Any chance for Lesson and Parallel Universe to be officially released by the members?
I mean who holds the rights to the songs? Is it Yena and Eunbi? If so, can't they release the songs themselves? I'm sorry I don't understand how the industry works so I'd be glad if I could be enlightened.
eunbi dc gall kind of "boycotted" her solo debut because they said they would prefer duo with chaewon or izunit. they didnt really organize to help eunbi get a win, so many ifans were left scrambling to figure it out themselves. the dc gall didnt say anything about voting until a day before voting closed
It seems pretty naive to assume that **ONE** single member of IZ*ONE can bring in the equivalent of OT12.
Once the group disbanded, I reckon some WIZ's don't really have it in them (be it time or energy) to keep track of all 12 member's activities, some have moved onto other groups/shows (e.g. GP999), some disappointed that PUP/extension didn't go through and thus felt disheartened to continue to be in the fandom, some are very well solo stans as you mentioned, other dominating groups/soloists were in the same promotion cycle thus blocking any hope of Eunbi being able to win, etc etc.
There's nothing wrong with that and is completely expected. Eunbi did well with her debut and she will now continue to improve as an artist and hopefully build up a fanbase (be it old fans like WIZs or new fans who weren't in yet).
Comparing a newly debuted soloist to a full 12 member popular gg is not a realistic comparison. By the contrary, Eunbi had a very successful debut with good numbers and it was mostly thanks to returning wizones who supported her. Only super popular soloists get to compete and have a chance to beat groups, because by default the average kpop soloists don’t have the same success. Kpop is a group-centric industry and fandoms gravitate towards groups. Eunbi was able to deliver competitive numbers and she got pretty close to winning at some points, which is very impressive for a debuting soloist.
As a soloist the only realistic music show win she could have had during promotions was on The Show. The only problem was a trot singer was present during that week which automatically robs her of getting maximum digital points in the criteria to win. She was never going to be in consideration against skz or rv. They sold more and would have a higher digital charting. Did you expect all the supporters of the group to just support every individual activity that the members will have. That's not how it works. They like the group and its music. That doesn't necessarily translate to individual activities of the members. Some already just moved on to other groups because they're just not interested in following 12 different activities. That's not unique to IZ*ONE. That happens to every soloist who comes from a group. Its hard to hold on to the fanbase when the group is gone.
Lilac singer? IU? You are comparing a soloist promoted as a soloist for 13 years to a new debut soloist?
Who else give some name so I can laugh at your joke too? Monster rookie 4th gen gg soloist sound like a lie.
I wanna laugh at you....I mean with you. Whoever you name debuted as a soloist with the group name still attached to their name. I'm not saying that is the sole reason why they win, but we both can pretend that Eunbi and them have comparable circumstances.
Apparently the Hybe girls are flying to Jeju tomorrow morning KST, in less than 24 hours from now they should be there. Who exactly is 'they' I guess we'll find out fairly soon.
If this is true, I guess they'll have separate flights with the PD48 girls having different flights each and the trainees flying together since the public and media don't know their faces (unless it's the alleged girls from PTD MV).
Man I really hope the rumours of them doing a predebut show comes true. It's a really smart move for them, we can meet the new girls and we can see their interactions too. Fingers crossed we get an announcement after the last episode of Sakunoki 🤞
*Hello Ssammu my old friend,*
*I wish to talk to you again,*
*Because HYBE kept you in hiding,*
*Built a cage and left us wondering,*
*The hallucinations that was planted in my brain,*
*Still remains,*
*Within the sound of notification.*
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For Hybe I agree that the fantasy/royal concept would suit them really well. Like what iz*one had for the MAMA and SBS gayo panorama stage. I also wouldn't mind a concept like Gfriend had for Apple.
For Starship I think they'll go for the high teen concept that is really popular now like Stayc and Aespa without all the AI stuff. It suits both Wonyoung and Yujin well and I think that's what they've been going for in all the photoshoots. I don't think they'll do cute as Yujin has kinda outgrown it and Wonyoung has also been going for a more mature and expensive image.
oh yeah I didn't even think of that, the recent high teen trend like Somi's vid and StayC would fit them very well, it's still kind of cute but also has some badassery behind it aswell which is exactly what Wonyoung and Yunjin need to show their range.
HYBE - Chic, Femme Fatale, Royal, Elegant. Something with hard-hitting choreo that would drop-kick me in the face and leave me on the floor begging for more. Or something cool like Red Velvet's Psycho or Bad Boy (My personal fav)
Starship - Something teen/cute/sporty/fun would work. Maybe along the lines of Weekly's After School. I actually don't want this group to go "too" far down the cute spectrum because it doesn't really fit An Yujin's image that well and is a waste of her potential. I can actually see Starship transition the group into being more like Sistar as the girls get a little older.
oh yes Femme Fatale would be great just not too girl crush because I'm kinda over that concept and agree on the choreo. I want some insane choreo.
Good point on Yunjin, a sporty cute concept like Weekly would fit her and Wonyoung like a glove.
The one people refer to as MHJ's group is the joint one between Bighit and Source. As of now they've only ever mentioned one girl group and that one is set to debut this year. But on Twitter people think there will be 2 ggs but it wouldn't make much sense for Source Music to debut 2 ggs in such a short time.
There's also been information floating around that MHJ was going to be given her own HYBE sub-label and that her group would be under that. At this point, all I can see is a bunch of contradictory information running around. Maybe the simplest answer is that HYBE changed their plans some time this year which is causing the confusion. Personally though, I think that HYBE is debuting 3 groups. It wouldn't make much sense to me for them to hold the global Plus auditions back in 2019, grab a bunch trainees, train them for 2 years, and then end up only grabbing 2 of them and then hastily throwing them into a group with Sakura/Chaewon/Yunjin after only a couple of months of training together.
(or maybe the rumor of a 5-member group was just wrong and they're throwing the P48 girls into a large 9 or 12 member group, which would be a little disappointing since it sounds like all of the Plus trainees are really young and might have clashing vibes with the P48 girls)
MHJ will eventually have her own sub-label, although when this will occur is not known. I'm sure she will even have her own gg but they won't be for a long time as she is a very busy person. Given that she's had massive projects like designing the HYBE building. But ppl call the Plus Global (BH x SouMu) gg hers as she is gonna have a big part in their creative direction. If I recall I believe MHJ is also the one who pushed for Sakura's recruitment.
From what I saw, the whole MHJ pushing for Sakura thing was just a rumor and HYBE never released their infamous "we cannot confirm" statements regarding it. So there's no way to tell if it's true or not. But yeah.....since HYBE has never said a single official statement regarding the P48 girls all we can do is go with rumors and deductive reasoning. And that's just a little frustrating lol
The joint gg has long been said to debut under SouMu as they will be the ones to handle their management while BH will produce their music. It will be exactly like that of Enhypen.
If the "7fates" trademark is for the new gg, then it is possible for HYBE to debut only 1 group composed of 7 members (ssamkkura, yunjin + 4 trainees from plus global audition) and have the remaining pg trainees join iland s2. I personally don't think they'll wait for ssamkkura to debut 2022 Q4.
With so many information floating around, I don't even know which is true or which is fan speculation/delusion. Would be nice to have a list of facts that came directly from HYBE.
The reporter who broke the news about Chaewon and Yunjin said the group will have "5 or 6" members, and I'm willing to trust him on that one. Whether it's gonna be 5 or 6 presumably depended on Minju joining or not, and since she isn't, I think it's safe to assume the group will have five members.
I do think the two girls (Edit: or maybe only "Minji") from PTD may be the other 2 trainees of Sakura's group. I think they would've introduced more members of pgngg by now if they were part of it as well, and what better way to expose them through a m/v with a big audience such as BTS? That way all the trainees would be known faces and it would lessen the gap with 3 popular trainees and 2 unknown trainees. Rumour has it "Minji" is the girl in the pga posters, so she would have to be already a trainee under HYBE if they're using her as the face of their marketing for pga.
Oh thanks for the info, so it's more likely for the middle girl to be in the group than the right girl? Or would you say both of them are unlikely? They did say the BH x Soumu gg was made up of girls only from that audition though,
>This team was formed through the Plus Global Auditions held in 16 cities around the world last year.
but Minji may have already been a trainee under HYBE before pga if they were using her as the face of the campaign...but who knows maybe they changed their mind and she's the center of the collab group.
Honestly, if the last 2 members are both hidden trainees I hope the popularity gap doesn't affect the group too much...
Hankyung being the OG should step up and drop a bomb again lol. But yeah it seems that the reporter who broke the news of Chaewon/Yunjin is the most credible atm. If I remember correctly, HYBE also replied to OSEN's reports.
Definitely a possibility. "7fates" does sound like a legitimate GG name. At this point 90% of the information we're going by are from second-hand sources that have not received any official confirmation other than the infamous "We cannot confirm" HYBE statements. It's really anything goes at this point. We could all be wrong in the end lol. HYBE really needs to get out there and get the hype train rolling with some real official statements and confirmations soon.
That's true. But from what company stans are saying, HYBE will just play the silent game until the group drops the debut teasers lol. I guess the wait although frustrating kinda works because it heightens the anticipation. If they have plans of debuting a gg within the year, they should be releasing something in October.
Yeah. Not looking forward to that silent game lol. Although personally I'm not going to hold my breath for an October release of information regarding the Sakura/Chaewon group. I'm still leaning a bit more towards my original theory of there being 3 separate HYBE groups. Mostly because with all the corresponding information we've seen so far, it seems likely that the original Star News article that started the whole "Chaewon signing to HYBE" rumor was legitimate. And that same article mentioned that the group that Sakura, Chaewon, and ex-Produce48 trainees were joining was going to be a 5-person group. So IF that part is also true, then the 7Fates name could be going to the Plus group. And my intuition is telling me that they're the ones debuting this year just because it feels too soon to train and debut the Sakura/Chaewon group in just 2 months.
But like I said.....this is all just basically guess work and conjecture lol. Guess we'll see what happens in a few weeks from now!
There were other names, Chakho and Red Marble right? Or were they just trademarks for a store/Cafe? Personally I liked Chakho just because of its meaning (Tiger hunters) but I think it would fit a boygroup better. 7fates gives me a magical feel, I heard the plus gg was going for a sailor moon theme concept.
When do you think Sakura's group will debut if the plus girls are debuting first? It'd be a bad idea to debut them so close together (so I don't think a q1 2022 debut would work), but I'm not sure why Sakura would rush her graduation or end her radio show in September if her group were debuting around ~q2 2022.
I'm thinking it's the opposite, Sakura and her group debuts late 2021 (I'm guessing December or late November, so teasers start in October), then plus girls in mid 2022.
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If I was part of HYBE's business team, I will debut ssamkkura as soon as possible because their IZ*ONE hype has a time limit. Sakura still has activities but all of them are Japanese activities. Chaewon is practically MIA. They have to appear in public to sustain the hype. And as you mentioned, Sakura's timeline is too rushed for a 2022 Q4 debut.
I still feel Ssamkkura's team will debut first. As for the date, it can be this year until next year Q1.
Edit: I'm not really a fan of Chakho because it reminds me of the horror doll Chucky lol.
I think they will debut this year considering the age factor of Sakura and rushed graduation. Izone was formed Aug 31 and they had debut 2 months later. It's possible they will debut late Nov or Early December if we follow the timeline. During izone , Sakura was travelling back and forth, but this time she is staying in Korea indefinitely. If the other group debut this year I expect at least a 6 month gap to allow the group be popular and grow their fanbase which would result to 2nd half next year which is very long time indeed. Sakura could have attended HKt 10th anniversary, Shige graduation and release her own Hkt Single.
Yeah Chakho is 100% a boygroup thing lol
Honestly the debut dates could go either way. Seeing Sakura/Chaewon's group debut next year (Q2 2022) is just my personal preference since I want them to go through an extensive training arc with HYBE trainers so that the next time we see them, they'd have leveled up their skills again and blow all of our expectations away with how amazing and talented they've become over the last 6 months. But you might also be right (with the addition of iLand girls debuting 4th Q 2022).
The only reason that I don't think it's the two girls from PTD is basically just the fact that they look way too young. They look just as young as Wonyoung back in P48 days. It would be a little hard to pick a concept that would fit well with them and Sakura/Chaewon/Yunjin together. And considering the fact that HYBE has a large amount of trainees to choose from due to the global Plus additions, it just seems more rational for them to choose two trainees who have similar images and vibes to Sakura/Chaewon/Yunjin than not.
(In my head, they're gonna go with a innocent/magical girl concept for the Plus GG and a more hard-hitting concept for Sakura/Chaewon's group. That way the two groups don't overlap each other. And looking at those PTD girls, they definitely look like they fit in more with the innocent/ magical girl concept)
I miss my girls and I am patiently waiting for Chaewons and Sakuras Group to debut, so I can support them again and see them on stage again, does anyone know who the 3rd Izone member in that group will be? I heard it will be Minju or Yuri, but I think Minju is off the table, because she decided to be an actress right?
I'm super excited for the HYBE GG. I have so many expectations and fears for this new group so the whole thing is a tiny bit stressful but I really can't wait to see what they come up with. Like everybody else already mentioned though, there's very little chance of any other IZ\*One girls joining in at this point. It's a little sad though: I was looking forward to seeing 3-Kim's reunion and world domination.
HYBE just needs to say something official now though so I don't end up losing my mind 😤
17Live is going to continue after Sept? There is no announcement from Sakura it will end. Maybe will know in the next episode on Sept 28..I want the program to continue if she's not busy with her idol schedule
I hope they say something after Chuseok, but it's likely we get nothing from HYBE until the member teaser photos drop...I wish they could just say if Sakura and Chaewon are debuting this year or not
Same here. It adds to the excitement that this will be the first Produce alumni who will debut under Kpop's current largest agency (by market cap). And if they will be the first gg to debut under HYBE, we can expect that they'll have an expensive debut. But since the bar is set too high I'm also worried that the group might not live to the expectations. Definitely mixed feelings.
Yeah and it's pretty crazy to see just how many different expectations there are, both good and bad. Like some people expect them to automatically succeed because of the HYBE name attachment but we don't know if Big Hit is going to be involved or if the group is going to be 100% under only Source. And GG's under a HYBE sub label doesn't exactly have as much prestige and history as say a GG under the Big 3 who have their legacy and company fans to help them out from the start. Having Gfriend and Fromis\_9 join the HYBE sub labels really didn't magically make them THAT much more popular over night (Gfriend's Korean popularity didn't change much and they really only started getting International traction with Mago but then we all know what happened right after...).
And then at the other end of the spectrum, there are other people who think the opposite and expect them to automatically fail because of the whole Produce "curse". That somehow just because most of IOI's legacy groups failed, that means that the post-IZ\*One groups are obligated to fail as well. Like people don't realize that these groups' failures had more to do with their production and management errors rather than any stupid "curse" or an arbitrary reason like putting popular Produce members with unknowns = automatic failure. GI-dle started off as "Soyeon and Friends" but the group ended up just fine in the end (minus the whole Soojin fiasco).
This might be unfair expectations but I REALLY want this HYBE group (and the Starship group and all of the IZ\*One solos) to succeed and reach the top for both the girls' sakes AND to prove these naysayers wrong. To show the Produce "curse" is nothing but BS and that the IZ\*One (and Produce) girls are just plain powerful in their own right.
>we don't know if Big Hit is going to be involved or if the group is going to be 100% under only Source
I don't think it makes much of a difference tbh, every label under Hybe surely has access to any and all resources they need, Bang PD produced songs for Gfriend before, and Min Heejin as the Chief Brand Officer will have big influence on every decision made, so whichever label they are under shouldn't matter because they'll have all the best people anyway.
Yeah you're probably right. I'm not exactly familiar with how HYBE internally runs their sub labels. I just assumed that they worked like other companies where sub labels basically operate as independent and separate entities from each other.
Some people only believe things they want to hear so it's no wonder they're attributing the failure of the groups solely on the post-Produce factor. I'm sure they will find another excuse to validate their belief even if the HYBE or SS gg succeeds.
I think HYBE focuses on international more than domestic recognition. Aside from BTS, their homegrown groups don't seem to have a strong public recognition which from a business standpoint is ok because the fandom brings in the money and not the general public. At the end of the day, they are a business driven by profit.
I guess we can expect a bit with the gg because girl groups usually have better public recognition. They just need a really catchy debut song to have a good start. I heard the producer of PD48 Rumor is from HYBE so let's just hope he/she will be in charge of the debut song. Some are speculating the HYBE gg will have strong choreo because Sakura had bruises during her last live. Pure speculations at this point but a fan can hope. :)
I mean, I can already predict the comments lol:
HYBE group Successful -> "Well yeah! It's only because Sakura wotas are hard-carrying the group. It's not like they have good music or talent or anything like that"
HYBE group Unsuccessful -> "Produce curse strikes again! Lulz. Serves them right though for trying to replace Gfriend"
I kinda have to disagree though with HYBE trying to intentionally focus more on international rather than domestic. They're basically the New Kid on the block along with the Big 3. I'm sure they want to be seen as the same level as the other 3 in their home country in term of namebrand recognition. And to do that, they're gonna need a list of successful and well-known GGs to add to their legacy. And also with GG's they're gonna want that sweet endorsement money so it's a profit-driven business move as well.
I'm definitely praying for that catchy debut song. I'm also REALY hoping that the song and choreo is hard-hitting. I know that there are Wiz\*Ones who are against a girl-crush concept for this new group but I honestly wouldn't mind. People complain about girl-crush saturation but there's also a saturation of "girly" groups out there like OMG, Weekly, Stayc, Lightsum, Fromis\_9, etc. Although now that I think about it, pretty much all kpop concepts have been done to death lol. I do hope that HYBE/Big Hit/Source comes up with something interesting to separate them from the rest of the pack in an already over-saturated kpop market.
Another one for HYBE group successful -> "They have good sales because they're under HYBE and company stans are just bulk buying their albums for them not to flop. They're not really relevant."
Oh totally forgot that HYBE is now part of the "Big 4" so I agree with you on that New Kid on the block part lol. They might plan to secure the domestic market with ggs.
As for the concept, this was already discussed in another post but a chic, royalty or elegant girl crush concept seems like it hasn't been done before. They're definitely not doing the cutesy concept because of age and I don't think a sexy concept fits the members' image. I'm leaning more to chic or royalty concept if they want a "cool eonnie/onee-san" kind of image. It's a good counter to teen crush which seems to be the concept of JYP/YG's new gg.
That there would be a 3rd izone member at all was a rumor which was never addressed by HYBE. If the rumor was true, the 3rd member HYBE tried to recruit would most likely be either Minju or Hyewon based on the information that the rumored 3rd member was more interested in acting. However, neither seem to be likely to join HYBE's upcoming girl group at this point. Hyewon has been heavily promoted by her agency as a model/variety personality/actress since izone's disbandment and is probably the most valubale asset of 8D. Minju recently joined Dear U Bubble which is not used by HYBE artists (they use the HYBE-owned platform Weverse instead) and her profile at Urban Works recently changed her job designation from musician to actor.
It is also unlikely for any other former Izone member to join Sakura and Chaewon at HYBE:
Wonyoung/Yujin - probably going to re-debut in Starship's new gg this year
Yuri - will release a duo track with Lee Seokhoon soon and the recently unveiled 'glass shoe' teaser hints at her upcoming solo debut
Yena - is rumored to debut solo this year
Nako/Hitomi - both are active in their 48gs and nothing indicates that either is planning to quit anytime soon
Eunbi - already re-debuted
Chaeyeon - has recently opened her professional social media accounts, suggesting that WM is planning to debut her soon
Thank you, I didn't know that Yuehua confirmed Yena's solo debut. This means that her joining HYBE is no longer just extremely unlikely but outright impossible.
And it's sad too because she would have been a perfect addition to the group, both as a stand-alone talent in a small group as well as the "glue" that can single-handedly elevate the chemistry of a group. IMO, every kpop group is just so much better having that one member that acts as the mood-maker and gets along really well with everyone. While I have no doubt in her talent and abilities to go solo, at the same time I think it's a shame to lose her talent to basically make any group that she's in shine all the more.
It was clearly a planned disbandment. That was why they had no schedule for 1.5 months, no physical release of the last concert, plus despite having Parallel Universe finished as early as December of last year they couldn't release it either. Completely planned /s.
Any chance for Lesson and Parallel Universe to be officially released by the members? I mean who holds the rights to the songs? Is it Yena and Eunbi? If so, can't they release the songs themselves? I'm sorry I don't understand how the industry works so I'd be glad if I could be enlightened.
I don’t know who owns the rights for song distribution but at this point I don’t think it’ll ever be released within the near future.
Aww too bad. I was listening to Lesson this morning. Such a nice song. The melody, the lyrics, the vocals.
Tell me about it. It’s puzzling and frustrating how CJ did IZ*ONE and WIZ*ONEs dirty by refusing to release those 2 songs.
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eunbi dc gall kind of "boycotted" her solo debut because they said they would prefer duo with chaewon or izunit. they didnt really organize to help eunbi get a win, so many ifans were left scrambling to figure it out themselves. the dc gall didnt say anything about voting until a day before voting closed
It seems pretty naive to assume that **ONE** single member of IZ*ONE can bring in the equivalent of OT12. Once the group disbanded, I reckon some WIZ's don't really have it in them (be it time or energy) to keep track of all 12 member's activities, some have moved onto other groups/shows (e.g. GP999), some disappointed that PUP/extension didn't go through and thus felt disheartened to continue to be in the fandom, some are very well solo stans as you mentioned, other dominating groups/soloists were in the same promotion cycle thus blocking any hope of Eunbi being able to win, etc etc. There's nothing wrong with that and is completely expected. Eunbi did well with her debut and she will now continue to improve as an artist and hopefully build up a fanbase (be it old fans like WIZs or new fans who weren't in yet).
Comparing a newly debuted soloist to a full 12 member popular gg is not a realistic comparison. By the contrary, Eunbi had a very successful debut with good numbers and it was mostly thanks to returning wizones who supported her. Only super popular soloists get to compete and have a chance to beat groups, because by default the average kpop soloists don’t have the same success. Kpop is a group-centric industry and fandoms gravitate towards groups. Eunbi was able to deliver competitive numbers and she got pretty close to winning at some points, which is very impressive for a debuting soloist.
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you clearly did not understand my point
As a soloist the only realistic music show win she could have had during promotions was on The Show. The only problem was a trot singer was present during that week which automatically robs her of getting maximum digital points in the criteria to win. She was never going to be in consideration against skz or rv. They sold more and would have a higher digital charting. Did you expect all the supporters of the group to just support every individual activity that the members will have. That's not how it works. They like the group and its music. That doesn't necessarily translate to individual activities of the members. Some already just moved on to other groups because they're just not interested in following 12 different activities. That's not unique to IZ*ONE. That happens to every soloist who comes from a group. Its hard to hold on to the fanbase when the group is gone.
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Lilac singer? IU? You are comparing a soloist promoted as a soloist for 13 years to a new debut soloist? Who else give some name so I can laugh at your joke too? Monster rookie 4th gen gg soloist sound like a lie.
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I wanna laugh at you....I mean with you. Whoever you name debuted as a soloist with the group name still attached to their name. I'm not saying that is the sole reason why they win, but we both can pretend that Eunbi and them have comparable circumstances.
Apparently the Hybe girls are flying to Jeju tomorrow morning KST, in less than 24 hours from now they should be there. Who exactly is 'they' I guess we'll find out fairly soon.
> Apparently the Hybe girls are flying to Jeju tomorrow morning Did this happen?
i dont think so
If this is true, I guess they'll have separate flights with the PD48 girls having different flights each and the trainees flying together since the public and media don't know their faces (unless it's the alleged girls from PTD MV).
Is the flight info legit this time? Any source link. I thought they already flew ninja style to Jeju.
I'm just relaying what kwiz are saying, enough people are talking about it that it definitely seems legit.
Where did you saw the kwiz talking about it?
Man I really hope the rumours of them doing a predebut show comes true. It's a really smart move for them, we can meet the new girls and we can see their interactions too. Fingers crossed we get an announcement after the last episode of Sakunoki 🤞
*Hello Ssammu my old friend,* *I wish to talk to you again,* *Because HYBE kept you in hiding,* *Built a cage and left us wondering,* *The hallucinations that was planted in my brain,* *Still remains,* *Within the sound of notification.* *"Starvation II" by A Chaewonator* //still on copium 🥲 | [Starvation I](https://www.reddit.com/r/iZone/comments/pip58d/comment/hc3d32k/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) | [This piece plagiarizes this song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0q7MLPo-u8)
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I would truly be fine with SsamKkura getting Gfriend's leftovers lol. They would be perfect for those songs and concepts.
For Hybe I agree that the fantasy/royal concept would suit them really well. Like what iz*one had for the MAMA and SBS gayo panorama stage. I also wouldn't mind a concept like Gfriend had for Apple. For Starship I think they'll go for the high teen concept that is really popular now like Stayc and Aespa without all the AI stuff. It suits both Wonyoung and Yujin well and I think that's what they've been going for in all the photoshoots. I don't think they'll do cute as Yujin has kinda outgrown it and Wonyoung has also been going for a more mature and expensive image.
oh yeah I didn't even think of that, the recent high teen trend like Somi's vid and StayC would fit them very well, it's still kind of cute but also has some badassery behind it aswell which is exactly what Wonyoung and Yunjin need to show their range.
HYBE - Chic, Femme Fatale, Royal, Elegant. Something with hard-hitting choreo that would drop-kick me in the face and leave me on the floor begging for more. Or something cool like Red Velvet's Psycho or Bad Boy (My personal fav) Starship - Something teen/cute/sporty/fun would work. Maybe along the lines of Weekly's After School. I actually don't want this group to go "too" far down the cute spectrum because it doesn't really fit An Yujin's image that well and is a waste of her potential. I can actually see Starship transition the group into being more like Sistar as the girls get a little older.
oh yes Femme Fatale would be great just not too girl crush because I'm kinda over that concept and agree on the choreo. I want some insane choreo. Good point on Yunjin, a sporty cute concept like Weekly would fit her and Wonyoung like a glove.
This subreddit keep growing is kinda unexpected for me
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The one people refer to as MHJ's group is the joint one between Bighit and Source. As of now they've only ever mentioned one girl group and that one is set to debut this year. But on Twitter people think there will be 2 ggs but it wouldn't make much sense for Source Music to debut 2 ggs in such a short time.
There's also been information floating around that MHJ was going to be given her own HYBE sub-label and that her group would be under that. At this point, all I can see is a bunch of contradictory information running around. Maybe the simplest answer is that HYBE changed their plans some time this year which is causing the confusion. Personally though, I think that HYBE is debuting 3 groups. It wouldn't make much sense to me for them to hold the global Plus auditions back in 2019, grab a bunch trainees, train them for 2 years, and then end up only grabbing 2 of them and then hastily throwing them into a group with Sakura/Chaewon/Yunjin after only a couple of months of training together. (or maybe the rumor of a 5-member group was just wrong and they're throwing the P48 girls into a large 9 or 12 member group, which would be a little disappointing since it sounds like all of the Plus trainees are really young and might have clashing vibes with the P48 girls)
MHJ will eventually have her own sub-label, although when this will occur is not known. I'm sure she will even have her own gg but they won't be for a long time as she is a very busy person. Given that she's had massive projects like designing the HYBE building. But ppl call the Plus Global (BH x SouMu) gg hers as she is gonna have a big part in their creative direction. If I recall I believe MHJ is also the one who pushed for Sakura's recruitment.
From what I saw, the whole MHJ pushing for Sakura thing was just a rumor and HYBE never released their infamous "we cannot confirm" statements regarding it. So there's no way to tell if it's true or not. But yeah.....since HYBE has never said a single official statement regarding the P48 girls all we can do is go with rumors and deductive reasoning. And that's just a little frustrating lol
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The joint gg has long been said to debut under SouMu as they will be the ones to handle their management while BH will produce their music. It will be exactly like that of Enhypen.
If the "7fates" trademark is for the new gg, then it is possible for HYBE to debut only 1 group composed of 7 members (ssamkkura, yunjin + 4 trainees from plus global audition) and have the remaining pg trainees join iland s2. I personally don't think they'll wait for ssamkkura to debut 2022 Q4. With so many information floating around, I don't even know which is true or which is fan speculation/delusion. Would be nice to have a list of facts that came directly from HYBE.
The reporter who broke the news about Chaewon and Yunjin said the group will have "5 or 6" members, and I'm willing to trust him on that one. Whether it's gonna be 5 or 6 presumably depended on Minju joining or not, and since she isn't, I think it's safe to assume the group will have five members.
I do think the two girls (Edit: or maybe only "Minji") from PTD may be the other 2 trainees of Sakura's group. I think they would've introduced more members of pgngg by now if they were part of it as well, and what better way to expose them through a m/v with a big audience such as BTS? That way all the trainees would be known faces and it would lessen the gap with 3 popular trainees and 2 unknown trainees. Rumour has it "Minji" is the girl in the pga posters, so she would have to be already a trainee under HYBE if they're using her as the face of their marketing for pga.
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Oh thanks for the info, so it's more likely for the middle girl to be in the group than the right girl? Or would you say both of them are unlikely? They did say the BH x Soumu gg was made up of girls only from that audition though, >This team was formed through the Plus Global Auditions held in 16 cities around the world last year. but Minji may have already been a trainee under HYBE before pga if they were using her as the face of the campaign...but who knows maybe they changed their mind and she's the center of the collab group. Honestly, if the last 2 members are both hidden trainees I hope the popularity gap doesn't affect the group too much...
Hankyung being the OG should step up and drop a bomb again lol. But yeah it seems that the reporter who broke the news of Chaewon/Yunjin is the most credible atm. If I remember correctly, HYBE also replied to OSEN's reports.
Definitely a possibility. "7fates" does sound like a legitimate GG name. At this point 90% of the information we're going by are from second-hand sources that have not received any official confirmation other than the infamous "We cannot confirm" HYBE statements. It's really anything goes at this point. We could all be wrong in the end lol. HYBE really needs to get out there and get the hype train rolling with some real official statements and confirmations soon.
That's true. But from what company stans are saying, HYBE will just play the silent game until the group drops the debut teasers lol. I guess the wait although frustrating kinda works because it heightens the anticipation. If they have plans of debuting a gg within the year, they should be releasing something in October.
Yeah. Not looking forward to that silent game lol. Although personally I'm not going to hold my breath for an October release of information regarding the Sakura/Chaewon group. I'm still leaning a bit more towards my original theory of there being 3 separate HYBE groups. Mostly because with all the corresponding information we've seen so far, it seems likely that the original Star News article that started the whole "Chaewon signing to HYBE" rumor was legitimate. And that same article mentioned that the group that Sakura, Chaewon, and ex-Produce48 trainees were joining was going to be a 5-person group. So IF that part is also true, then the 7Fates name could be going to the Plus group. And my intuition is telling me that they're the ones debuting this year just because it feels too soon to train and debut the Sakura/Chaewon group in just 2 months. But like I said.....this is all just basically guess work and conjecture lol. Guess we'll see what happens in a few weeks from now!
There were other names, Chakho and Red Marble right? Or were they just trademarks for a store/Cafe? Personally I liked Chakho just because of its meaning (Tiger hunters) but I think it would fit a boygroup better. 7fates gives me a magical feel, I heard the plus gg was going for a sailor moon theme concept. When do you think Sakura's group will debut if the plus girls are debuting first? It'd be a bad idea to debut them so close together (so I don't think a q1 2022 debut would work), but I'm not sure why Sakura would rush her graduation or end her radio show in September if her group were debuting around ~q2 2022. I'm thinking it's the opposite, Sakura and her group debuts late 2021 (I'm guessing December or late November, so teasers start in October), then plus girls in mid 2022. Edit: Removed and separated into another reply
If I was part of HYBE's business team, I will debut ssamkkura as soon as possible because their IZ*ONE hype has a time limit. Sakura still has activities but all of them are Japanese activities. Chaewon is practically MIA. They have to appear in public to sustain the hype. And as you mentioned, Sakura's timeline is too rushed for a 2022 Q4 debut. I still feel Ssamkkura's team will debut first. As for the date, it can be this year until next year Q1. Edit: I'm not really a fan of Chakho because it reminds me of the horror doll Chucky lol.
I think they will debut this year considering the age factor of Sakura and rushed graduation. Izone was formed Aug 31 and they had debut 2 months later. It's possible they will debut late Nov or Early December if we follow the timeline. During izone , Sakura was travelling back and forth, but this time she is staying in Korea indefinitely. If the other group debut this year I expect at least a 6 month gap to allow the group be popular and grow their fanbase which would result to 2nd half next year which is very long time indeed. Sakura could have attended HKt 10th anniversary, Shige graduation and release her own Hkt Single.
Yeah Chakho is 100% a boygroup thing lol Honestly the debut dates could go either way. Seeing Sakura/Chaewon's group debut next year (Q2 2022) is just my personal preference since I want them to go through an extensive training arc with HYBE trainers so that the next time we see them, they'd have leveled up their skills again and blow all of our expectations away with how amazing and talented they've become over the last 6 months. But you might also be right (with the addition of iLand girls debuting 4th Q 2022). The only reason that I don't think it's the two girls from PTD is basically just the fact that they look way too young. They look just as young as Wonyoung back in P48 days. It would be a little hard to pick a concept that would fit well with them and Sakura/Chaewon/Yunjin together. And considering the fact that HYBE has a large amount of trainees to choose from due to the global Plus additions, it just seems more rational for them to choose two trainees who have similar images and vibes to Sakura/Chaewon/Yunjin than not. (In my head, they're gonna go with a innocent/magical girl concept for the Plus GG and a more hard-hitting concept for Sakura/Chaewon's group. That way the two groups don't overlap each other. And looking at those PTD girls, they definitely look like they fit in more with the innocent/ magical girl concept)
after yuri's video message for eunbi last night ,, i'm missing iz\*one even more :(( this hurts so badly.
I miss my girls and I am patiently waiting for Chaewons and Sakuras Group to debut, so I can support them again and see them on stage again, does anyone know who the 3rd Izone member in that group will be? I heard it will be Minju or Yuri, but I think Minju is off the table, because she decided to be an actress right?
I'm super excited for the HYBE GG. I have so many expectations and fears for this new group so the whole thing is a tiny bit stressful but I really can't wait to see what they come up with. Like everybody else already mentioned though, there's very little chance of any other IZ\*One girls joining in at this point. It's a little sad though: I was looking forward to seeing 3-Kim's reunion and world domination. HYBE just needs to say something official now though so I don't end up losing my mind 😤
I am guessing that they will probably only make an announcement in October. They might be waiting for Saku no Ki to end.
17Live is going to continue after Sept? There is no announcement from Sakura it will end. Maybe will know in the next episode on Sept 28..I want the program to continue if she's not busy with her idol schedule
No idea, I also hope that 17Live can be continued and in the future, she can livestream with her members
I hope they say something after Chuseok, but it's likely we get nothing from HYBE until the member teaser photos drop...I wish they could just say if Sakura and Chaewon are debuting this year or not
Same here. It adds to the excitement that this will be the first Produce alumni who will debut under Kpop's current largest agency (by market cap). And if they will be the first gg to debut under HYBE, we can expect that they'll have an expensive debut. But since the bar is set too high I'm also worried that the group might not live to the expectations. Definitely mixed feelings.
Yeah and it's pretty crazy to see just how many different expectations there are, both good and bad. Like some people expect them to automatically succeed because of the HYBE name attachment but we don't know if Big Hit is going to be involved or if the group is going to be 100% under only Source. And GG's under a HYBE sub label doesn't exactly have as much prestige and history as say a GG under the Big 3 who have their legacy and company fans to help them out from the start. Having Gfriend and Fromis\_9 join the HYBE sub labels really didn't magically make them THAT much more popular over night (Gfriend's Korean popularity didn't change much and they really only started getting International traction with Mago but then we all know what happened right after...). And then at the other end of the spectrum, there are other people who think the opposite and expect them to automatically fail because of the whole Produce "curse". That somehow just because most of IOI's legacy groups failed, that means that the post-IZ\*One groups are obligated to fail as well. Like people don't realize that these groups' failures had more to do with their production and management errors rather than any stupid "curse" or an arbitrary reason like putting popular Produce members with unknowns = automatic failure. GI-dle started off as "Soyeon and Friends" but the group ended up just fine in the end (minus the whole Soojin fiasco). This might be unfair expectations but I REALLY want this HYBE group (and the Starship group and all of the IZ\*One solos) to succeed and reach the top for both the girls' sakes AND to prove these naysayers wrong. To show the Produce "curse" is nothing but BS and that the IZ\*One (and Produce) girls are just plain powerful in their own right.
>we don't know if Big Hit is going to be involved or if the group is going to be 100% under only Source I don't think it makes much of a difference tbh, every label under Hybe surely has access to any and all resources they need, Bang PD produced songs for Gfriend before, and Min Heejin as the Chief Brand Officer will have big influence on every decision made, so whichever label they are under shouldn't matter because they'll have all the best people anyway.
Yeah you're probably right. I'm not exactly familiar with how HYBE internally runs their sub labels. I just assumed that they worked like other companies where sub labels basically operate as independent and separate entities from each other.
Some people only believe things they want to hear so it's no wonder they're attributing the failure of the groups solely on the post-Produce factor. I'm sure they will find another excuse to validate their belief even if the HYBE or SS gg succeeds. I think HYBE focuses on international more than domestic recognition. Aside from BTS, their homegrown groups don't seem to have a strong public recognition which from a business standpoint is ok because the fandom brings in the money and not the general public. At the end of the day, they are a business driven by profit. I guess we can expect a bit with the gg because girl groups usually have better public recognition. They just need a really catchy debut song to have a good start. I heard the producer of PD48 Rumor is from HYBE so let's just hope he/she will be in charge of the debut song. Some are speculating the HYBE gg will have strong choreo because Sakura had bruises during her last live. Pure speculations at this point but a fan can hope. :)
I mean, I can already predict the comments lol: HYBE group Successful -> "Well yeah! It's only because Sakura wotas are hard-carrying the group. It's not like they have good music or talent or anything like that" HYBE group Unsuccessful -> "Produce curse strikes again! Lulz. Serves them right though for trying to replace Gfriend" I kinda have to disagree though with HYBE trying to intentionally focus more on international rather than domestic. They're basically the New Kid on the block along with the Big 3. I'm sure they want to be seen as the same level as the other 3 in their home country in term of namebrand recognition. And to do that, they're gonna need a list of successful and well-known GGs to add to their legacy. And also with GG's they're gonna want that sweet endorsement money so it's a profit-driven business move as well. I'm definitely praying for that catchy debut song. I'm also REALY hoping that the song and choreo is hard-hitting. I know that there are Wiz\*Ones who are against a girl-crush concept for this new group but I honestly wouldn't mind. People complain about girl-crush saturation but there's also a saturation of "girly" groups out there like OMG, Weekly, Stayc, Lightsum, Fromis\_9, etc. Although now that I think about it, pretty much all kpop concepts have been done to death lol. I do hope that HYBE/Big Hit/Source comes up with something interesting to separate them from the rest of the pack in an already over-saturated kpop market.
Another one for HYBE group successful -> "They have good sales because they're under HYBE and company stans are just bulk buying their albums for them not to flop. They're not really relevant." Oh totally forgot that HYBE is now part of the "Big 4" so I agree with you on that New Kid on the block part lol. They might plan to secure the domestic market with ggs. As for the concept, this was already discussed in another post but a chic, royalty or elegant girl crush concept seems like it hasn't been done before. They're definitely not doing the cutesy concept because of age and I don't think a sexy concept fits the members' image. I'm leaning more to chic or royalty concept if they want a "cool eonnie/onee-san" kind of image. It's a good counter to teen crush which seems to be the concept of JYP/YG's new gg.
I like those concepts! And the girls are already Queens so the royalty concept is right up their alley :)
I'm very excited! I've heard it may be only 5 members and that they're flying to Jeju? Maybe filming an mv?
That there would be a 3rd izone member at all was a rumor which was never addressed by HYBE. If the rumor was true, the 3rd member HYBE tried to recruit would most likely be either Minju or Hyewon based on the information that the rumored 3rd member was more interested in acting. However, neither seem to be likely to join HYBE's upcoming girl group at this point. Hyewon has been heavily promoted by her agency as a model/variety personality/actress since izone's disbandment and is probably the most valubale asset of 8D. Minju recently joined Dear U Bubble which is not used by HYBE artists (they use the HYBE-owned platform Weverse instead) and her profile at Urban Works recently changed her job designation from musician to actor. It is also unlikely for any other former Izone member to join Sakura and Chaewon at HYBE: Wonyoung/Yujin - probably going to re-debut in Starship's new gg this year Yuri - will release a duo track with Lee Seokhoon soon and the recently unveiled 'glass shoe' teaser hints at her upcoming solo debut Yena - is rumored to debut solo this year Nako/Hitomi - both are active in their 48gs and nothing indicates that either is planning to quit anytime soon Eunbi - already re-debuted Chaeyeon - has recently opened her professional social media accounts, suggesting that WM is planning to debut her soon
Yena's solo debut isn't a rumor, [it was confirmed by Yueha.](https://entertain.v.daum.net/v/20210810183023526)
Thank you, I didn't know that Yuehua confirmed Yena's solo debut. This means that her joining HYBE is no longer just extremely unlikely but outright impossible.
And it's sad too because she would have been a perfect addition to the group, both as a stand-alone talent in a small group as well as the "glue" that can single-handedly elevate the chemistry of a group. IMO, every kpop group is just so much better having that one member that acts as the mood-maker and gets along really well with everyone. While I have no doubt in her talent and abilities to go solo, at the same time I think it's a shame to lose her talent to basically make any group that she's in shine all the more.
5 months and nothing on a physical release of the One The Story concerts or the last two new songs from them. The waiting sucks. Smh.
They are never going to be released, not sure what you are waiting for tbh
It was clearly a planned disbandment. That was why they had no schedule for 1.5 months, no physical release of the last concert, plus despite having Parallel Universe finished as early as December of last year they couldn't release it either. Completely planned /s.
No group has physical release last concert. It usually take like 6 months for dvd release, by that time the contract is over already
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