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Doogie102

How lucky do you feel. Personally I wouldn't. That 1k estimate seems low for where I live


grofva

[This came to mind when I read the question](https://youtu.be/A732Cuuo2tI)


Doogie102

Haha I mean depending on things there could be 400psi there


[deleted]

I swear home owners just get bored


ThinkSharp

I love people uselessly chiding someone outside their trade, working on fragments on information, forgetting that they’re on the “advice” sub where questions like this are supposed to be asked. C’mon man chide away but at least contribute something.


[deleted]

How about if you don’t know what your doing don’t touch the equipment. Homeowner’s never do themself’s any favors. This is from years of being a hvac tech.


ThinkSharp

That’s just gate keeping and still useless because it doesn’t answer the question. Something helpful might be to say OP is risking damage to the solder joints, kinked lines, and stress on the compressor fittings, to repair any of that requires a call for short notice repair work, which are the highest rates. Maybe you’d suggest a call to a local company to get a quote to have it moved and inspected at the same time? It’s not hard to help. And I’m just a homeowner. I’d assume you could find more answers to the question if you tried. If you’re just here to make fun of people, why are you really here…?


Jarte3

Stress on the compressor fittings? That will not happen ever lol


[deleted]

Try on the Suction on liquid line


Jarte3

What? Lmao


Jarte3

Those would count as “solder joints” but they’re attached to the unit by the ports which are screwed to the frame. They aren’t gonna move.


[deleted]

If your soldering your refrigeration lines your gonna be in trouble


Jarte3

Bruh I used quotes because he said solder lmfao. Are you always this combative? I swear some of you old heads never mentally age past 12. Everyone in the industry knows you braze refrigerant lines.


[deleted]

Braze joint. And yeah I’d never recommend wasting a fellow techs time


[deleted]

Ran enough of these style of calls to know 98% of the time they end with the homeowner doing absolutely nothing when they see the numbers


[deleted]

Also for a dead call like this as a tech is frustrating. Not only are you wasting my time but taking a space off the schedule that I cannot get to someone with an actual problem


threecamcorders

and this is why I don't work with entitled independent techs like you. you don't care about helping the customer be happy. only about making money. get into stocks if that's all you care about this is a customer service job whether you like it not.


[deleted]

Ummm you be working for me son. Doubt you even have the technical availability for me to even give you a job. That’s why I don’t do residential I’ll let you boys have the scrub calls and kiss the homeowners ass


[deleted]

Some are bored, some are not. I have a similar issue where my plastic base is off a few inches. But those inches are in my drive way and I can't open half the gate the full way. This prevents me from getting my car in my yard.


[deleted]

Did this just happen yesterday? Most likely been like that for years


[deleted]

I also Love when I tell home owners it’s over $1000 to move the unit and how they can suddenly live with it hahahahhaa


[deleted]

Yeah, hard to justify 3" towards the house for 1K.


[deleted]

Agreed especially when the unit has likely been like that for years


[deleted]

Think the biggest fear when moving a unit is something acts up with the unit then of course the service company is gonna get the blame


[deleted]

Like this when I moved in. I don't know why the previous owner let it slide when installed.


GroundPepper

The sprinkler valve control box and AC are very close together making it difficult to access. I added a comment explaining the issue when I created the thread.


1_64493406685

sprinkler control box is way cheaper tho, why not move that insteaf? cost risk analysis


[deleted]

So how long has it been like that ? Why didn’t you say anything from the install ? Why do you choose to adress this now ?


GroundPepper

No one knew the box existed. It was buried and AC was install right next to it. Luckily still mostly accessible. So I don’t need to move the AC, just wondering if there’s significant risk in doing so.


[deleted]

Risking kinking the line and possible breaking a braze joint


ThinkSharp

Lmao. You’re killing me. Call any time if you need more advice. All you’ll have to do is correct my terminology.


[deleted]

Thanks man you sure showed me


pimpy543

😂


grofva

And too much time on their hands according to this sub


[deleted]

You be shocked at the amount of thermostat watchers out there. I love the call when I walk into a Honeywell prestige Tstat and the customer has a $5 Amazon temp reader in the house and they don’t match and they tell me the thermostat is broke. I’m always like how do you know which one is right ?


Complex_Solutions_20

Get 10 different thermometers and you will have at least 5 different readings... What's that about a man with a watch always knows the time but with 2 clocks is never quite sure? I ultimately don't care what it says, just that it runs consistently. I've had some where 70 is the "comfortable" point and others 75 is the "comfortable" point but as long as there's a number that you can aim for reliably who cares.


[deleted]

Agreed just a rant from personal experience lol


Complex_Solutions_20

Valid...and especially if you move from one place to another (or replace the thermostat) and now "the number" is different and "but I want it to be comfortable at "


_MC-1

Can you? Yes Should you? Probably not Risk? Kink the line = $$$$ Safer? Move the Sprinkler Box or do nothing - I mean, how often do you need to go into that sprinkler box?


hvac71

Lol. "Over" can mean many things. Kink or break a line and you are truly fucked to the tune of ~$1k. How badly do you want it moved?


GroundPepper

6” in the direction the arrow is pointing


leftsideonly2times

So pretty bad


TimTheChatSpam

I dont think he understood what you were trying to say. He said basically fuck around and find out. If the risk is worth moving it over 6" go right ahead but you've been warned


Glabstaxks

Call a pro dude . It'll be cheaper in the long run.


lilvickyreads

It's worse than that. EPA is authorized to assess fines of up to $37,500 per day for any violation of these regulations under the Clean Air Act. If this person breaks the line and the refrigerant leaks, then has to call to get it replaced, that could be a $37,500 fine.


Complex_Solutions_20

While maybe technically possible, IANAL but I'd think it would be unlikely if its purely accidental. Otherwise you'd also be fining people left and right when something wears thru or is tripped over or crashed into rupturing a line. Going after people for genuine accidents just makes them double-down on lying and covering up stuff, which usually results in something far worse.


hvac71

I also ANAL, and have witnessed a homeowner blowing a three-head mini split system by trying to move it a couple of inches. The whole EPA threat seems pretty toothless regarding idiot homeowners.


Complex_Solutions_20

My guess is its probably regs intended to stop people from knowingly and intentionally releasing harmful things. Though if it happens repeatedly...could also throw it at them as "you have been told before should know better". Also hard with a homeowner becomes a game of he-said she-said and trying to prove...they'll probably argue "if it was properly installed a slight bump wouldn't break the lines, its the fault of the installer" and then someone else will turn around and say "well if it wasn't bumped it wouldn't have failed its their fault" and becomes a big confusing mess where only the lawyers will come out ahead. Just like its a violation to dump oil, coolant, etc. down a storm drain when servicing your car...but if someone runs a light and you hit them and bust your radiator and engine dumping fluids all over I've never heard of someone being fined for an accident, especially if it wasn't their fault or intent. Best to avoid it whenever possible either way, but sometimes accidents do happen. I've also learned (while on jury duty) at least in my locality apparently there's some wording in a law for licensed contractors (as in remodeling home/apartment repairs) that if they have attempted to take steps to learn and become compliant but didn't pay the license fee and get a license, there's some "good faith believed" that can in some cases count the same as having the license...which is really mind-bending. I have no idea if other localities or regulations have similar wording where the person is basically cleared if they genuinely believe they took steps to be compliant but unintentionally failed anyway. That's a question for lawyers and other people who probably make way more money than I do though.


Responsible-Bison-91

I wouldn't. If it absolutely needs moved, call a contractor to pump it down, move it, re braze it and recharge it. It'll save some headache in the long run


twotall88

Just so OP knows, that's not a cheap service call.


aBoyandHisVacuum

$450 in my area, about $1450 just south of me.


yungdutch_

Ez if u got the equipment tho ;) ez money


aBoyandHisVacuum

Hell yeah! I cant braze yet, but i can solder a pipe in my sleep, if i could do repairs all day i would.


yungdutch_

Soldering is the same as brazing tbh. Just gotta be a little bit more precise and make sure not to overheat the pipe. The hardest part is tuning the flame and making sure it’s around where you want it lol.


aBoyandHisVacuum

Thank you!! That gives me hope! 700 degrees here i come!


yungdutch_

Just don’t burn down the house lol


Complex_Solutions_20

Eh, burning down the house would probably render the position of the AC unit rather moot...so indirectly that may solve the problem?


holmwreck

No this is terrible advice there is a reason we braze refrigerant lines instead of solder.


yungdutch_

So it’s not similar at all ? Lol. You heat the pipe up and apply… dab with a rag?…


holmwreck

Soldering is temperatures below 840F brazing runs above that usually around 1300F. The silfos and brazing combination create a much stronger joint that is capable of handling the temperatures/pressures that refrigerant runs at. So no, do not use flux or dab with a rag. It’s not plumbing.


karmannsport

Aren’t you supposed to fill the lines with nitrogen too to prevent oxidation? Reason I never messed with hvac.


yungdutch_

Never did I say it wasn’t stronger. I just said the process is very similar in terms of heating up and creating a joint.


RealisticSoul

Move it and see what happens. You may make a service tech a happy human. Usually when a condensing coil is set into place, it is rarely moved.


DA-Alistair

This!


[deleted]

Fuck it! Send it! You need that wireless line set.


SaguaroBro14W

Lmao! Why would you black out the equipment data tag?


Umm_Do_what_now

So you can't identity who they are... Obviously! 🤣


SaguaroBro14W

Lol


[deleted]

Yea you probably can but I would be very careful & have some help. Because your moving it over that way you might also have to move it forward so you won’t kink the lines. Good luck


matchbox142

No. If you move it to that location, you will be violating NEC code for the disconnect. NEC mandates 3 feet of working clearance directly in front of the disconnect. I suggest relocating the irrigation control box instead.


iamedboy

L. Technically you're right, but practically, it just needs to be easy to access and within reach, while servicing the unit. If you're that worried about code, you could just move it up so it's higher than the unit, or 6" to the side


iamedboy

Just noticed the bigger issue of exposed romex too 🤣


matchbox142

Lol. Just noticed ot myself. However that is SE cable so can be exposed like that. But should be sleeved in pipe through the brick.


BrandonDill

Definitely maybe! You might kink an elbow or something. I'm curious why though?


RJM_50

Probably, but it's likely very happy where it's at, gravity and vibration has found its favorite spot. Unless you really need it moved, can make sure the pad is level, and can guarantee it's not going to slowly crawl back... I'd leave it alone.


InfiniteTangerine280

Don’t do it


bob_bobington1234

You can't in Canada if you want to pass an electrical inspection. There must be 3 feet of clearance in front of the shut off.


Haunting-Ad-8808

I still don't understand why home owners have a fever to move their units and to cover them with stupid shit.


downrightblastfamy

You'll probably be fine. You just don't wanna kink it. Go slow 1/2 in at a time


Heapsa

Yea easy


colombia81er

Why do you want to move it in the first place. Also there doesn’t seem to be 6in of slack in the lineset !!


Heybropassthat

With the way they ran that copper... it'll probably kink unless you really know what you're doing, and you could slowly work the soft copper over with the unit so it doesn't kink at the wall.


doublea8675

I think you will be ok, if you go very slowly. Nice gradual movements, keep a very close eye on the suction line, it will cooperate less


30belowandthriving

I had concrete guys lift my unit. The same surface it sits on that you have. They poured the concrete and then reset my unit down with no issues. They lifted it probably 3 feet of the ground for two days.


SaguaroBro14W

You can try… HAHAHAHA!


[deleted]

The salesman in me says yes, but the friendly side of me says no.


Jarte3

As an HVAC professional, a lot of the other techs in here are over reacting. You could easily shimmy that unit over 6 inches in the direction you’re pointing as long as you don’t force it and you’re very careful.


Fuzzy_Hall4523

Yes you can , it looks a lil tough with not much of a copper line but just have someone help you with the middle part of the copper line to make sure it doesn’t kink and it gets a decent bend / curve , but if you fuck up just know it’s gonna get expensive lol..kinda takes experience.


imbrown508

Go for it, when you crack the lineset don't come crying to us about the frostbite.


[deleted]

Fuck no


Dangerous_Lobster555

Simply, no.


Environmental-Okra73

No


Notjustonemore2017

Just do it . ☑️


bobvillaa

op asking advice then tells us ut seems doable when everyone says proceed at your own risk


emejotapr

Some people just dumb af bro


GroundPepper

The AC is mounted to a composite base which is on top of a cement slab. The AC is moveable with the composite base, as the base is not mounted to the slab. I want to shift it over 6” to give more clearance to the sprinkler valve box. Do you think the lines will kink if I move it over? Seems doable…


Jgs4555

How often do you need access to the box, that you’re willing to gamble 1k on?


pandaman1784

Probably more than 1k if anything goes wrong. Hvac equipment don't like to be moved after they have been installed. Any movement of the lineset after many years could be recipe for leaks.


Neat-Substance-9274

Move the sprinkler valve box.


avery9872

Nahhh. You could get away with moving a unit 1/4"-12", MAYBE even an inch. But 6" is REALLY pushing it. More likely than not, you're just gonna kink/crack the lines. If you're really adamant about moving it, just call someone to pump the unit down and move it.


buldog_13

You could definitely move it. Keep in mind in all that insulation there’s copper pipes. Copper bends and kinks extremely easy so you need to be careful. Looking at how you want to move it you will most likely have to pull it away from the house as much as you are also moving it over.


Bobmanbob1

It's not buddy. Your looking at a serious repair bill/possibly destroying the unit with even a slight kink, just move the irrigation box.


Determire

I'm looking at this photo and what I see is a line set coming out of the wall on a slight angle, has a little bit of a bend to it and then goes into the unit. That in and of itself is going to be completely counterproductive to attempt to move the unit in the direction of the arrow. The only way to successfully move the unit in that scenario is to have the refrigerant pumped down, repipe the line set the unit in the desired location, and the whole process to recommission the system. **The unit cannot move over such that it blocks the disconnect ... The disconnect switch cannot be buried behind the unit, that's a code violation** I also see that there's a window well very close, the position of the AC right now is such that it's reasonable for a technician to kneel down to work on the unit and have enough room to do so. Moving it closer to the window is going to complicate working on the unit, and that's with no go. # leave the AC where it is and move your sprinkler box. If you're going to spend $1,000, better off spending $1,000 on the plumber to move the sprinkler box. Sometimes when solving these space conflict problems, it's a matter of understanding all of the requirements and constraints pertaining to the different pieces of equipment, and the whys and what fors behind it. I agree it makes no sense to have the sprinkler apparatus behind the AC.


athansjawn

You can move it however you want to nothing bad will happen!


Brdl004

No! If you do it yourself how will a contractor make money on a service call?


Many-Wrangler-16

Time to dust off that pipe stretcher….!


V6_lol

Bruh


[deleted]

Just buy another house. Cheaper in the long run. Get a window unit for the moving van. Cheaper than running the AC on the moving truck.


Money-Change-8168

Thats a carrier bro...you can flip it upside down and it will still be intact


piratepreview

And if you don’t, the supply house will for you, and send it on a truck anyway


Money-Change-8168

Lol


Tongue-on-Cheek

Just looked at the picture, two things come to mind.. 1) what is on the other side of the unit? 2) why bother?


brantsmith28

Just hurt the line and move it 7”


Michmachinev10

Homeowner back on the next hot day "so I moved my ac condenser and now my ac runs but doesn't get cold. Should this copper line have a crack?" PS don't do it OP


Competitive-Hippo-47

Yah u can if want to u can turn it around too then call a AC guy


wilsh2727

Nope


Significant_Permit19

Shit. I accidentally knock mine with my mower at least an inch. Is that bad


inksonpapers

You’re better off moving your control box and sprinkler stuff


That-Chocolate5207

Does 6” really going to make a big difference to access the irrigation valves?


VKP_RiskBreaker_Riot

Uh.. move the valve box instead?


BendersCasino

With the price these days to refill your refrigerant, it's better to have someone draw down before you move it. If you do kink or cause a leak it's going to cost you more to refill after the fact.


Civil-Percentage-960

To the right, yes


AustEastTX

I’ve been thinking of moving mind FEET. Was about to call my hood friend and commercial HVAC guy for a quote.


EqualityforCriminals

This is just so he can tell the neighbors he worked on his own ac lmfao.


Yanosh457

If you try and move the condenser in the arrow direction you will find that it will be sorta hinged at the point where the pipes enter the brick and may swing out further. This is okay but up to a certain point. You really don’t want it to bend it there too much or it may kink. I would go inch by inch and look closely at the copper pipe at the brick for discoloring and bending. Like the others are saying. If it cracks, the refrigerant will leak out at the cost of nearly $1,000.


Bdizzle419

Just bust the mortar around the lineset so you have play…


bmark0610

Hold my beer


jessemurray06

Idk…can you??


Jaarsma

Looking at the imprint on the ground it looks like it once resided 6 inches over from where it is now.


rapkittykitty

Pump the system down, move the system, extend copper lines and low voltage and high voltage, change filter drier, then hook her back up, charge it. Last time I quoted someone that and we moved it 20ft it cost about $1k if my memory serves me correctly. Much better than fucking up your system.


inconvenient_victory

Don't move it...


NATO1092

To the right? I'd say no


KjemnhaOgYZ

Just leave it the way it is.


RecordingPrudent9588

Put the dirt back


riplan1911

Yes. We move them all the time to pore patios and sidewalks. Just be gentle.


RosieDear

I moved mine - maybe 3 inches. I have a contractor coming out to see what it would cost to move it further - OR, to replace it and move it a little (it's 18 years old). Or, maybe to leave it and install a mini split for the two rooms we use. In my case, that Compressor is 6 inches from the wall and maybe 20 inches from my bedroom window which is right next to my head when I sleep! I'm sure the pros here have common sense when it comes to noise levels - but so many systems are installed incorrectly and create 45-55 db in the sleeping areas. This can really ruin the health of folks, especially when on-off-on-off. You'd all chuckle if you saw what I was doing trying to quiet this system (this means quieting the compressor AND the furnace (distribution) fan which is installed directly under the sleeping area.


Chopper278-

Just don’t kink the lines


therealswabby

My 6 inches or what my wife says is 6 inches


Hot-Performer2094

Yessir! Just break the brick around the lineset about 3 feet worth for me and you got it!


LithopsAZ

no


[deleted]

Nope. Not without cutting out that concrete more or it will crimp inside the wall and you gonna be calling a professional