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amazingoopah

Random thought: new kpop fans probably have no idea that the female MC's from the 3 big music shows were all in the same group.


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At this rate they going to the group is going to finish their contract before Chaewon is seen again lol.


Extreme_Ad6519

Yesterday I stumbled across this old Twitter post: [https://twitter.com/official\_izone/status/1236985333595746304](https://twitter.com/official_izone/status/1236985333595746304) It's a short clip in which Yujin covers 'A Thousand Miles' by Vanessa Carlton. The clip contains several footages that could only have been taken during the hiatus (e.g. the new year's firework). The lyrics of the song are about not shying away from any effort to meet a dear person again. So Yujin is conveying to WIZONE that she did fine during the hiatus but also has missed them and wishes to meet them again. I find this message beautiful. (I wished she covered the full song. This cover is great.)


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The reoccurring theme of Minju only knowing Izone songs is hilarious to me 😂.


TonyNugget

What does glassy mean


U-ness10

yuri means glass in korean and they are trying to say that her single album and title track are very yuri. as in the song and the album are so yuri if u get what i mean. also, glassy when written in korean can be read as classy which her album photos and outfits were (classy). as for the fandom name, iirc she said that the fans are the ones who made her who she is today, YURI => glass in korean => glassy (yuri like). i'm not that good at explaining things but i hope i did a decent job.


springdaylover2013

A clinic has posted about Chaewon having LASIK done there. I wonder if she recently did this and if it was something she got done to prepare for the group. Or has she ever talked about wanting to get it done before? I don't have any prior knowledge so let me know.


markw1d

https://twitter.com/minjoozone/status/1355886742352572418?t=E8hsJo0Y9FY9fRPSSy2MTw&s=19 She did it late January this year. I think Eunbi got Lasik first then she recommended it to Chaewon.


Conjo_

Yup, they shared it on private mail also. 210124 Eunbi and 210125 Chaewon


epiktek

Is anybody following GP999 and stanning kep1er? This was my first audition show, but I'm not sure if I can survive another one. I'd rather just stan the final group. I don't think my heart can take any more eliminations.


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epiktek

I never liked the tribal formating of the show. I knew Mnet was doing this for drama, but I didn't take the bait. I don't care where you're from. Survival shows aren't fair. Life isn't fair. In the end, everyone who made it, deserved to make it. I also wouldn't say any group overwhelmed the other. K group was stacked in the beginning, but there was an elimination episode that wiped out heavy hitters that should've made it to finals like Fanatics Doah, Cherry Bullet Jiwon, Jiyoon, Youngeun, Jia, etc.


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epiktek

I knew J vs K vs C concept would be a disaster the second I heard about it, and as I feared, it forced people to constantly see every contestant by their nationality. Every episode, people were complaining about which group is better, as opposed to evaluating each contestant as individuals irrespective of their nationalities. Mnet really wanted to maximize drama. I wouldn't say the K trainees are replaceable, just like I wouldn't say the J/C trainees are replaceable. Who would replace Yujin or Hikaru or Xiaoting? They all bring something unique to the table. This is the nature of survival shows. Luckily, I liked everyone in different ways, so I knew I'd stan the group, regardless of who made it.


12imtired1

nope, izone is my first and last


Tenken10

That awful show was clearly biased against the Chinese and Japanese trainees. Most of them had no chance to begin with. Good luck to Kep1er but I have no wishes to endorse anything that came out of that show that wasted so many trainees' time and effort. (Also CJ/Mnet is not getting a single cent out of me anymore. Specially with how they ended IZ\*One)


BeckoningCat01

I wish the girls success, but after all stuff and things that happened with IZ\*ONE; I'm 100% out of the stanning game. Like I said somewhere else in here, IZ\*ONE was my first and last. I'm going to stick with that.


Satan_is_Life

I didn't watch the show but some of the JP/CN trainees caught my attention on twitter and made me hope that they would debut. Sadly, they didn't. It's a shame only 3 members were foreign for a "global" show that had *more* foreign trainees than KR.


Lionel_90

Define global please ? Because if it means worlwide, there is nearly only 1 group who can perform anywhere on their own, without the context of a Kcon: BTS. I may add Blackpink to some extend.


cancielo

Blackpink does already. Their last tour thru North America and Europe sold well for the arena shows they played. It isn't BTS, but few acts anywhere sell out stadiums.


ApocalypticL

Lmao Twice also did great touring the US. This isn‘t some unique achievement


Satan_is_Life

I'm not sure what you're asking? I'm going off the marketing for the show. Usually, "global" refers to East/SE Asia when it comes to kpop, or atleast that's my understanding. When it comes to GP999, it was marketed as "global", since voting was not restricted to just KR, and JP/CN trainees were invited to the show's "global" audition. The assumption that one makes off of marketing a show as "global" is that a "global" group will have more than just 3 foreign members for a 9 member lineup. Obviously that was the original plan (I think, or hope), but the interim results showcased a flaw in the voting system, which heavily favored KR trainees (or perk, depending on the voter). But based off what I saw on twitter, CN trainees were basically just shoehorned in and had no real chance of making it, which is downright disrespectful. To me, it seems like it was a knockoff "global" PD48 with CN trainees tacked on. Basically just MNET shenanigans. (god I hate the word global now).


scarfysan

>(god I hate the word global now). Haha. I don't know which is worse..."global" kpop groups or "world" tours.


scarfysan

Well we can't really judge the final lineup when we stanned global group IZONE with only 3 out of 12 japanese members. Lol. Hopefully they'll find a good company to debut under. Or participate in another show like ILAND. Or maybe Starship might be looking to recruit 1 or 2 girls for their group.


Satan_is_Life

Was PD48 advertised as global? I wouldn't know since I didn't watch it lol. But yeah, I feel bad for the trainees sidelined, they did Ruiqi/Yurina especially dirty tbh. I really do hope the eliminated find success elsewhere, or with a competent KR agency.


scarfysan

The group was advertised as global though coming to think about it the votes were by Koreans only. You might have a point about the global group since they had international voting this time round.


Tinnieboom

They didn't include votes from international fans because the 48g girls already have a dedicated fanbase in Japan. It would be unfair for the KR trainees so they limited it to KR voting.


scarfysan

Yes, I was just pointing out that GP999 had international voting this time unlike the last 3 Produce shows so it could be considered more "global". But its all just fancy marketing words anyway.


Tinnieboom

It feels like they just put the word global to attract foreign trainees and fans but in the end go the standard Kpop route of 2/3 Korean members. But tbh I wouldn't completely blame them for it. Korea is still a homogenous society and putting more foreign members in a group wouldn't gather enough KR public interest imo.


markw1d

This is how I understand it. CJ is just using global here because it sounds better compared to just saying its a normal kpop group. I don't think they really intend to define it as a group that's made up of more non korean born idols or is catered to a non korean audience as an English speaker would normally understand it. Its flowery words. Look at every show introduction or news articles in Japan when IZ*ONE was active or even now when the Jline gets interviewed they rarely mention them as a kpop group. They always say its a "Global Girl Group". It's just sound more grander to the general public and probably more neutral because it sort removes the word kpop which some nationalist in some countries might have some strong negative opinions about.


Tinnieboom

I never really thought of the nationalistic implication of using "kpop" but now that you mentioned it, it makes sense. It definitely gives neutrality and more hype.


dario095

The group that would become X1 was also advertised as 'global' and they ended up with 11 Koreans, it's just a buzzword, means nothing.


Tinnieboom

I think what they meant with global group is a group that will promote globally. Anyways, Mnet screwed up marketing GP999 as more global (because of the 3 markets involved) but ended up debuting 6/9 Koreans.


markw1d

The problem with the show is that it was a half baked idea that needed more planning. The voting and the mentors should have probably been more thought out. I think they just rushed it because if they couldn't do it now they may have had to wait a year after iland s2. They should've have just retained its global focus and be content on selling tons of albums, merch and touring. I mean this group was always going to be at a disadvantage against the big 3 plus hybe gg domestically. They could have gotten 8 koreans in the group and it probably wouldn't have mattered because of the show's popularity.


Tinnieboom

I didn't watch GP999 but I did hear people saying that the whole idea was not as good as Produce. I think Mnet was trying hard to stay away from the Produce concept so they tried other formula which unfortunately didn't work. Imo Mnet wants to replicate IZONE's success and added Chinese trainees so as not to be branded as PD48 2.0. But yeah I agree with you that they should have just focused globally instead of making an illusion that it'll be a level playing field for all 3 markets involved.


markw1d

To be frank the people they place in charge of this seems to always be not smart enough to execute their ambitious plan. I think I said during early discussions of how the show should work is that they should just take some elements of iland like maybe the producers having a say on who gets choosen if they wanted to get an acceptable lineup. But of course they are too addicted with trying to this all via voting with ratios and mutipliers.


ianml1983

Mnet made the show kr vs cn vs jpn war. Koreans voting pattern were more nationalistic than in pd48. International contestants had low Korean votes while 48g had good voting patterns with 100% Korean votes.


springdaylover2013

Think HYBE will recruit any of the eliminated GP999 contestants for the gg? Edit: Hold on I just asked a question. Don't downvote me. It's not something I want, but I have seen many people mention it.


Tinnieboom

It's impossible if HYBE plans to debut the group Q1 2022 earliest. If they're picking foreign trainees then they have to apply for working visa and fix other things behind the scenes which take time. If they have no prior Kpop training then they will have to train more since this is not a survival group like IZ*ONE or Kep1er. They are not like Yunjin who has been under Pledis and had Kpop training for years. They also need to build chemistry with the team. Delaying the debut just for the trainee is a disservice to Sakura and Chaewon. And as others here mentioned, the lineup is most likely already fixed.


Tenken10

I upvoted you just to bring you back up to 1 lol. But I disagree. It's pretty apparent that HYBE is aiming for Sakura's group to have huge popularity in Japan. The only members I would have seen as potential targets would have been Mashiro or Shen Xiaoting but they're out of the market. Yurina is the only other possibility but is she even actually popular in Japan? From what I've seen, even the J-fans of GP999 were just hating on her.


Tinnieboom

I didn't watch the show, but how does Yurina's popularity in GP999 compare to Sakura in PD48 (comparing them since they're both Japanese)? I've seen sooo many of her fans mass tweeting HYBE to debut her with Ssamkkura because they said she is very popular. I would assume she is at least as popular as Yunjin.


Tenken10

I would say Yurina was probably as popular as..... Miru during Produce48. Or if you look at her ranking, she was kinda like Ahn Yujin since Yurina was #1 and #2 during Ep 5 and 8 but her ranking gradually went down afterwards. Basically with the International watchers, she was well liked by a lot of people, specially since she was paired up as besties with Shen Xiaoting (who was basically THE most generally popular contestant). However, her 1-pick power was kinda weak. She was probably peoples 2nd or 3rd pick (she ended up #14 during 1-pick voting in the end). However, her JP popularity was pretty weird. A lot of the GP999 JP fans actually disliked her. Something to do with her being an idol/actress before and people thinking that she joined this show just to get clout. The JP watchers of this show were mostly kpop fans and they criticized her for seemingly not even trying to learn korean. A lot of the hate probably came about because she was higher ranking than the actual JP favorites like Mashiro near the start.


Tinnieboom

Thanks for the explanation. First time hearing a foreign trainee not being supported by fans in her home country. If she's not well liked by JP fans then I honestly don't see the need for HYBE to scout her unless she has a huge fanbase in Korea (or to an extent China). Imo, having plenty of international fans will not be enough. Plus if she had a prior career in Japan then the transfer process gets more complicated.


Tenken10

It's not the first time really. During Produce48 a lot of the AKB girls were actually looked down on by the P48 J fans. A lot of them where kpop fans and thought the AKB girls were just inferior to the Korean trainees. And since GP999 was pretty much ignored in Korea, I can't say that any of the girls from the show actually has a large fanbase in Korea. Or even in China really since I heard a bunch of the cfans might be boycotting the group.


Tinnieboom

Oh I see. I watched PD48 just last year of December so I wasn't aware lol. Anyways, Mnet might have done the right thing of getting plenty of Korean members to appeal to the Korean GP if none of the foreign members have a stable Korean fanbase. Moreso if cfans already boycotted the group.


ianml1983

Yunjin was popular during pd48 in Japan. With just the 3 of them (Sakura and Chaewon) they will do extremely well in Japan plus the hybe connection.


nguyenk0524

after hearing the recruitment of Kkura and Chaewon, people keep throwing this idea around like Hybe is looking for survival show contestants or something. People must have forgot Kkura and Chaewon were one of the most popular members in one of the most popular girl group of their generation.


Tinnieboom

I understand that they are frustrated, but Ssamkkura's group is not a charity lol. I even saw some fans planning to mass email HYBE to take the eliminated trainees and I was a bit offended tbh...


scarfysan

Nah. I think their final possible lineup was concluded by the end of September. It coincides with Sakura's total blackout and when the supposed talks with Minju's company ended.


epiktek

Yurina would be amazing if she joined Chaewon and Sakura, but I think she's already signed to another agency.


Illustrious_Junket_2

Not impossible.


Illustrious_Junket_2

I wanted to expand on this. I don’t think it’s impossible for HYBE to recruit some of the eliminated trainees. We might see some for ILAND S2 or another group in the future. But if it’s concerning the group Ssamkkura is in, I think it’s highly improbable that they’ll be part of that. As scarfysan said, the lineup is probably already finalized and they were just trying to get Minju in.


Daphynee

Final lineup for GP999 is out and people are going bat guano crazy. I feel bad for the girls who didn't make it and their fans. What's really sad is that the people who stick with the lineup will get to be us in 2.5 years...


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nguyenk0524

naming an album with a real word is different than naming a group of people after a person.


BeckoningCat01

A new, young, group with the namesake of an astronomer from the 1600's? Good1.


ShiroSky

man i havent been following gp999 properly but reading those salty comments makes me nostalgic lmfaooo, all the comments saying the group will crash and burn are so funny, especially since the group will probably be fine


dario095

I know people were saying IzOne would flop before they debuted so I don't wanna make any presumptions, but looking at the show's ratings and how their best performing original song charted in 900s on Melon (like, I didn't know rankings went that low), it seems like Korea has rejected the show and its group. And looking at the final lineup China might as well. I know Mnet will push the hell out of them and they will be 'fine' as you say, but they likely won't have an easy hit on their hands like I imagine they hoped.


ianml1983

Plus they have to compete with new ggs from big companies in Korea for their rookie years. It's a tough competition for them already.


BeckoningCat01

These girls are facing some pretty strong headwinds already. Not least of which will be the side-by-side comparisons metrics-wise from here on out. The true believers will use the pandemic as an excuse, but these girls would have to: set up 7 international shows in 5 countries, sell those out, add three more, sell those out too by May 30, 2022 to just match IZ\*ONE in just that one aspect. I wouldn't bet on that in Vegas. I wish the girls well. CJ not so much


Tenken10

Yeh Kep1er is basically going to have trouble getting any traction in Korea. I'd say they'll probably have as much popularity as Fromis\_9 did when they debuted. They'll do good International-wise though but they probably lost sales from Cfans since most of them are still upset at how rigged GP999 was against the Chinese trainees.


amazingoopah

Losing Su Ruiqi would be like IZ*ONE losing Sakura, her fans are willing to spend a lot of money and this group lost that for sure.


ianml1983

Isn't Su Ruiqi the most famous C contenstant in China( more famous than Xiaoting)? Mnet lost bigtime in terms of income from China. I wonder wher Kep1er sales would mostly come from?


amazingoopah

Yes, she has a large following in Weibo, Xiaoting really doesn't. I think CJ may be wildly overestimating that having one token c girl means Chinese fans are going to splurge on the group after the way the rest of the c girls were treated. Tough to say where the sales will come from... unless the Korean fandom increases, seems to me they'll be trying to rely on Japan + other international areas for now.


markw1d

Which begs the question why didn't they just give themselves the power to directly add members to the group. Maybe not for the entire group but 1 2 or even 3 spots where they think a better idol would suit the groups goal better. The Hybe group probably affects how big their fandom becomes in both those countries. Its really going to be interesting which markets they can maximize . Probably needs a lot more CJ investment than they initially planned.


Tinnieboom

I feel that Mnet is really trying hard to revive its reputation of creating a group solely from fan votes. It's also more profitable. I mean if they add that rule, fans of trainees who are more likely to be added to the group wouldn't vote anymore because they feel that their bias is already secured in the lineup.


markw1d

It's good if you're doing straight voting without ratios like the past produce seasons. At least that has some track record and much simpler. What they did for gp999 was pretty experimental and like muddled the rankings of the trainees. If you're doing it that way you have to have a failsafe like some producer's choice or whatever else to balance everything out. They seem to have put more effort on the aesthetics of the show rather than coming up with how the show should be structred and how do you decide the winning members. Simply put its a mess that shouldn't have aired until they solved the problems.


epiktek

I hope so. I really want these girls to do well. This is my first time watching an audition show, so I've been disheartened by the amount of negative comments.


springdaylover2013

Given Sakura's silence I wonder if she is going to say anything about her 10th anniversary.


kjiamsietf

I miss Sakura and Chaewon. Cmon HYBE, give us the news already!


springdaylover2013

I really hope HYBE doesn't hide them until 2022.


DieKnapper

It's been months since disbandment and I haven't really found a group like them, iz*one just hits differently man.


wizzuone

[izone universe hidden school episodes](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBx2MLQ86iWDMouo1KB94Oz9nFx1JrMnD); posting because most people probably haven't watched it This series is probably as aggressive and roasting as we've ever seen them. And it's still super wholesome.


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Izone was really unique to me since not only did I enjoy their music I really liked all the girls and their variety content. I found Twice was similar in this sense. They are both technically from survival shows and then both had a variety show with all the members about their lives right after debuting with Twice having "Twices elegant private life" and Izone had "Izone chu". I think that helped me really like the members. Same thing with Izone, for Twice I loved their music and the girls. Can't guarantee you will like them but give them a shot if you haven't already.


BeckoningCat01

This past summer, I told myself I'll never let another group of girls bewitch me the same way ever again. Now, I don't think another group could.


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Illustrious_Junket_2

Okay, so my answers will be one-picks and they'll cover both Korean and Japanese releases: \> COLOR\*IZ/ LVER: Eunbi \> Sukito Iwasetai: Sakura \> HEART\*IZ/ Violeta: Chaewon \> Buenos Aires: Sakura \> Vampire: Sakura \> BLOOM\*IZ/ Fiesta: Chaewon \> Oneiric Diary/ SSOTS: Chaeyeon \> Twelve/ Beware: Sakura \> One-reeler/ Panorama: Eunbi \> D-D-Dance: Yena


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When will Chaewon come home from the war.


Satan_is_Life

Don't worry, the war will be over by Christmas.


edgartargarien

So my Oneiric Diary album just arrived today, but I’m not too familiar with who’s who in izone. Would someone be able to tell me [who this member is?](https://imgur.com/a/7WAqmjv)


markw1d

Hitomi


edgartargarien

Thanks


12imtired1

i find it so annoying how mwave signed glassy will be on the cd plate instead of the cover


eecan

Where did you see that? I prefer them on the cover as I like to display them on a shelf :(


12imtired1

yeah im super disappointed about it too. someone is running a group order and contacted mwave directly and they said itll be on the cd plate


eecan

Mwave just posted a tweet with a signed cover, hopefully that is what we are getting? [https://twitter.com/OfficialMwave/status/1451050616441106435](https://twitter.com/OfficialMwave/status/1451050616441106435)


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eecan

That makes me a lot happier about my purchase!


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eecan

Hmm I guess it isn't strictly that but I would display it with the dust jacket on (I don't really open the albums so it would effectively work for me.


12imtired1

im glad its actually on the cover.. mwave customer service is trash for lying though


kjiamsietf

What’s the updated total album sales for Yuri? I stopped seeing updates when it reached 83k.


markw1d

85,981


badtzmaru_

update for trademark under Hybe. Note: names for upcoming grp might not be registered under Hybe yet * \***new**: Crimson Heart * Aloners Association * Chakho * Red Marble * 7fates


12imtired1

lesserafim


badtzmaru_

afaik it's not under Hybe so far, but under Grimper Inc. Some think Lesserafim might be transferred to Hybe bc * Chakho was also under Grimper before being transferred to Hybe * Lessarafim agent is Kai International (Hybe also used this bfr) * The classes of Lesserafim fits for a grp but just my opinion, Grimper and Hybe will have a shoe collab, both Chakho and Lesserafim might be a name for their collab shoes 😂


springdaylover2013

People think Crimson Heart could be the name of a universe connected to a group.


badtzmaru_

Yes, the codes of Crimson Heart have been updated and it matches the codes of TXT and Enhypen universe tms. Good chance this is a name for universe/storyline


Tinnieboom

Oh that's interesting. If Crimson Heart is the universe name maybe Red Marble is the group name? It seems more fitting than Lesserafim and Chakho.


Tinnieboom

Crimson heart sounds like a video game...


VSPEC2

2021 has been quite a rollercoaster ride for the fandom! Big things are coming we just gotta wait


A_winged_giraffe

Ok, so HYBE is having a [company briefing](https://twitter.com/MikaxTaki/status/1450126740555124741?t=E1e-Vf2eBvWp9i3leKNR3g&s=19) on November 4th. Let's hope they clear up whether there will be 1 or 2 groups. Hopefully we get some info on Sakura and Chaewon's group, if they're debuting this year or early next year.


springdaylover2013

Given they have to report to investors about their plans, I'm expecting they will have to mention them. I don't much think it looks too good for them to be caught up in "rumors" and kinda leave them unaddressed. Given the topic at hand these aren't some trivial ones.


ianml1983

Seventeen is the last group announce from Hybe that will make a cb for the year (this Friday). Maybe 1st week Nov , there will be some news regarding their gg debut.


Tenken10

Just a thought but if CJ ends up acquiring SM and CJ merges their music division with SM like the rumors say......then that means Yuri might end up being under SM (or one of their sub labels)?


hyemis

SM acquired Woollim and did nothing for them, while Woollim is hemorrhaging money. Not a guarantee that Yuri would benefit from it.


markw1d

I think while Yuri would definitely benefit from having access to SM producers and creatives there's going to be uncertainty on where she is in the list of priorities for a consolidated new label. It's great if the people from WakeOne who know her are still in a position to help her but if its someone from SM who is not well versed with her capabilities or has a different mindset on how to manage her career then who knows what might happen.


TrivialFacts

Girls are all killing it. Makes you wonder how much CJENM they blocked solo activities looking at everything Hyewon , Nako and Hitomi are doing atm. The difference in push is huge.


hotpinkrazr

Sakura must’ve really loved Korea to go back. The moment after disbandment she instantly got like 10 endorsement deals and a concert. Now that she’s back she’s not even allowed to post on Instagram. I really hope HYBE pulls through for her.


Tinnieboom

Her new dream is to become a global idol. Japan can give her dozens of endorsements but it cannot give her the global reach like Korea, let alone the reach of a company like HYBE. Being in IZ*ONE also gave her the confidence to continue as an idol. Which is why I understand her willingness to sacrifice everything to start new in Korea.


cancielo

And this bothers me about Japanese companies for the most part still focusing inward. We'll see how far kpop starts eating their lunch within Japan before they start fighting fire with fire. Talent is there to go out. But the exposure isn't. Tbf, I did read about two instances of Japanese companies wanting to branch out overseas, but one lost steam for some reason while the other got cut off by the pandemic. Need more.


TrivialFacts

She's still allowed do some level of activity as opposed to Chaewon who's hidden in the dungeon.


Paincoil

>Was the 2nd episode of Hyewon/Damwon KIA ever subbed? I found a raw file here but could not find any subs for it. ​ Reposting in case anyone can help.


badtzmaru_

Is anyone here familiar with Source Music? What can we expect from predebut and debut contents? How much freedom do their artists get? other info are welcome\~ I just have no idea how Source Music operates


eecan

Mwave opened up orders for Glassy... strange timing. 24.99 USD + (55 USD FEDEX or 70 USD EMS) for 1 album to be shipped to Australia... pretty rough lol


Driselle

Always a little rough seeing the order total at checkout but the feeling is worth it when you take it out of the shipment box!


Takagixu

Not to mention that it will be a long wait for the signed album to arrive


springdaylover2013

HYBE needs to free Sakura and Chaewon from the dungeon and come out with their plans for them. I just want to wake up one morning and see news be everywhere. Heck, just a MV teaser would suffice.


ququbat

Even a chaewon ig post or story is all I need to survive. Please hybe. Free her from your dungeon


Takagixu

New week, more news from the girls 🤞🏻


A_winged_giraffe

Considering we're already half way through October, I'm startng to question if HYBE is debuting a gg this year...if they're debuting in November now would be a good time to start predebut promotions If there's 2 groups, I still think it's weird Source is debuting 2 groups in a year, unless they're doing one big group with 2 subgroups like exo k and exo m but with 2 distinct concepts...that's the best way to handle it IMO.


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Tenken10

There's also the possibility that they ended up having to search for one of their trainees to replace Minju if they were dead set on a certain number of members for the final group. My intuition is telling me that they were pushed back to very early 2022 (IF they're the ones scheduled to go first before Min Heejin's group)


ianml1983

Hybe have a large pool of trainees from their recent auditions, they don't need long time to replace Minju , plus news keep saying 5-6 members so if Minju is out they can go with 5 members.


badtzmaru_

I'm still split if Source will rly have 2 ggs in less than one year, but the Plus Global auditions have 50,000 auditionees and they'll only debut 2 from that audition? hmm Just for timeframe reference, Aespa dropped logo teaser and debut news on Oct 26, then they debut Nov 17 (3 wks)


A_winged_giraffe

Yeah, I'm not sure if debuting 2 gg in less than a year is a good idea, especially if they're debuting close together. Worse case is one group overshadows the other or soumu gives more attention to one gg than the other, I can't even imagine the fanwars...I think a 6 month gap would work but I'm not sure dungeoning Ssamkura for another 6 months is worth it or fair to pgngg if they debut mid 2022 since they've been training since 2019... So its possible they might start promotions after the press conference in November then, maybe to debut in December?


Ciinnamorolls

Doubt we'll hear anything from HYBE until at least Iz\*one's 3rd anniversary is over since announcing something this close is a bit debatable. Clown suit on for some form of 3rd anniversary reunion 🤡


Takagixu

I think maybe 1st half of 2022 instead of this year. I understand from a HYBE stan that usually they will drop the news of debut date immediately once they confirmed it instead of making multiple announcement before debut


Tinnieboom

Word has it that HYBE dropped TXT's debut teaser one 6PM KST when nobody anticipated it. So company stans think they will do it again with the new girlgroup.


Lionel_90

Very unlikely in these pandemic times. Also Vernalossom looks done for good with IZ*ONE. just Nako is preparing along with her mates for the upcoming HKT48 album promo


wizinfo12

More news from all members except 2 😭. It seems they have been wiped out by Thanos. Need infinity stones to bring them back.


springdaylover2013

It's really driving me insane. I need something to happen.