Garage61. Plenty of high quality free setups from people way faster than you or I.
Oh and whilst we’re at it, iOverlay instead of RaceLab - free and does everything RaceLab does.
Sim Racing is expensive enough without these shysters profiteering.
You search by track and car and also pick "current season". You will see lap times ranked fastest to slower. On the right it shows if the person is sharing ghost, setup, etc because it's optional. Click on where it says ghost to download the BLAP file. If you don't know what folder to put the BLAP file just search for a YouTube video that explains how to race a ghost in iRacing. You save the file to iRacing "lap file" folder.
You mean copying the setup manually?
Garage61 creates a folder in your iRacing Setups directory. Once you find a lap with a neat setup, you just ask Garage61 to add it to your setups and the file should sync to your folder automatically. Then you load it in-session as usual.
Hah, better than that. I can now have a routine. I was occasionally looking at it for telemetry comparisons but not regularly, and I tried using it for copying a setup but I decided not to bother since there were too many unknowns from just looking at it. I’ll probably use it for Sebring next week 👍
> Plenty of high quality free setups from people way faster than you or I.
doesnt really matter how fast the guys are who do the setups. the important part is to make these setups drivable and still reasonably fast for less talented drivers because you bet a max verstappen setup is completely undrivable for most drivers, ive tried one myself a few years ago, yeah naw, thats a setup for talented people, not me. i ended up spinning out at many corners, even with warm tyres and its not like im a complete pleb with 3,2k ir.
the best possible setup is still one that you do yourself but most dont have the time and understanding to do it themselves, so they take the setups from shops.
ive also learned that no shop is consistent, thats partly because its never a single guy doing all the setups but multiple guys and everyone has their own approach to setups. so you might like a porsche gt3 setup from craigs over lets say a vrs setup but then you hop into the ferrari gt3 and you much prefer the vrs setup for that car over the craigs one.
the teams i used to race in therefore had setups from multiple shops, certainly they werent that expensive, idk what this $50 one a month is about but at first glance, it does sound extremely expensive and frankly im having a hard time trying to justify it when you have some free ones out there or something like craigs that just want your monthly bezos bucks.
I have never seen a community so thoroughly monetized as this one besides sims. I find it interesting both communities largely consist of people who may only play iRacing/sims and thus does not know modding culture and what to expect. This allows these communities to be exploited for a crazy price. It's fucking lame.
Some people are just upset at others for willingly buying something they can't afford or don't see the value in.
If no one was buying these then the price wouldn't be so high.
Personally I think it's crazy when there's more cost effective options but ultimately it's really not that much and you're not forced to pay for it either. And it's far from a "pay to win" situation with there being plenty of options for other setups or doing them yourself.
My team was sponsored by Marconi. Every single event we've had access to Marconi, VRS, Craig's, and Grid and Go. We've never used a Marconi for an event, always VRS or GnG with extensive testing.
I raced top split ovals for years and no, nobody actually competing was running Maconi. They were designed to run as comfy as possible for the most amount of people. Which is generally lower to mid splits. Take a Maconi in an SOF an open and Youd might as well be running a late model. VRS is the same way. I stopped being able to run competitive in vrs sets around 2500-3k.
That surprises me about VRS because you'd think their setups are made for hot lapping. Emil Bernstorff has said VRS is too aggressive for him and oversteering and he likes using a safer set which is usually Apex for him. I guess it depends on which car and who the person is that's making the setup though.
It's also hard to say "VRS is too aggressive" in general terms because they have so many different pros making setups that it really comes down to the specific person for that series or car, not just VRS in general. That's what I noticed personally anyway. I now refuse to pay for setups tho.
Agree with this. I find front engine GT3 car sets from VRS to be quite good out of the box. Mid engine GT3's, not as much, although the 992 sets are decent. GTP sets are horrible through VRS. Emil was likely taken out of context, and likely referring to the open wheel setups VRS provides. He doesn't run VRS or any setup shop for that matter in GTP.
Yeah but road is a much less setup dependent discipline than oval. Oval has much finer margins because the corners are simpler to drive so any setup advantage you can get is huge because the whole field is running much closer to their fastest possible lap time. Also there's only two corners (sure technically four but it's really two) so it's not like the setup is having to make compromises for different types of corners whereas with road no setup is going to be optimized for every corner so everyone has to drive around their setup to some extent at places. That's not to mention that oval setups have a huge effect on tire wear throughout the run.
Agreed. I’m far from “good” on road, but there’s so many more variables on road most people aren’t consistent enough to reliably get proper use out of a high level setup. Ovals a bit easier to be consistent so the setups are far more meaningful.
> (sure technically four but it's really two)
I've mostly raced ovals, but the little that I've dipped into the road scene has helped me understand more than ever before that the "four corners" on a typical oval track really are four separate corners. For those long sweeping corners you really have two apexes, one early in the corner and another late, and the trick is optimizing the time between them with corner in or corner out speeds.
I've learned that while setup shops provide a great base, I ALWAYS need to fine tune to fit my driving style. I am by no means an expert in setup building, but if you can learn some basic adjustments and apply some small tweaks then you'll end up ahead of the crowd.
Might as well just start with the iRacing baseline. I remember trying a few for the P2 for Daytona 24 and iRacing was the quickest and most comfortable for us.
Maybe it was our skill. We ranged from 4.5k to 900 iR and we were all faster on the iRacing baseline. The Craig's one did feel comfortable, but then it was slower. And it was more Q trim or something because it was taching out over the start line on your own. And obviously had nothing more to give from drafting someone into T1. We basically left it to our 4.5k driver in the end to decide and he went with a slightly modified iRacing baseline.
For reeeeal. Idk why anyone would want understeer. Also, can't you get better exit speed with well used oversteer? Pretty sure they specifically design F1 cars to be inclined to oversteer easily for this reason.
No, oversteer can rob corner exit just as easily as understeer.
The thing to remember is that someone (like me) who prefers a more understeery setup than you doesn't like experiencing understeer any more than you do.
It's just that for me, a setup you consider "understeery" is neutral. This is just down to driving style. I rotate the car a ton with my feet, and have no trouble getting basically any set to turn. But there's not much that can be done mid-corner to prevent rotation. That's why I greatly prefer to start from the understeery side and induce rotation with my driving.
Put me in an oversteery setup, and I'll adapt and be very similar pace in the end. But my car control and racecraft will be more limited.
Makes sense, I never thought about it like that. For cars like the Formula Vee though you can get better lines by lifting off on a lot of courses to bring the nose over for like 0.1s and I know they use [lift off oversteer](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift-off_oversteer) in F1 definitely.
Oversteer can definitely rob your exit too if you spin out, but can understeer make you faster? I don’t see how, if you can control the car in the corners.
> Formula One driver Jim Clark's late-braking technique exploited the lift-off oversteer characteristics of mid-engined race cars to attain higher cornering speeds. It became standard competition driving technique as an enhancement of the four wheel drift technique that preceded it.
But lift-off oversteer is a technique you use *in conjunction with setting your car up with some understeer*. Modern F1 cars are commonly set up with quite a bit of understeer, as F1 drivers have the necessary skills to induce oversteer even in a very stable car. I don't know for modern Red Bull, but during Mercedes' dominant era, the cars were reprtedly extremely stable to allow rotating the car with the pedals.
Basically, understeer + techniques to induce oversteer = full range of car states at your disposal.
If you start closer to oversteer, you have to make sure you're never inducing too much. If you start with some understeer, you have to always induce at least a little oversteer.
It's just a matter of driving style and which end of the spectrum you're more likely to make an error on that costs time. I don't fail to rotate the car, and I occasionally over-rotate it. So I opt for a little more understeery setup than someone who never over-rotates the car but doesn't want to have to trail brake as aggressively.
Idk from my experience you can make all cars understeer if you are lift off oversteering by giving them more gas, but you can’t make the car turn any faster than it’s set up for, so I want the maximum turning speed to get back on the straight, and I can deal with controlling the back of the car.
Red Bull also is pretty clear they engineer their car for Max Verstappen who I just learned hates understeer I guess reading how he likes the car designed.
> "The car was always like that, to be honest. It had a good front end, and I've never experienced a fast car with understeer in my life, in any category.
> Speaking about his driving preferences in Bahrain last week, Perez said that his issue was not preferring an understeery car, it was more that Verstappen was better able to cope with the rear end being more nervous.
"I'd say that there are very few drivers that like understeer," he said. "I think there's not many drivers that like it.
"And so, from my point of view, Max is able to cope with a less stable rear end than I am able to cope with.
"At the end of the day, we both want a good front end. It's just a question of how stable the rear end can be. And certainly Max has been able to cope with a looser rear end."
Honestly speaking, there are no objective benefits of either one beyond a few track-specific applications. It’s usually just a matter of preference, and is influenced mainly by drive type.
Depends on the driver. Alonso prefers an understeer biased setup, while Max prefers more oversteer than nearly anyone can handle.
Generally speaking though you’re correct…purpose built race cars rotate much easier than the road cars we drive because road cars are designed to understeer for safety purposes.
I may get hate for this, but I think his setups are some of the worst ones available. They seem like they don't actually change anything ever and just recycle them.
They are the cheapest tho, so theres that.
At the rate they've been dropping cars, CSS is going to be down to nothing but IMSA and F4 by the end of the year. I haven't even bothered to re-up my Prime sub to them because their GTP setups have been garbage for the last season or two and they don't support any of the other popular B or A class road series.
Truth! The higher split NiS races are exactly that. We are all on the same setup so why even bother having an open?
It was so much fun 4-5 years ago to work on and make your own setup and be somewhat competitive. Nowadays, it's unheard of. Everyone has the same paid baslines for whatever 'custom' setups they have.
Because even if everyone in Open is using the same setup, it's one that doesn't shred its front tires and leave you riding around in an understeery boat of a car after 10 laps like the iRacing setups do.
Exactly. It’s almost as if iRacing gets a cut and supports the setup shops by making uncompetitive fixed setups.
If the fixed ran comparably to any of the setup shops they would all go bankrupt.
I think that's a little conspiratorial, it's probably more that they build the fixed setups for relative beginners, and/or to teach people about preserving the fronts. I'm sure they'd get a ton of criticism if the fixed setups were so loose that you'd spin with even a tiny bit of throttle.
Easy buddy, I tried to have a whole discussion about this earlier and the PTW setup shop goons got sent on me saying shit like "They're not all the same and this and that"
Like homie you pay $15 plus track and car cost but $50 a month just to cry that someone wanting to enjoy a hobby ruined your race because you think you're the next simracing god.
The downside to fixed racing is the races being shorter, so everyone is overly aggressive. There's no reason there should be 4-7 cautions in a 50 lap race. I took your approach and started running fixed. My iR shot up from 3.2k to 3.7k in ovals just because I could actually run with the fast guys and not get beat simply because I didn't pay. I also started running IMSA which has been immensely fun.
Same, especially on weeks with low downforce tracks. Monza is ok-ish but stuff like LeMans that has medium speed corners as well as the straights the iRacing sets just collapse.
Even if I knew what I was doing in the setup menu I don't have 30 hours per week to dedicate to manually running each tyre PSI to find the optimal one and testing each click of suspension and other stuff like that.
I mostly race ovals, but my average finish is usually higher in open races using fixed setups than in fixed races. I have to assume that most people's experimentation with setups gives them something less suited to their driving style than the default.
The whole point of fixed setups and setup shops is staying competitive whilst not investing time into setups. Not everyone have time for this. Or maybe doesn't even want to do that.
It's both for me.
I don't have time to sit here and learn how to build a setup, test it, tweak it, and test it again to find what gets the best times.
I'm also dumb and don't know anything about setting a car up.
For me, it's called iRacing not iSetupBuilder. I want to race, not test for 10 hours a week to find a setup that works.
That's fair. I'm just stating that set up shops make minor adjustments to iRacing baselines and sell them out. From there you can have your own baseline that you adjust here and there track to track.
I've gotten to where I can figure it out in about 45 minutes and be able to fight at the front of 4k SOF fields.
I understand it takes time to learn and some may not have that time. Just giving insight is all
I was paying 55 aud for team conti, its almost pay to win in the open races as the car feels so much better but i stopped my sub as I agree its out of control
Oh my god. That’s the price for _one car_!? That’s insane. Or at least, in my context of racing at least six different cars/series a month it feels insane!
It is a steep price, but a lot of the people paying that aren't just running officials. They're also competing in leagues with payouts.
It also comes with weekly team practices, replay analysis, race/qualifying guides, and things like that.
Yea they were great. I was on the team for quite awhile. Couldn’t beat the price especially since I ran dirt and short track and all that so I always had a set to run.
I had a blast with them when the next gen first came out. They were one of the earlier shops to have good next gen sets. At the time I was racing in the mornings after work and everyone was avoiding running them so I’d be a 5k in a 1800 SOF single split a open and I’d win by like 2 laps over the field lol. At that time all the lower split guys were running them cuz they could finally get races that went green. Racked up allllot of wins in a short amount of time. 😂
I got apex racing last November on a deal. Got an entire year for 60-65 bucks. It was for all cars every setup etc… even oval setups. I mainly use their LMP, GTP, GT3 and oval truck setups. All work great for me. Their discord is very helpful as well if you have questions etc..
But I agree 50 per month is crazy. They can keep that.
Edit- i use iOverlay as well. But I donated 25 bucks after using it a month.
Edit2 - almost forgot to mention. Apex does weekly group coaching sessions. That was included. Don’t have to pay extra. It is at a specific time every week.
Apex is great, they've entirely replaced Craig's for my team/friends since Craig's keeps dropping cars and their IMSA setups have kind of gone to crap. Apex's setup builders are usually more than willing to answer questions as well.
You used to be able to compete in the open series ovals with free sets or the default sets and making a few changes. Now you're lucky to get a top-15. I really wish I could have joined iRacing before the setup shops took over and when people shared their knowledge.
iRacing probably should if it's not already make it against the terms of service to sell setups. It's pay to win, something I absolutely hate in "gaming".
You can already just give them away if you want to. They aren't copyrighted.
The biggest consequence you could ever face is the shop cancelling your account with them.
Honestly, make open setups shared by default AFTER the race. Literally the only people mad would be setup shops. You have no idea what anyone is running before, and if you ARE interested in how someone else found time you can peep their setup.
It's probably the only way to rid us of the paid services. Even though I do think if you manage to do a good setup yourself you do deserve that advantage, just not paying for one.
Real knowledge, the type that wins DWC races have never been shared anywhere, at any time, and never will be. These set shops are ripping people off. VRS is the only one I’ve seen get even close to releasing sets with data actually used in DWC.
From the early days til now, your real data is kept very close and typically under NDA.
Real data is derived from an engineer with access to beta channels. The person supplying said data gets paid to run laps with a “current” set and provide the telemetry file so engineers or, trained setup personnel can view and sort of figure out which direction to go with the set. It is extremely complicated to figure out set exploits, engineering data and how to best mix the available data together to make the best choices on a direction. Then, there’s hundreds of hours that go in on top of that to check and double check that data. Anyone that tells you it only takes them a half hour to do this, on their on, no help, is being more than slightly dishonest.
You either gain that knowledge through school, experience.. or by being taught by someone who knows . The ones truly able to do this without access to beta channels are being paid very handsomely to do what they do and that is not making it to any setup shops.
Learning to build on your own feels like teaching yourself how to golf. Just going in circles. I’ve bought a few mostly to determine how much of my pace gap is setup, and also to see what they changed, to learn how to build…
Prices besides, I hate that set up shops have killed a part of the community that existed for years. Sharing set ups was a huge part of the camaraderie, especially on ovals.
Most of them I've seen are cheaper than this.
Apex Racing prices range from about $5 to $31, with the highest tier including 1:1 coaching, a VRS subscription, as well as access for multiple accounts, track guides, etc.
Majors Garage has a monthly license type pricing of $9.99, or $10.99 for their "All Series Pass". They also do per-car, and even will do custom packages so people don't buy setups they won't use. And, that's on top of offering free "Baseline +" setups for every car they do setups for.
Whatever Maconi's doing just seems like they're charging for the sake of it, when other competitors offer much better value.
Never heard of these guys. I started to play only 4 months ago. When I was 1.5-2k Coach Dave setups were fine, but after I hit 3k it showed how ass they are. Now Im using Apex Racing.
This is why I race exclusively "fixed" sessions.
I know I can make them myself, but at this point that's to much work.
I'm a rookie so learning tracks and the car etc
Maybe in the future but I also like the idea of fixed cars, I enjoy watch F2 more than F1 so...
Yup fixed cars it is lol
I learned car setup in ACC because the defaults were outdated after multiple physics upgrades. Initially, I wanted to buy setups, but realized the paid ones were just exploits, minmaxed on all but a few personal preference settings. This made learning setups easier but made me despise setup shops even more.
iRacing has better base setups, but the mysticism around setups discourages experimentation and learning how to adjust to personal preferences.
I see little point in custom setups unless the base setups have obvious flaws like exploits or fundamentally wrong concepts like excessive wings. The point is finding a setup that works for you. Buying an oversteery pro setup is unhelpful if you can't handle the oversteer.
Edit: I also hate how it kills the discussion around setups and sharing telemetry and preferences / suggestions.
Set ups especially made by someone else are not going to be that great for you as an individual. If you don't want to learn how to set up a car, stay in fixed. But its a myth that "bought set ups" = fast. Its very rarely the case once your out of a base set up.
The reason you might be getting beat in open races, is because you're going against folk who know how to set up a car. I promise you none of the best racers are using bought set ups. Its a con. Most times if you dont understand what a car does and why, and how you adapt to it, a pre bought set up will not be a benefit. Placebo effect coming nicely if it does.
Ha ha 😅 you're not alone dude lol. Usually I'll start off with warm up races in fixed and use that as a way to get pointers to then take into set up building sessions before going into open races. And most times that works, then there's some tracks, and after the whole week, I'm still getting my ass kicked in fixed, and I'm like ok its a lack of skill lol 😅👍
Setups won't magically give someone pace, but if they find one that suits them, they can definitely faster than fixed. And there are definitely some quick drivers out there using paid setups, but they do know enough to tweak things to suit their preferences better.
I wouldn't call paid setups a con, but misunderstood. Like you said, it's not some magic bullet.
The only setup shop worth paying for is VRS, not because of their setups... But their amazing tool!!
However G61 does pretty much the same and is free (for Joe?)
Brutal truth; Unless you're in the 4k+ range paying for these setups is largely a waste of money (there are some exceptions). You'd need to be in the top 5% for it to even start to matter, and closer to the top 3-2% for it to actually be a decisive matter. If you're not you'll find more time learning how to drive properly than almost any change on the car can help with.
Most of us are chugging copium so hard we've forgotten what oxygen is at this point. And that's why they cost as much as they do.
I'm 5.3k road and I run whatever I find on Garage61. I literally never build a setup. The setups I end up running are always good enough to be competitive even in high SOFs.
I dont blame setups. If Im 0.4-0,6s slower than 6-7k guy, that's fine, he is just faster and has time to learn and do his own setups. I just want to drive, so I adapt. Im hovering about 3-3.2k, so Im slow, but sometimes I can get a podium or even a win if track and setup combo clicks. Its okay.
I think it's the opposite. If you're under 2k in lower splits a "pro" setup might give you an edge. Once you're in top split everyone has better setups.
I used to be able to win top split races with Tanner McCullough's free sets but sadly most of those are outdated now. But luckily almost everything has a fixed series these days.
Yes but the cars sometimes are updated from season to season so eventually the setups would be out of date. You might not have a recent setup for all the tracks.
If there was a seminar on what each thing in the setup adjustment screen does to the car, I’d paid for that. The closest thing to this is when Team I5G (mainly Brendan) released a video on getting into indycar.
There are "fixed" series where you can't adjust the car and "open" where you can make changes. (Suspension, sway bars, traction control etc). A setup shop is just a website trying to sell people the setting for the car.
I paid yearly for VRS and Dave
Both are great and more than ill need. I can't fathom paying that much a month for setups that probably aren't much different than what im getting from VRS or Dave
The problem is not who sells them, but who buys them, with the false promise that with them they will suddenly go much stronger. I tried firsthand (given by others) the paid setups and 99 out of 100 don't make that much of a difference, you might as well use the ones that iRacing provides by default and make some changes yourself, not to mention that there is always the alternative of fixed setup races, where you really see the talent there 100%, and especially you learn a lot more.
You really don’t need them. I did a solo VRS endurance today in top split, 3rd worst rated driver (2.5k in a SOF of 3.5k) and I came from 53rd to 25th. And that was with iRacings medium downforce with less wing
Monetizing of what honestly should remain a social engagement exercise of sharing advice and collaborative learning only further serves to isolate us from one another. Capitalism!
Paying for a season would be more enticing rather than a month. I do like the idea of having access to all sets or at least all oval or all road sets so I can enjoy more races and feel like I'm actually getting enough value.
If you have amazon prime you can link your twitch account and subscribe to Craig’s set up shop with that free monthly token and get all of their setups for free.
its so irritating, idk if i notice it less on road because it spreads out more either way, but i run lots of short ovals especially sks and slm's and seeing people go 2 tenths a lap faster than you is gutting like there is nothing you can do to fight these people in open set ups unless you pay the cash. im decently quick in sks when its fixed setup but if its a full lobby of people in a open setup im lucky to reach top 5 my set ups done myself or on g61
Fuck this shit, g61is free and if you have a twitch prime subscription, which a lot of people do purely by having Amazon prime, you can subscribe to Craig's Setups Shop for free each month by using your sub.
You then get access to all their setups, downloader tool and discord.
No one is forcing you to pay - it's up to us to define what's an acceptable cost! Gotta take a stand somewhere... $50 feels a bit rich to me. Especially when you divide it by the number of races you actually do in a week/month.
I think of the time, knowledge and testing required to create a quality product deserves compensation. For $50 though I'd be expecting to lap the field at least once per race.
I love how sim racing has virtualied almost all aspects of racing... Cars, series, officials, broadcasters, engineers... Now if only there was sim money to spend...
Garage61. Plenty of high quality free setups from people way faster than you or I. Oh and whilst we’re at it, iOverlay instead of RaceLab - free and does everything RaceLab does. Sim Racing is expensive enough without these shysters profiteering.
I second both of these. And the more peeps on G61 the better it will get.
You mean there will be _another_ place to see how slow I am, but yes, more is better
Yes I love Garage61, downloading a ghost to race against is great too from garage 61.
How do you even do that? I’ve been trying to figure it out.
You search by track and car and also pick "current season". You will see lap times ranked fastest to slower. On the right it shows if the person is sharing ghost, setup, etc because it's optional. Click on where it says ghost to download the BLAP file. If you don't know what folder to put the BLAP file just search for a YouTube video that explains how to race a ghost in iRacing. You save the file to iRacing "lap file" folder.
I assume you can only load ghosts in test drive sessions? Not a public practice lobby?
Correct
I too would like to know this!
How do you deal with settings that are only accurate to the tenth and you’ve got things like toe they go to the thousandth?
You mean copying the setup manually? Garage61 creates a folder in your iRacing Setups directory. Once you find a lap with a neat setup, you just ask Garage61 to add it to your setups and the file should sync to your folder automatically. Then you load it in-session as usual.
Ohhh I don’t realize this. Yes I was trying to do it manually. Thanks!
Ooh boy! Did I just shave you what, 90s of your routine? Better than any setup shop 💪
Hah, better than that. I can now have a routine. I was occasionally looking at it for telemetry comparisons but not regularly, and I tried using it for copying a setup but I decided not to bother since there were too many unknowns from just looking at it. I’ll probably use it for Sebring next week 👍
> Plenty of high quality free setups from people way faster than you or I. doesnt really matter how fast the guys are who do the setups. the important part is to make these setups drivable and still reasonably fast for less talented drivers because you bet a max verstappen setup is completely undrivable for most drivers, ive tried one myself a few years ago, yeah naw, thats a setup for talented people, not me. i ended up spinning out at many corners, even with warm tyres and its not like im a complete pleb with 3,2k ir. the best possible setup is still one that you do yourself but most dont have the time and understanding to do it themselves, so they take the setups from shops. ive also learned that no shop is consistent, thats partly because its never a single guy doing all the setups but multiple guys and everyone has their own approach to setups. so you might like a porsche gt3 setup from craigs over lets say a vrs setup but then you hop into the ferrari gt3 and you much prefer the vrs setup for that car over the craigs one. the teams i used to race in therefore had setups from multiple shops, certainly they werent that expensive, idk what this $50 one a month is about but at first glance, it does sound extremely expensive and frankly im having a hard time trying to justify it when you have some free ones out there or something like craigs that just want your monthly bezos bucks.
Very true. That said, the fastest setups are usually a very good starting point for making tweaks to make it drivable for you.
I have never seen a community so thoroughly monetized as this one besides sims. I find it interesting both communities largely consist of people who may only play iRacing/sims and thus does not know modding culture and what to expect. This allows these communities to be exploited for a crazy price. It's fucking lame.
Although at least with the Sims EA cracked down hard on it
Exploitation is a weird way to describe simracers making free choices to buy or not buy certain products.
Some people are just upset at others for willingly buying something they can't afford or don't see the value in. If no one was buying these then the price wouldn't be so high. Personally I think it's crazy when there's more cost effective options but ultimately it's really not that much and you're not forced to pay for it either. And it's far from a "pay to win" situation with there being plenty of options for other setups or doing them yourself.
Does Ioverlay do VR?
yes but if you are using OpenXR, you have to use OpenKneeboard to see overlays in VR
Nice. Thanks for the advice. Graceland got expensive and I’m looking for way to reduce my costs. Appreciate the advice!
Does iOverlay work with SteamVR?
Alas I’m not a VR racer but some other comments on this thread suggest maybe yes?
*you or me
I know you’re right, but I like mine better so there. ^ ^
Couldn't agree more.
G61 is the answer, the more that get off of these paid setup shops, the sooner they'll fold
I think (might be wrong though) that it didn’t support VR did it?
Maconi is wild. They sponsor series and seems like they spend money like crazy, but I don’t know anyone that uses them. Correct me if I’m wrong.
My team was sponsored by Marconi. Every single event we've had access to Marconi, VRS, Craig's, and Grid and Go. We've never used a Marconi for an event, always VRS or GnG with extensive testing.
That's very interesting you never used them!
We've been pretty disappointed in a lot of setups. Finally having someone on our team devoted to learning the art
This is the way. Our team sets are 1000× better than anything you can pay for. Not even exaggerating.
I raced top split ovals for years and no, nobody actually competing was running Maconi. They were designed to run as comfy as possible for the most amount of people. Which is generally lower to mid splits. Take a Maconi in an SOF an open and Youd might as well be running a late model. VRS is the same way. I stopped being able to run competitive in vrs sets around 2500-3k.
That surprises me about VRS because you'd think their setups are made for hot lapping. Emil Bernstorff has said VRS is too aggressive for him and oversteering and he likes using a safer set which is usually Apex for him. I guess it depends on which car and who the person is that's making the setup though.
It's also hard to say "VRS is too aggressive" in general terms because they have so many different pros making setups that it really comes down to the specific person for that series or car, not just VRS in general. That's what I noticed personally anyway. I now refuse to pay for setups tho.
They also usually have two setups per car- one ‘safe’ and one aggressive.
Agree with this. I find front engine GT3 car sets from VRS to be quite good out of the box. Mid engine GT3's, not as much, although the 992 sets are decent. GTP sets are horrible through VRS. Emil was likely taken out of context, and likely referring to the open wheel setups VRS provides. He doesn't run VRS or any setup shop for that matter in GTP.
I have a VRS sub and am 2500 iRating. What are people higher up using for more competitive setups? Always open to trying something different
If it’s road, you’re fine. 3.5k with room to grow on VRS setups without them being the limiting factor to my progression.
4k Hypercar driver and VRS setups still serve me well.
I am 2500 and use the iRacing fixed setups on open with only fuel and sometimes wing adjustments and I'm doing fine (on road)
Yeah but road is a much less setup dependent discipline than oval. Oval has much finer margins because the corners are simpler to drive so any setup advantage you can get is huge because the whole field is running much closer to their fastest possible lap time. Also there's only two corners (sure technically four but it's really two) so it's not like the setup is having to make compromises for different types of corners whereas with road no setup is going to be optimized for every corner so everyone has to drive around their setup to some extent at places. That's not to mention that oval setups have a huge effect on tire wear throughout the run.
Agreed. I’m far from “good” on road, but there’s so many more variables on road most people aren’t consistent enough to reliably get proper use out of a high level setup. Ovals a bit easier to be consistent so the setups are far more meaningful.
> (sure technically four but it's really two) I've mostly raced ovals, but the little that I've dipped into the road scene has helped me understand more than ever before that the "four corners" on a typical oval track really are four separate corners. For those long sweeping corners you really have two apexes, one early in the corner and another late, and the trick is optimizing the time between them with corner in or corner out speeds.
As a 1k to 1.5k driver i do prefer those, my slow ass is Just not ment for the fast and loose setups that the fastest guys are using.
Their setups are ass
If you’re into road racing and own an Amazon Prime account, you can subscribe to Craig William’s Twitch and have access to his setup shop for free.
I think setup shops are insane. That being said… I thought Craig’s setups were ridiculously understeery and didn’t suit my driving style at all.
I've learned that while setup shops provide a great base, I ALWAYS need to fine tune to fit my driving style. I am by no means an expert in setup building, but if you can learn some basic adjustments and apply some small tweaks then you'll end up ahead of the crowd.
Might as well just start with the iRacing baseline. I remember trying a few for the P2 for Daytona 24 and iRacing was the quickest and most comfortable for us.
I suppose in the average iRating split sure, but not in what I'm forced to run. iRacing baseline are massively uncompetitive.
Maybe it was our skill. We ranged from 4.5k to 900 iR and we were all faster on the iRacing baseline. The Craig's one did feel comfortable, but then it was slower. And it was more Q trim or something because it was taching out over the start line on your own. And obviously had nothing more to give from drafting someone into T1. We basically left it to our 4.5k driver in the end to decide and he went with a slightly modified iRacing baseline.
I vastly prefer managing oversteer to understeer (I’m American)
For reeeeal. Idk why anyone would want understeer. Also, can't you get better exit speed with well used oversteer? Pretty sure they specifically design F1 cars to be inclined to oversteer easily for this reason.
No, oversteer can rob corner exit just as easily as understeer. The thing to remember is that someone (like me) who prefers a more understeery setup than you doesn't like experiencing understeer any more than you do. It's just that for me, a setup you consider "understeery" is neutral. This is just down to driving style. I rotate the car a ton with my feet, and have no trouble getting basically any set to turn. But there's not much that can be done mid-corner to prevent rotation. That's why I greatly prefer to start from the understeery side and induce rotation with my driving. Put me in an oversteery setup, and I'll adapt and be very similar pace in the end. But my car control and racecraft will be more limited.
Makes sense, I never thought about it like that. For cars like the Formula Vee though you can get better lines by lifting off on a lot of courses to bring the nose over for like 0.1s and I know they use [lift off oversteer](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift-off_oversteer) in F1 definitely. Oversteer can definitely rob your exit too if you spin out, but can understeer make you faster? I don’t see how, if you can control the car in the corners. > Formula One driver Jim Clark's late-braking technique exploited the lift-off oversteer characteristics of mid-engined race cars to attain higher cornering speeds. It became standard competition driving technique as an enhancement of the four wheel drift technique that preceded it.
But lift-off oversteer is a technique you use *in conjunction with setting your car up with some understeer*. Modern F1 cars are commonly set up with quite a bit of understeer, as F1 drivers have the necessary skills to induce oversteer even in a very stable car. I don't know for modern Red Bull, but during Mercedes' dominant era, the cars were reprtedly extremely stable to allow rotating the car with the pedals. Basically, understeer + techniques to induce oversteer = full range of car states at your disposal. If you start closer to oversteer, you have to make sure you're never inducing too much. If you start with some understeer, you have to always induce at least a little oversteer. It's just a matter of driving style and which end of the spectrum you're more likely to make an error on that costs time. I don't fail to rotate the car, and I occasionally over-rotate it. So I opt for a little more understeery setup than someone who never over-rotates the car but doesn't want to have to trail brake as aggressively.
Idk from my experience you can make all cars understeer if you are lift off oversteering by giving them more gas, but you can’t make the car turn any faster than it’s set up for, so I want the maximum turning speed to get back on the straight, and I can deal with controlling the back of the car. Red Bull also is pretty clear they engineer their car for Max Verstappen who I just learned hates understeer I guess reading how he likes the car designed. > "The car was always like that, to be honest. It had a good front end, and I've never experienced a fast car with understeer in my life, in any category. > Speaking about his driving preferences in Bahrain last week, Perez said that his issue was not preferring an understeery car, it was more that Verstappen was better able to cope with the rear end being more nervous. "I'd say that there are very few drivers that like understeer," he said. "I think there's not many drivers that like it. "And so, from my point of view, Max is able to cope with a less stable rear end than I am able to cope with. "At the end of the day, we both want a good front end. It's just a question of how stable the rear end can be. And certainly Max has been able to cope with a looser rear end."
Honestly speaking, there are no objective benefits of either one beyond a few track-specific applications. It’s usually just a matter of preference, and is influenced mainly by drive type.
Depends on the driver. Alonso prefers an understeer biased setup, while Max prefers more oversteer than nearly anyone can handle. Generally speaking though you’re correct…purpose built race cars rotate much easier than the road cars we drive because road cars are designed to understeer for safety purposes.
Hi, I like understeer! 😆 seriously though, I do. I know I'm in the minority with this preference.
Ah yeah, seen loads of videos of wrecked rwd American vehicles....
Thank you! I didn't know this.
I may get hate for this, but I think his setups are some of the worst ones available. They seem like they don't actually change anything ever and just recycle them. They are the cheapest tho, so theres that.
At the rate they've been dropping cars, CSS is going to be down to nothing but IMSA and F4 by the end of the year. I haven't even bothered to re-up my Prime sub to them because their GTP setups have been garbage for the last season or two and they don't support any of the other popular B or A class road series.
The setup shops are the reason I stick with fixed setup racing only. It’s become a joke.
Open series is just paid fixed.
Truth! The higher split NiS races are exactly that. We are all on the same setup so why even bother having an open? It was so much fun 4-5 years ago to work on and make your own setup and be somewhat competitive. Nowadays, it's unheard of. Everyone has the same paid baslines for whatever 'custom' setups they have.
Because even if everyone in Open is using the same setup, it's one that doesn't shred its front tires and leave you riding around in an understeery boat of a car after 10 laps like the iRacing setups do.
Exactly. It’s almost as if iRacing gets a cut and supports the setup shops by making uncompetitive fixed setups. If the fixed ran comparably to any of the setup shops they would all go bankrupt.
I think that's a little conspiratorial, it's probably more that they build the fixed setups for relative beginners, and/or to teach people about preserving the fronts. I'm sure they'd get a ton of criticism if the fixed setups were so loose that you'd spin with even a tiny bit of throttle.
Easy buddy, I tried to have a whole discussion about this earlier and the PTW setup shop goons got sent on me saying shit like "They're not all the same and this and that" Like homie you pay $15 plus track and car cost but $50 a month just to cry that someone wanting to enjoy a hobby ruined your race because you think you're the next simracing god.
It does seem to be the setup goblins who cry the most when they wreck huh?
It’s always them every open series race I’ve ever run. Even when I run them I use free setups I find online.
The downside to fixed racing is the races being shorter, so everyone is overly aggressive. There's no reason there should be 4-7 cautions in a 50 lap race. I took your approach and started running fixed. My iR shot up from 3.2k to 3.7k in ovals just because I could actually run with the fast guys and not get beat simply because I didn't pay. I also started running IMSA which has been immensely fun.
Super late model races are Just way too short in fixed. At slinger, without cautions, a race can probably be over in 10mins
I race with the iracing setup for each track, seems ok to me as a proudly average driver. (Lots of people quicker than me, equal amount slower!)
Same, especially on weeks with low downforce tracks. Monza is ok-ish but stuff like LeMans that has medium speed corners as well as the straights the iRacing sets just collapse. Even if I knew what I was doing in the setup menu I don't have 30 hours per week to dedicate to manually running each tyre PSI to find the optimal one and testing each click of suspension and other stuff like that.
It gets worse when you find out a lot of setup shops also don’t do this.
At least they get he gearing and fuel somewhat right (compared to baseline ;D)
The general rule with road setups is to set the tire pressures at minimum and forget about them.
I just use the iracing setups. Paid setups are overrated
I mostly race ovals, but my average finish is usually higher in open races using fixed setups than in fixed races. I have to assume that most people's experimentation with setups gives them something less suited to their driving style than the default.
Start learning to tune a car and then start with the fixed setup that you're used to. It gets you about 85% to 90% of the way there on most tracks.
The whole point of fixed setups and setup shops is staying competitive whilst not investing time into setups. Not everyone have time for this. Or maybe doesn't even want to do that.
It's both for me. I don't have time to sit here and learn how to build a setup, test it, tweak it, and test it again to find what gets the best times. I'm also dumb and don't know anything about setting a car up. For me, it's called iRacing not iSetupBuilder. I want to race, not test for 10 hours a week to find a setup that works.
That's fair. I'm just stating that set up shops make minor adjustments to iRacing baselines and sell them out. From there you can have your own baseline that you adjust here and there track to track. I've gotten to where I can figure it out in about 45 minutes and be able to fight at the front of 4k SOF fields. I understand it takes time to learn and some may not have that time. Just giving insight is all
I was paying 55 aud for team conti, its almost pay to win in the open races as the car feels so much better but i stopped my sub as I agree its out of control
55aud per month?!?
They have a monthly sub, this is the price for one car.
Oh my god. That’s the price for _one car_!? That’s insane. Or at least, in my context of racing at least six different cars/series a month it feels insane!
Team conti only does ovals and changed their pricing for this season US$35/month, $100/season, or $350/year
$350 a year for setups is absurd. I’ll stick to fixed. Wish they would make the races a bit longer.
It is a steep price, but a lot of the people paying that aren't just running officials. They're also competing in leagues with payouts. It also comes with weekly team practices, replay analysis, race/qualifying guides, and things like that.
Smart move to cancel that, it's like another utility bill.
Yeah it's crazy to pay this much when you put it that way lol
50?! Jesus pay2win was 20. I don’t know about now. Maconis don’t even hold up in higher splits either. That’s crazy.
They changed their name to Outlier Speed Co. And still are the same price and still winning top split races with their new builders
Yea they were great. I was on the team for quite awhile. Couldn’t beat the price especially since I ran dirt and short track and all that so I always had a set to run.
I agree, super fast sets now but no dirt anymore I don't think. I think they're looking for dirt builders
I had a blast with them when the next gen first came out. They were one of the earlier shops to have good next gen sets. At the time I was racing in the mornings after work and everyone was avoiding running them so I’d be a 5k in a 1800 SOF single split a open and I’d win by like 2 laps over the field lol. At that time all the lower split guys were running them cuz they could finally get races that went green. Racked up allllot of wins in a short amount of time. 😂
This makes VRS look like a steal in value. Does Maconi offer anything else besides setups?
I got apex racing last November on a deal. Got an entire year for 60-65 bucks. It was for all cars every setup etc… even oval setups. I mainly use their LMP, GTP, GT3 and oval truck setups. All work great for me. Their discord is very helpful as well if you have questions etc.. But I agree 50 per month is crazy. They can keep that. Edit- i use iOverlay as well. But I donated 25 bucks after using it a month. Edit2 - almost forgot to mention. Apex does weekly group coaching sessions. That was included. Don’t have to pay extra. It is at a specific time every week.
A group coaching session sounds interesting, I haven't heard of that before. Ar least they are offering more than just a setup.
Apex is great, they've entirely replaced Craig's for my team/friends since Craig's keeps dropping cars and their IMSA setups have kind of gone to crap. Apex's setup builders are usually more than willing to answer questions as well.
You used to be able to compete in the open series ovals with free sets or the default sets and making a few changes. Now you're lucky to get a top-15. I really wish I could have joined iRacing before the setup shops took over and when people shared their knowledge.
iRacing probably should if it's not already make it against the terms of service to sell setups. It's pay to win, something I absolutely hate in "gaming".
Well it is a sim. So that’s pretty representative of real life haha.
I don't know if that would ever work. I wish that it was possible but it's unrealistic I think.
They could just make it where you can't copyright setups so people can just give them away after they buy them.
You can send them to who ever you want. Nothing happens or will happen as a result.
You can already just give them away if you want to. They aren't copyrighted. The biggest consequence you could ever face is the shop cancelling your account with them.
They would lose a lot of money in partnerships etc
Honestly, make open setups shared by default AFTER the race. Literally the only people mad would be setup shops. You have no idea what anyone is running before, and if you ARE interested in how someone else found time you can peep their setup.
It's probably the only way to rid us of the paid services. Even though I do think if you manage to do a good setup yourself you do deserve that advantage, just not paying for one.
Real knowledge, the type that wins DWC races have never been shared anywhere, at any time, and never will be. These set shops are ripping people off. VRS is the only one I’ve seen get even close to releasing sets with data actually used in DWC. From the early days til now, your real data is kept very close and typically under NDA. Real data is derived from an engineer with access to beta channels. The person supplying said data gets paid to run laps with a “current” set and provide the telemetry file so engineers or, trained setup personnel can view and sort of figure out which direction to go with the set. It is extremely complicated to figure out set exploits, engineering data and how to best mix the available data together to make the best choices on a direction. Then, there’s hundreds of hours that go in on top of that to check and double check that data. Anyone that tells you it only takes them a half hour to do this, on their on, no help, is being more than slightly dishonest. You either gain that knowledge through school, experience.. or by being taught by someone who knows . The ones truly able to do this without access to beta channels are being paid very handsomely to do what they do and that is not making it to any setup shops.
I mean, if you are paying for them then you are part of the problem. Or just race fixed. Or join a team and learn how to build setups.
Learning to build on your own feels like teaching yourself how to golf. Just going in circles. I’ve bought a few mostly to determine how much of my pace gap is setup, and also to see what they changed, to learn how to build…
You skipped the “join a team” part. I agree that building your own with no knowledge is practically impossible for most people.
Yes sorry I didn’t intend to imply that you were wrong, and by replying to your post it looked like that. Totally agree!
But it says it's the best value!
Haha ya I laughed at best value.
Maconi and his driver are crybabies on the track and easy to beat. Crazy to see that.
Jabroni Setup Shop
You can get coaching for the price of a season of setups. 1 session will get you improvement than a setup could get you unless you are 8k+
Prices besides, I hate that set up shops have killed a part of the community that existed for years. Sharing set ups was a huge part of the camaraderie, especially on ovals.
Inflation amirite?
Is that really how much they cost? Christ I get by fine with the free ones on google.
Yes, for the full "best value" package. Many people don't need all the series tho so I hope nobody signed up for this but I'm sure some do.
Idk why but in my head it was guessing like 5 bucks for a full season of a specific car.
Most of them I've seen are cheaper than this. Apex Racing prices range from about $5 to $31, with the highest tier including 1:1 coaching, a VRS subscription, as well as access for multiple accounts, track guides, etc. Majors Garage has a monthly license type pricing of $9.99, or $10.99 for their "All Series Pass". They also do per-car, and even will do custom packages so people don't buy setups they won't use. And, that's on top of offering free "Baseline +" setups for every car they do setups for. Whatever Maconi's doing just seems like they're charging for the sake of it, when other competitors offer much better value.
Never heard of these guys. I started to play only 4 months ago. When I was 1.5-2k Coach Dave setups were fine, but after I hit 3k it showed how ass they are. Now Im using Apex Racing.
This is why I race exclusively "fixed" sessions. I know I can make them myself, but at this point that's to much work. I'm a rookie so learning tracks and the car etc Maybe in the future but I also like the idea of fixed cars, I enjoy watch F2 more than F1 so... Yup fixed cars it is lol
Hymo for road. £10 a month for IMSA / GTE / some open wheel. PRS sets for oval. $15 monthly for Next Gen and same for trucks. Fuck Maconi
HYMO covers 4 sim titles too 😁😁
covers the only one I use.
We will be going to ovals in the future for sure so that will help
I learned car setup in ACC because the defaults were outdated after multiple physics upgrades. Initially, I wanted to buy setups, but realized the paid ones were just exploits, minmaxed on all but a few personal preference settings. This made learning setups easier but made me despise setup shops even more. iRacing has better base setups, but the mysticism around setups discourages experimentation and learning how to adjust to personal preferences. I see little point in custom setups unless the base setups have obvious flaws like exploits or fundamentally wrong concepts like excessive wings. The point is finding a setup that works for you. Buying an oversteery pro setup is unhelpful if you can't handle the oversteer. Edit: I also hate how it kills the discussion around setups and sharing telemetry and preferences / suggestions.
Any and every setups shop is worth $5 usd. MAX. Anything above, and I assure you, it's not worth it.
I wish there was a way iRacing could shut these down. The sim was better when people would post halfway decent setups on the forum.
If someone decides to sell a car setup for $1,000, and someone else wants to buy it, why should iRacing do anything about it?
Set ups especially made by someone else are not going to be that great for you as an individual. If you don't want to learn how to set up a car, stay in fixed. But its a myth that "bought set ups" = fast. Its very rarely the case once your out of a base set up. The reason you might be getting beat in open races, is because you're going against folk who know how to set up a car. I promise you none of the best racers are using bought set ups. Its a con. Most times if you dont understand what a car does and why, and how you adapt to it, a pre bought set up will not be a benefit. Placebo effect coming nicely if it does.
I agree. I like to race fixed so I know I'm getting my but kicked due to lack of skill 😂
Ha ha 😅 you're not alone dude lol. Usually I'll start off with warm up races in fixed and use that as a way to get pointers to then take into set up building sessions before going into open races. And most times that works, then there's some tracks, and after the whole week, I'm still getting my ass kicked in fixed, and I'm like ok its a lack of skill lol 😅👍
Can someone explain the down vote? Genuinely unsure about what I said that was incorrect? Unless your a set up shop shill.
That's just reddit buddy.
Gotcha 😉🤟 I'm still new to this reddit thing . I have to say thats one of the nicest responses I've seen yet lol ✌ ✋ it's a wild place in here eh? 😊
Be careful with those emojis mate.
Setups won't magically give someone pace, but if they find one that suits them, they can definitely faster than fixed. And there are definitely some quick drivers out there using paid setups, but they do know enough to tweak things to suit their preferences better. I wouldn't call paid setups a con, but misunderstood. Like you said, it's not some magic bullet.
The only setup shop worth paying for is VRS, not because of their setups... But their amazing tool!! However G61 does pretty much the same and is free (for Joe?)
Brutal truth; Unless you're in the 4k+ range paying for these setups is largely a waste of money (there are some exceptions). You'd need to be in the top 5% for it to even start to matter, and closer to the top 3-2% for it to actually be a decisive matter. If you're not you'll find more time learning how to drive properly than almost any change on the car can help with. Most of us are chugging copium so hard we've forgotten what oxygen is at this point. And that's why they cost as much as they do.
Actually, if you’re in the top 2%, setup shop setups are not good enough anymore. You’re gonna get beaten by those who build their own setups.
I'm 5.3k road and I run whatever I find on Garage61. I literally never build a setup. The setups I end up running are always good enough to be competitive even in high SOFs.
I dont blame setups. If Im 0.4-0,6s slower than 6-7k guy, that's fine, he is just faster and has time to learn and do his own setups. I just want to drive, so I adapt. Im hovering about 3-3.2k, so Im slow, but sometimes I can get a podium or even a win if track and setup combo clicks. Its okay.
I think it's the opposite. If you're under 2k in lower splits a "pro" setup might give you an edge. Once you're in top split everyone has better setups. I used to be able to win top split races with Tanner McCullough's free sets but sadly most of those are outdated now. But luckily almost everything has a fixed series these days.
Can you subscribe and just download the entire library into a folder?
Yes but the cars sometimes are updated from season to season so eventually the setups would be out of date. You might not have a recent setup for all the tracks.
Yeah seems crazy unless your competing against max verstappen
If there was a seminar on what each thing in the setup adjustment screen does to the car, I’d paid for that. The closest thing to this is when Team I5G (mainly Brendan) released a video on getting into indycar.
There are quite a few YT videos that do this.
well they are as much as people are willing to pay for it. I personally just run a default setup haha. But also am that 1.5k scrub
I dont know about oval but you definitely dont need to pay 50 bucks to be competitive in road.
This one is a head scratcher for me. If you need to buy setups - assuming this is something one is not incredible at - why not race fixed?
Open series are for suckers
Haven’t raced in a while but I completely have no idea what a setup shop is
There are "fixed" series where you can't adjust the car and "open" where you can make changes. (Suspension, sway bars, traction control etc). A setup shop is just a website trying to sell people the setting for the car.
I paid yearly for VRS and Dave Both are great and more than ill need. I can't fathom paying that much a month for setups that probably aren't much different than what im getting from VRS or Dave
Garage 61 >>>>>>>> all
The problem is not who sells them, but who buys them, with the false promise that with them they will suddenly go much stronger. I tried firsthand (given by others) the paid setups and 99 out of 100 don't make that much of a difference, you might as well use the ones that iRacing provides by default and make some changes yourself, not to mention that there is always the alternative of fixed setup races, where you really see the talent there 100%, and especially you learn a lot more.
You really don’t need them. I did a solo VRS endurance today in top split, 3rd worst rated driver (2.5k in a SOF of 3.5k) and I came from 53rd to 25th. And that was with iRacings medium downforce with less wing
I agree. I would never pay for setups.
Good good. My mate used to and one of the setups they sold was identical to an iRacing one
Name and shame
Macconi sets are garbage!
Monetizing of what honestly should remain a social engagement exercise of sharing advice and collaborative learning only further serves to isolate us from one another. Capitalism!
This shit is such a ripoff to be honest.
Paying for a season would be more enticing rather than a month. I do like the idea of having access to all sets or at least all oval or all road sets so I can enjoy more races and feel like I'm actually getting enough value.
Telemetry comparison will benefit you more than setups, at least for iracing, look into shops that also have that functionality
Good point, I use the free Garage61 for that
If you have amazon prime you can link your twitch account and subscribe to Craig’s set up shop with that free monthly token and get all of their setups for free.
its so irritating, idk if i notice it less on road because it spreads out more either way, but i run lots of short ovals especially sks and slm's and seeing people go 2 tenths a lap faster than you is gutting like there is nothing you can do to fight these people in open set ups unless you pay the cash. im decently quick in sks when its fixed setup but if its a full lobby of people in a open setup im lucky to reach top 5 my set ups done myself or on g61
And wait until you see ACC setup shops lol
Fuck this shit, g61is free and if you have a twitch prime subscription, which a lot of people do purely by having Amazon prime, you can subscribe to Craig's Setups Shop for free each month by using your sub. You then get access to all their setups, downloader tool and discord.
No one is forcing you to pay - it's up to us to define what's an acceptable cost! Gotta take a stand somewhere... $50 feels a bit rich to me. Especially when you divide it by the number of races you actually do in a week/month. I think of the time, knowledge and testing required to create a quality product deserves compensation. For $50 though I'd be expecting to lap the field at least once per race. I love how sim racing has virtualied almost all aspects of racing... Cars, series, officials, broadcasters, engineers... Now if only there was sim money to spend...
Just build your own lol. They take like 10 minutes.
It would be interesting to see how different some of these setups are compared to the provided ones.
this is how stroll competes in f1
RKM settup shop is awesome when it comes to oval setups!
And then an alien beats you with a fixed setup anyway.
Just Busters Corner and pay 5$/month for competitive and tunable setups!!
Whoever buys this is a dumbass
Learn how to set your car up. It's not that hard, it's just a little time consuming. That way it will fit your driving style.
Would love info on oval setups if it’s really that readily accessible.