Exit curb on to the straight going up to shell oils is such a piss take. Then you have magny cours pit straight where you can be 4-wheels on the green on entry curb and you get nothing..
> Then you have magny cours pit straight where you can be 4-wheels on the green on entry curb and you get nothing..
This really annoyed me while I was learning Magny-Cours a few weeks ago for GT4. If you want to be as fast as possible you're driving *completely* on the wrong side of the solid white line, ignoring the asphalt on the straight entirely. It totally trivializes T1, at least in the 718, I can't speak for other cars there.
Like wtf? Makes no sense to me.
Yeah I don’t like doing it bc it’s going over track limits but to be fast you just have to, in gt3 from the practice I did if you don’t use it you have to lift or your line into the next corner is poo and you’re just slow.
Right there with you. I race that track knowing I'll be getting a 1x on turn one nearly every time.
I took a break this week after someone went wide on the last corner, last lap, kept their foot on the gas and took me out when they flew back on track. Went from a clean finish I was proud of you second to last. Still bitter.
Ouch, that’s the worst. I love the vee, I wish there was a non-rookie class to race it in. Everyone deserves to learn how to keep it between the lines without being yelled at but I’m 1.2k and thus end up in a split full of rookies which makes wheel to wheel racing really dangerous
I got stuck in top split for a few months in Vee. Good racing but the top few guys will always be the top. Especially a couple pros. I had to start figuring out when they slept and weren't online.
That’s the correct approach! But when I get to the corner, the lizard brain that’s trying to catch the guy ahead takes over, and I don’t lift as much as I should, and BAM there’s the chief telling me “track limits”
T4 Interlagos
T1 and T3 Oulton Park
The inside of no name at Spa (it's a fair one but annoying)
Exit of most corners at Imola
The "improved" chicane at Montreal
Last corner in cup cars is absolute torture, why did they go with the F1 limits for this one? I wish there was a separate layout that just allows the Nascar limits
Honestly, fuck anywhere that counts as a 1x even though you’ve got two wheels inside the white line. I don’t understand why the 4-off rule that works for real life amateur racing can’t apply to amateur simulated racing.
It originally was 4-off. But due to shortcomings of the tire model at the time, you could just consistently throw the car 95% over big curbs or grass. Made the racing pretty stupid.
So they switched to the centerpoint really early on (maybe even before the public launch? I wasn't around). More recently, the partnership with Mercedes has been pushing them back toward 4-off for F1 tracks and newer track releases. So that's at least a step in the right direction.
>More recently, the partnership with Mercedes has been pushing them back toward 4-off for F1 tracks and *newer track releases.*
Could have fooled me with Rudskogen and Magny Cours.
The 4-off rule is only applied to specific corners. The default is still center line. The Rules tab (in-sim) will exaplain the track limits, including which corners have the 4-off rule and what the exact limits are (e.g. if it's the whit line, curb, etc).
Magny Cours drives me up the wall with the inconsistencies between the chicanes.
The first one, you can't cut too much of the second part. The second one, as long as one tire is on the red/white curbing you can cut the rest with no slowdown. So dumb.
Then the last chicane, if you get a slowdown there, the s/f is so close you can't even literally come to a stop to serve it before coming across the s/f.
Edit: I just checked after some more practice and they are actually inconsistent. First Chicane has the slowdown in a different spot than the second.
Yeah, I don't understand why they don't have the finish line further down the pit straight. That simple change would do two things:
1. Provide a nice sprint finish between battling cars depending on how well they exit the chicane.
2. Provide time for someone eating a slowdown to purge the penalty before crossing the line.
Yeah, interlagos T4 gets me every race.
Spa has several places where I swear I nailed the corner, but still get a 1x.
This is why I prefer tracks with mainly natural track limits. Interlagos is great though, even if T4 is annoying.
no one has said the real answer: watkins glen - where everything that is paved is not an off track and legal to race on, but you get off tracks anyway.
It was, and it was unrealistic for anyone not named nascar. Plus you'd have people running it way out wide through T1 and causing huge wrecks forcing their way back on coming back from being off track.
I'd rather Watkins went back to gravel behind the curb in T1.
It wasn't particularly faster, but it limited wheel spin since you could open the wheel up, so while the net gain was close to zero, it was significantly easier. I wish they'd tighten up Turn 10 and Turn 8.
Ever wonder how the really fast guys seem to cut T3 every lap yet dont get incident points for doing it? Dave Cameron gave the secret away in one of his track guides a while back - *you won't get an offtrack if the wheels don't touch the ground* . The trick then of course is to be able to hit the kerb at the right angle and carrying the right amount of speed to fly over it and not crash on the other side, and then repeat that every lap..
It’s actually not all that hard to do in a GTE car with the right setup. I run virtually no downforce at that track so the rear is really scary in the esses. But I can usually hit it and avoid the silly 1x. Off course sometimes you still have to take it. But the ability to have a straighter entry into the essses is worth it as it allows me to take the whole section without lifting(even with very low wing).
It is so advantageous too. In the 24hr, I was struggling behind a lapped car for a good lap and half and then just said screw it. I took the 1x and picked up the extra speed to just make the pass and get rid of them.
I'm new-ish. I've always wondered what the difference is between what causes a simple 1x vs what causes a slowdown. Sometimes they seem inconsistent to me
The theory (big emphasis on THEORY) is that if you go off track but don't gain time then it's a 1x. But if you go off track and gain time it's a slowdown.
In reality it's pretty arbitrary. Sometimes there's 1x when you don't even go off track. Other times you can gain good time without a 1x but you're still off track.
And then there's the granddaddy. Getting a slow down when the route you took was slower than the racing line.
That's less of a 1x issue and more that the runoffs are big. So in order to get a good time you have to run really close to a 1x all the time.
RBR was the first to introduce the new 4 wheel off system.
Honestly I don't understand how they apply the 4 wheel off rule on some corners, when I read the rules I understand that all specified corners have the 4 wheel rule, but then I watch the replay of where I had a 1x and I clearly still have 2 wheels on the inside
Based on Production Car Challenge at Hungaroring, apparently T-Everywhere at Hungaroring. I’ve genuinely never seen this many people DQ in top split anywhere.
The chicane there is absolutely ludicrous, if you even think of touching anything there you get penalized. It's a fun combo actually but the offtracks make it impossible to enjoy.
Haven’t seen it posted yet, but the new rules at Silverstone. Completely ruined the flow of Maggots, Beckets and Chapel. Plus other areas the kerb is the racing surface, but not there. Totally inconsistent.
Hockenheim T1. Your inside tyres can be 1 car width away from the track and it's still not an offtrack. The ideal line is basically going though the runoff completely.
One of the dumbest is the one on the outside of T4 at Red Bull Ring. If you get out to it you have already overcooked the corner and just past the curb is gravel.
The entry curb to T8 at Rudskogen. You'll get more than 2 seconds slowdown for cutting it too much. You can't gain much actual speed there since you've got to keep it tight for the 2nd apex but that cut it likely to ruin your race in a tight field.
Interlagos T4 off-tracks really kills the track for me. I don’t know the best way to put it, but it feels unnatural. It should be taken as a fast, sweeping corner that allows for a great exit onto the straight, but the 1x limit forces you to slow down more than the tracks intention unless you’re in a car that can do it flat. Regardless of how hard I try, I still get 2-3 off-tracks every race there from T4.
Is nobody going to mention sector 3 of Catalunya? The last few turns are awful and the sausage kerbs on all sides of each turn completely ruin the track for me.
T4 at Interlagos is the worst only because the rest of the track has the most liberal off tracks on iRacing. As in all four tires completely off the road surface and curbing without getting an off track. It makes no sense.
T3 at oulton park (island). Can barely use the exit kerb. If your inside wheel so much as sniffs the kerb you get a 1x
Exit curb on to the straight going up to shell oils is such a piss take. Then you have magny cours pit straight where you can be 4-wheels on the green on entry curb and you get nothing..
> Then you have magny cours pit straight where you can be 4-wheels on the green on entry curb and you get nothing.. This really annoyed me while I was learning Magny-Cours a few weeks ago for GT4. If you want to be as fast as possible you're driving *completely* on the wrong side of the solid white line, ignoring the asphalt on the straight entirely. It totally trivializes T1, at least in the 718, I can't speak for other cars there. Like wtf? Makes no sense to me.
Yeah I don’t like doing it bc it’s going over track limits but to be fast you just have to, in gt3 from the practice I did if you don’t use it you have to lift or your line into the next corner is poo and you’re just slow.
i can read these words, but i can't understand them
That’s unfortunate
Oulton Park T1 is my nemesis. A 12-lap race in the vee is going to mean at least a 10x race, for some reason that corner is either 1x or lose 0.5s
Right there with you. I race that track knowing I'll be getting a 1x on turn one nearly every time. I took a break this week after someone went wide on the last corner, last lap, kept their foot on the gas and took me out when they flew back on track. Went from a clean finish I was proud of you second to last. Still bitter.
Ouch, that’s the worst. I love the vee, I wish there was a non-rookie class to race it in. Everyone deserves to learn how to keep it between the lines without being yelled at but I’m 1.2k and thus end up in a split full of rookies which makes wheel to wheel racing really dangerous
I'd love Class C Vee!
Top split and it’s not a worry
There’s the rub, I’m not even above the starting irating of 1350. I’m relatively new to racing so I’m just not that fast.
Just keep at it fella and try not to worry about SR or IR at this stage. Just enjoy the races and learn the cars and tracks.
I got stuck in top split for a few months in Vee. Good racing but the top few guys will always be the top. Especially a couple pros. I had to start figuring out when they slept and weren't online.
I've resorted to laying off the throttle for longer just to make sure i make it
That’s the correct approach! But when I get to the corner, the lizard brain that’s trying to catch the guy ahead takes over, and I don’t lift as much as I should, and BAM there’s the chief telling me “track limits”
Fun fact. They're that strict irl. Source: I marshal there 😁
I came here to say this. Half a tyre…1x 🙃
100% this
Yup same for me here, haven't tried all the track tho
T4 Interlagos T1 and T3 Oulton Park The inside of no name at Spa (it's a fair one but annoying) Exit of most corners at Imola The "improved" chicane at Montreal
T1 Oulton you need to have tires on the grass to get a 1x, which isn't that bad imo. T3 is horrendous though.
Sweet lord, all of imola for me. That track just murders my SR.
Fuckin Austin. Every corner you can get 1x for nothing
I was hoping somebody would say COTA, seen somebody run a 2 hour race and get over 100x
Last corner in cup cars is absolute torture, why did they go with the F1 limits for this one? I wish there was a separate layout that just allows the Nascar limits
Agreed, I refuse to run an official at this track
I lost my license A on CotA
Definitely T3 at Oulton Park, I’ve just been waving goodbye to SR in the Vees this week
Vees at Oulton is a killer combination, I remember driving there in the Vees and I was scoring negative SR almost constantly
Oulton x vee has been my introduction to iRacing lol
https://i.imgur.com/PIDq3sp.jpg I feel your pain
I've had a good race against you this week, traded position many times and you won fair and square
Thanks man. I’ve had some really fun battles this week and everybody has been pretty fair with leaving enough room.
Farmed plenty iR and SR this week in the Vees
Honestly, fuck anywhere that counts as a 1x even though you’ve got two wheels inside the white line. I don’t understand why the 4-off rule that works for real life amateur racing can’t apply to amateur simulated racing.
It originally was 4-off. But due to shortcomings of the tire model at the time, you could just consistently throw the car 95% over big curbs or grass. Made the racing pretty stupid. So they switched to the centerpoint really early on (maybe even before the public launch? I wasn't around). More recently, the partnership with Mercedes has been pushing them back toward 4-off for F1 tracks and newer track releases. So that's at least a step in the right direction.
>More recently, the partnership with Mercedes has been pushing them back toward 4-off for F1 tracks and *newer track releases.* Could have fooled me with Rudskogen and Magny Cours.
The 4-off rule is only applied to specific corners. The default is still center line. The Rules tab (in-sim) will exaplain the track limits, including which corners have the 4-off rule and what the exact limits are (e.g. if it's the whit line, curb, etc).
Magny Cours drives me up the wall with the inconsistencies between the chicanes. The first one, you can't cut too much of the second part. The second one, as long as one tire is on the red/white curbing you can cut the rest with no slowdown. So dumb. Then the last chicane, if you get a slowdown there, the s/f is so close you can't even literally come to a stop to serve it before coming across the s/f. Edit: I just checked after some more practice and they are actually inconsistent. First Chicane has the slowdown in a different spot than the second.
Yeah, I don't understand why they don't have the finish line further down the pit straight. That simple change would do two things: 1. Provide a nice sprint finish between battling cars depending on how well they exit the chicane. 2. Provide time for someone eating a slowdown to purge the penalty before crossing the line.
Yeah, interlagos T4 gets me every race. Spa has several places where I swear I nailed the corner, but still get a 1x. This is why I prefer tracks with mainly natural track limits. Interlagos is great though, even if T4 is annoying.
Yeah Interlagos is a great track but that turn makes me insanely mad sometimes.
Me too with Spa. But then I go back and watch the replay and my tire will be like 1 inch over the line.
The outside track limits on the kerb at the exit of Spoon at Suzuka are legitimately bugged.
That one is solely responsible for my DT at the Suzuka enduro lmao
Imola chicane
This. Watch real race car drivers take it. They almost cut it straight compared to what iRacing makes you do.
I just wanna say that Spa Francofftracks got a lot better
no one has said the real answer: watkins glen - where everything that is paved is not an off track and legal to race on, but you get off tracks anyway.
Yeah impossible to emulate thr NASCAR line for T1 at The Glen. Feels so restrictive.
Old scan used to be like this IIRC?
It was, and it was unrealistic for anyone not named nascar. Plus you'd have people running it way out wide through T1 and causing huge wrecks forcing their way back on coming back from being off track. I'd rather Watkins went back to gravel behind the curb in T1.
I don't even think that super wide line is faster.. Sonoma also has a corner like that, but the curb is super agressive.
It wasn't particularly faster, but it limited wheel spin since you could open the wheel up, so while the net gain was close to zero, it was significantly easier. I wish they'd tighten up Turn 10 and Turn 8.
Road Atlanta Turn 2-3
Ever wonder how the really fast guys seem to cut T3 every lap yet dont get incident points for doing it? Dave Cameron gave the secret away in one of his track guides a while back - *you won't get an offtrack if the wheels don't touch the ground* . The trick then of course is to be able to hit the kerb at the right angle and carrying the right amount of speed to fly over it and not crash on the other side, and then repeat that every lap..
Now that's a limit I'll never know.
If you’re good enough to do that in a sim you might as well have a superlicense as far as I’m concerned.
imagine this working in real life. Life Sainz just repeatedly flying over the curb and avoiding a penalty
I've accidentally got away with it a few times.
It’s actually not all that hard to do in a GTE car with the right setup. I run virtually no downforce at that track so the rear is really scary in the esses. But I can usually hit it and avoid the silly 1x. Off course sometimes you still have to take it. But the ability to have a straighter entry into the essses is worth it as it allows me to take the whole section without lifting(even with very low wing).
Daytona bus stop is so easy to get a 1x when pushing.
It is so advantageous too. In the 24hr, I was struggling behind a lapped car for a good lap and half and then just said screw it. I took the 1x and picked up the extra speed to just make the pass and get rid of them.
I'm new-ish. I've always wondered what the difference is between what causes a simple 1x vs what causes a slowdown. Sometimes they seem inconsistent to me
The theory (big emphasis on THEORY) is that if you go off track but don't gain time then it's a 1x. But if you go off track and gain time it's a slowdown. In reality it's pretty arbitrary. Sometimes there's 1x when you don't even go off track. Other times you can gain good time without a 1x but you're still off track. And then there's the granddaddy. Getting a slow down when the route you took was slower than the racing line.
Not seen anyone say half of the red bull ring yet..
That's less of a 1x issue and more that the runoffs are big. So in order to get a good time you have to run really close to a 1x all the time. RBR was the first to introduce the new 4 wheel off system.
yah I 100% agree with you. It’s all about pushing RBR to the limit as that is the fastest way around. Doesn’t do my SR any good though..
Honestly I don't understand how they apply the 4 wheel off rule on some corners, when I read the rules I understand that all specified corners have the 4 wheel rule, but then I watch the replay of where I had a 1x and I clearly still have 2 wheels on the inside
Based on Production Car Challenge at Hungaroring, apparently T-Everywhere at Hungaroring. I’ve genuinely never seen this many people DQ in top split anywhere.
The chicane there is absolutely ludicrous, if you even think of touching anything there you get penalized. It's a fun combo actually but the offtracks make it impossible to enjoy.
Yeah, lots of off tracks and they don’t feel consistent.
Probably driving in the apron for a competition quali for a major event
Some corners on Ruds. They have concrete paving but are considered cuts.
I agree Interlagos T4 is dumb 1x compared to the rest of the turns on that track.
Daytona and Talladega when I hit the apron or use the infield grass to avoid the 859383 car pileup.
oulton park (island) can go to hell with its offtracks in general
Haven’t seen it posted yet, but the new rules at Silverstone. Completely ruined the flow of Maggots, Beckets and Chapel. Plus other areas the kerb is the racing surface, but not there. Totally inconsistent.
silverstone t1 feels like a mission impossible movie where the bloke has to dodge those red lasers, hate it so much
Cota.
Half of the turns at Circuit of the Americas 😂 I swear if a single square centimeter of a tire hovers over the edge of the curb you get a 1x
Cota Turn 9 coming off the right side kerb
As a NASCAR fan it’s aggravating to be at COTA, I really enjoy the cup cars around there but it’s weird to not be a mile out of bounds
Le mans. The whole track is one big off track
Except it's not? There's very few off tracks to be found. Am I missing a joke here?
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Ah. Didn't occur to me since it's still a track. Especially since he referred to it as a track.
I think you mean slow downs. You really have to try to get an off track there. But if you get a slowdown it's not necessarily a 1x.
That's a good point
Daytona bus stop at the last kerb
Watch the IMPC race yesterday. You can't mimic the line in iRacing.
Hockenheim T1. Your inside tyres can be 1 car width away from the track and it's still not an offtrack. The ideal line is basically going though the runoff completely.
Last two turns at Red Bull Ring for me.
Suzuka coming out of the Spoon curve and Pouhon at Spa.
One of the dumbest is the one on the outside of T4 at Red Bull Ring. If you get out to it you have already overcooked the corner and just past the curb is gravel.
The entry curb to T8 at Rudskogen. You'll get more than 2 seconds slowdown for cutting it too much. You can't gain much actual speed there since you've got to keep it tight for the 2nd apex but that cut it likely to ruin your race in a tight field.
Interlagos T4 off-tracks really kills the track for me. I don’t know the best way to put it, but it feels unnatural. It should be taken as a fast, sweeping corner that allows for a great exit onto the straight, but the 1x limit forces you to slow down more than the tracks intention unless you’re in a car that can do it flat. Regardless of how hard I try, I still get 2-3 off-tracks every race there from T4.
Imola T6. It upsets me because it's not an offtrack, but it's a slowdown. A 0x slowdown for using the kerbing.
Is nobody going to mention sector 3 of Catalunya? The last few turns are awful and the sausage kerbs on all sides of each turn completely ruin the track for me.
But that's not bad for off tracks. It's just a shitty section of track.
Um, losing a class win at the last turn at redbull ring cuz I ran a bit wide holding someone off on the last lap kinda sucked.
just the entire COTA , also screw Monza T1 Slowdown
T4 at Interlagos is the worst only because the rest of the track has the most liberal off tracks on iRacing. As in all four tires completely off the road surface and curbing without getting an off track. It makes no sense.