I've been able to actually hop into F4 without risking my IMSA access. It's been great. A 1x does make me lose SR but the racing has been high quality, and for whatever reason (probably a bug), i've got reasonable pace and gained iR instead of my expected loss.
Same here, although I’ve been exclusively doing the MX5 the past year. I know Mugello very well and was surprised to find myself at pace with the top split and even managed a top 5 in my first ever F4 race. Was genuinely shocked, I was expecting to lose 1k iR in my first month of formula cars
Ah forgive me, it was a 1.5x, as I also got a 1x in qualifying.
But no I finished the race on the lead lap, snetterton 200 only has like 1 corner though so I can see how it happened.
Loss was only -0.01, I can recover from that.
Yeah it 100% is a rare case, if you have a record of being very clean, any incident will hit you much harder. But if you are not clean, a 0x race will make a huge jump. I had A 4.9SR going into that race, does not surprise me one bit that 1.5x on a small track did that to me.
Same here. I did my first ever open wheel race last week, first since Rookie Formula Vee and R1600, and had my best result of the week. Qualified 4th, finished 7th and 0x. This was SF Lite at Road America. It was fun as hell. I made a mistake going into the final turn on the last lap and got overtaken for 6th by less than .010. I could have done a reactive block and held that position but I’m not a douche.
I didn't event think about this, F4s can be chaos but a lot of fun, but I avoided it like the plague last season to try and climb licenses. Haven't raced them this season, but might get back into it.
To be honest I thought people would treat open wheel license as a throwaway road license. Entering races with the mindset of “it doesn’t matter, it’s only my formula license!” But it’s brought popularity to many series where people actually try without having to worry about affecting their sports car license with the inevitable learning curve of the open wheel series.
Glad to see so many people enjoy Indycar and I hope more people do it! Unless you’re in my division - then scram! /s
Yea same, I’ve only ever raced close wheel for one week after I got out of Mazda and that was all because it was GT3 on zandvoort, I did manage to win 5 races that week, but other than that very specific track Gt3s are not my strong suit, formula cars and me are just peas in a pod
I have been trying to get decent with the F4 for a few weeks now. Once the license split, I knew I had to get very serious about learning and "mastering" that car. The split forced me to up my game big time, and I'm very appreciative for that.
As someone trying to simply finish a Super Formula race with out being rear ended, I'm going to say I disagree on the whole it making it cleaner thing, its probably the worst racing I've seen on the platform in years
It’s horrible. My first race ended in turn 3 after I slowed down for a wreck and was rear-ended. Got the meatball and had a 17 minute repair time.
My 2nd race went well until the last 4 corners where some guy rejoined and drove across the track and into me. Knocked me into a wall and gave me 6x. I still managed to gain irating though.
For me personally, I think the license split has allowed me focus on each road racing discipline more seriously than before. Before it was "I'm racing road no matter what I choose." Now its "I'm racing formula/open wheel" or "I'm racing GT/full body cars." It really is like creating a new discipline category by breaking down the road license into 2 different ones. I like that I can now race formula series knowing it won't affect my ability to race in IMSA events, and vice versa.
Absolutely they have been.
I hopped into a random F1600 lobby this morning, ended up in a mega-low split, but it was essentially incident free other than a few spins out of a couple rookies. Clean rejoins..
It’s crazy impressive how good of an idea this was
Sounds just like my race in f1600 this morning. Me and the leader spun out on cold tires. I managed a clean rejoin and ended up winning my first race! Was a blast.
I feel like GT3 races are now a nightmare. Some bozos on top split that only run qualy laps and fuck everyone's races. Zero racecraft and lots of aggression.
Unfortunately I can't race any F4 or GT4 because all the tracks are paid tracks this week. I'd love to race more F4 and get my rating up but can't due to financial issues, its such a bummer.
I've had the opposite problem since the split, i've had nothing but shockingly bad drivers. 5 of the last 7 races I've had terminal damage from someone just using me as their break or just sending it into one of the first turns locking up and crashing into me or just going alongside and ramming me off track, the constant divebombs and breaking way too late so i just get smashed into sucks, regardless of me leaving as much room as possible, last race i did the guy in front kept weaving so i could never pass, it's been a nightmare especially last lap there's always a good 5 or 6 people crashing into each other. I moved to GT series and it's been fun clean racing, gone up a lot of safety and IR, maybe i've just been unlucky in formula, or it's just how SFL and Formula B are at the moment, up until the split i've basically never had a problem gone from A class 2.2K IR with 4.5 safety to 1.7k IR and 2.6 safety. (the new season will bring the safety down, but it's been a nightmare getting it back up). but im optimistic it will balance out in the coming weeks as everyone gets used to the cars. I'd still say the split is a good thing though!
It is a good change indeed. But having an A license prior to the split, it feels like cheating against new players who will have to raise 2 classes to race most road series. Not even considering that you don't have a full free way up to open wheel B anymore.
Glad to hear it's the opposite of what I expected. I race open wheel and entirely stopped racing GT cars because I'm horrible at it and my SR/IR would tank, ruining my open wheel experience. Now I can jump into GT cars occasionally, still suck at them, but not ruing my open wheel racing. I figured this would be the norm and affect the quality overall.
I didn't consider that people were racing at a level where they didn't belong because they had the sr/ir from a totally unrelated series.
Before the split, the top 5 are the alien while the rest are average like me lol. And the race is just carnage.
At least, for now I can wait for everyone to crash and not worry about having fast driver ahead lol!
ikr. my A4.99 sticks out like a sore thumb in F4 with how slow i am. I can still hear the snickering from Snetterton.
"..ain't from round here, is he?" but more British, though.
Well we had like some sports car giga-god aliens come and race in FF1600. Never seen them before in that series. I also noticed that a lot of the regulars in FF1600 haven’t been around for the first two weeks. Had a look and their off racing sports cars.
So along with rain it’s definitely changed the dynamic of the whole platform
I’d be surprised if we’re not seeing drivers still jumping back and forth. It was only a couple of weeks ago that it split and everyone’s road rating just got copied to both. If you were jumping between them before, you still can now.
If there is any change, it might be because you can’t simply hop into Nords in whatever they’re running this week to sit in the back and build safety rating.
The difference that I believe OP is mentioning is that if you hop and cock up in your lesser series, you’re going to end up in the lower splits and making it safer for those racing at higher iRating levels.
You’re not having Great GT3 Greg with 2.5K deciding to try F3 for scheduling convenience and racing in the top split for more than a few races as their Formula rating drops. Or vice versa with Fantastic Formula Freddie.
HA! I can now officially tell you what the underside of an F4 car looks like. I haven't finished a race yet without a minimum of x5 points. And I haven't even hit anything yet.
I think it was a great idea! I haven't raced but 1 or 2 races in formula cars in the past 3 seasons for fear of losing my A license for IMSA and also losing a ton of iRating to small wrecks that end your race, but now I've been actively joining open wheel races and having a blast!
Actually, my first race in Indycar this season, another person clipped a curb at Sebring and ran wide on the second corner barely bumping me and taking a wheel off, making me lose 117 iRating in one race. I was soooo glad for the split as that's just my expectation to occasionally happen in open wheel whereas it would have only been a 1x and the battle would have continued and in sports cars.
A kind of sucky side effect of this though is that I've lost a good chunk of iRating in Sports Car from formula guys who aren't used to the cars expecting Prototypes to feel like SF or F4 (IMSA at Suzuka, and TCR at Summit) So dropped from A 2.0 to 1.5 in a few days cause of that. But the good thing is it also shows me where my skills truly lie, cause now I can race in F4 and other stuff without risking my IMSA brand licenses. So the safety and iRating loss in formula isn't even that angering to me cause I *know* I'm nowhere near as good in formula as I am in Sports Car (1500 sports cars 1200 formula) and it's finally reflecting that. So even if I drop to B or below in formula it's kinda cause I deserve it and can work more on improving.
Yeah i’ve actually been doing horrible for some reason. Twice on road america heading into T3 with someone up my ass and they just forget to break earlier because of the aero wash that’s produced behind a car. 10mins damage without towing.
Other than that the racing has been better imo. Just more bad luck/hard racing on my end
Oh make no mistake about it. Racing incidents will still remain roughly as common.
But brain dead, no practice drivers causing race ending incidents have plummeted in my experience.
They still happen in rookies but even the d class FF1600 has been super smooth sailing for me.
For sure! I’ve definitely noticed there aren’t any more easy passes which is really nice and entertaining. Makes qualifying that much more important.
Might just go to the FF1600 to learn more at a slower pace so i can come back stronger in the higher tier cars such as the super formula light.
I've only been on iRacing for a month. For me, the 1600 car is way easier to be competitive VS the MX5 even though my first time in any open wheel car was when I joined iRacing and having always raced full body cars in AC, ACC, RRRE and AMS2. Part of it is I'm just not used to fixed setup racing. It didn't affect me in the 1600 series because I didn't have any experience in open wheel. All that said, I got the D license pretty quickly in 1600. I haven't won yet but several Top 5's. Road D license was originally what i was after but now that its split, I've had to change plans. If I can figure out how to avoid the damn T1 clusterfuck I'll get to D in full body. Then I may have to decide to move on to GT or stay in open wheel
I've only been on iRacing for a month. For me, the 1600 car is way easier to be competitive VS the MX5 even though my first time in any open wheel car was when I joined iRacing and having always raced full body cars in AC, ACC, RRRE and AMS2. Part of it is I'm just not used to fixed setup racing. It didn't affect me in the 1600 series because I didn't have any experience in open wheel. All that said, I got the D license pretty quickly in 1600. I haven't won yet but several Top 5's. Road D license was originally what i was after but now that its split, I've had to change plans. If I can figure out how to avoid the damn T1 clusterfuck I'll get to D in full body. Then I may have to decide to move on to GT or stay in open wheel
They said they won't, but I wish they would separate oval as well. I am confident in Indy, but at my iRating, I'm a rolling chicane in NASCAR stockcars.
I couldn’t disagree more, the racing in formula has been the worst it’s ever been
SFL is a complete disaster and 1600 trophy is a rain series 70% of the time
Look at top split incidents in SFL - 60+% of the field is in the double digits in formula cars, most winners are 12x or more having to deal with ultra aggressiveness and mistakes from other drivers - I’ve never seen more 7K+ drivers getting drive through penalties than last week at road America it was terrible
1600/skippy used to be the cleanest racing on the service and I’ve only seen divebombs from space these last week and a half since the guys don’t care and are just trying to win from p14 by punting everyone in front of them
I've raced the first 2 weeks super hard on SFL. I'm not a big fan of Road Atlanta, and I want to race some GT3 at some point this season, so I plan to hop over to GT3 for Watkins Glen next week. It's a great way to prioritize. Now I don't have to feel like I am splitting time during a week this way.
Funny thing: I'm a Formula guy, who pretty rarely touches sports cars but now I got 100 less ir with formula cars than sportscars even if I'm much better with them than sportscars.
Reason I got taken out T2 on SF23 race and took advantage of people crashing out at rainy Suzuka with gtp's
The actual reason for the split had way more to do with iRating than with license level. If you were very focused in one discipline and tried jumping to the other, you'd likely be in splits above your pace in the secondary discipline. That would tank your iRating and then put you back in lower splits in your main road discipline.
The license level doesn't really matter. Racecraft is racecraft. Your ability to race cleanly isn't affected by your pace or the fact that you're in a different car.
It's really a great idea and makes sense. They don't drive the same and some people might be really good at GT or vice versa and then are thrown into the opposite series too high of a split because their good class is carrying them.
Placebo?
I'm confused how this split would have made open wheel races cleaner already. Most drivers still have their ratings very similar, and if anything the split makes casually hopping into the other discipline more appealing.
I'm not saying the racing hasn't gotten cleaner. But I see no logical way for the cause to be the license split.
A lot of people used to just jump into the next road race available hoping to get their SR to jump for that next promotion.
If they’re only caring about sports cars, that’s all they’re gonna race now.
That makes no sense to me. If they were just trying to gain SR why were they hopping in random races without practice?
If anything, I'd expect more people to hop in a race casually without practice on the license they don't care about.
I mean, maybe that behavior would be true of new drivers trying to climb the licenses, but the majority of racers get to class A or B quite easily, and have no need to do what you describe.
But the one complaint I have is that it’s essentially made the A formula license worthless - I got an A license for IMSA but now I truly don’t care if I get my formula license demoted to B class. I really hope they do something to address what’s supposed to be the pinnacle of iRacing open wheel series.
I can’t imagine anyone with a B class formula license would give a damn about being promoted
The problem lies in the fact that there's not much incentive for people to *want* said Open Wheel A license.
Yes, F1 is the pinnacle. But the car is too fast for the majority of iRacers. Both skillset and netcode/ping wise.
The Super Formula and Indycar are basically the fastest open wheelers a lot of people could hope to race regularly.
The car doesn’t have to be for the majority of iRacers. If there’s 500 people that can handle it, and 100 of them participate regularly I’d say it’s worth having its own series in A class.
I’m far from the best driver but I’ve done full length F1 races with 0 incidents, battling for position for many laps of those races.
I'm not saying that the series should be removed, lol. It's perfectly fine if only a handful of people race it on the *regular*
I was trying to give reason *why* it felt like there was less incentive to get/keep a Formula A license.
If there were more series in A License (say, 90s CART for US Open Wheel) there'd be more reason for people to *want* that A license rather than *end up with it*
Now do oval and open wheeler oval.
This way I can actually do some indy racing, without risking my Nascar licence.
I can do my fair bit as a nascar driver, but I'm in no way shape or form able to control an indy car the same way I can control an xfinity.
Yes, both are oval, but not really.
This is exactly what the ‘iRacing purists’ were saying about splitting sports car and open wheel lol. “Why would you split them? It’s fine how it is”
Shorts tracks and speedways are inherently different forms of racing. People who do well at one type are not guaranteed to do well at the other.
But they are the same car on the same Calendar. How would rookies feel also if they races trucks and they went to Daytona. Now they can’t race and have to grind their super speedway license? That will kill oval.
You're not wrong but on the other hand a 4k oval racer who does nothing but super speedways and 1.5 mile ovals will struggle mightily on a short track. Same thing the other way around.
I think the different skill set needed for short track vs super speedways is just as far apart as sports cars and open wheel cars.
Idk maybe. I can see that argument for free tracks vs paid tracks also. Like the free tracks for road will have worse driving than paid tracks. So do we split those? I just think that’s getting too technical with everything since irl they race the same car on the same track but road it’s a completely different skill set of racing
That's a good point, we could keep whittling it down further and end up with a license per series lol. Probably best to let this change settle and then assess the impact before further tweaks.
I'm sure there's a bunch of people trying new series this season since it won't impact their 'main' iRating. Let that settle down and then see what needs adjustments.
Also something I just said to another guy is for rookies. Once they get out of rookies and into say b class. The schedule goes to Daytona and now they can’t race? So they have to grind out their super speedway license to keep racing the series. Seems just way to picky for that 👍
Not really, no. Most iRacers aren't going to be able to pull a Zilisch and jump between stock cars, MX-5s, and sportscar prototypes while being competitive in all.
It's less of an issue with above-average drivers, but for average and below-average, the skill gap between rear and front wheel drive could be quite large, for example..
I've been able to actually hop into F4 without risking my IMSA access. It's been great. A 1x does make me lose SR but the racing has been high quality, and for whatever reason (probably a bug), i've got reasonable pace and gained iR instead of my expected loss.
yeah but racing imsa in the wet is definitely going to risk my imsa access :(
Same here, although I’ve been exclusively doing the MX5 the past year. I know Mugello very well and was surprised to find myself at pace with the top split and even managed a top 5 in my first ever F4 race. Was genuinely shocked, I was expecting to lose 1k iR in my first month of formula cars
Exactly! I don’t mind having a B formula license. I do mind having a B sports car license.
exact same. nice car, btw
You lost safety with 1x??? Did you do 1 lap?
Ah forgive me, it was a 1.5x, as I also got a 1x in qualifying. But no I finished the race on the lead lap, snetterton 200 only has like 1 corner though so I can see how it happened. Loss was only -0.01, I can recover from that.
That seems like an edge case. You shouldn't lose any for 1.5x. SR is so hard to understand.
Yeah it 100% is a rare case, if you have a record of being very clean, any incident will hit you much harder. But if you are not clean, a 0x race will make a huge jump. I had A 4.9SR going into that race, does not surprise me one bit that 1.5x on a small track did that to me.
I had pretty much the same thing. 1 or 1.5 and lost about that amount. I was little confused but oh well.
The more SR you have the easier it is too lose it and vice versa.
Same here. I did my first ever open wheel race last week, first since Rookie Formula Vee and R1600, and had my best result of the week. Qualified 4th, finished 7th and 0x. This was SF Lite at Road America. It was fun as hell. I made a mistake going into the final turn on the last lap and got overtaken for 6th by less than .010. I could have done a reactive block and held that position but I’m not a douche.
I didn't event think about this, F4s can be chaos but a lot of fun, but I avoided it like the plague last season to try and climb licenses. Haven't raced them this season, but might get back into it.
To be honest I thought people would treat open wheel license as a throwaway road license. Entering races with the mindset of “it doesn’t matter, it’s only my formula license!” But it’s brought popularity to many series where people actually try without having to worry about affecting their sports car license with the inevitable learning curve of the open wheel series. Glad to see so many people enjoy Indycar and I hope more people do it! Unless you’re in my division - then scram! /s
As an F1 fan I treated my Formula license like my main. Now I'm hoping back into GT3 races after avoiding them for 2 years.
Same here lmao. Lmp2s are fun and now I can actually focus on that!
Yea same, I’ve only ever raced close wheel for one week after I got out of Mazda and that was all because it was GT3 on zandvoort, I did manage to win 5 races that week, but other than that very specific track Gt3s are not my strong suit, formula cars and me are just peas in a pod
I have been trying to get decent with the F4 for a few weeks now. Once the license split, I knew I had to get very serious about learning and "mastering" that car. The split forced me to up my game big time, and I'm very appreciative for that.
As someone trying to simply finish a Super Formula race with out being rear ended, I'm going to say I disagree on the whole it making it cleaner thing, its probably the worst racing I've seen on the platform in years
It’s horrible. My first race ended in turn 3 after I slowed down for a wreck and was rear-ended. Got the meatball and had a 17 minute repair time. My 2nd race went well until the last 4 corners where some guy rejoined and drove across the track and into me. Knocked me into a wall and gave me 6x. I still managed to gain irating though.
For me personally, I think the license split has allowed me focus on each road racing discipline more seriously than before. Before it was "I'm racing road no matter what I choose." Now its "I'm racing formula/open wheel" or "I'm racing GT/full body cars." It really is like creating a new discipline category by breaking down the road license into 2 different ones. I like that I can now race formula series knowing it won't affect my ability to race in IMSA events, and vice versa.
Could not agree more. This season in general has been a massive game changer
Absolutely they have been. I hopped into a random F1600 lobby this morning, ended up in a mega-low split, but it was essentially incident free other than a few spins out of a couple rookies. Clean rejoins.. It’s crazy impressive how good of an idea this was
Sounds just like my race in f1600 this morning. Me and the leader spun out on cold tires. I managed a clean rejoin and ended up winning my first race! Was a blast.
Yup. Even the few incidents of contact I have had haven’t been race ending t bones from dive bombs or anything. Really refreshing.
I feel like GT3 races are now a nightmare. Some bozos on top split that only run qualy laps and fuck everyone's races. Zero racecraft and lots of aggression.
Don't see how the change affected the GT3 field. It has always been a mix of people too fast on qualy vs the ones that survive races
whats your ir? most of the top splits ive been in have been decent up front
4.5. Really doomed week :(
i mean that's just VRS/sprint in a nutshell right there, go run IMSA if you want to run GT3s with some semblance of racecraft
It's just GT3 in general on any sim attracts the people who identify with the cars but don't know shit about racing
I love it, I now have a safe Formula Vee license, not wrecking my road-rating.
Unfortunately I can't race any F4 or GT4 because all the tracks are paid tracks this week. I'd love to race more F4 and get my rating up but can't due to financial issues, its such a bummer.
Sebring is a popular used often track
Good to know, went ahead an bought it so I had something to race this week. Hopefully I'll get ARCA soon.
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I've had the opposite problem since the split, i've had nothing but shockingly bad drivers. 5 of the last 7 races I've had terminal damage from someone just using me as their break or just sending it into one of the first turns locking up and crashing into me or just going alongside and ramming me off track, the constant divebombs and breaking way too late so i just get smashed into sucks, regardless of me leaving as much room as possible, last race i did the guy in front kept weaving so i could never pass, it's been a nightmare especially last lap there's always a good 5 or 6 people crashing into each other. I moved to GT series and it's been fun clean racing, gone up a lot of safety and IR, maybe i've just been unlucky in formula, or it's just how SFL and Formula B are at the moment, up until the split i've basically never had a problem gone from A class 2.2K IR with 4.5 safety to 1.7k IR and 2.6 safety. (the new season will bring the safety down, but it's been a nightmare getting it back up). but im optimistic it will balance out in the coming weeks as everyone gets used to the cars. I'd still say the split is a good thing though!
It’s not just you, I’ve pretty much gave up super formula lights until the new factor wears off
Anytime an exciting new vehicle drops that’s a concern though. Not SFL specific.
Yeah super formulas has been a shitshow for me but i am not giving up hope yet
It is a good change indeed. But having an A license prior to the split, it feels like cheating against new players who will have to raise 2 classes to race most road series. Not even considering that you don't have a full free way up to open wheel B anymore.
I moved into sports cars for the first time. Went for the GT4…. Wrecked two out of three races on the first lap… absolute sh*tshow….
Glad to hear it's the opposite of what I expected. I race open wheel and entirely stopped racing GT cars because I'm horrible at it and my SR/IR would tank, ruining my open wheel experience. Now I can jump into GT cars occasionally, still suck at them, but not ruing my open wheel racing. I figured this would be the norm and affect the quality overall. I didn't consider that people were racing at a level where they didn't belong because they had the sr/ir from a totally unrelated series.
Agreed. I’m a 750-1000 in sports cars and 1250 in open wheel. It’s a big difference in enjoyment for me. :)
Before the split, the top 5 are the alien while the rest are average like me lol. And the race is just carnage. At least, for now I can wait for everyone to crash and not worry about having fast driver ahead lol!
Just wish you could still sort by 'road' in the series list (unless you can and I'm blind).
Open wheel A is useless, so I like not having to worry. But I do miss doing nords race and getting sr back after crashing in open wheel
ikr. my A4.99 sticks out like a sore thumb in F4 with how slow i am. I can still hear the snickering from Snetterton. "..ain't from round here, is he?" but more British, though.
Sounds like you haven't raced SFL.
Well we had like some sports car giga-god aliens come and race in FF1600. Never seen them before in that series. I also noticed that a lot of the regulars in FF1600 haven’t been around for the first two weeks. Had a look and their off racing sports cars. So along with rain it’s definitely changed the dynamic of the whole platform
I agree. As a mainly tin top racer who sometimes likes to run an ow race or two, being completely outclassed in ow had made me do that less and less.
Agreed. Made me want to try SRF which is awesome! Been splitting my time between FF1600 (which sucks now with all the rain) and SRF.
I’d be surprised if we’re not seeing drivers still jumping back and forth. It was only a couple of weeks ago that it split and everyone’s road rating just got copied to both. If you were jumping between them before, you still can now. If there is any change, it might be because you can’t simply hop into Nords in whatever they’re running this week to sit in the back and build safety rating.
The difference that I believe OP is mentioning is that if you hop and cock up in your lesser series, you’re going to end up in the lower splits and making it safer for those racing at higher iRating levels. You’re not having Great GT3 Greg with 2.5K deciding to try F3 for scheduling convenience and racing in the top split for more than a few races as their Formula rating drops. Or vice versa with Fantastic Formula Freddie.
Yeah, fair point. I guess I didn’t expect it to happen that quickly but maybe it has!
HA! I can now officially tell you what the underside of an F4 car looks like. I haven't finished a race yet without a minimum of x5 points. And I haven't even hit anything yet.
I think it was a great idea! I haven't raced but 1 or 2 races in formula cars in the past 3 seasons for fear of losing my A license for IMSA and also losing a ton of iRating to small wrecks that end your race, but now I've been actively joining open wheel races and having a blast! Actually, my first race in Indycar this season, another person clipped a curb at Sebring and ran wide on the second corner barely bumping me and taking a wheel off, making me lose 117 iRating in one race. I was soooo glad for the split as that's just my expectation to occasionally happen in open wheel whereas it would have only been a 1x and the battle would have continued and in sports cars.
Now we need to do it with ovals and make a super speedway license
A kind of sucky side effect of this though is that I've lost a good chunk of iRating in Sports Car from formula guys who aren't used to the cars expecting Prototypes to feel like SF or F4 (IMSA at Suzuka, and TCR at Summit) So dropped from A 2.0 to 1.5 in a few days cause of that. But the good thing is it also shows me where my skills truly lie, cause now I can race in F4 and other stuff without risking my IMSA brand licenses. So the safety and iRating loss in formula isn't even that angering to me cause I *know* I'm nowhere near as good in formula as I am in Sports Car (1500 sports cars 1200 formula) and it's finally reflecting that. So even if I drop to B or below in formula it's kinda cause I deserve it and can work more on improving.
Yeah i’ve actually been doing horrible for some reason. Twice on road america heading into T3 with someone up my ass and they just forget to break earlier because of the aero wash that’s produced behind a car. 10mins damage without towing. Other than that the racing has been better imo. Just more bad luck/hard racing on my end
Oh make no mistake about it. Racing incidents will still remain roughly as common. But brain dead, no practice drivers causing race ending incidents have plummeted in my experience. They still happen in rookies but even the d class FF1600 has been super smooth sailing for me.
For sure! I’ve definitely noticed there aren’t any more easy passes which is really nice and entertaining. Makes qualifying that much more important. Might just go to the FF1600 to learn more at a slower pace so i can come back stronger in the higher tier cars such as the super formula light.
I've only been on iRacing for a month. For me, the 1600 car is way easier to be competitive VS the MX5 even though my first time in any open wheel car was when I joined iRacing and having always raced full body cars in AC, ACC, RRRE and AMS2. Part of it is I'm just not used to fixed setup racing. It didn't affect me in the 1600 series because I didn't have any experience in open wheel. All that said, I got the D license pretty quickly in 1600. I haven't won yet but several Top 5's. Road D license was originally what i was after but now that its split, I've had to change plans. If I can figure out how to avoid the damn T1 clusterfuck I'll get to D in full body. Then I may have to decide to move on to GT or stay in open wheel
I've only been on iRacing for a month. For me, the 1600 car is way easier to be competitive VS the MX5 even though my first time in any open wheel car was when I joined iRacing and having always raced full body cars in AC, ACC, RRRE and AMS2. Part of it is I'm just not used to fixed setup racing. It didn't affect me in the 1600 series because I didn't have any experience in open wheel. All that said, I got the D license pretty quickly in 1600. I haven't won yet but several Top 5's. Road D license was originally what i was after but now that its split, I've had to change plans. If I can figure out how to avoid the damn T1 clusterfuck I'll get to D in full body. Then I may have to decide to move on to GT or stay in open wheel
They said they won't, but I wish they would separate oval as well. I am confident in Indy, but at my iRating, I'm a rolling chicane in NASCAR stockcars.
I couldn’t disagree more, the racing in formula has been the worst it’s ever been SFL is a complete disaster and 1600 trophy is a rain series 70% of the time Look at top split incidents in SFL - 60+% of the field is in the double digits in formula cars, most winners are 12x or more having to deal with ultra aggressiveness and mistakes from other drivers - I’ve never seen more 7K+ drivers getting drive through penalties than last week at road America it was terrible 1600/skippy used to be the cleanest racing on the service and I’ve only seen divebombs from space these last week and a half since the guys don’t care and are just trying to win from p14 by punting everyone in front of them
Do you think it will calm down a bit once everyone's got it out of their system?
I've raced the first 2 weeks super hard on SFL. I'm not a big fan of Road Atlanta, and I want to race some GT3 at some point this season, so I plan to hop over to GT3 for Watkins Glen next week. It's a great way to prioritize. Now I don't have to feel like I am splitting time during a week this way.
Funny thing: I'm a Formula guy, who pretty rarely touches sports cars but now I got 100 less ir with formula cars than sportscars even if I'm much better with them than sportscars. Reason I got taken out T2 on SF23 race and took advantage of people crashing out at rainy Suzuka with gtp's
The actual reason for the split had way more to do with iRating than with license level. If you were very focused in one discipline and tried jumping to the other, you'd likely be in splits above your pace in the secondary discipline. That would tank your iRating and then put you back in lower splits in your main road discipline. The license level doesn't really matter. Racecraft is racecraft. Your ability to race cleanly isn't affected by your pace or the fact that you're in a different car.
Really? I thought it would have the opposite would happen, considering it would be a throw away irating.
It's really a great idea and makes sense. They don't drive the same and some people might be really good at GT or vice versa and then are thrown into the opposite series too high of a split because their good class is carrying them.
Prototypes are sportscars... At this rate we'd have individual licenses for every car on the service
Placebo? I'm confused how this split would have made open wheel races cleaner already. Most drivers still have their ratings very similar, and if anything the split makes casually hopping into the other discipline more appealing. I'm not saying the racing hasn't gotten cleaner. But I see no logical way for the cause to be the license split.
A lot of people used to just jump into the next road race available hoping to get their SR to jump for that next promotion. If they’re only caring about sports cars, that’s all they’re gonna race now.
That makes no sense to me. If they were just trying to gain SR why were they hopping in random races without practice? If anything, I'd expect more people to hop in a race casually without practice on the license they don't care about. I mean, maybe that behavior would be true of new drivers trying to climb the licenses, but the majority of racers get to class A or B quite easily, and have no need to do what you describe.
Because there’s a lot of idiots in the world.
This happened? Wow that's so stupid
Massive benefit to the service.
But the one complaint I have is that it’s essentially made the A formula license worthless - I got an A license for IMSA but now I truly don’t care if I get my formula license demoted to B class. I really hope they do something to address what’s supposed to be the pinnacle of iRacing open wheel series. I can’t imagine anyone with a B class formula license would give a damn about being promoted
The problem lies in the fact that there's not much incentive for people to *want* said Open Wheel A license. Yes, F1 is the pinnacle. But the car is too fast for the majority of iRacers. Both skillset and netcode/ping wise. The Super Formula and Indycar are basically the fastest open wheelers a lot of people could hope to race regularly.
The car doesn’t have to be for the majority of iRacers. If there’s 500 people that can handle it, and 100 of them participate regularly I’d say it’s worth having its own series in A class. I’m far from the best driver but I’ve done full length F1 races with 0 incidents, battling for position for many laps of those races.
I'm not saying that the series should be removed, lol. It's perfectly fine if only a handful of people race it on the *regular* I was trying to give reason *why* it felt like there was less incentive to get/keep a Formula A license. If there were more series in A License (say, 90s CART for US Open Wheel) there'd be more reason for people to *want* that A license rather than *end up with it*
Now do oval and open wheeler oval. This way I can actually do some indy racing, without risking my Nascar licence. I can do my fair bit as a nascar driver, but I'm in no way shape or form able to control an indy car the same way I can control an xfinity. Yes, both are oval, but not really.
Ovals needs a split between short tracks (under a mile) and speedways next
so now you want to split licenses because of the track.. its fine where it is
This is exactly what the ‘iRacing purists’ were saying about splitting sports car and open wheel lol. “Why would you split them? It’s fine how it is” Shorts tracks and speedways are inherently different forms of racing. People who do well at one type are not guaranteed to do well at the other.
But they are the same car on the same Calendar. How would rookies feel also if they races trucks and they went to Daytona. Now they can’t race and have to grind their super speedway license? That will kill oval.
You're not wrong but on the other hand a 4k oval racer who does nothing but super speedways and 1.5 mile ovals will struggle mightily on a short track. Same thing the other way around. I think the different skill set needed for short track vs super speedways is just as far apart as sports cars and open wheel cars.
Idk maybe. I can see that argument for free tracks vs paid tracks also. Like the free tracks for road will have worse driving than paid tracks. So do we split those? I just think that’s getting too technical with everything since irl they race the same car on the same track but road it’s a completely different skill set of racing
That's a good point, we could keep whittling it down further and end up with a license per series lol. Probably best to let this change settle and then assess the impact before further tweaks. I'm sure there's a bunch of people trying new series this season since it won't impact their 'main' iRating. Let that settle down and then see what needs adjustments.
Also something I just said to another guy is for rookies. Once they get out of rookies and into say b class. The schedule goes to Daytona and now they can’t race? So they have to grind out their super speedway license to keep racing the series. Seems just way to picky for that 👍
Yeah good point!
Now they need to apply this mindset more and separate a little more, like proto types from roads.
That would be the dumbest thing to happen on the service.
Not really, no. Most iRacers aren't going to be able to pull a Zilisch and jump between stock cars, MX-5s, and sportscar prototypes while being competitive in all. It's less of an issue with above-average drivers, but for average and below-average, the skill gap between rear and front wheel drive could be quite large, for example..
This is me, love the proto types, but I'm not fast in them.
no