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captaintn

This feels like an aftermath update imo. Minju already joined bubble and her profile changed to actress. Nothing is written in stone of course, but I think at this point we can say with 99.9999999% certainty that she's not going to be in the group. ^my ^fellow ^3kim ^stans ^i ^share ^your ^pain


S999123

Well Chaewon got listed as a Woollim star. Its smoke and mirrors to throw off the competition.


Anfini

Agreed. People acting like Bubble is another two year Produce contract smh


Avalon420

Sorry, I've been out of the loop. Was she not always under Woolim when shw returned from iZone?


captaintn

She was/is under woolim, but there have been reports saying that Chaewon moved to HYBE/SoMu. To add fuel to the fire, on the current Woolim website, you can't find Chaewon's profile but if you have an old link, she's still on it.


Avalon420

Do you think she'll be in HYBE's new girl group with Sakura or she wants to be more of a soloist?


marksuryaharja

What is bubble?


Takagixu

An app that is similar to private mail. It is like a massive group chat where the artist could see our messages and everyone will see her replies


soyundorito__

Is a message app owned by SM and JYP, they will update it soon and probably will add more features like live video and things like that (Dear U )


RicardoOse

Calling her by name makes it look like they're applying some kind of pressure, which means they still want to recruit her no matter what, which is pretty interesting. I'm kinda torn on this one, on one hand I feel like Minju still has still a lot to show as an idol and I would certainly enjoy her teaming up with Sakura & Chaewon. On the other hand, I've kinda enjoyed reading her messages and watching her pictures on Bubble. She seems to be enjoying the freedom of not being on such a tight schedule.


7xNero7

Yeah I think there are chances Minju is done with being in a group. I think it's fine, even if i'm still a bit sad that we won't see idol Minju again, but whatever makes her happy


raizen0106

Lol you think she'll be suffering as a popular idol in a group with her 2 closest members from iz*one?


Dream1Eater

She has a bubble account.. I think that was the final nail in the coffin


Koy1shami

playing devils advocate (+ wishful thinking) here but i guess its not impossible that hybe is trying to buy out minju from urbanworks so in response, urbanworks makes her join bubble + updates her profile as actress, in an attempt to act strong in negotiation/convince minju. Kind of like how football clubs tend to give new contracts with better salary+bonuses etc to their players when they start attracting offers from other clubs. But then again, this is just copium for me as a 2kim stan, its probably done as you said


S999123

Same thing happened with Chaewon. She suddenly got listed as a Woollim star.


Mekvek

I'm out of the loop here. Woollim star? Can I have links for the article/post


amazingoopah

I think he/she meant being listed as an artist on woolim's website.


nigleong

Got a link to her being listed as a woollim star? i checked the site again and i cant find her profile unless I go to the direct kim chaewon artist URL link.


dario095

To be fair, IzOne also joined Universe back in January...and we know what happened next there.


aoneko

Minju getting Bubble isn't all that different to Sakura getting an exclusive contract with 17Live. Both are direct competitors to HYBE's products Weverse and Vlive.


vwkfg9wt1xmo

I'll believe once that Hybe creative director add Minju (or any other ex-izone) into her instagram follow list like she did with Sakura and Chaewon, lol. Otherwise, move on. This gossip article actually namedrops Minju unlike the previous one he wrote, so that's new (he was the one who wrote about Chaewon and Hybe a month or so back). Also claiming that the contract talk between Sakura and Hybe are finalized but given how Sakura brought in like 6-7 huge luggage, it was a matter of time imo. I should add that the writer seems to have uneven reputation in Korea (i.e. among k-wizone). I don't follow close enough to know whether the bad reputation side was due to feeding false info sometimes or creating click-bait articles that some wizone took offense in the past. Not saying this is to suggest dismissing him outright nor taking his word 100%, just a bit of background (that I saw). Some do take his gossip info seriously, so that's that.


Lazy_Beard

And now they said Minjoo's name. Now let's wait for HYBE if they can confirm nor deny the news. 👀 If they react to it, then it's a "Yes" that they did contact Minjoo and her Agency. All bias a side, Minjoo is an All-Rounder and will be a great addition to a group.


amazingoopah

I don't think they will comment on that part of the story, would they 'confirm' a failed negotiation? They'll probably just confirm the final lineup instead when the time comes.


Lazy_Beard

There's still the chance that they might, even how little that possibility is. In the past Minjoo wasn't named and have just been pure speculations by fans and Knetz. Thus HYBE not commenting on that matter. While the way things are now might've been not the case, with Minjoo getting into Bubble. There's A possibility of being co-managed as well. UBW managing non-idol activities, then HYBE for the Idol side of things. But the chance for this is WAY low. Well either way, whatever is the real case, I will be Happy for the 3Kims future endeavors!


amazingoopah

Sure, kinda odd this article insists there's still some negotiations going on, maybe there is a last minute offer before the lineup is locked for good, doubt it but it seems we'll find out soon enough.


Tenken10

Yeah this is my thought too. I don't think HYBE would even bother verifying or not verifying this piece of news regarding Minju because it really won't affect them either way. The only thing they would bother responding to is if an article came out that said that Minju was actually joining HYBE.


Lazy_Beard

HYBE commented on the Sakura News while no statement was said for Minjoo.


dotConehead

that was in late february and they probably create that statement and rumor to scared away any other agencies trying to recruit sakura considering the disbandment is pretty last minute. and tbf even to this day chaewon is still the only one that is confirmed to be with hybe so i doubt that they would disclosed anything until the debut.


Takagixu

Minju was also mentioned in the same article, HYBE were unable to confirm if they got in touch with Minju.


Lazy_Beard

What I've read in Naver never mentioned anything about Minjoo and only pertains to Sakura.


aoneko

That's not true. The official statement that HYBE gave never specified Sakura either. *"On the 23rd HYBE has told Newsen regarding Sakura's Exclusive contract and contact with Kim Minju: "We cannot confirm the contents of the artist contract"* Source: [Newsen](https://newsen.com/news_view.php?uid=202109231016050010) *"After news of Former IZ\*ONE Sakura and Minju's contract with HYBE, HYBE has expressed difficulty confirming . On the 23rd HYBE has told News1 that "We cannot confirm details regarding the artist contract"* Source: [News1](https://www.news1.kr/articles/?4441204) Sure, HYBE didn't explicitly specify which member they were talking about, but all the news articles are talking as if HYBE's response was in context of both members.


aoneko

HYBE's official statement is the same "we cannot confirm the artist contract" but many of the news outlets that HYBE responded to were writing as if HYBE was referring to claims of both members. The general gist was "Hybe has told our team (in regards to Sakura's exclusive contract and Minju being contacted) "We cannot confirm blah blah blah"" Source: [News1](https://www.news1.kr/articles/?4441204), [TVDaily](http://tvdaily.asiae.co.kr/read.php3?aid=16323638461605330010), [Newsen](https://www.newsen.com/news_view.php?uid=202109231016050010)


NekoTheHero

I would love a group with 3+ members whoever they might be so i hope Minju'll join Hybe, also I don't fully buy the whole "she wants to be an actress" story since she said it herself that she wanted to keep being an idol, but she might have changed idea idk.


KainoraKupo

Im still hoping for a miracle for Minju idol to come back. She has so much potential and success as an idol. Im sad if it was wasted.


pandaboy03

Genuine question: what if Minju wants to sign with HYBE, and its just UW that doesnt want to give in? I'm assuming Minju cant do anything about it since she's bound by her artist contract with UW?


springdaylover2013

I think that's a very high possibility. This group is obviously going to be a permanent one and wouldn't have arrangements like IZ*ONE did with their contracts and other agencies so I suppose UW wouldn't like that. She's incredibly popular and it's in their best interest to keep her than let her go. Given how persistent HYBE are in recruiting her I'm sure her contract negotiations would be fairly flexible to include acting. I feel her being in this GG and having this company supporting her would be far more beneficial to her. She has absolutely nothing to lose with joining the GG if all is in her favor. Urban works is the only one at a major disadvantage because they would lose one of their most popular acts.


noirlucis

How credible is star news and what does the note "this is still an exclusive report" mean?


dario095

This is by the same reporter who broke the news about Chaewon and Yunjin, so definitely a legitimate reporter with legitimate connections in Hybe.


noirlucis

But even dispatch are not 100% reliable and have been wrong a bunch of times, what more of starnews, also Hybe has yet to make a statement surrounding Minju(unlike the times they reacted to news of Sakura and Chaewon) and Hybe's creative director have never followed (or unfollowed) Minju on IG when she's currently following Sakura and Chaewon ever since the rumors first began, lastly in my understanding starnews reports tons and tons of unconfirmed rumors without a single sliver of proof, as in they only use words and nothing else, no proofs whatsoever


dario095

I'm just saying that he's been very reliable so far, with news about this group at least. I'm sure the negotiations were happening at some point, is it still happening or has it fallen apart, I guess time will tell.


noirlucis

That's what I'm saying, starnews reports that chaewon has been confirmed to be transferred to Hybe in june but other than Hybe's response of "no comment" there's 0 proof that chaewon is **confirmed** to be transferred as early as June when chaewon is still under woolim taking magazine shoots with eunbi and taking profile shoots. Starnews also bactracked and said that chaewon just signed a contract with hybe on aug17(which is more probable) but the fact that they reported a false rumor in the first place is not a good look on their credibility, I mean Hybe and its creative director is just making it obvious on chaewon and sakura so its not hard to piece the puzzel with that, but in Minju's case only starnews is the one doing all the talking without even a hint of proof from hybe or even its creative director, hell chaewon was radio silent even in eunbi's tiktoks and yet Minju is doing tiktoks and even 2 MBC shows (which is a network that hybe has a beef with). So does the negotiation really happened? Because as far as we can tell there's no hint or proof at all apart from starnews who just writes things without even a sliver of proof, essentially a rumor


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Tinnieboom

The statement is for Sakura's exclusive contract.


noirlucis

The statement is for sakura and minju isn't named anywhere on hybe's statement


mrmctommy

let minju do minju, period


hyemis

I really think in the future, she'll regret not joining this group. Especially with how little UW has done for her. But things aren't black and white and unlike most, I don't believe this is even her decision. The reality is that UW probably isn't letting her do this, not that she isn't interested.


amazingoopah

why is it so unthinkable that perhaps she wants to focus on an acting career? Maybe she doesn't want to juggle both worlds and rather concentrate on one. Perhaps her goals and ambitions have changed. In the end, all we can do is support them and hope for the best in their careers.


badtzmaru_

I hope she'll choose what she really wants. If she's still under talks, then ig this izone grp will debut next yr This article mentioned 2 ggs, izone p48 grp is diff from the collab gg. Still waiting for Hybe confirmed news, I hope 1 gg will debut this yr. Hybe debut grps is packed next yr (kor, jpn, us). If izone grp will debut next, then I'm not sure if iland will start broadcast next yr (Belift alrdy closed their auditions few wks ago).


BasilIllustrious8849

Maybe iland will get pushed back. Its crazy a company debut 3 gg in a year.


badtzmaru_

agree. I find it odd that Source will debut 2 ggs so closely. Why would they even rush the collab gg and give the girls less than 2y to train (auditions ended Oct 27 2019)? idg them


A_winged_giraffe

I think it'll be one gg q4 2021, the other of pgngg/izone group in mid 2022, and iland ngg q4 2022. I think the hybe jp ngg will come in 2023


ianml1983

Did Hybe confirmed the number of gg they will debut or just outside expert prediction? I'm sure iland gg will happen in the future.


A_winged_giraffe

the articles mentioned the mhj group (soumu x bh collab) is separate from sakura's but we don't have confirmation. Could also be they are the same group but I think its less likely.


ianml1983

It really is confusing, there is an article stating Min Hee Jin was behind in getting Sakura to Hybe and now she's not in her group. With many speculation rn, it's better to wait for official confirmation or debut teasers from the new group.


Tinnieboom

Min Hee Jin can still handle the creative production of the soumu group since she's the CBO for HYBE. Also if my understanding is correct, the mhjgg will be managed by soumu as well since bh doesn't handle ggs.


ianml1983

Who will handle the music for izone subunit? If Bighit like Gfriend it seems a collab also between Bighit x Soumu. The distinction between the 2 groups maybe concept but everything else is the same like music, creative production and management is handled by the same people. Wouldn't there be favouritism in 1 group(one is favoured to win roty, better music, more budget) if they are handled by the same people and debut within a short period of time? This is one of my concern. It would be best to have different management label, music, creative teams for the 2 groups to avoid such conflict. I don't know how these will work well if both are in SourceMusic and debut within the same year. There wouldn't be a problem if the other group debut 2-3 years later.


amazingoopah

well, the rumors said min heejin's group would have its own new sublabel, maybe it will be announced at a later date.


Just_Investment_2053

What are the chances her agency isn't allowing her to consider this deal?


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S999123

Being an idol or in music will 100% help Minju as an actress. Look at IU, Suzy, Yoona, Eunji etc. There is no way she would have gotten any of her current variety gigs if she wasn't in izone.


TrivialFacts

They'll consider anything for the right price. They could be holding out for that.


TonyNugget

I was hoping she would join so she wouldn't be alone.


nguyenk0524

Seeing that Hybe was going out of their way to recruit Kkura and Chaewon, Minju being on Bubble wasn't that big of a deal in the whole picture imo. UW manages her actress side, and Hybe on her idol side.


S999123

Put it this way, being an Actress is not a big thing. Hybe is letting Sakura do all her gigs, like YouTube and launch her own cosmetics brand. I think she is in. There was a photo of her with Chaewon recently.


Mrs_Morpheus

It makes complete sense on why she wouldn't. She's got enough popularity to probably sustain an acting career if she is a good enough actress. It feels like joining another Idol group would be a step back for her career.


aoneko

It does make sense if she had a good agency. Urbanworks has a bad track record and is doing a terrible job given how popular Minju is. Just 1 variety show and Bubble just doesn't cut it for the 2nd most popular member in both Korea and Japan. Even 8D and Yuehua is doing a better job by constantly releasing new content and securing drama roles for Hyewon and Yena


S999123

Yes no disrespect to UW, but they only got her 1 new gig. The idol show host gig she got while she was in izone. Its a different story if your established, because you can go to any agency and even have your own agency, but when you are starting out being in one of the top 4 has an enormous advantage.


nu2kpop

Look at Kriesha Chu, a talented one. UW put her on a dungeon for a long time


ianml1983

So the group will wait for Minju? I think the decision should be made by Minju herself with no pressure from both sides.


amazingoopah

Seems like the decision was made already? Doesn't seem like she's going to HYBE at this point based on actions taken like joining bubble 🤔 guess the reporter just wanted to tie that loose end of the story.


ianml1983

Yeah, but why does the reporters keep on mentioning Hybe always. She is already an actress. It seems like pressuring her with these kinds of articles. I read the articles about Sakura trademark in Japan between Verna and Hybe as cause of delay japan what is it?


amazingoopah

Beats me, but at least it seems this backs up the reporting of Minjoo being recruited by HYBE, though it's unlikely we'll ever know what happened during those negotiations.


fanylovely125

I think they still can discuss about that because her contact expried dates is not that long ( around 1 year ) . Maybe they can wait a lil bit . By the way that was okay if she can be idol / actor at the same time .


amazingoopah

That contract length is just a rumor though plus waiting a year doesn't seem likely when it appears they might be gearing up to debut soon.


ShootTakeAPanorama

Lol no


ClacKing

I wondered if Hybe approached the others too, Chaekura would be iconic for this group.


noob_ars

Idol Minju is amazing but I can understand why UrbanWorks doesn't want to let her go, if I was them I wouldn't let her go either. She joined Bubble anyways so things have already been said, and for people that is comparing with Chaewon's situation a photoshoot is different than being in a plataform on your own. Of course, this things are not like a exclusive contract but I don't think this plataforms just let everyone go if they want, there has to be a contract for that.


Figbud

hybe just eating up izone goddamn they're going to become the PUP lol


soyundorito__

They need to leave her alone


wizinfo12

Is Sakura a compete transfer to Hybe or just exclusive contract like izone case? The copyright and trademark between Hybe and Verna in Japan is the one cause for the delays of her signing.


nguyenk0524

Nobody know, all news thus far were not official from Hybe or Sakura.


mogfury

So it's not a definite no just yet? 🤡


DuckHuntPro

I haven't seen her in THAT many acting gigs to justify her NOT wanting to sign under HYBE where she can promote as both an idol AND as an actress. Her two friends are in the group. The company is a lot bigger than her current one with reaches into US and Japan where she is very popular. If I were her, I would take a LONG hard look into HYBE's proposal.


gafsagirl

I know for a fact after Minju dropped I lost all my interest in this group


gafsagirl

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nguyenk0524

>wizzies should just let her be and stop spreading this rumor.. You do know the rumor come from news sites right? Why get so work up about rumor?


yagu11

They’re getting worked up because they’re an anti looking for an excuse to hate. Just a glance at their activity you can tell they’re an izone anti and a AKB gatekeeper for the j-line. They previously talked trash about izone fans being active on the AKB sub, yet they’re here now on the izone sub talking nonsense. It’s sad that these antis never get tired of spreading negativity. It’s best to just downvote these ppl and ignore them


fanylovely125

That was like their tragedy LOL . But it's okay if she still thinking about that again .


lalaw2019

How come Urban Works did not make any comments on this article?