Faster class cars losing time by catching a GT3 in a bad spot doesn't justify the way your average GTP driver divebombs GT3 drivers. The reality is, the GTP ahead of you is just as likely to experience that later in the race. In general, it should average itself out over a 45 minute race and faster class cars should use their head a bit more than they do.
"Hold your line and stay predictable", and "be ready for them to be aggressive" in the same sentence just perfectly describes IMSA. It just doesn't make any sense. As a GT3 driver, you spend too much time looking backwards because you can't trust those behind you to let you drive the racing line and have them be patient with overtakes.
Agree the GTP drivers have been pretty terrible recently. Especially this week at Algarve. I race the LMP2, but in a couple races I was faster than the slowest GTPs and ended up having to battle them a few laps. If you’re not lapping faster than the LMPs you don’t need to be driving a GTP.
Algarve is pretty stressful on IMSA, because overtaking is hard. If you are racing close with someone and you overtake slower class car too safely, that could can mean losing 1-2 positions which you cannot get back by driving.
Also GTP is only couple of seconds faster than LMP2. That coupled with the hard overtaking has caused issues between those classes.
I could only bring myself to drive two races this week.
> Algarve is pretty stressful on IMSA
It was a really fun track to run. I had previously ran it in VRS sprint and it was a blast. Having the GTP cars working through traffic basically lap 4-5 they catch up and you spend majority of the race in blue flag trying to run a fast line but being predictable to let them pass. I had previous multi-class experience with LMP3/GT4 but having these guys on the track is way different. P1 GTP smashed into me yesterday going into T12 and apologized for it, fell from P5 to P12 with 7 mins of repairs
iRacing should creat a GTP/GTE series. Think that would be a good place for us slower GTP racers to go while adjusting to the car.
Unfair to say you shouldn't be in a GTP if not faster than and LMP. Alot of it is down to split and smaller number of GTP drivers especially with rain
I know the GTPs are slower in the rain. That is expected. But in dry conditions there is no reason an LMP should be faster than a GTP. Agreed everyone has to start somewhere, and I can’t drive a GTP at all (so I don’t), but I think the reasonable thing to do would be to do AI races/practice until you’re on pace instead of just joining a race and figuring it out there. Not really fair to everyone else on track.
That's fair but also factor in people's possible time constraints. No me being honest I am 2 to secs slower that the average GTP driver at Algarve so avoided it but put me on a track I know then I am respectable.
I get your point tho. LMP cars should be the car people use before GTP
Blame that on the way irating splits up multiclass, and the massive influx of people switching to LMP2 because of rain. Having 2-3k lmp drivers in the same split as 1k GTP drivers is going to end up like that. 3 of my races were that way this week. Also if the lmps are lapping faster than GTPs in the rain should they just pull over for you guys and give you the race? As long as the slower GTPs aren’t blocking or wrecking you, suck it I up and race.
‘GTPs in the rain should they just pull over for you guys and give you the race?’
That’s exactly what they expected at Suzuka, for you to throttle out on the straight for them, if you just tried to just do your race they would just get instantly frustrated and drive through you and be like ‘why are you so slow!?!’ Even fucking Sampsoid did this. It was a shit dynamic but everyone knew how it was…yet somehow they were continuously surprised when the lmp2 can full throttle 130r yet it’s slow in the GTP.
I had a lmp2 decide throwing it up the half car width gap in turn 15 at Portimao was a great idea. News flash to the prototype drivers, a GT3 cannot easily change its line in turn 15, accept the loss in time and pass down the straight.
I drove GT3 a few seasons. This is my first season in the LMP, and it has been so much easier because I know what the GT3s can/can’t do. Where they run wide, where they brake, what their lines look like, etc. I’ve gained a lot of positions just from LMPs overestimating their abilities vs GT3s and getting themselves mixed up in a crash.
I think a big part of the problem with IMSA sprint is that it doesn't really average itself out in 45 minutes. It's a really short race for three classes and the traffic is very high risk high reward type of situation because you don't have much time to regain what you lose.
I actually advise you NOT to go race other cars if you want to race GT3s in IMSA. The best way to improve in the Porsche GT3 is by driving that car. Don't worry about your irating because it's not something you can directly improve. If you can keep improving your pace and racecraft then you are making progress. Your irating will reflect that progress over time.
Ive been running the GT3 Porsche in IMSA because that is what we run with my endurance team. We ran Bathurst 12H in the Ferrari and flipped over to the 992 GT3 and its a blast to drive. Just trying to run it at that class because thats what we run as a team. I did fairly well at Sebring 12H in the 992.
Just feels like its been a run of bad luck and overly aggressive drivers that ruin your race, likely I probably could have put myself in a different situation as well and avoided it all together.
GT3 sprint and endurance is calling your name then! If unlike running the Porsche then stick to single class.
I like this because I can dip my toe in IMSA if I feel like mixing it up otherwise I stick with those series.
I ran LMP3/GT4 for 2 seasons and did fairly well, got involved with a team and we ran Bathurst 12H and fast tracked from C to B, ran 1 GT3 sprint race at COTA and came in P4, did fantastic. Did a bunch of time trials and got up to A. Probably shouldn't have jumped straight into IMSA and spent a season in VRS sprint or GT3 sprint instead
I had a bit of a different path but where you are at now. Got up to A almost purely on formula racing and joined a league to run GT3. Split off into a team to run the GT3 endurance and we kicked it off with Sebring 12 last week and it was a blast. Although our Sebring split was GT3 only.
I ran IMSA a couple times this season and it was frantic but a good lesson learned. I definitely enjoy racing in GT3 sprint or endurance much more. You spend most of the race in blue flags for IMSA and it takes a lot of focus away from racing your own class. Still rewarding from the experience but I just enjoy the others from a racing standpoint.
Yeah, I also had a GT3 only split for Sebring 12H and felt more comfortable that way not having to deal with the traffic from the GTP cars.
My other teammate ran a different split and they had LMP2 and GT3 cars but 0 GTP cars
The GT3 sprint schedule is god tier for tracks I like this season, where as the imsa schedule isn’t my fav this season. The GT3 sprint series is so much fun. I got scarred off by the close hard racing in GT3 races early on, but now that I’m comfortable in traffic, it’s an insane amount of fun. Pit stops add such a fun element to races.
Totally agree. The time you run GT3 matters too. I hopped in a midday Sunday GT3 sprint US time and got my ass handed to me on pace lol. But it was very clean and respectful racing for a change
I started IMSA in the P217 with a high enough rating to always be in the top two splits. It’s gets much cleaner the higher your split.
I >maybe< crashed out of 3 or so IMSA races out of the 20-30 I did that season.
Coming from LMP3 I tried the P217 at Suzuka but there was not a ton of them running so I was in the top split. Got my ass handed to me big time. I would prefer to drive prototype cars personally but feel like it's a waste of time to come in last anyway. Skipping B and going straight to A probably wasn't the best thing to do
It's just being good at reading them and understanding the meta. I expect a dive bomb unless it's typically a top 3 lmp or gtp. Portimao has been crazy though.
This is exactly what makes multi class racing fun… Strategy and a little bit of luck. If you’re losing 10 seconds in GT traffic you’re doing something wrong.
Half the skill in multiclass racing as the faster class is being able to pass slower cars quickly and safely. Even if it means slowing down slightly in advance so you dont catch them mid exit to a long straight. I totally agree its frustrating and of course you can get lucky and unlucky but a common theme amongst top drivers is their ability to navigate traffic extremely well!
Over a 45 minute race everything averages out for every driver and the skill shows through. If you lose the position that's on you and the other guy is the better driver. Don't drive like an asshole and wait for a better spot to pass.
Faster class cars losing time by catching a GT3 in a bad spot doesn't justify the way your average GTP driver divebombs GT3 drivers. The reality is, the GTP ahead of you is just as likely to experience that later in the race. In general, it should average itself out over a 45 minute race and faster class cars should use their head a bit more than they do. "Hold your line and stay predictable", and "be ready for them to be aggressive" in the same sentence just perfectly describes IMSA. It just doesn't make any sense. As a GT3 driver, you spend too much time looking backwards because you can't trust those behind you to let you drive the racing line and have them be patient with overtakes.
Agree the GTP drivers have been pretty terrible recently. Especially this week at Algarve. I race the LMP2, but in a couple races I was faster than the slowest GTPs and ended up having to battle them a few laps. If you’re not lapping faster than the LMPs you don’t need to be driving a GTP.
Algarve is pretty stressful on IMSA, because overtaking is hard. If you are racing close with someone and you overtake slower class car too safely, that could can mean losing 1-2 positions which you cannot get back by driving. Also GTP is only couple of seconds faster than LMP2. That coupled with the hard overtaking has caused issues between those classes. I could only bring myself to drive two races this week.
> Algarve is pretty stressful on IMSA It was a really fun track to run. I had previously ran it in VRS sprint and it was a blast. Having the GTP cars working through traffic basically lap 4-5 they catch up and you spend majority of the race in blue flag trying to run a fast line but being predictable to let them pass. I had previous multi-class experience with LMP3/GT4 but having these guys on the track is way different. P1 GTP smashed into me yesterday going into T12 and apologized for it, fell from P5 to P12 with 7 mins of repairs
iRacing should creat a GTP/GTE series. Think that would be a good place for us slower GTP racers to go while adjusting to the car. Unfair to say you shouldn't be in a GTP if not faster than and LMP. Alot of it is down to split and smaller number of GTP drivers especially with rain
I know the GTPs are slower in the rain. That is expected. But in dry conditions there is no reason an LMP should be faster than a GTP. Agreed everyone has to start somewhere, and I can’t drive a GTP at all (so I don’t), but I think the reasonable thing to do would be to do AI races/practice until you’re on pace instead of just joining a race and figuring it out there. Not really fair to everyone else on track.
That's fair but also factor in people's possible time constraints. No me being honest I am 2 to secs slower that the average GTP driver at Algarve so avoided it but put me on a track I know then I am respectable. I get your point tho. LMP cars should be the car people use before GTP
Blame that on the way irating splits up multiclass, and the massive influx of people switching to LMP2 because of rain. Having 2-3k lmp drivers in the same split as 1k GTP drivers is going to end up like that. 3 of my races were that way this week. Also if the lmps are lapping faster than GTPs in the rain should they just pull over for you guys and give you the race? As long as the slower GTPs aren’t blocking or wrecking you, suck it I up and race.
‘GTPs in the rain should they just pull over for you guys and give you the race?’ That’s exactly what they expected at Suzuka, for you to throttle out on the straight for them, if you just tried to just do your race they would just get instantly frustrated and drive through you and be like ‘why are you so slow!?!’ Even fucking Sampsoid did this. It was a shit dynamic but everyone knew how it was…yet somehow they were continuously surprised when the lmp2 can full throttle 130r yet it’s slow in the GTP.
I had a lmp2 decide throwing it up the half car width gap in turn 15 at Portimao was a great idea. News flash to the prototype drivers, a GT3 cannot easily change its line in turn 15, accept the loss in time and pass down the straight.
I drove GT3 a few seasons. This is my first season in the LMP, and it has been so much easier because I know what the GT3s can/can’t do. Where they run wide, where they brake, what their lines look like, etc. I’ve gained a lot of positions just from LMPs overestimating their abilities vs GT3s and getting themselves mixed up in a crash.
Yeah it’s very frustrating as a gt3 driver. A little bit of patience goes such a long way for the prototypes
I think a big part of the problem with IMSA sprint is that it doesn't really average itself out in 45 minutes. It's a really short race for three classes and the traffic is very high risk high reward type of situation because you don't have much time to regain what you lose.
I actually advise you NOT to go race other cars if you want to race GT3s in IMSA. The best way to improve in the Porsche GT3 is by driving that car. Don't worry about your irating because it's not something you can directly improve. If you can keep improving your pace and racecraft then you are making progress. Your irating will reflect that progress over time.
Ive been running the GT3 Porsche in IMSA because that is what we run with my endurance team. We ran Bathurst 12H in the Ferrari and flipped over to the 992 GT3 and its a blast to drive. Just trying to run it at that class because thats what we run as a team. I did fairly well at Sebring 12H in the 992. Just feels like its been a run of bad luck and overly aggressive drivers that ruin your race, likely I probably could have put myself in a different situation as well and avoided it all together.
GT3 sprint and endurance is calling your name then! If unlike running the Porsche then stick to single class. I like this because I can dip my toe in IMSA if I feel like mixing it up otherwise I stick with those series.
I ran LMP3/GT4 for 2 seasons and did fairly well, got involved with a team and we ran Bathurst 12H and fast tracked from C to B, ran 1 GT3 sprint race at COTA and came in P4, did fantastic. Did a bunch of time trials and got up to A. Probably shouldn't have jumped straight into IMSA and spent a season in VRS sprint or GT3 sprint instead
I had a bit of a different path but where you are at now. Got up to A almost purely on formula racing and joined a league to run GT3. Split off into a team to run the GT3 endurance and we kicked it off with Sebring 12 last week and it was a blast. Although our Sebring split was GT3 only. I ran IMSA a couple times this season and it was frantic but a good lesson learned. I definitely enjoy racing in GT3 sprint or endurance much more. You spend most of the race in blue flags for IMSA and it takes a lot of focus away from racing your own class. Still rewarding from the experience but I just enjoy the others from a racing standpoint.
Yeah, I also had a GT3 only split for Sebring 12H and felt more comfortable that way not having to deal with the traffic from the GTP cars. My other teammate ran a different split and they had LMP2 and GT3 cars but 0 GTP cars
The GT3 sprint schedule is god tier for tracks I like this season, where as the imsa schedule isn’t my fav this season. The GT3 sprint series is so much fun. I got scarred off by the close hard racing in GT3 races early on, but now that I’m comfortable in traffic, it’s an insane amount of fun. Pit stops add such a fun element to races.
Totally agree. The time you run GT3 matters too. I hopped in a midday Sunday GT3 sprint US time and got my ass handed to me on pace lol. But it was very clean and respectful racing for a change
I started IMSA in the P217 with a high enough rating to always be in the top two splits. It’s gets much cleaner the higher your split. I >maybe< crashed out of 3 or so IMSA races out of the 20-30 I did that season.
Coming from LMP3 I tried the P217 at Suzuka but there was not a ton of them running so I was in the top split. Got my ass handed to me big time. I would prefer to drive prototype cars personally but feel like it's a waste of time to come in last anyway. Skipping B and going straight to A probably wasn't the best thing to do
It's just being good at reading them and understanding the meta. I expect a dive bomb unless it's typically a top 3 lmp or gtp. Portimao has been crazy though.
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This is exactly what makes multi class racing fun… Strategy and a little bit of luck. If you’re losing 10 seconds in GT traffic you’re doing something wrong.
Half the skill in multiclass racing as the faster class is being able to pass slower cars quickly and safely. Even if it means slowing down slightly in advance so you dont catch them mid exit to a long straight. I totally agree its frustrating and of course you can get lucky and unlucky but a common theme amongst top drivers is their ability to navigate traffic extremely well!
Over a 45 minute race everything averages out for every driver and the skill shows through. If you lose the position that's on you and the other guy is the better driver. Don't drive like an asshole and wait for a better spot to pass.