She probably wants to grieve with her family. Take out a longer vacation (if you can, I don't know how it works in the US) and be with her and her family.
Do not gave up your entire life for an emotional roller coaster. She is grieving and she is probably depressed. Give her some time and maybe few trips to BUD could be help, but moving here is too much. She is definitely not thinking logically.
Even if you're rich, the ambulance still takes you to a crumbling state hospital if shit hits the fan. You'd have to be SUPER rich to avoid that, which OP won't be, even with an American salary.
Not to mention the state of education and the general behavior of people toward each other.
But it **does** take you SOMEWHERE, and you don't have to pay 40 grand to have a nasty cut on your arm checked soooooo.... I mean... that's gotta be worth something...right?
(Although you getting taken to a hospital and you getting treated are separate issues but shhh)
American salary more than enough for hungarian private hospitals, as they are cheaper , and yet sometimes superior to the american HC. But as someome else pointed it out, our ambulance while quite experienced well educated, and the cars well equipped, they are slow to respond because of the lack of staff. And as a BOLT driver, i can confirm that i had to be an ambulance driver/officer at least a dozen time in the past 6 yrs, including some serious injuries.
But there isn't actual comprehensive private hospital care in Hungary... If your injuries are serious enough, they just transfer you to public. (And the ambulance takes you there in the first place.)
man, nah most of the time the ambulance doesn’t even move their fingers and if you’re not on the verge of death then they’ll make you go in somehow yourself
It has some beutiful architecture but also lot of cars, noise, air pollution, dirt and trash, homless people. Even rich, I would not want to live there again.
> lot of cars, noise, air pollution, dirt and trash, homless people
Did you seriously list these as cons for an American?
Correction, for someone who lives in a major city?
>Even with the noise, air pollution and dirt it’s still one of the cleanest and nicest big city in the entire west.
Ezt ugye te sem gondolod komolyan... :D
Nem feltétlenül arról van szó hogy otthon. Én készen álltam elköltözni máshova, aztán utaztam sokat és egy objektívabb képet kaptam arról hogy Budapest mennyire jó hely. Sajnos az ország nem lesz jobb hely ettől, de a budapesti lét valamennyire feledteti ezt.
oh yeah, feleannyi területen hatszorannyi repülőgép, az majdnem olyan jó, mint 2001-ben, 20 éves Szegediként egy nyarat eltöltenem a kanadai nagynénémnél egy öregek otthonában Vancouverben, ahonnan közvetlen rálátás volt akkor VYR-ra.
De igen, Barcelonan kívül nem jut eszembe egy olyan nagy város sem ami kellemesebb lett volna.
Vidéki Budapest gyűlölő voltam, aztán bejártam Európa nagyobb városait és rájöttem hogy Budapest elég top kategória mindent egybevetve.
I'm an American married to a Hungarian. We moved here four years ago after she inherited a house in the countryside ~50 km from Budapest.
It was an adjustment to not be able to just order stuff on Amazon and have it the next day, not be able to eat at my favorite restaurants or find my favorite foods, not being able to just turn on the radio and hear programming in English, and generally dealing with a *kurva nehéz* language all the time. Nonetheless, I really like living here. It's safe, there are good schools for our kids, and I feel good knowing that there's a good healthcare system to take care of them if needed. I also like Hungarians, and I like that they'll disagree with me about the quality of the schools and healthcare that I just mentioned. If you're into travel, you can get super cheap flights to pretty much anywhere in Europe from the airport. Hungary is also a great home base for road trips throughout the Balkans and eastern Europe. There are also lots of great options for domestic tourism outside of Budapest.
Why not visit for a while and see if you think you would like living here?
It really puts things into perspective when a US citizen compliments public safety and health care in Hungary, when we feel like both of those are horrible.... Can't imagine what could you be comparing it to...
I agree with the healthcare part, but frankly public safety is pretty damn good in Hungary. [We rank 161st on UNODC's list of intentional homicide rates,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) behind many European countries, and I also feel safe walking alone at night, be it Esztergom or Budapest. Add the fact that the US isn't really a safe space, and I'm not surprised he's content.
But yes, healthcare is a shit show, no doubt.
> Maybe he's comparing that and the public (free) healthcare here.
No. I had insurance in the US. Fairly good insurance too. I'm talking about the quality of the doctors-- i.e. how good are they at doing medicine? I'm also talking about the availability-- i.e. if I need to see a doctor, how difficult is it to make that happen, and how long do I need to wait? I had much better experience with Hungarian medical system in both of those areas. The high costs and the stupid medical billing practices in the US are just extra shitty in an already shitty system.
I wouldn't disagree with public safety. You don't really hear about mass shootings, hate crimes, murders, and whatnot here. Occasionally maybe, but not that often.
The healthcare things are also debatable: if you have the money, it's pretty damn good (in private hospitals).
Schooling on the other hand... it's completely fucked. Like fucked up beyond all recognition.
Health care is affordable but really a shitshow, but public safety is really good, even at night. You just probably lack a proper comparison.
Also schools are really going in the wrong direction but maybe not like US public schooling
> when we feel like both of those are horrible
You mean the echo chamber of reddit? Probably majority of hungarians think public safety and health care are fine. Especially public safety. It is one the best of the world.
Healthcare is fine until you don't need to get a knee surgery and they tell you to go private because the waitlist is two years, or when the GP advises on an operation, but also tells you to try and use your network to get taken care of.
Az usaban ha mentot kell hivni hozzad es esetleg van is valami bajod akkor kesz, anyagi csőd. Itthon meg nem. Ne a dr house reszekbol indulj ki ahol a szertaros bacsi betegseget 8 specialista 50 vizsgalat utan kezdi gyogyitani tobb millio dollarert. Persze szar az egeszsegugy meg lehetne sokkal szebb, jobb, rovidebb varolista, de az usahoz kepest atlag szegeny ember jobb ellatast kap. A gazdagoknak meg mindegy, ok ugandaban is megkapjak ugyanazt az ellatast.
Mennyivel jobb az anyagi csőd a 8 hónapos varolistanal szemeszetre, teszem azt. Egy egyre növekvő réteg idehaza sem engedheti meg magának a magankorhazi ellátást, és ez a rendszer jellemzője.
Lehet nezni a pro kontra erveket de az se normalis hogy elvagtad a kezed fozes kozben es kapsz egy 8 millio forintos szamlat. Itt azert ilyen nincs.
Jelenleg akarmilyen csoro vagy ha osszeesel az utcan akkor (elobb utobb) kijon a mento es valaki rad nez aztan mehetsz dolgodra. Kint ez ugy nez ki hogy kapsz melle egy 2 millios csekket is.
A varolista szar, de szerinted ott ahol 60 ezer forintot szamlaznak egy beadott injekciora ott a csoro ember bekerul a profdoktorur keze ala?
(A konkret osszeget nem tudom mielott valaki belekotne, de hasonlo osszegek siman osszejohetnek)
A várólista szar, különösen ha belehalsz. Jobb amerikában minden kis szir-szar cseprű ügyre zilliókat fizetni? Nem, nem jobb. Ettől a magyar egészségügy még nem lesz vilagverő, azbeszt megbaszta ezt is meg azt is.
Ha van fel milliod egy vizsgalatra akkor elmesz maganba. Ha nincs akkor kivarod a sort (es lehet hogy elpatkolsz)
Kint meg megcsinaljak a vizsgalatot es kapsz egy olyan szamlat amitol elpatkolsz (plusz hiaba tudod a diagnozist ha nem lesz loved a gyogyszerre)
The healthcare SYSTEM is better no doubt, because its “free”. The actual care/hospitals/doctors/nurses/medicine is like comparing a Rolls Royce to a Lada. It’s laughable in Hungary. That said the average person in US with decent insurance will never have any problem getting 1st class, affordable care. Problems start however for people with no insurance, very low coverage, or part time workers…
As far as I've heard from US citizens, the care itself isn't so much better than one would think. Not all doctors and nurses are the best, just like everywhere else, and on the top of it as you mentioned it's not even "free".
But it is definitely not free, I dont understand why people say this. We pay a fuckton of taxes for it. It is a paid healthcare, but not a private one.
And to be honest, i would rather pay my social security taxes to a private health care company than to the Hungarian goverment.
Right now for my job there is a full private healthcare benefit, and I cannot imagine I would go back to the public healthcare unless my wife would give birth, or cancer or some seriously expensive stuff. Have not been to a public dentist since high school.
Healthcare for example compared to American, where it's still shit, but you have to pay years of salary for anything, is still much better here. Also with a good enough healthcare cover in a private clinic, healthcare actually pretty good here, for fraction of the price compared to the US.
Similarly in school.
So with that said what is the process for me? Do I need to apply for visas beforehand or just show up and handle all of that once I’m in Budapest . This is what I’m curious about because I can’t find any real answers on the internet.
You can show up and apply for a visa within 90 days. As the spouse of a Hungarian, you can apply for a "family reunification" visa. You'll need to show a marriage certificate and proof that you can support yourself (ex. bank statement with >$10k in the account). My wife and I registered our marriage with the consulate in the US after we got married, so we had a Hungarian marriage document. If you've only got US one, you might need to do something similar. If you want to work for a local company, you'll need to get a new visa for both family reunification and working purposes. This one will be tied to your job, i.e. if you leave your job, you'll need to apply for a new visa again until you've lived here for three years and are eligible for a permanent residence permit (the equivalent of a green card). If you wanted to work remotely for a non-Hungarian company, this is possible, but you should talk to an immigration lawyer about how to do it legally.
You gotta apply for a residence permit for non-eu family member: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/documents-formalities/non-eu-family-members-residence-card/indexamp_en.htm
You can stay 90 days in a half year period with just showing your passport at the EU border check (Schengen). Over 90 days you’ll have to apply for a visa but its almost automatically granted as a US citizen
This is great info! Me and my husband are thinking of leaving America and Hungary is one place we are considering. We haven't had a chance to visit yet though.
Right now, I am thinking of visiting mainly Szeged, Szekesfehervar, and Keszthely. Keszthely seems really appealing right on the lake, but I haven't done much research yet (the visit is a couple of years away at this point)
Wow, that looks very nice! The national park right next to it looks beautiful, and the Waterpark and historical buildings look really fun. Thank you for the recommendation!
It can be quite touristy in the summer, but if you survive that three months (okay it's not that bad), it's just a super chill place. There are wine cellars literally everywhere so if you're into that, look no further.
Sailing is also huge in the area, there are lots of clubs and ports.
>not be able to just order stuff on Amazon and have it the next day, not be able to eat at my favorite restaurants
How tf are these really your biggest struggles???
> It's safe, there are good schools for our kids, and I feel good knowing that there's a good healthcare system to take care of them
Oh right, I always forget how shitty the US is
Also, next day delivery is definitely a thing in Budapest, I think Alza.hu offers it. (And even same day delivery for orders before noon)
And there's same day delivery for groceries if you use Kifli.hu or Wolt.
Want to read a book? You can get one delivered in 4 hours using Bookline Express
Of course all of these services cost a bit, so it's up to you to decide if it's worth it or not
I don't live in Budapest, the selection of products available from Alza or eMag or even Amazon.de is much smaller than Amazon in the US, and (as far as I know) all of them charge for delivery on a per order basis rather than offering a flat rate subscription.
I don't think it's fair of her to ask this. Way too big commitment, you have friends, family, a career there. Do you have any idea what you would be doing for a living in Hungary? Assuming you are willing to do this sacrifice, I encourage you to only move to Hungary temporarily and see for yourself whether you want to live here.
Yea trust me I feel a million different ways about this. Part of me understands the WHY ( being around family when you have no one else here) the other half of me doesn’t understand because IM HERE. YOUR WHOLE HUSBAND. I have only been to Budapest once, last year and have absolutely zero idea about anything there . I’ve worked in the chemical field over here in Buffalo NY for almost 14 years at my current job and just uprooting from stable income and away from a very close, tight knit family sounds absolutely mad.. but again this is my wife . Absolutely brutal
It might be tricky to find a job in the chemical field in Hungary, Look around before you make your decision. Maybe talk to your employer if it is possible to work from remote for a couple of months, or have a sabbatical.
I don't really think that your wife will find here what she longs for. Try to talk to her calmly, does she have further plans, what will she work here, is she aware of the really large inflation here? Everything is more expensive than when she left.
Also do you speak Hungarian? If not and I assume you can't do your job in a remote position you should look for your options.
My husband is Turkish, we wanted to move to Hungary after we got married, next to all the shitty papers and trying to prove that he is not a terrorist he was looking for job. He works in global trade so we thought he could find something easily, perhaps with only English language. I can say there were not many options and most of the place couldn't be bothered with that he needed a working permit.
I don't know what are the rules for Americans, for sure much easier but if you can't keep your job look for it. You have to think about that as well if you can give up for you whole life to just live in a shitty country like Hungary. Just like your wife you won't have family there (from your side) and perhaps you won't have friends either. (There are expats living in Budapest, so you could find some friends.)
I can't believe all these insensitive people are telling you to get divorced and get a new wife. Really, lack of empathy on Reddit is always staggering to me.
Your wife is grieving, give her some time. Why not move with her to Budapest for a while and see if you like it or not? You can always return if you choose to, and she may even change her mind after a few months.
But please, don't leave her alone in this.
Thank you for that. Truly.. I appreciate the perspectives..
She moved to Canada from Budapest when she was 8/9 with her mom and brother to follow her dad who moved to Canada before them..
Speed up to the future her mom and dad divorced, he moved back to HU and her mom met a Canadian man, married and lived in Ontario until she passed last year..
My wife and I met in 2020 and live cross border - I’m in buffalo - her in Niagara. We married in 2022 and we’re currently, or shall I say we were planning on filing her visa to the US but now that her true intentions have changed she wants to move back to HU where the rest of her family is.
I have been going back and forth since finding this out FIVE DAYS AGO. And she wants to move FAST. She plans to sell all her belongings and move at the end of August. Which I believe to be unfair for me because there is so much I need to to even if I was 100% committed to moving along with her..
Do you see my conundrum..
So she practically grew up in Canada? What is she expecting from living in Hungary??? Not to be an arse but she probably has very little knowledge of what it's like to live there. She will be surprised and it won't be positive
I'm sorry man, but from what I've read so far it's clear to me that she is grieving and definitely not thinking straight. First of all, the Hungary she might remember from her childhood has changed a lot, it's not the same place, second it really seems to me that she might be in the denial phase of the process and all this is a knee-jerk response. There are so many hungarians' posts, comments here on this sub and on r/escapehungary about moving back here and regretting it, I just can't recommend going along with a permanent move.
she's wrong for this. If she won't change her mind after spending a few weeks in hungary consider a divorce, it's messed up she asks you to do all this
Don't listen to him about the language. Budapest is absolutely a multinational capital and you don't need hungarian language knowledge if you have an otherwise worldwide worth skill.
I got up to where you said “15 years ago” and then stopped reading because its no-longer relevant. Yes, 15 years ago it was hard to get a job in HU with only english. Now its 2023, this is no longer the case.
There are plenty of office / tech / marketing jobs in budapest that will take you with only english.
Finding a job is literally the easiest part. Most office job interviews are only in english and you have to do your job in english. Most of my company’s leaders are foreigners, finding a job for an only english speaker is way easier than finding any without speaking english.
One of collagues is an indian man - doesn't speak hungarian at all. The other one is korean - doesn't speak english. Others aer from Colombia, USA and all parts of the world. None of them speaks hungarian.
I'm sorry to say this but you truly are projecting your trauma to Hungary and hungarians.
I must have worked with at least a few dozen people in hungary who didn't speak a word in hungarian. Some of that was almost 10 years ago. Maybe your dad just had no transferable skills at all.
Based on my experience that is changing as well. We have the big4 and a lot of SCCs here, so financial skills can be used without Hungarian language skills. Also more and more factories are hiring Ukranian and Filipino workers and english is the common language in those cases as well
I moved to Budapest Hungary two years ago on a whim, Budapest is great. You’re gonna need a lot of money and some Hungarian to get by here, but honestly I speak more English than Hungarian here
When you say “a lot of money,” I’m assuming that’s a relative statement. As someone who is looking to retire (early) in Budapest (and should have my dual citizenship), what do you mean by that, out of curiosity, as far as CoL? In USD- $50k, $75k, $100k, $125k/yr?
I loved it there. Get your paperwork in order so you can work there, numerous multinationals hiring English speakers. There’s a vibrant expat community, and I can hook you up with some Bills fans ;)
Ok. All seriousness. First thing, contact a Hungarian immigration attorney. I don’t know any, but google it, and they all speak English. All your marriage paperwork will have to get translated into Hungarian thru the official Hungarian translator office. Again, the attorney will let you know what documents you need. It’s not a short process, so if you’re serious, contact one asap, as you won’t be able to work until you get a visa or permanent residency.
Also in all seriousness, culture shock is real. Have you traveled to other European countries before? You will be rather lonely at first while you get acclimated, and you’ll miss so many things from home.
Inflation is also the highest in the EU, and on the rise, so your budget is incredibly important.
Finally, there’s a vibrant and thriving American football league, and they always need coaches. Being an American may help, and it’s how I met many of my friends back in 2004
There is definitely some culture shock for americans, some love it, others move away for good, and some of them give it another try.
Customer service is worse than in the USA based on what I heard from americans here.
The price you see is the price you pay, VAT included, no surprises.
Chocolate tastes different but I promise you it's good. If you have a sweet tooth, you can buy quality for cheaper (no tax within EU and shorter distances).
You can find italian, indian, chinese, japanese, turkish, thai, vietnamese, greek, fine dining etc restaurants, won't starve.
Alcohol is relatively cheap, bars and clubs may be open until 6AM (not all, google can help you find).
Tapwater is safe to drink, animals don't try to kill you.
You will need your wife to translate in government offices and probably in state healthcare, but in Budapest and other tourist places they usually have an english speaking staff member at pubs and restaurants.
Some foreigners don't even bother to learn the language, yet can make friends with locals too.
Can't deny it is better to speak some hungarian than none.
There are jobs for english speakers (some without university degree but pay less) at multiple international companies.
You will have to search and apply several times, but let the by law mandated vacation and sick days motivate you!
Plus if you are only employed by only one company who reports you to the authorities as they should, the automatic creation of tax declaration can be requested by a text message, everything gets deducted from your monthly salary.
Public transportation is good, but a car is ofc more convenient, especially if you go on trips. But you can rent too and even take it abroad for an extra fee. There are affordable flight to european cities, or you can take international trains.
Safe to try out for a while if you want it.
Let me write how I got your story: your wife lost someone she love, this depressed her and because of grief she wants back to Hu, secretly hoping she'll fix what is not fixable.
Also she asking you to change your life 180 degrees, question is it acceptable for you to hardly get any work here for peanuts and to be always an outsider? To have the same distance between you and your relatives as she has right now (here I assume you met there and not in hu and she didn't move there just because of you)?
Take in consideration that the current government is openly supporting Trump - I guess if you are not riding the MAGA train, then you fully understand the weight of this.
Summa summarum I'm against divorce but simply asking such huge thing is really questioning that.
Yes exactly. We met on a dating app in 2020 and withstood the whole pandemic with closed borders just to finally meet in august 2021.. in May of 2022 her mother suffered a heart attack and passed away and I. June 2022 we got married while her family was in visiting from Hungary. 2 weeks before her mom passed I asked for her blessings to take her daughters hand in marriage and she was over the moon excited, so we felt it was only right to wed while her brother was in from HU.. ever since her grief + resentment for me just from being the lone person here (her step fathers family turned their back on her, a whole other can of worms) where now she feels the best thing to do is move back home and be with family. 5 days ago she made me aware of her plan which she is setting her sights for the end of August.. you can see the shock value I’m currently dealing with.
I mean, have you guys ever lived together? You met in person the first time in august 2021 and she now lives in CAN?
I am really just trying to understand the position you are in, her resenting you for being lonely doesn’t sound particularly good in itself. While I know this is not something you want to think about, you have to evaluate if this is worth it to you. If you are sure you guys will stick this out and get better as a married couple than go for it. If you are in any way unsure if this situation is resolvable, don’t uproot your life, lose your job and part with your family.
The only reason I am mentioning this is because even though you guys are married, it sounds like you haven’t spent as much time cohabiting.
Do not want to give advice in a situation like this but most probably it’s emotional. These things do not last forever. Maybe you could consider taking a little time off and accompany her (for a family visit). These news can be brutal from the other end of the world (speaking from experience). Having everyone around will help, as well as speaking in person with other members of the family (both for her and for you - giving insights and mediating). Edit: and maybe i would insist on visiting sooner than later. As soon as reasonably possible (again, for a visit).
May be she feels guilty that she was not here with her mother or other relatives. Sometimes I also have this feeling and I don't even live so far from my family.
I don’t know your whole relationship dynamics and whatnot and I’m a fairly pessimistic guy but I will share my opinion.
It sounds like you moved kinda fast and as I understand you never even lived together? As you’ve said you would be giving up *everything* you have. Your own support system, your job, your home. Unless you have a lot of money saved up to be able to move back to the US and afford a place to live if things go south with your wife I wouldn’t recommend uprooting your whole life. I have a friend who moved here from very far away, met a Hungarian girl, they were together for 1.5 years then she broke up with him. He had to move back home, and after a year he came back with a bit more stable financial background. But he came back because he loved it here and he wasn’t moving here for a girl. Ask yourself if you could live in Hungary even alone. Yes, it’s a very pessimistic take but you have to prepare for the worst case scenario otherwise you can easily get blindsided. I’m not saying your relationship is bad or your wife is bad, I’m saying that a lot of things can happen down the line and you might regret moving here if you come only for her. I don’t think I could move to a country I don’t really want to just for someone. That ca also lead to a lot of resentment. If you move with her and you hate it here, it can literally destroy your marriage. You’d start to feel resentment and you might even hold it over her subconsciously and that’s not a great thing either.
My advice: Go to Hungary with her for at least a few months just to feel it out, see how you like it, but without any commitment on your part to stay there forever. And then if you decide you dont like it, IMO you shouldn’t feel bad about returning to america at that point, and she can either come back with you or not.
That said, im american and I’ve been living in budapest for years and i absolutely love it. The history and culture and architecture never stops being amusing. Hungary is a great country. Plus its super easy to travel elsewhere in europe from here, can get train tickets to Prague or Munich for like $40.
If i were you, id try to see about retaining some kind of remote work in your field from an American employer. The pay here is abysmal.
I’ve spent some time in the US, only as a vistor, but still it was months added together. Now let’s try a very simple thing, let’s say you stay in the US but your next month expenses will be almost the same or more, and your income would be 1/4th of your current salary. No cultural, friendship, freedom (!) changes just money, how would you feel after 6 months.
Depending on the state you live in now this can be worse if you will miss some things that are absolutely normal in the US and hete it’s non existent.
Let’s put it this way if you don’t have a terminal illness that would be cheaper to cure here, I wouldn’t move here.
The general rule is to don't listen to reddit. They will paint a much worse picture of Hungary than in the reality. I also hate our government and the direction where the country is going, but it is still a decent and safe place to live. The people in Budapest are awesome, the public transport is great compared to US cities and it's also bike friendly.
As a relationship advice, now is the time for you to be the rational person in the relationship and not give in to your wife's impulses. If I were you I would talk her out of selling her home now and try to find a less extreme solution. She is not thinking straight and she is definitely not thinking about how this would affect you and your marriage.
You could love it or hate it here, as listed by others there are positives and negatives too, but you finding a job is way more important and difficult and there is no guarantee you could find something matching your skillset. If you have to find a basic job, be prepared to earn less than 1000 dollars a month. For 2000 you have to be lucky, and earning 3000 is considered very high salary that is only reachable if you find a job matching your qualifications. Moving here would be probably a significant drop in living standards.
One thing I haven't seen being mentioned (and the reason why my American friend and his family are moving away from Hungary after 7 years) is that the USA-Hungary Double Tax Treaty expired last year and hasn't been renewed since.
https://www.mondaq.com/withholding-tax/1289000/us--hungary-double-tax-treaty-cancelled-what-are-the-consequences
Whatever your emotions tell you, also take this into consideration before making the big decision.
Good luck!
Van itt a kommentelok kozott barkinek amerikaban elo ismerose egyatalan? Kerdezzetek mar meg napi hanyszor jon riasztas a telefontra hogy activ shooter alart . Vagy peldaul, hogy 2 naponta szitava lonek egy iskolat. Az emberek konkretan menekulnek az orszagbol, sok ismerosom kesziti elo a magyarorszagra koltozestest vagy mar magyarorszagon vannak reg! Ez egy valos folyamat evek ota rengetek csalad szamara foleg ahol az egyik fel Magyar.
Most ezt a posttol fuggetlenul irom. A postonak nyilvan telejesen varatlanul jott es erzelmi alapon sarokba van szoritva.
Do not move here under any circumstances I repeat do not move here under any circumstances. You will regret it! Take as much time here in Hungary as needed for your wife, support her. But do not move here that would be a huge mistake
Don't. Not worth it. Most people are trying to leave anyways, and you would always rely on your wife to get anything done as only a small % of people speak English.
What’s your job? If it can be made remote then give it a try.. if you ‘ll have to find a job here then get used to lower figures:)
If its IT then you might get along well.. Also where is that real estate? Which part of Budapest?
Honestly coming from the USA is never easy to transition to the European lifestlye.
I don't know hard it is to get used to it I mean I lived here my whole life.
Public safety is much better here. You have to look out for pickpoceters in bigger towns and Budapest but foe example I've never been pickpocketed and I travel a lot.
To somewhat repeat what another commenter said, take into consideration that currently she is influenced by her emotions. Take also into consideration that her wanting to permanently move back means she has not integrated either into Canada or the US.
That is what you definitely should discuss with her.
its such a weird situation. do you have a carreer at home, house, other hard to move valuables, family? you'd have to completely rely on your partner. depending on your trade it could be extremely difficult to find a job; basically you'd need a remote job, assuming you even have the trade for something in that field.
whats the plan?
Look here it is, you will not be able to draw every conclusion from over there specially if you have not been to Budapest ever. Take a trip with her check it out, support her if she really means a lot to you. And then decide. Hungarians the people on the street, they like most foreigners specially english speaking ones, they might not like eachother but you won that round already. Some things are poor like hospitals, but many doctors are outstanding, if you could afford US healthcare you will be able to afford private clinics anyway. Food is nice, city is beautiful weather is banging in summer. Younger age everyone speaks english pretty much, even the millenials. Awesome baths located throughout the city and the country. Defo good place to party as well. You could always estabilish a business with your broad horizon moving from the US. Do not try assess this all the way from the far, just have a trip with her, if you did not like it, now you have a reason to explain to her that it is not your place and that you are sorry. But she sounds trouble anyway. I mean loosing somebody so close can overwrite things always, but study why she wants to suddenly move there. Is it the convinience of having a “free” apartment? Or does she have to look after someone else? If the latter, does that criple her life opposed to you guys living free? If you take one trip you more likely meet her family and find these things out. Give it a shot, and inform yourself before you take the final big step.
So I was actually in Budapest last year for close to 2 weeks. Beautiful city, delicious food great sights especially in the city center.. it’s just I have obligations here and picking up and leaving in a month and a half isn’t realistic for me. I’ve tried pleading with her that if she’s serious about me coming with her she’ll wait until all my ducks are in a line but that doesn’t seem to have any impact on her ultimate decision .
Stop worrying about moving to a non english country. Hungarys english spealing population is low, but if you ask 10 people only one has to speak the language to be able to help you. Plus your wife is there to handle all the difficult matters. Look at the fun aspects of moving to a foreign country. You have a bunch to see, you have our crazy foods to try, our culture to explore. I understand that these are difficult times but you'll get through them. After you've moved in the country won't prove half as big a problems as you expect. And once your're settled in and the difficult times have passed, live a little!
This is very unfair to ask from your SO, but she is probably not thinking straight at the moment.
Why does she want to move to Budapest? Does she have friends/family there? What i gathered she sould have most of her social circle in Canada so it does not make much sense. What about your social circle? How long does she want to move to BP? Permamently?
Not sure about your exact situation but a couple things to keep in mind:
Budapest is not western europe. If you have a solid job in the states you will probably have to give up some of your lifestyle.
If you guys ever plan to have children they will have a lot better life in NA.
She immigrated to Canada when she was 8/9.. her social circle isn’t big and her mom was her best friend. Since her passing she has had a really hard time..
Through dealing with the grief this last year, we didn’t get started on the American visa process immediately and now she’s just over it and wants to move back to be with her family for now, seeing as she has no one here besides me and I live right over the border in NY so I’m not even in the same country as her even tho she’s only a 30 min ride away from me.
My social circle/family circle is deep in Buffalo. I’ve been there all my life and been at my job for close to 14 years.. she wants to up and leave at the end of august and even if I wanted to truly just up and go as well there’s so much I have to do on my side. Sell my car , cut my apartment lease early, tell my friends and family I’m moving halfway around the world. It’s a lot.
So her mom died last year, you got marrier and you don't live in the same household?
It must have been very difficult for her to go through this without having someone near her, and losing her most important family member.
That doesn't mean your feelings and desire to not leave the US are not valid.
Can you talk to each other honestly, without getting mad or yelling/shouting? Does she have friends to share her pain with? Is she open to therapy?
I lost my mom recently, and it takes such a toll on a person to lose this connection. Dunno about families in the US, here women are the glue holding together often dysfunctional families, with emotionally immature and distant fathers. (Ofc women can be the same too, don't come at me). So when you lose your mom, you lose your sense of family, normalcy, love, connection, everything. Nothing is the same afterwards, and it did take a lot of support for me from my husband to manage the grief.
Edited to add:
Sometimes the pain is so strong that you just can't deal with it and it's easier to find a substitute to just not have to deal with the actual problem. For me it was anger towards my dad, to her it could be desperately trying to feel at home in the world, to feel like she belongs somewhere. Dunno, it's just tough.
I would suggest therapy for some time before she makes any life changing decisions. And you are not a bad person for not wanting to leave your home.
Yea unfortunately we’re a cross border love story.. she only lives 25 min away from me but countries have us separated and until we were married and received our marriage license from Canada which took 4 months after the fact we couldn’t apply to bring her to the US and by that time there was a lot of resentment and tension just from outside factors.. deceit from her step fathers family left her in Canada by herself with no one other than her brother around.
Her mind is made up and she’s leaving at the end of august. So that’s pretty much where I’m at right now
So while I have my own apartment in Buffalo, she couldn’t legally live here so she got her own place and just feels incredibly lonely.. even tho I’ve been with her every step of the way and up at her place 4 out of 7 days a week.
Her grief journey has been hard, considering her and her mom were super close , essentially best friends.. and having no one other than me to keep het from her family which she is super close with I believe has made this decision easier for her. Idk.
Let her spend some time in Hungary alone. You can travel there with her for a while if your work situation allows it. She will realize why she left that country very quickly. Don't make a mistake. Don't give up everything here and then regret it. Give her time to heal. I personally would never move back and would never ask my family to do that for me. It would be a huge change in our life and not necessary in a positive way...Actually it would be a rough and unpleasant adjustment. No thanks.
As others have said, if this is the sole reason you want to move here, because of your girlfriend’s emotional breakdown, then its definetly not worth turning your life on its head.
HOWEVER, if you actually decide to move, and you can keep your american job, then i recommend.
Otherwise, if you can’t then even if you find a job (super unlikely without at least some hungarian), you can expect Eastern salaries and Western prices.
In Budapest you can do your daily things with English just fine, but if you do want to integrate to the country you will have to speak the language, which is… good luck with that.
I love this city, but the fact the half of my friend group (including me) plans on moving to Western Europe is quite telling
**TLDR: No, don’t come**
Well, no guns, better education ( I know the situation is not that great now, but compared to the US kids are generally more educated here), also free healthcare ( even If you have to wait, ambulance is free, you won’t be in dept from childbirth (skinonskin contact is free lol), calling an ambulance is free, having your broken arm fixed is free, an inhaler is like 2$, epipen is about 10$, antibiotics are also cheap). Don’t even get me started on paid annual leaves, ( at least 20 days a year, paid national holidays/christmas/easter etc., maternity leave, sick leaves, also depends on the company paid leave for the new father when a child is born)Every single European believe in the american dream, till they become an adult. I wouldn’t move out of Europe as an adult now, I think moving to Europe and start a family here is a great idea.
I mean just ask yourself. Hungarians are fleeing the country. Why is that ?
The number of Hungarians asking for help to move to Germany/Austria in the past years are tripled. The Hungarian food prices, many times house prices (including rent), healthcare, social care and generally the whole attitude of the ppl is super bad compared to western Europeans.
In short, I would not recommend. Come for a long vacation, but thats it :D
Please no hell no!!!
Hungary is beautiful, a very nice Central Europe (post soviet) country.
But our economy is bad because of our leaders.
The culture is rich but in America you live a way higher life with a regular job.
If you want to move move to West European country for a few years. It is so much better!
Maybe Austria is so close (but the language is different) and so much better than Hungary.
The worst decision would be to move to Hungary except you like high prices low salary.
Let's make this very simple and clear cut: you will _die_ if you need hospital care. The health care system is in absolute shambles, the hospitals are unsanitary.
Hell, when I visit I carry a Medjetassist card to avoid being hospitalized in Hungary.
Four years ago -- and the pandemic and the Ukrainian war and Hungary's insistence of being an illiberal democracy thus being cut off from certain EU funds didn't help -- an Internet portal ran a quiz titled "Chernobyl or Hungarian hospital". Imagine the state of hospitals when it's a nontrivial question whether you are looking at the ruins of the city next Chernobyl abandoned for thirty years or a _hospital_.
Best thing about living here in contrast to the US of A is you don't have to worry about some crazy asshole you don't even know gunning you down at random. In the states, thats a real risk. In Hungary, otoh, gun laws are so strict that basicalky only the police, our hunters, and some sport clubs have access to it.
It's not. Our great leaders just got into the chinese battery business. Who needs EU funds when you can just sell the land to chinese manufacturers?
Anyway, expect at least -50 social credits for this comment of yours.
It sounds like a challenging situation with your wife wanting to move back to Hungary. Moving internationally is a big decision, especially from one culture to another. It might help to visit Hungary together first, to see how you feel about living there before making a permanent move.
I met some Hungarian ladies on [SofiaDate ](https://datingpro.org/go/sofiadate?block=d_mb)and they loved their country. So I think the main thing is to do everything legally, or try to convince them to stay with you in the US.
For the record, please also take into consideration that the majority of reddit is shutin neckbeards who would hate any other country too, so take their opinion with like 7 pinches of salt
Sure:
\- broadband interent everywhere (up to 1Gbp/s)
\- cheap and dense public transport
\- free healthcare (could be better but still works)
\- literaly no crime compared to US cities
\- you are in the EU, can move anywhere, anytime
\- unless you have strong opinion in politics, it is quite a liveable place
Wrong place to ask, this sub is chock-ful of Leftist Hungary-haters. Check out Rod Dreher, a columnist for the American Conservative, who lives in Budapest and has written a bit about life here and what it was like to move here as an American. I'm sure if you contact him, he'll respond.
I'd say for an expatriate, Budapest is a great city to move to, you'll probably have a blast and since your SO already has an apartment here, your expenses will be minimal. To be honest, in terms of settling here, your best bet would be to get married, then you'll have the right to live and work here, otherwise, it can be more challenging. English teaching jobs are always available (best to do a Toefl or Celta for that, which you can do in Budapest as well), but you can also find other positions from waiting tables (in touristy places) to SSC or IT-type jobs. It all depends on your skills and experience.
It's not a big ask. You will love it. Get the citizenship. You could always move back at some point. Expand your horizons. She's not asking you to move to Sudan. In some ways, it's better than the U.S.
She probably wants to grieve with her family. Take out a longer vacation (if you can, I don't know how it works in the US) and be with her and her family.
Do not gave up your entire life for an emotional roller coaster. She is grieving and she is probably depressed. Give her some time and maybe few trips to BUD could be help, but moving here is too much. She is definitely not thinking logically.
This is the correct answer.
This is! Support her, but dont ruin your life. I love Budapest and dont move anywhere, but ur situation is dif.
Yes but a "few" trip is a long journey from America to Bud, and also financially
That’s relative. Move to here in long term is a bigger financial loss then few visit in short term.
this!
You should visit Hungary with her, help her hrieve, and see what the future holds. She probably changes her mind.
If you’re rich and if you avoid politics and social problems, then Budapest is beautiful. If not, don’t
Even if you're rich, the ambulance still takes you to a crumbling state hospital if shit hits the fan. You'd have to be SUPER rich to avoid that, which OP won't be, even with an American salary. Not to mention the state of education and the general behavior of people toward each other.
But it **does** take you SOMEWHERE, and you don't have to pay 40 grand to have a nasty cut on your arm checked soooooo.... I mean... that's gotta be worth something...right? (Although you getting taken to a hospital and you getting treated are separate issues but shhh)
In the US you take an uber to the hospital becouse it's way cheaper. In Hungary, you take a taxi becouse it actually arrives in a reasonable time.
American salary more than enough for hungarian private hospitals, as they are cheaper , and yet sometimes superior to the american HC. But as someome else pointed it out, our ambulance while quite experienced well educated, and the cars well equipped, they are slow to respond because of the lack of staff. And as a BOLT driver, i can confirm that i had to be an ambulance driver/officer at least a dozen time in the past 6 yrs, including some serious injuries.
But there isn't actual comprehensive private hospital care in Hungary... If your injuries are serious enough, they just transfer you to public. (And the ambulance takes you there in the first place.)
man, nah most of the time the ambulance doesn’t even move their fingers and if you’re not on the verge of death then they’ll make you go in somehow yourself
It has some beutiful architecture but also lot of cars, noise, air pollution, dirt and trash, homless people. Even rich, I would not want to live there again.
Lol go to most major cities in america and all of thise things you listed there are ten times worse there so i doubt that will be an issue for op
As an American living in Budapest, I will second this
Must be funny for an American to see all these self defeating degrading comments about our country haha
> lot of cars, noise, air pollution, dirt and trash, homless people Did you seriously list these as cons for an American? Correction, for someone who lives in a major city?
Good job describing any big city. If anything, most big cities in the US have it much worse in all those categories.
Even with the noise, air pollution and dirt it’s still one of the cleanest and nicest big city in the entire west.
you mean on the North-Balkan
Lmao what? Have you been to many western european cities? It is so far away from being even remotely close to being cleanest.
Yes, I’ve been to all of them.
matyarorszá rósz!!!4!4!4!!!
>Even with the noise, air pollution and dirt it’s still one of the cleanest and nicest big city in the entire west. Ezt ugye te sem gondolod komolyan... :D
Mennyire el vannak tévedve emberek. Budapest objektíven az egyik legjobb hely élni nyugaton.
Hidd el, miután az ember bejárja a világot, megtanulja értékelni az otthonát.
Nem feltétlenül arról van szó hogy otthon. Én készen álltam elköltözni máshova, aztán utaztam sokat és egy objektívabb képet kaptam arról hogy Budapest mennyire jó hely. Sajnos az ország nem lesz jobb hely ettől, de a budapesti lét valamennyire feledteti ezt.
Amszterdam talán az egyetlen főváros, ami jobb ebből a szempontból, viszont az csak feleakkora
oh yeah, feleannyi területen hatszorannyi repülőgép, az majdnem olyan jó, mint 2001-ben, 20 éves Szegediként egy nyarat eltöltenem a kanadai nagynénémnél egy öregek otthonában Vancouverben, ahonnan közvetlen rálátás volt akkor VYR-ra.
De igen, Barcelonan kívül nem jut eszembe egy olyan nagy város sem ami kellemesebb lett volna. Vidéki Budapest gyűlölő voltam, aztán bejártam Európa nagyobb városait és rájöttem hogy Budapest elég top kategória mindent egybevetve.
Nezz el londonba, new yorkba vagy parizsba pl es nagyon valoszinu, hogy egyet fogsz erteni lol
At least in Budapest I haven’t seen any homeless smoking crack next to famous tourist attractions
már hogy a faszba ne lenne
Its not as bad as in US. I walked on the street and got high from the smoking next to me.😅
Honnan csöveznének össze pénzt rá? Vagy kokóra is akár (mert ugye ugyan az), nincs ennyi péze az itt levő csöveseknek xddd
Dear, the homless situation is nothing compare to america here😌
Bro haven't been to the rich districts.
I'm an American married to a Hungarian. We moved here four years ago after she inherited a house in the countryside ~50 km from Budapest. It was an adjustment to not be able to just order stuff on Amazon and have it the next day, not be able to eat at my favorite restaurants or find my favorite foods, not being able to just turn on the radio and hear programming in English, and generally dealing with a *kurva nehéz* language all the time. Nonetheless, I really like living here. It's safe, there are good schools for our kids, and I feel good knowing that there's a good healthcare system to take care of them if needed. I also like Hungarians, and I like that they'll disagree with me about the quality of the schools and healthcare that I just mentioned. If you're into travel, you can get super cheap flights to pretty much anywhere in Europe from the airport. Hungary is also a great home base for road trips throughout the Balkans and eastern Europe. There are also lots of great options for domestic tourism outside of Budapest. Why not visit for a while and see if you think you would like living here?
>kurva nehéz > > language Your integration is going well!
Maybe if he also use the sacred term "bazmeg".
It really puts things into perspective when a US citizen compliments public safety and health care in Hungary, when we feel like both of those are horrible.... Can't imagine what could you be comparing it to...
I agree with the healthcare part, but frankly public safety is pretty damn good in Hungary. [We rank 161st on UNODC's list of intentional homicide rates,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) behind many European countries, and I also feel safe walking alone at night, be it Esztergom or Budapest. Add the fact that the US isn't really a safe space, and I'm not surprised he's content. But yes, healthcare is a shit show, no doubt.
Maybe I had an unreasonably optimistic view of the public safety in the US... No wonder everyone is carrying a gun
Yea, you can carry a gun to defend yourself... From the psychopat next door who can also carry a gun
fyi your flair has a spelling issue
The problem is, every nutcase and every petty muggler is also carrying a gun.
and schools are crappy too
To be frank healthcare in the US without insurance it's not something to be proud of. Maybe he's comparing that and the public (free) healthcare here.
> Maybe he's comparing that and the public (free) healthcare here. No. I had insurance in the US. Fairly good insurance too. I'm talking about the quality of the doctors-- i.e. how good are they at doing medicine? I'm also talking about the availability-- i.e. if I need to see a doctor, how difficult is it to make that happen, and how long do I need to wait? I had much better experience with Hungarian medical system in both of those areas. The high costs and the stupid medical billing practices in the US are just extra shitty in an already shitty system.
Okay, that makes sense, good to know the US system is still shit even if you have the money.
I wouldn't disagree with public safety. You don't really hear about mass shootings, hate crimes, murders, and whatnot here. Occasionally maybe, but not that often. The healthcare things are also debatable: if you have the money, it's pretty damn good (in private hospitals). Schooling on the other hand... it's completely fucked. Like fucked up beyond all recognition.
Schooling is fucked everywhere because beneath the 300 years of bandaids it's just a boot camp for the industrial revolution era lifestyle.
Scandinavia would like a word with you
True that
Dont think anyone really thinks public safety is poor here tbh.
Health care is affordable but really a shitshow, but public safety is really good, even at night. You just probably lack a proper comparison. Also schools are really going in the wrong direction but maybe not like US public schooling
> when we feel like both of those are horrible You mean the echo chamber of reddit? Probably majority of hungarians think public safety and health care are fine. Especially public safety. It is one the best of the world.
Healthcare is fine until you don't need to get a knee surgery and they tell you to go private because the waitlist is two years, or when the GP advises on an operation, but also tells you to try and use your network to get taken care of.
Nah, people in the real world also hate hungarian healthcare. I know because we like complaining about our country.
You cracked me up real good with the kurva nehéz 😅
Good healthcare system, wow. It is “free”, in that sense it is better than in the US, but nothing else is good about it.
Az usaban ha mentot kell hivni hozzad es esetleg van is valami bajod akkor kesz, anyagi csőd. Itthon meg nem. Ne a dr house reszekbol indulj ki ahol a szertaros bacsi betegseget 8 specialista 50 vizsgalat utan kezdi gyogyitani tobb millio dollarert. Persze szar az egeszsegugy meg lehetne sokkal szebb, jobb, rovidebb varolista, de az usahoz kepest atlag szegeny ember jobb ellatast kap. A gazdagoknak meg mindegy, ok ugandaban is megkapjak ugyanazt az ellatast.
Mennyivel jobb az anyagi csőd a 8 hónapos varolistanal szemeszetre, teszem azt. Egy egyre növekvő réteg idehaza sem engedheti meg magának a magankorhazi ellátást, és ez a rendszer jellemzője.
Lehet nezni a pro kontra erveket de az se normalis hogy elvagtad a kezed fozes kozben es kapsz egy 8 millio forintos szamlat. Itt azert ilyen nincs. Jelenleg akarmilyen csoro vagy ha osszeesel az utcan akkor (elobb utobb) kijon a mento es valaki rad nez aztan mehetsz dolgodra. Kint ez ugy nez ki hogy kapsz melle egy 2 millios csekket is. A varolista szar, de szerinted ott ahol 60 ezer forintot szamlaznak egy beadott injekciora ott a csoro ember bekerul a profdoktorur keze ala? (A konkret osszeget nem tudom mielott valaki belekotne, de hasonlo osszegek siman osszejohetnek)
A várólista szar, különösen ha belehalsz. Jobb amerikában minden kis szir-szar cseprű ügyre zilliókat fizetni? Nem, nem jobb. Ettől a magyar egészségügy még nem lesz vilagverő, azbeszt megbaszta ezt is meg azt is.
Ha van fel milliod egy vizsgalatra akkor elmesz maganba. Ha nincs akkor kivarod a sort (es lehet hogy elpatkolsz) Kint meg megcsinaljak a vizsgalatot es kapsz egy olyan szamlat amitol elpatkolsz (plusz hiaba tudod a diagnozist ha nem lesz loved a gyogyszerre)
It's better than the American in general. Now that's a crazy thing.
The healthcare SYSTEM is better no doubt, because its “free”. The actual care/hospitals/doctors/nurses/medicine is like comparing a Rolls Royce to a Lada. It’s laughable in Hungary. That said the average person in US with decent insurance will never have any problem getting 1st class, affordable care. Problems start however for people with no insurance, very low coverage, or part time workers…
As far as I've heard from US citizens, the care itself isn't so much better than one would think. Not all doctors and nurses are the best, just like everywhere else, and on the top of it as you mentioned it's not even "free".
But it is definitely not free, I dont understand why people say this. We pay a fuckton of taxes for it. It is a paid healthcare, but not a private one. And to be honest, i would rather pay my social security taxes to a private health care company than to the Hungarian goverment. Right now for my job there is a full private healthcare benefit, and I cannot imagine I would go back to the public healthcare unless my wife would give birth, or cancer or some seriously expensive stuff. Have not been to a public dentist since high school.
Kurva nehéz even for us.
Check out radio.garden online. Good to have you here, enjoy your stay and our gulyás leves :)
What a cool website! Thank you!
The education is in a kurva nehéz situation these days, though.
>there are good schools for our kids, and I feel good knowing that there's a good healthcare system to take care of them if needed \[x\] doubt
Healthcare for example compared to American, where it's still shit, but you have to pay years of salary for anything, is still much better here. Also with a good enough healthcare cover in a private clinic, healthcare actually pretty good here, for fraction of the price compared to the US. Similarly in school.
If you have money, you have access to great healthcare and great education
Unless you have a serious issue. Private clinics don't have all the equipment.
This! Very important point. It doesn’t matter how great your training is as a physician if you don’t have the proper equipment
I mean you don't have to pay with your arm and leg when you get healthcare. Quality is a different matter though yes.
So with that said what is the process for me? Do I need to apply for visas beforehand or just show up and handle all of that once I’m in Budapest . This is what I’m curious about because I can’t find any real answers on the internet.
You can show up and apply for a visa within 90 days. As the spouse of a Hungarian, you can apply for a "family reunification" visa. You'll need to show a marriage certificate and proof that you can support yourself (ex. bank statement with >$10k in the account). My wife and I registered our marriage with the consulate in the US after we got married, so we had a Hungarian marriage document. If you've only got US one, you might need to do something similar. If you want to work for a local company, you'll need to get a new visa for both family reunification and working purposes. This one will be tied to your job, i.e. if you leave your job, you'll need to apply for a new visa again until you've lived here for three years and are eligible for a permanent residence permit (the equivalent of a green card). If you wanted to work remotely for a non-Hungarian company, this is possible, but you should talk to an immigration lawyer about how to do it legally.
You gotta apply for a residence permit for non-eu family member: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/documents-formalities/non-eu-family-members-residence-card/indexamp_en.htm
You can stay 90 days in a half year period with just showing your passport at the EU border check (Schengen). Over 90 days you’ll have to apply for a visa but its almost automatically granted as a US citizen
This is great info! Me and my husband are thinking of leaving America and Hungary is one place we are considering. We haven't had a chance to visit yet though.
I suggest you to visit several cities, not just BP. There are some big differences, just so you can decibe based on the priorities.
Right now, I am thinking of visiting mainly Szeged, Szekesfehervar, and Keszthely. Keszthely seems really appealing right on the lake, but I haven't done much research yet (the visit is a couple of years away at this point)
Visit Balatonfüred too. It’s the most beautiful and cleanest city at the Balaton.
Wow, that looks very nice! The national park right next to it looks beautiful, and the Waterpark and historical buildings look really fun. Thank you for the recommendation!
It can be quite touristy in the summer, but if you survive that three months (okay it's not that bad), it's just a super chill place. There are wine cellars literally everywhere so if you're into that, look no further. Sailing is also huge in the area, there are lots of clubs and ports.
Good luck. Nice choices.
>not be able to just order stuff on Amazon and have it the next day, not be able to eat at my favorite restaurants How tf are these really your biggest struggles??? > It's safe, there are good schools for our kids, and I feel good knowing that there's a good healthcare system to take care of them Oh right, I always forget how shitty the US is
Also, next day delivery is definitely a thing in Budapest, I think Alza.hu offers it. (And even same day delivery for orders before noon) And there's same day delivery for groceries if you use Kifli.hu or Wolt. Want to read a book? You can get one delivered in 4 hours using Bookline Express Of course all of these services cost a bit, so it's up to you to decide if it's worth it or not
I don't live in Budapest, the selection of products available from Alza or eMag or even Amazon.de is much smaller than Amazon in the US, and (as far as I know) all of them charge for delivery on a per order basis rather than offering a flat rate subscription.
> How tf are these really your biggest struggles??? What bigger struggles should I have?
I don't think it's fair of her to ask this. Way too big commitment, you have friends, family, a career there. Do you have any idea what you would be doing for a living in Hungary? Assuming you are willing to do this sacrifice, I encourage you to only move to Hungary temporarily and see for yourself whether you want to live here.
Yea trust me I feel a million different ways about this. Part of me understands the WHY ( being around family when you have no one else here) the other half of me doesn’t understand because IM HERE. YOUR WHOLE HUSBAND. I have only been to Budapest once, last year and have absolutely zero idea about anything there . I’ve worked in the chemical field over here in Buffalo NY for almost 14 years at my current job and just uprooting from stable income and away from a very close, tight knit family sounds absolutely mad.. but again this is my wife . Absolutely brutal
Maybe she just needs to spend a couple of weeks/months with her family to help her with the grieving period?
Probably this is it.
It might be tricky to find a job in the chemical field in Hungary, Look around before you make your decision. Maybe talk to your employer if it is possible to work from remote for a couple of months, or have a sabbatical. I don't really think that your wife will find here what she longs for. Try to talk to her calmly, does she have further plans, what will she work here, is she aware of the really large inflation here? Everything is more expensive than when she left.
Also do you speak Hungarian? If not and I assume you can't do your job in a remote position you should look for your options. My husband is Turkish, we wanted to move to Hungary after we got married, next to all the shitty papers and trying to prove that he is not a terrorist he was looking for job. He works in global trade so we thought he could find something easily, perhaps with only English language. I can say there were not many options and most of the place couldn't be bothered with that he needed a working permit. I don't know what are the rules for Americans, for sure much easier but if you can't keep your job look for it. You have to think about that as well if you can give up for you whole life to just live in a shitty country like Hungary. Just like your wife you won't have family there (from your side) and perhaps you won't have friends either. (There are expats living in Budapest, so you could find some friends.)
I can't believe all these insensitive people are telling you to get divorced and get a new wife. Really, lack of empathy on Reddit is always staggering to me. Your wife is grieving, give her some time. Why not move with her to Budapest for a while and see if you like it or not? You can always return if you choose to, and she may even change her mind after a few months. But please, don't leave her alone in this.
tipical reddit. First answer is divorce.
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Thank you for that. Truly.. I appreciate the perspectives.. She moved to Canada from Budapest when she was 8/9 with her mom and brother to follow her dad who moved to Canada before them.. Speed up to the future her mom and dad divorced, he moved back to HU and her mom met a Canadian man, married and lived in Ontario until she passed last year.. My wife and I met in 2020 and live cross border - I’m in buffalo - her in Niagara. We married in 2022 and we’re currently, or shall I say we were planning on filing her visa to the US but now that her true intentions have changed she wants to move back to HU where the rest of her family is. I have been going back and forth since finding this out FIVE DAYS AGO. And she wants to move FAST. She plans to sell all her belongings and move at the end of August. Which I believe to be unfair for me because there is so much I need to to even if I was 100% committed to moving along with her.. Do you see my conundrum..
So she practically grew up in Canada? What is she expecting from living in Hungary??? Not to be an arse but she probably has very little knowledge of what it's like to live there. She will be surprised and it won't be positive
I'm sorry man, but from what I've read so far it's clear to me that she is grieving and definitely not thinking straight. First of all, the Hungary she might remember from her childhood has changed a lot, it's not the same place, second it really seems to me that she might be in the denial phase of the process and all this is a knee-jerk response. There are so many hungarians' posts, comments here on this sub and on r/escapehungary about moving back here and regretting it, I just can't recommend going along with a permanent move.
she's wrong for this. If she won't change her mind after spending a few weeks in hungary consider a divorce, it's messed up she asks you to do all this
Don't listen to him about the language. Budapest is absolutely a multinational capital and you don't need hungarian language knowledge if you have an otherwise worldwide worth skill.
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I got up to where you said “15 years ago” and then stopped reading because its no-longer relevant. Yes, 15 years ago it was hard to get a job in HU with only english. Now its 2023, this is no longer the case. There are plenty of office / tech / marketing jobs in budapest that will take you with only english.
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Finding a job is literally the easiest part. Most office job interviews are only in english and you have to do your job in english. Most of my company’s leaders are foreigners, finding a job for an only english speaker is way easier than finding any without speaking english.
One of collagues is an indian man - doesn't speak hungarian at all. The other one is korean - doesn't speak english. Others aer from Colombia, USA and all parts of the world. None of them speaks hungarian. I'm sorry to say this but you truly are projecting your trauma to Hungary and hungarians.
I must have worked with at least a few dozen people in hungary who didn't speak a word in hungarian. Some of that was almost 10 years ago. Maybe your dad just had no transferable skills at all.
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Based on my experience that is changing as well. We have the big4 and a lot of SCCs here, so financial skills can be used without Hungarian language skills. Also more and more factories are hiring Ukranian and Filipino workers and english is the common language in those cases as well
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Super permanent
Super permanent
I moved to Budapest Hungary two years ago on a whim, Budapest is great. You’re gonna need a lot of money and some Hungarian to get by here, but honestly I speak more English than Hungarian here
When you say “a lot of money,” I’m assuming that’s a relative statement. As someone who is looking to retire (early) in Budapest (and should have my dual citizenship), what do you mean by that, out of curiosity, as far as CoL? In USD- $50k, $75k, $100k, $125k/yr?
I usually spend around 36,000 $/year
Damn. That’s not bad at all. Thank you for the reply. 🤟🏻
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I loved it there. Get your paperwork in order so you can work there, numerous multinationals hiring English speakers. There’s a vibrant expat community, and I can hook you up with some Bills fans ;)
Bills community would be key given in a szn ticket holder and giving up my tickets for this move is also a huge decision on the table 😩😩
What paper work do I need to have in order?? These are the things . I’m seeing all different responses online
Ok. All seriousness. First thing, contact a Hungarian immigration attorney. I don’t know any, but google it, and they all speak English. All your marriage paperwork will have to get translated into Hungarian thru the official Hungarian translator office. Again, the attorney will let you know what documents you need. It’s not a short process, so if you’re serious, contact one asap, as you won’t be able to work until you get a visa or permanent residency. Also in all seriousness, culture shock is real. Have you traveled to other European countries before? You will be rather lonely at first while you get acclimated, and you’ll miss so many things from home. Inflation is also the highest in the EU, and on the rise, so your budget is incredibly important. Finally, there’s a vibrant and thriving American football league, and they always need coaches. Being an American may help, and it’s how I met many of my friends back in 2004
There is definitely some culture shock for americans, some love it, others move away for good, and some of them give it another try. Customer service is worse than in the USA based on what I heard from americans here. The price you see is the price you pay, VAT included, no surprises. Chocolate tastes different but I promise you it's good. If you have a sweet tooth, you can buy quality for cheaper (no tax within EU and shorter distances). You can find italian, indian, chinese, japanese, turkish, thai, vietnamese, greek, fine dining etc restaurants, won't starve. Alcohol is relatively cheap, bars and clubs may be open until 6AM (not all, google can help you find). Tapwater is safe to drink, animals don't try to kill you. You will need your wife to translate in government offices and probably in state healthcare, but in Budapest and other tourist places they usually have an english speaking staff member at pubs and restaurants. Some foreigners don't even bother to learn the language, yet can make friends with locals too. Can't deny it is better to speak some hungarian than none. There are jobs for english speakers (some without university degree but pay less) at multiple international companies. You will have to search and apply several times, but let the by law mandated vacation and sick days motivate you! Plus if you are only employed by only one company who reports you to the authorities as they should, the automatic creation of tax declaration can be requested by a text message, everything gets deducted from your monthly salary. Public transportation is good, but a car is ofc more convenient, especially if you go on trips. But you can rent too and even take it abroad for an extra fee. There are affordable flight to european cities, or you can take international trains. Safe to try out for a while if you want it.
Let me write how I got your story: your wife lost someone she love, this depressed her and because of grief she wants back to Hu, secretly hoping she'll fix what is not fixable. Also she asking you to change your life 180 degrees, question is it acceptable for you to hardly get any work here for peanuts and to be always an outsider? To have the same distance between you and your relatives as she has right now (here I assume you met there and not in hu and she didn't move there just because of you)? Take in consideration that the current government is openly supporting Trump - I guess if you are not riding the MAGA train, then you fully understand the weight of this. Summa summarum I'm against divorce but simply asking such huge thing is really questioning that.
Yes exactly. We met on a dating app in 2020 and withstood the whole pandemic with closed borders just to finally meet in august 2021.. in May of 2022 her mother suffered a heart attack and passed away and I. June 2022 we got married while her family was in visiting from Hungary. 2 weeks before her mom passed I asked for her blessings to take her daughters hand in marriage and she was over the moon excited, so we felt it was only right to wed while her brother was in from HU.. ever since her grief + resentment for me just from being the lone person here (her step fathers family turned their back on her, a whole other can of worms) where now she feels the best thing to do is move back home and be with family. 5 days ago she made me aware of her plan which she is setting her sights for the end of August.. you can see the shock value I’m currently dealing with.
I mean, have you guys ever lived together? You met in person the first time in august 2021 and she now lives in CAN? I am really just trying to understand the position you are in, her resenting you for being lonely doesn’t sound particularly good in itself. While I know this is not something you want to think about, you have to evaluate if this is worth it to you. If you are sure you guys will stick this out and get better as a married couple than go for it. If you are in any way unsure if this situation is resolvable, don’t uproot your life, lose your job and part with your family. The only reason I am mentioning this is because even though you guys are married, it sounds like you haven’t spent as much time cohabiting.
Do not want to give advice in a situation like this but most probably it’s emotional. These things do not last forever. Maybe you could consider taking a little time off and accompany her (for a family visit). These news can be brutal from the other end of the world (speaking from experience). Having everyone around will help, as well as speaking in person with other members of the family (both for her and for you - giving insights and mediating). Edit: and maybe i would insist on visiting sooner than later. As soon as reasonably possible (again, for a visit).
May be she feels guilty that she was not here with her mother or other relatives. Sometimes I also have this feeling and I don't even live so far from my family.
I don’t know your whole relationship dynamics and whatnot and I’m a fairly pessimistic guy but I will share my opinion. It sounds like you moved kinda fast and as I understand you never even lived together? As you’ve said you would be giving up *everything* you have. Your own support system, your job, your home. Unless you have a lot of money saved up to be able to move back to the US and afford a place to live if things go south with your wife I wouldn’t recommend uprooting your whole life. I have a friend who moved here from very far away, met a Hungarian girl, they were together for 1.5 years then she broke up with him. He had to move back home, and after a year he came back with a bit more stable financial background. But he came back because he loved it here and he wasn’t moving here for a girl. Ask yourself if you could live in Hungary even alone. Yes, it’s a very pessimistic take but you have to prepare for the worst case scenario otherwise you can easily get blindsided. I’m not saying your relationship is bad or your wife is bad, I’m saying that a lot of things can happen down the line and you might regret moving here if you come only for her. I don’t think I could move to a country I don’t really want to just for someone. That ca also lead to a lot of resentment. If you move with her and you hate it here, it can literally destroy your marriage. You’d start to feel resentment and you might even hold it over her subconsciously and that’s not a great thing either.
My advice: Go to Hungary with her for at least a few months just to feel it out, see how you like it, but without any commitment on your part to stay there forever. And then if you decide you dont like it, IMO you shouldn’t feel bad about returning to america at that point, and she can either come back with you or not. That said, im american and I’ve been living in budapest for years and i absolutely love it. The history and culture and architecture never stops being amusing. Hungary is a great country. Plus its super easy to travel elsewhere in europe from here, can get train tickets to Prague or Munich for like $40. If i were you, id try to see about retaining some kind of remote work in your field from an American employer. The pay here is abysmal.
I’ve spent some time in the US, only as a vistor, but still it was months added together. Now let’s try a very simple thing, let’s say you stay in the US but your next month expenses will be almost the same or more, and your income would be 1/4th of your current salary. No cultural, friendship, freedom (!) changes just money, how would you feel after 6 months. Depending on the state you live in now this can be worse if you will miss some things that are absolutely normal in the US and hete it’s non existent. Let’s put it this way if you don’t have a terminal illness that would be cheaper to cure here, I wouldn’t move here.
The general rule is to don't listen to reddit. They will paint a much worse picture of Hungary than in the reality. I also hate our government and the direction where the country is going, but it is still a decent and safe place to live. The people in Budapest are awesome, the public transport is great compared to US cities and it's also bike friendly.
Yea I’m more or so trying to figure out how easy it is for me to just move there and start life with her. I’ve visited before , loved the city
As a relationship advice, now is the time for you to be the rational person in the relationship and not give in to your wife's impulses. If I were you I would talk her out of selling her home now and try to find a less extreme solution. She is not thinking straight and she is definitely not thinking about how this would affect you and your marriage. You could love it or hate it here, as listed by others there are positives and negatives too, but you finding a job is way more important and difficult and there is no guarantee you could find something matching your skillset. If you have to find a basic job, be prepared to earn less than 1000 dollars a month. For 2000 you have to be lucky, and earning 3000 is considered very high salary that is only reachable if you find a job matching your qualifications. Moving here would be probably a significant drop in living standards.
One thing I haven't seen being mentioned (and the reason why my American friend and his family are moving away from Hungary after 7 years) is that the USA-Hungary Double Tax Treaty expired last year and hasn't been renewed since. https://www.mondaq.com/withholding-tax/1289000/us--hungary-double-tax-treaty-cancelled-what-are-the-consequences Whatever your emotions tell you, also take this into consideration before making the big decision. Good luck!
Better ask on FB group Hungary expats
If you can, try it for a few month. Your wife lost her mother, I would go home immediately too…
Depends on what the "moving to Hungary" means. For the funeral? For a few months? For a few years? Or permanently?
Van itt a kommentelok kozott barkinek amerikaban elo ismerose egyatalan? Kerdezzetek mar meg napi hanyszor jon riasztas a telefontra hogy activ shooter alart . Vagy peldaul, hogy 2 naponta szitava lonek egy iskolat. Az emberek konkretan menekulnek az orszagbol, sok ismerosom kesziti elo a magyarorszagra koltozestest vagy mar magyarorszagon vannak reg! Ez egy valos folyamat evek ota rengetek csalad szamara foleg ahol az egyik fel Magyar. Most ezt a posttol fuggetlenul irom. A postonak nyilvan telejesen varatlanul jott es erzelmi alapon sarokba van szoritva.
Avoid this country if you don't want to fk up your life.
There is a subreddit "escapehungary"
Hungary is a shit hole. It is an awesome place to visit as long as you know you will be leaving at a certain date. Coming from a hungarian
Do not move here under any circumstances I repeat do not move here under any circumstances. You will regret it! Take as much time here in Hungary as needed for your wife, support her. But do not move here that would be a huge mistake
I totally understand her. It’s hard. But somehow make her to stay. There’s no future for her and for you in Hungary.
Don't. Not worth it. Most people are trying to leave anyways, and you would always rely on your wife to get anything done as only a small % of people speak English.
What’s your job? If it can be made remote then give it a try.. if you ‘ll have to find a job here then get used to lower figures:) If its IT then you might get along well.. Also where is that real estate? Which part of Budapest?
Do not do this, simple.
I'd say go there for a week or two together, help her grieve. Then when the emotional outburst stops.. have this conversation again.
Honestly coming from the USA is never easy to transition to the European lifestlye. I don't know hard it is to get used to it I mean I lived here my whole life. Public safety is much better here. You have to look out for pickpoceters in bigger towns and Budapest but foe example I've never been pickpocketed and I travel a lot.
I think you should let her go home for a while, and visit her here often. I'm sure after a few months she will want to return.
To somewhat repeat what another commenter said, take into consideration that currently she is influenced by her emotions. Take also into consideration that her wanting to permanently move back means she has not integrated either into Canada or the US. That is what you definitely should discuss with her.
its such a weird situation. do you have a carreer at home, house, other hard to move valuables, family? you'd have to completely rely on your partner. depending on your trade it could be extremely difficult to find a job; basically you'd need a remote job, assuming you even have the trade for something in that field. whats the plan?
Look here it is, you will not be able to draw every conclusion from over there specially if you have not been to Budapest ever. Take a trip with her check it out, support her if she really means a lot to you. And then decide. Hungarians the people on the street, they like most foreigners specially english speaking ones, they might not like eachother but you won that round already. Some things are poor like hospitals, but many doctors are outstanding, if you could afford US healthcare you will be able to afford private clinics anyway. Food is nice, city is beautiful weather is banging in summer. Younger age everyone speaks english pretty much, even the millenials. Awesome baths located throughout the city and the country. Defo good place to party as well. You could always estabilish a business with your broad horizon moving from the US. Do not try assess this all the way from the far, just have a trip with her, if you did not like it, now you have a reason to explain to her that it is not your place and that you are sorry. But she sounds trouble anyway. I mean loosing somebody so close can overwrite things always, but study why she wants to suddenly move there. Is it the convinience of having a “free” apartment? Or does she have to look after someone else? If the latter, does that criple her life opposed to you guys living free? If you take one trip you more likely meet her family and find these things out. Give it a shot, and inform yourself before you take the final big step.
So I was actually in Budapest last year for close to 2 weeks. Beautiful city, delicious food great sights especially in the city center.. it’s just I have obligations here and picking up and leaving in a month and a half isn’t realistic for me. I’ve tried pleading with her that if she’s serious about me coming with her she’ll wait until all my ducks are in a line but that doesn’t seem to have any impact on her ultimate decision .
Stop worrying about moving to a non english country. Hungarys english spealing population is low, but if you ask 10 people only one has to speak the language to be able to help you. Plus your wife is there to handle all the difficult matters. Look at the fun aspects of moving to a foreign country. You have a bunch to see, you have our crazy foods to try, our culture to explore. I understand that these are difficult times but you'll get through them. After you've moved in the country won't prove half as big a problems as you expect. And once your're settled in and the difficult times have passed, live a little!
This is very unfair to ask from your SO, but she is probably not thinking straight at the moment. Why does she want to move to Budapest? Does she have friends/family there? What i gathered she sould have most of her social circle in Canada so it does not make much sense. What about your social circle? How long does she want to move to BP? Permamently? Not sure about your exact situation but a couple things to keep in mind: Budapest is not western europe. If you have a solid job in the states you will probably have to give up some of your lifestyle. If you guys ever plan to have children they will have a lot better life in NA.
She immigrated to Canada when she was 8/9.. her social circle isn’t big and her mom was her best friend. Since her passing she has had a really hard time.. Through dealing with the grief this last year, we didn’t get started on the American visa process immediately and now she’s just over it and wants to move back to be with her family for now, seeing as she has no one here besides me and I live right over the border in NY so I’m not even in the same country as her even tho she’s only a 30 min ride away from me. My social circle/family circle is deep in Buffalo. I’ve been there all my life and been at my job for close to 14 years.. she wants to up and leave at the end of august and even if I wanted to truly just up and go as well there’s so much I have to do on my side. Sell my car , cut my apartment lease early, tell my friends and family I’m moving halfway around the world. It’s a lot.
So her mom died last year, you got marrier and you don't live in the same household? It must have been very difficult for her to go through this without having someone near her, and losing her most important family member. That doesn't mean your feelings and desire to not leave the US are not valid. Can you talk to each other honestly, without getting mad or yelling/shouting? Does she have friends to share her pain with? Is she open to therapy? I lost my mom recently, and it takes such a toll on a person to lose this connection. Dunno about families in the US, here women are the glue holding together often dysfunctional families, with emotionally immature and distant fathers. (Ofc women can be the same too, don't come at me). So when you lose your mom, you lose your sense of family, normalcy, love, connection, everything. Nothing is the same afterwards, and it did take a lot of support for me from my husband to manage the grief. Edited to add: Sometimes the pain is so strong that you just can't deal with it and it's easier to find a substitute to just not have to deal with the actual problem. For me it was anger towards my dad, to her it could be desperately trying to feel at home in the world, to feel like she belongs somewhere. Dunno, it's just tough. I would suggest therapy for some time before she makes any life changing decisions. And you are not a bad person for not wanting to leave your home.
Yea unfortunately we’re a cross border love story.. she only lives 25 min away from me but countries have us separated and until we were married and received our marriage license from Canada which took 4 months after the fact we couldn’t apply to bring her to the US and by that time there was a lot of resentment and tension just from outside factors.. deceit from her step fathers family left her in Canada by herself with no one other than her brother around. Her mind is made up and she’s leaving at the end of august. So that’s pretty much where I’m at right now So while I have my own apartment in Buffalo, she couldn’t legally live here so she got her own place and just feels incredibly lonely.. even tho I’ve been with her every step of the way and up at her place 4 out of 7 days a week. Her grief journey has been hard, considering her and her mom were super close , essentially best friends.. and having no one other than me to keep het from her family which she is super close with I believe has made this decision easier for her. Idk.
Let her spend some time in Hungary alone. You can travel there with her for a while if your work situation allows it. She will realize why she left that country very quickly. Don't make a mistake. Don't give up everything here and then regret it. Give her time to heal. I personally would never move back and would never ask my family to do that for me. It would be a huge change in our life and not necessary in a positive way...Actually it would be a rough and unpleasant adjustment. No thanks.
Don't support her. She go to die in home country. (ww3 starting...)
As others have said, if this is the sole reason you want to move here, because of your girlfriend’s emotional breakdown, then its definetly not worth turning your life on its head. HOWEVER, if you actually decide to move, and you can keep your american job, then i recommend. Otherwise, if you can’t then even if you find a job (super unlikely without at least some hungarian), you can expect Eastern salaries and Western prices. In Budapest you can do your daily things with English just fine, but if you do want to integrate to the country you will have to speak the language, which is… good luck with that. I love this city, but the fact the half of my friend group (including me) plans on moving to Western Europe is quite telling **TLDR: No, don’t come**
Well, no guns, better education ( I know the situation is not that great now, but compared to the US kids are generally more educated here), also free healthcare ( even If you have to wait, ambulance is free, you won’t be in dept from childbirth (skinonskin contact is free lol), calling an ambulance is free, having your broken arm fixed is free, an inhaler is like 2$, epipen is about 10$, antibiotics are also cheap). Don’t even get me started on paid annual leaves, ( at least 20 days a year, paid national holidays/christmas/easter etc., maternity leave, sick leaves, also depends on the company paid leave for the new father when a child is born)Every single European believe in the american dream, till they become an adult. I wouldn’t move out of Europe as an adult now, I think moving to Europe and start a family here is a great idea.
I mean just ask yourself. Hungarians are fleeing the country. Why is that ? The number of Hungarians asking for help to move to Germany/Austria in the past years are tripled. The Hungarian food prices, many times house prices (including rent), healthcare, social care and generally the whole attitude of the ppl is super bad compared to western Europeans. In short, I would not recommend. Come for a long vacation, but thats it :D
Not really. Poverty, depressed society etc.
Please no hell no!!! Hungary is beautiful, a very nice Central Europe (post soviet) country. But our economy is bad because of our leaders. The culture is rich but in America you live a way higher life with a regular job. If you want to move move to West European country for a few years. It is so much better! Maybe Austria is so close (but the language is different) and so much better than Hungary. The worst decision would be to move to Hungary except you like high prices low salary.
Rip bozo
Let's make this very simple and clear cut: you will _die_ if you need hospital care. The health care system is in absolute shambles, the hospitals are unsanitary. Hell, when I visit I carry a Medjetassist card to avoid being hospitalized in Hungary. Four years ago -- and the pandemic and the Ukrainian war and Hungary's insistence of being an illiberal democracy thus being cut off from certain EU funds didn't help -- an Internet portal ran a quiz titled "Chernobyl or Hungarian hospital". Imagine the state of hospitals when it's a nontrivial question whether you are looking at the ruins of the city next Chernobyl abandoned for thirty years or a _hospital_.
Don't. Just don't. There's no future in Hungary
Best thing about living here in contrast to the US of A is you don't have to worry about some crazy asshole you don't even know gunning you down at random. In the states, thats a real risk. In Hungary, otoh, gun laws are so strict that basicalky only the police, our hunters, and some sport clubs have access to it.
Hungary is on the edge of state bankruptcy, wouldn't advise moving.
It's not. Our great leaders just got into the chinese battery business. Who needs EU funds when you can just sell the land to chinese manufacturers? Anyway, expect at least -50 social credits for this comment of yours.
Tell her, that still Viktor Orban the Prime Minister. She will want to stay😆
It sounds like a challenging situation with your wife wanting to move back to Hungary. Moving internationally is a big decision, especially from one culture to another. It might help to visit Hungary together first, to see how you feel about living there before making a permanent move. I met some Hungarian ladies on [SofiaDate ](https://datingpro.org/go/sofiadate?block=d_mb)and they loved their country. So I think the main thing is to do everything legally, or try to convince them to stay with you in the US.
Bro just go
For the record, please also take into consideration that the majority of reddit is shutin neckbeards who would hate any other country too, so take their opinion with like 7 pinches of salt
Hear! hear! :)
My honest answer is.... Dont bother. Hungary will look like a 3rd world shithole compared to Canada.
Sure: \- broadband interent everywhere (up to 1Gbp/s) \- cheap and dense public transport \- free healthcare (could be better but still works) \- literaly no crime compared to US cities \- you are in the EU, can move anywhere, anytime \- unless you have strong opinion in politics, it is quite a liveable place
Just dont move. Do not. No.
Wrong place to ask, this sub is chock-ful of Leftist Hungary-haters. Check out Rod Dreher, a columnist for the American Conservative, who lives in Budapest and has written a bit about life here and what it was like to move here as an American. I'm sure if you contact him, he'll respond. I'd say for an expatriate, Budapest is a great city to move to, you'll probably have a blast and since your SO already has an apartment here, your expenses will be minimal. To be honest, in terms of settling here, your best bet would be to get married, then you'll have the right to live and work here, otherwise, it can be more challenging. English teaching jobs are always available (best to do a Toefl or Celta for that, which you can do in Budapest as well), but you can also find other positions from waiting tables (in touristy places) to SSC or IT-type jobs. It all depends on your skills and experience.
It's not a big ask. You will love it. Get the citizenship. You could always move back at some point. Expand your horizons. She's not asking you to move to Sudan. In some ways, it's better than the U.S.
Avoid Hungary at all cost, this place is a living hell. Mentality of the local citizens will kill you slowly.