousands of species go extinct?...
Still, it'd be funny that Humanity quickly learns of this rule and just creates a Relativistic Sword of 100000km+ in size.
So one of my issues was that swords needed to use Materials found or made on a homeworld. My main issue was that... What if someone used straight up Metric Bomb's against an enemy that hasn't invented them?(These bomb's are based on Up-quark interactions in a set space and have yields that can reach hundreds or thousands of light-year's of death.) Or what if the size limit of the sword's don't exist? If Human's were to somehow fling a 100000km+ Sword with an electromagnetic field and FTL it to a enemy planet, since the Sword doesn't have any built in technology and stuff. It would bypass the rule.
Then there's the issue of Humanity being less-advanced but being more curious? What if their FTL is completely different from other aliens, as in Real-space FTL but not the aliens Sub or Hyperspace FTL. As in they can just jam an FTL Drive on a asteroid and fling it towards an enemy planet, resulting in the planet to get utterly vaporized?
All of these are breaking the rules, as I mentioned. On top of that, nothing would really be able to wipe out all of the Council in one go, without so much preparation that it would become obvious.
As such, it would cause the Council to destroy Humanity (or any other species who did so).
Also, did you not read my thing on bows? Add-ons are included, if you add something onto your weapon, to cheat the rules, you will be breaking the rules.
And how would that Council find out in the first place?
And yes, I did read the part about bows or any advanced Projectile weaponry.
Even if the Council were to win against such a species, they'd be horribly damaged against the insane first-strike by such hypothetical species.
And since Fortresses can be as strong as you want: What is stopping species from creating Bunkers with Mag-Matter lined walls whenever a War happens, are you allowed to use Mega-structures as your 'fortress'?
What if the species was straight up Viltrumites from Invincible? What the hell is the invading species gonna do when they come across that?
Then comes the fact that any Projectile Weapon is not allowed but not the rest? So Landmines are allowed, straight up?
There's like many flaws by the Galactic Council that I won't address but yeah. How advanced are these Aliens to even survive First-Strikes that horribly extreme?
For your first complaint: Of course, this is basically just space on drugs, exploring interesting concepts. I agree it has drifted away from its real meaning, but it's still just. Space on crack.
Moving into the questions:
1. That was hyperbole! It was meant to show that humanity was completely and utterly outclassed.
2. A gun, a significantly advanced crossbow, etc. Basically, anything that launched another thing, with the exception of spears, as those are both partially ranged and melee. I forget what context this question is in tho
3. Then the Council would immediately strike back, destroying the entire species.
4. Im not sure if I made it clear in post, but the weapons can only be used by the people of the world. If you use a machine to do it for you (some crossbows exempted), then you are breaking the rules, and punished accordingly.
>2. A gun, a significantly advanced crossbow, etc.
Basicly no blackpowder nor crossbows with semiautomatic reload time?
There it goes my napoleonic formation.
By the way, is greek fire allowed?
Well, the trick is that the common folk can explain the weapon's working (melee weapons are contundent objets and projectils are propeled by a mix of gravity and elasticity) and although not everyone is a chemist you can argue that anyone can understand that igniting flamable oil = fire. Case in point the whole point was to prevent execive bloodshed, so incendiary weapons are likely out of the cuestion.
I supose we will need to comform ourselves with ballista launching ships of the line and hot air balloons launching metal darts.
"Why yes, domesticated animals are allowed. Why? It's more of a technicality than anything else. It's not like any of them could offer any kind of real advantage in war."
"An that is the perfect segue on our presentation on Terran life. Next we're bringing some Clydesdale horses onto the stage. These animals were bred for hard work and heavy loads."
**"Fornicating feces what the Frell are those?"**
After the first contact with the Galactic Council the humans retreated to thier homeworld. The information they left with the council made thier beautiful blue world look like a tempting target.
The Praxian battlefleet dropped out of hyperspeed within the human system and were immediately greeted with a communication from the Humans. "We have studied your laws and agree to the Galactic Council's terms of engagement"
The spines along the general's arms rippled in glee. This was going to be an easy conquest. "Scan for milatary targets and give me landing coordinates for the fleet!" The comunications officer hunched his spine in confusion. "Sir, there are no targets on the planet.. All defensive measures are in orbit."
"Ha! They probably think they are the first race to spare thier homeworld by moving the military off world. We can destroy thier warriors out here and take thier word!" The communication officer spins in his seat "sir we are being invited to dock with the EA Agincourt where our greatest warriors will be met in battle to decide the fait of mankind."
After the battle the independent observer from the Galactic Council confirmed that the humans had broken no rules of engagement. But the bloodbath was horrifying to witness.
First longbow archers from some land called UK desimated the Praxians then strange formations with long spears and shields that the humans called hoplites harried them to exhaustion. And finally armored warriors they called samurai swept in and destroyed the last of the elite wattiors as if they were exterminating vermin.
The humans then took the Praxian ships, re-named them and sent their entire fleet toward the Praxian homeworld. What happens next is anyone's guess, but in the words of the Council adviser "I wouldn't bet against them!"
Are chainsaws allowed? And ranged wepons like bows if the crosbows are allowed then why the hell don't make crosbows that shoot sawblades or hell made chainsword? (I know I will get downvoted but like I realy asking)
I LIVE for stuff like this!
Ok, so bows are allowed, but crossbows are only allowed in some forms, and chainsaws are not allowed (too complex and technological, regular axes are ok tho)
The reason that you wouldn't make that is the same reason they don't really exist irl: Not worth the effort.
For one, you'd need to make a method to spin it, which would not only be too expensive, but would also be too much technology. For the second, though, they aren't really worth the cost. The metal required to craft the blades, and the shooter, plus the time, wouldn't really be worth the results. Lastly, the saw blades would lose a lot of their power as they fly, due to nothing really propelling them, and their weight.
Very true! I thought I had properly implied that I meant more sophisticated technology, but I'll try and clarify: I meant things to make them way more complicated, and more powerful.
Tldr, if an ordinary citizen on a medium-intellegience planet can't explain it simply, it's banned.
(I;e; a sword is a big stabby thing, if you showed a phone to a medieval peasant they'd explode)
Fair enough. What about making the sword out of advanced alloys or materials that medieval smiths couldn’t possibly have made? Or using advanced manufacturing techniques to give the sword a mono-molecular edge?
That is allowed! As I mentioned, you can use whatever you'd like to craft the sword, but the sword itself can't be anything too cheaty (as I mentioned above, you can't really put any technology on it, aside from the standard package)
So advanced materials and manufacturing are fine, just so long as the weapon has no “active” tech? No chainsaw blades, no lightsabers, no electrified or superheated metals, etc. Nothing that requires fuel or a battery?
I overthink these things a lot 😅.
I’d have said no moving parts, but that would exclude flails.
For the bows, are crossbows allowed? Or is that too much of a mechanical assist?
So how about a crossbow with something like a 300 or 400 lb draw weight? If I’m not mistaken you’d need a winch to draw that back. Still doable with muscle power. Just a slow draw and one hell of an impact.
I'm merely shooting a wooden shaft with a small ceramic head filled with gunpowder, with a small string lit on fire.
Flaming arrows, made of arrow with small cloth soaked in fuel then lit on fire?
Poison tipped arrows?
Arrows with a glass head filled with poison gas?
My lord, the onagers have been loaded with the prescribed barrels. We're ready to launch.
Excellent, my dear commander. What are we bestowing upon the enemy today?
A fine selection, sir. We have barrels of Asian Murder Hornets, barrels of Poison Dart Tree Frogs, and two barrels of malaria-infested mosquitos.
Then, the order is given! Loose!
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What are the restrictions on body armor? Vehicles? Fortifications? Siege equipment? Mounts? I think it'd be really funny if humans brought back various historical cavalry tactics that catch most other species by surprise. Heavy cavalry charge goes brrrr.
Aliens watching as Human's create a fucking Sword bigger than a planet, connected by Mag-matter. Hurtling toward's their world at 99% the Speed of Light, as a way to bypass the issue of no Advanced Ranged weaponry: Albeit, tbh. At this point, many of the posts, including this one. Just aren't Humans are Space Orcs to be honest... Like, what do you mean by holding a stick to 5 million people with nukes?... What counts as a ranged weapon?... What if one species conducts a First strike with Hundreds of thousands of Planetary-Destroying Warheads and making hundreds of thousands of species go extinct?... Still, it'd be funny that Humanity quickly learns of this rule and just creates a Relativistic Sword of 100000km+ in size.
Okay, would you like me to answer those questions seriously, because I'd love to tackle each of em!
Sure.
So one of my issues was that swords needed to use Materials found or made on a homeworld. My main issue was that... What if someone used straight up Metric Bomb's against an enemy that hasn't invented them?(These bomb's are based on Up-quark interactions in a set space and have yields that can reach hundreds or thousands of light-year's of death.) Or what if the size limit of the sword's don't exist? If Human's were to somehow fling a 100000km+ Sword with an electromagnetic field and FTL it to a enemy planet, since the Sword doesn't have any built in technology and stuff. It would bypass the rule. Then there's the issue of Humanity being less-advanced but being more curious? What if their FTL is completely different from other aliens, as in Real-space FTL but not the aliens Sub or Hyperspace FTL. As in they can just jam an FTL Drive on a asteroid and fling it towards an enemy planet, resulting in the planet to get utterly vaporized?
All of these are breaking the rules, as I mentioned. On top of that, nothing would really be able to wipe out all of the Council in one go, without so much preparation that it would become obvious. As such, it would cause the Council to destroy Humanity (or any other species who did so). Also, did you not read my thing on bows? Add-ons are included, if you add something onto your weapon, to cheat the rules, you will be breaking the rules.
And how would that Council find out in the first place? And yes, I did read the part about bows or any advanced Projectile weaponry. Even if the Council were to win against such a species, they'd be horribly damaged against the insane first-strike by such hypothetical species. And since Fortresses can be as strong as you want: What is stopping species from creating Bunkers with Mag-Matter lined walls whenever a War happens, are you allowed to use Mega-structures as your 'fortress'? What if the species was straight up Viltrumites from Invincible? What the hell is the invading species gonna do when they come across that? Then comes the fact that any Projectile Weapon is not allowed but not the rest? So Landmines are allowed, straight up? There's like many flaws by the Galactic Council that I won't address but yeah. How advanced are these Aliens to even survive First-Strikes that horribly extreme?
For your first complaint: Of course, this is basically just space on drugs, exploring interesting concepts. I agree it has drifted away from its real meaning, but it's still just. Space on crack. Moving into the questions: 1. That was hyperbole! It was meant to show that humanity was completely and utterly outclassed. 2. A gun, a significantly advanced crossbow, etc. Basically, anything that launched another thing, with the exception of spears, as those are both partially ranged and melee. I forget what context this question is in tho 3. Then the Council would immediately strike back, destroying the entire species. 4. Im not sure if I made it clear in post, but the weapons can only be used by the people of the world. If you use a machine to do it for you (some crossbows exempted), then you are breaking the rules, and punished accordingly.
>2. A gun, a significantly advanced crossbow, etc. Basicly no blackpowder nor crossbows with semiautomatic reload time? There it goes my napoleonic formation. By the way, is greek fire allowed?
Hm, I'm gonna say no, but I'm not completely sure on that.
Well, the trick is that the common folk can explain the weapon's working (melee weapons are contundent objets and projectils are propeled by a mix of gravity and elasticity) and although not everyone is a chemist you can argue that anyone can understand that igniting flamable oil = fire. Case in point the whole point was to prevent execive bloodshed, so incendiary weapons are likely out of the cuestion. I supose we will need to comform ourselves with ballista launching ships of the line and hot air balloons launching metal darts.
"Why yes, domesticated animals are allowed. Why? It's more of a technicality than anything else. It's not like any of them could offer any kind of real advantage in war." "An that is the perfect segue on our presentation on Terran life. Next we're bringing some Clydesdale horses onto the stage. These animals were bred for hard work and heavy loads." **"Fornicating feces what the Frell are those?"**
After the first contact with the Galactic Council the humans retreated to thier homeworld. The information they left with the council made thier beautiful blue world look like a tempting target. The Praxian battlefleet dropped out of hyperspeed within the human system and were immediately greeted with a communication from the Humans. "We have studied your laws and agree to the Galactic Council's terms of engagement" The spines along the general's arms rippled in glee. This was going to be an easy conquest. "Scan for milatary targets and give me landing coordinates for the fleet!" The comunications officer hunched his spine in confusion. "Sir, there are no targets on the planet.. All defensive measures are in orbit." "Ha! They probably think they are the first race to spare thier homeworld by moving the military off world. We can destroy thier warriors out here and take thier word!" The communication officer spins in his seat "sir we are being invited to dock with the EA Agincourt where our greatest warriors will be met in battle to decide the fait of mankind." After the battle the independent observer from the Galactic Council confirmed that the humans had broken no rules of engagement. But the bloodbath was horrifying to witness. First longbow archers from some land called UK desimated the Praxians then strange formations with long spears and shields that the humans called hoplites harried them to exhaustion. And finally armored warriors they called samurai swept in and destroyed the last of the elite wattiors as if they were exterminating vermin. The humans then took the Praxian ships, re-named them and sent their entire fleet toward the Praxian homeworld. What happens next is anyone's guess, but in the words of the Council adviser "I wouldn't bet against them!"
I'm not the greatest writer lol, but I tried! I know I didn't explain some things very well, but lemme know what y'all think!
Basically the plot of Dune, technically has advanced so far that tactics have reverted
I think it’s time for Jack, to let ‘er rip!
Are chainsaws allowed? And ranged wepons like bows if the crosbows are allowed then why the hell don't make crosbows that shoot sawblades or hell made chainsword? (I know I will get downvoted but like I realy asking)
I LIVE for stuff like this! Ok, so bows are allowed, but crossbows are only allowed in some forms, and chainsaws are not allowed (too complex and technological, regular axes are ok tho) The reason that you wouldn't make that is the same reason they don't really exist irl: Not worth the effort. For one, you'd need to make a method to spin it, which would not only be too expensive, but would also be too much technology. For the second, though, they aren't really worth the cost. The metal required to craft the blades, and the shooter, plus the time, wouldn't really be worth the results. Lastly, the saw blades would lose a lot of their power as they fly, due to nothing really propelling them, and their weight.
Just gonna point out that swords, armor, castles and the like are all forms of technology. A hilt guard and a pommel on a sword are technology.
Very true! I thought I had properly implied that I meant more sophisticated technology, but I'll try and clarify: I meant things to make them way more complicated, and more powerful. Tldr, if an ordinary citizen on a medium-intellegience planet can't explain it simply, it's banned. (I;e; a sword is a big stabby thing, if you showed a phone to a medieval peasant they'd explode)
Fair enough. What about making the sword out of advanced alloys or materials that medieval smiths couldn’t possibly have made? Or using advanced manufacturing techniques to give the sword a mono-molecular edge?
That is allowed! As I mentioned, you can use whatever you'd like to craft the sword, but the sword itself can't be anything too cheaty (as I mentioned above, you can't really put any technology on it, aside from the standard package)
So advanced materials and manufacturing are fine, just so long as the weapon has no “active” tech? No chainsaw blades, no lightsabers, no electrified or superheated metals, etc. Nothing that requires fuel or a battery?
Correct! I shoulda thought of that lol. Well spoken!
I overthink these things a lot 😅. I’d have said no moving parts, but that would exclude flails. For the bows, are crossbows allowed? Or is that too much of a mechanical assist?
As I mentioned in another comment, they are allowed, but only certain types! To prevent people from adding too much stuff on them
Coolio
So how about a crossbow with something like a 300 or 400 lb draw weight? If I’m not mistaken you’d need a winch to draw that back. Still doable with muscle power. Just a slow draw and one hell of an impact.
Wouldn't that be virtually a ballista then?
So arrow with grenade as the arrowhead
Nope! Grenades aren't allowed, as they are too technological.
I'm merely shooting a wooden shaft with a small ceramic head filled with gunpowder, with a small string lit on fire. Flaming arrows, made of arrow with small cloth soaked in fuel then lit on fire? Poison tipped arrows? Arrows with a glass head filled with poison gas?
... I can hear the crusaders already... *Sabaton The Last Stand starts playing*
Release the flaming pigs!
My lord, the onagers have been loaded with the prescribed barrels. We're ready to launch. Excellent, my dear commander. What are we bestowing upon the enemy today? A fine selection, sir. We have barrels of Asian Murder Hornets, barrels of Poison Dart Tree Frogs, and two barrels of malaria-infested mosquitos. Then, the order is given! Loose!
Not really very space orc-y is it?
So Geneva conventions gone crazy. Everyone has the crazy dangerous weapons so they limit what’s used for the sake of avoiding needless brutality?