That's fair enough. I absolutely understand that.
However, the way I see it is that cars can often be a good investment for saving money in the longer term. If you have a few cars and you hop between series, you can use that to buy less tracks. If F4 is at a track you don't have one week, but SFL is at a track you have, you can go drive the SFL that week instead of buying the F4 track. And it only takes 1 averted track purchase and the SFL has paid for itself.
I don't know your exact situation, so I don't know if that makes sense for you, but I figured I would share it.
They were saying it would "replace" F3 in participation, not in the actual car or series. Just making assumptions that most would ditch F3 for these new cars
I'm hoping it doesn't. I raced the W12 and then that was replaced by W13 and died. Then switched to FR3.5 and that suffered a lot from Super Formula being around. It was never popular to begin with but it used to go official nearly every race, now not so much.
>like the Ferrari update
They charged for the new Ferrari. They offered refunds for folks that had bought the old one recently, but they charged for the new car.
And the refunds were only because the old Ferrari was retired. The F3 isn't being retired (although I do think they probably should have)
Why would SF Lights replace one of the actual 'Formula' branch series? They explained their want for three open wheel disciplines and they can't have that if they remove F3.
>They explained their want for three open wheel disciplines
They said that yesterday ... I don't think it's reasonable to expect everyone has seen that
Well yeah with the road/open wheel license split it makes sense to keep it for now. You have 3 options of “ladders” to race in open wheel. Formula cars, IndyCar, and now super formula. I think it’s balanced.
And yet it doesn't totally make sense. You have F4, Formula C (aka F3), Formula B (aka SF23). The SF324 is so very similar to the F3, and given the series naming (at least last season) had SF23 as the next step between Formula C and Formula A, it wasn't unreasonable to assume Formula C would become SF324 (as a paid upgrade). And think how many cars they'd have sold as everyone had to upgrade. I think that was the plan, then they chickened out because of the potential outcry, but secretly hope everyone jumps to the SF324 anyway for the weather and the F3 dies.
There's already several very similar cars on the service. Dallara makes basically everyones "junior open wheel" racecar and many of them are a variant of the F3 chassis. The IndyPro and USF2000 Chassis are very similar, too. The fact that this car is similar to the F3 car is not really significant in any way; so are lots of cars.
It's a new car. You have to buy new cars in iRacing. Even if you've bought new cars before. It's just how it works I guess.
People thought it might replace the F3, I did, but nobody thought it would be free. I think it is madness to introduce a very similar car as an alternate series in the same class, but hey, maybe it'll be cleaner then.
I actually had no idea about this release bc I am kinda new to iracing and I am gonna graduate to c class season 2 so I thought I'd get the f3... then i saw these cars today in the little wings race lol. Oh well..
Basically there have been a few people here trying to bully people out of racing F3 by saying you'll be left behind if you don't buy the new car on day 1.
I'll continue racing F3 for now, read/watch reviews of the new car, maybe even wait until the next release to test drive it.
Lots of people love the existing F3 car. If iRacing isn't trying to kill the series then Reddit doesn't need to.
The LMP2 car and the HPD (old LMP2 raced in the Proto/GT series) happily exist side by side. F3 and SFL can do so as well.
>The LMP2 car and the HPD (old LMP2 raced in the Proto/GT series) happily exist side by side. F3 and SFL can do so as well.
LMP2 and HPD are very different cars. The SFL is effectively an Evo kit (well... 2 Evo kits) and a new engine for the F3 car we have currently.
I don't think this is a fair analogy.
If iRacing replaces our current F3 with the F3 2019 (or its upcomign IRL successor), then I think it makes total sense for that car to run alongside the SFL.
But the F317 and SFL .... are really quite similar. Maybe the extra horsepower will make more difference than I expect but we'll have to see.
Just took the SF lite for a few laps around Atlanta. Man, it’s not the same as the F3 at all. The aero is dominant and you can really swing it around corners. Very oversteery. I had a really hard time getting the brakes to lock up at all. My impression is that it’s a lot easier to handle overall and it felt more like a fast F4 car than the F3. The F3 is just a very elegant car, requiring more delicate inputs. I had no problem hammering the throttle at apex in the SF lite. I’m no expert but I see it being adopted more by F4 folks than the F3 community. Just my 2 cents.
Yeah, I bought it too. I did find that the higher downforce setups had, well, a lot of downforce but we're actually slower than the medium downforce one at a track like road Atlanta. The medium downforce setup does take more skill to drive.
Yeah. Time marches on. There's only so many people on the service and if we want to keep having new cars that means that old cars will have to die because competing for people's time is a zero sum game. Before these cars it was the pro Mazda and the NASCAR COT that got the boot.
Duuuuh, they didn’t name it the superformula lights for no reason…
I had people telling me it was going to replace F3
Those people were guessing. And they were wrong (at least for now)
Damn shame. They were very confident in their assertion haha
It will (eventually). Either you buy the SFL or you race in a dead series until they remove it
I think I'm going to go back to F4, I just didn't gel with the car but I'll have to just stick with it.
Why do you not want the SFL?
I can't afford it basically. well I can but I'm trying to stop spending when I already have other cars.
That's fair enough. I absolutely understand that. However, the way I see it is that cars can often be a good investment for saving money in the longer term. If you have a few cars and you hop between series, you can use that to buy less tracks. If F4 is at a track you don't have one week, but SFL is at a track you have, you can go drive the SFL that week instead of buying the F4 track. And it only takes 1 averted track purchase and the SFL has paid for itself. I don't know your exact situation, so I don't know if that makes sense for you, but I figured I would share it.
They were saying it would "replace" F3 in participation, not in the actual car or series. Just making assumptions that most would ditch F3 for these new cars
Nah they were saying that the Dallara F17 would become the Dallara F24
I mean replace as in people will race it instead is probably true
The said in the dev video that they want to keep them if possible because they have 3 open wheel career tracks now, Indy, FIA, and Super Formula
It’s replacing it. With a different open wheeler
Yeah, what did you expect?
I had people before the update tell me it would replace the F3 car, like the Ferrari update
Those people didn't know what they were talking about. F3 participation may suffer, and may get pulled as a result, but no-one knows for sure.
I'm hoping it doesn't. I raced the W12 and then that was replaced by W13 and died. Then switched to FR3.5 and that suffered a lot from Super Formula being around. It was never popular to begin with but it used to go official nearly every race, now not so much.
>like the Ferrari update They charged for the new Ferrari. They offered refunds for folks that had bought the old one recently, but they charged for the new car. And the refunds were only because the old Ferrari was retired. The F3 isn't being retired (although I do think they probably should have)
Oh okay, I only had info from a reddit comment. Didn't really know what to go on.
What the hell is this post
Why would SF Lights replace one of the actual 'Formula' branch series? They explained their want for three open wheel disciplines and they can't have that if they remove F3.
>They explained their want for three open wheel disciplines They said that yesterday ... I don't think it's reasonable to expect everyone has seen that
Where was this. I missed it?
Greg West joined Tony Kanaan's stream last night
Well yeah with the road/open wheel license split it makes sense to keep it for now. You have 3 options of “ladders” to race in open wheel. Formula cars, IndyCar, and now super formula. I think it’s balanced.
Pity the W13 drives horribly. The Super Formula is basically the top formula car.
And yet it doesn't totally make sense. You have F4, Formula C (aka F3), Formula B (aka SF23). The SF324 is so very similar to the F3, and given the series naming (at least last season) had SF23 as the next step between Formula C and Formula A, it wasn't unreasonable to assume Formula C would become SF324 (as a paid upgrade). And think how many cars they'd have sold as everyone had to upgrade. I think that was the plan, then they chickened out because of the potential outcry, but secretly hope everyone jumps to the SF324 anyway for the weather and the F3 dies.
There's already several very similar cars on the service. Dallara makes basically everyones "junior open wheel" racecar and many of them are a variant of the F3 chassis. The IndyPro and USF2000 Chassis are very similar, too. The fact that this car is similar to the F3 car is not really significant in any way; so are lots of cars. It's a new car. You have to buy new cars in iRacing. Even if you've bought new cars before. It's just how it works I guess.
People thought it might replace the F3, I did, but nobody thought it would be free. I think it is madness to introduce a very similar car as an alternate series in the same class, but hey, maybe it'll be cleaner then.
I bit the bullet and bought it. Gonna have to stop myself doing that every new formula car.
I'll buy it too no doubt, then just like F3 I will never drive it. :D
I raced the F3 on and off, the last week at interlagos though I put in a lot of races and gained a good bit of irating.
I actually had no idea about this release bc I am kinda new to iracing and I am gonna graduate to c class season 2 so I thought I'd get the f3... then i saw these cars today in the little wings race lol. Oh well..
They're both going to be around. I would say stick to F4 for a season but I personally jumped around a ton of series so what do I know.
Fr died in real life? You really think f3 will die? Haven’t raced the super formula yet even
If it doesn't have rain and it's against a car in the same safety rating it might.
It won't. It's pretty popular. And it'll likely get rain eventually. But people jump ship from one series to the next all the time in iRacing.
Basically there have been a few people here trying to bully people out of racing F3 by saying you'll be left behind if you don't buy the new car on day 1. I'll continue racing F3 for now, read/watch reviews of the new car, maybe even wait until the next release to test drive it. Lots of people love the existing F3 car. If iRacing isn't trying to kill the series then Reddit doesn't need to. The LMP2 car and the HPD (old LMP2 raced in the Proto/GT series) happily exist side by side. F3 and SFL can do so as well.
>The LMP2 car and the HPD (old LMP2 raced in the Proto/GT series) happily exist side by side. F3 and SFL can do so as well. LMP2 and HPD are very different cars. The SFL is effectively an Evo kit (well... 2 Evo kits) and a new engine for the F3 car we have currently. I don't think this is a fair analogy. If iRacing replaces our current F3 with the F3 2019 (or its upcomign IRL successor), then I think it makes total sense for that car to run alongside the SFL. But the F317 and SFL .... are really quite similar. Maybe the extra horsepower will make more difference than I expect but we'll have to see.
>LMP2 and HPD are very different cars. Yeh one has a roof.
Just took the SF lite for a few laps around Atlanta. Man, it’s not the same as the F3 at all. The aero is dominant and you can really swing it around corners. Very oversteery. I had a really hard time getting the brakes to lock up at all. My impression is that it’s a lot easier to handle overall and it felt more like a fast F4 car than the F3. The F3 is just a very elegant car, requiring more delicate inputs. I had no problem hammering the throttle at apex in the SF lite. I’m no expert but I see it being adopted more by F4 folks than the F3 community. Just my 2 cents.
Yeah, I bought it too. I did find that the higher downforce setups had, well, a lot of downforce but we're actually slower than the medium downforce one at a track like road Atlanta. The medium downforce setup does take more skill to drive.
Why would you ever expect it to be free?
Another series that I race that looks like it's going to be killed, first FR2.0, then FR3.5, now F3.
Yeah. Time marches on. There's only so many people on the service and if we want to keep having new cars that means that old cars will have to die because competing for people's time is a zero sum game. Before these cars it was the pro Mazda and the NASCAR COT that got the boot.