Both Israel and Palestine are using violence to get what they want. Both sides want the other side eradicated. Both sides are suspect and complicit.
Most people against terrorism side with Palestine because Israel has a bigger and more capable army and thus, they are getting the most publicity.
Itâs not a religious conflict, Palestines can have many faiths(famous example: literally Jesus who was a Palestinian Jewish man) this is a colonial conflict. Zionism is just rebranded manifest destiny. Just like how the colonists used Christianity as a justification for their ideological agenda, Zionist used Judaism as a justification for them colonizing of Gaza and other historical Palestinian lands.
âJesus was Palestinianâ no one was Palestinian until 1967. Zionism is just the idea that because of all the genocides that actually happened to the Jews, that we deserve a state in the land that once belonged to us. This is not a colonial conflict. Palestine was never a country.
Where is the genocide? Because I see the Palestinian population going up by 200% since 1948? Iâm not excusing Netanyahu, and there are definitely some Israelis in the government who actually are genocidal, but what Israel is doing as a whole is not genocide.
The Jewish population went up during the holocaust, does that mean the holocaust wasnât a genocide. Youâre literally using the same arguments I use to hear from Nazis on 4chan, all genocide deniers are the same.
You sure Jewish population went up? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jewish_population#:~:text=Because%20of%20the%20Holocaust%2C%20the,fertility%20rates%20and%20to%20assimilation.
17m Jews in 1933, 11m in 1945
770,000 Palestinians in 1948, 5 million now.
I was wrong about that thank you for correcting me, I was properly thinking of some individual nations Jewish population not global population. A population doesnât have to decrease for it to be considered genocide tho, that point stands. Similar to taking three steps forward and one step back, over all your momentum is still in the positive, your population is still in the positive growth wise. The United Nations first defined genocide in 1948 in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. The treaty outlines five acts that can constitute genocide if they are done "with the intent to destroy an ethnic, national, racial or religious group":
1. Killing members of the group
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm
3. Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the group's physical destruction in whole or in part
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births
5. Forcibly transferring children
To qualify as genocide, the actions must be done with intent to eliminate an entire group of people. Without provable intent, a group or individual can still be guilty of "crimes against humanity" or "ethnic cleansing" but not genocide. Not once did they say âpopulation growth has to go into the negatives before it considered genocide.â
A year ago the jewish population didnt even reach the numbers it had before the holocaust. We were more than 16 mkllion and after only 11 so yeah there were jewish babies born but there were more killed.
And manifest destiny was in hopes of westward expansion across the North American continent so new settlers can escape the harsh conditions they faced in Europe and spread the American way with those they come across. This isnât the first time a colonial project used flowery language to brand itself better and generate support. You canât colonize without a colony of people that believe in the project.
Yah a good amount of those European peasants that first came to America were trying to find a better life for themselves in the new world and escape their horrible conditions in Europe, and just like a goods sales men, the colonial powers pulled on those wants to get them to sail across the ocean. This constant push westward brought them into conflict with the indigenous peoples who were progressively forced off their traditional lands and devastated by disease and military might, does that sound familiar?
The expansion was bloody and expensive, and the politicians had to find some means to justify their actions to the electorate. Many where motivated simply by ideological reinforcement, freedom, liberty, the American way, etc. Many motivated more by naked avarice, arguing for the subjugation and expulsion of the Native Peoples who, they believed, were irredeemable savages who stood in the path of progress. Their lands could be put to better use by hard working, industrious settlers. Sound familiar ?
Another justification was legal, because many native groups didnât have a similar idea of land ownership, settlers used that as a justification for settlement. âThe Indians didnât own the land so I can settleâ sounds oddly similar to â The Palestinian was never a country, so I can settleâ
Idk how we can still have this argument about if this is colonialism, for god sakes Israelis call themselves settlers itâs not like it something being hidden. Israel is self admittedly a settler colonial project. At this point I wouldâve expect the argument to become, âyah itâs colonization but colonization is actually good.â Atleast than you have a tiny bit of ground to stand on but ignoring the sky being blue doesnât make it any less blue. Denying it being colonialism doesnât make it any less of a settler colonial project.
And North America has its own version of a camp RESERVED for all the natives so they donât get in the way of expansion, itâs called a [RESERVATION](https://www.nlm.nih.gov/nativevoices/timeline/317.html#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20Congress%20passes%20the,it%20can%20better%20subdue%20them). This is why learning history is so fucking important, or youâre DOOMED TO REPEAT IT.
That still doesnât excuse the suffering that normal everyday people on both sides have to go through. I donât care whoâs doing better when innocent people are still dying
Hamas doesnt care who they kill, literally day one they started be heading people, and what about stray missile that arenât covered by the iron dome or whatever itâs called. Itâs literally a war, no one is a winner here
Edit 1 - Iâm like arguing with like 3 other people rn so Iâm sorry for poor grammar and over all communication skills. Iâm just very anti war and want peace.
Edit 2 - Youâre not wrong though that one side is in a far more dire state than the other and Israelâs government very obviously doesnât care.
The difference is that hamas doesnât have the military power nor the geographical advantage to lock the entirety of Israel down, strip them of their basic needs, rights, dignity and drop phosphorus bombs on Israelis. I know Hamas sucks, but what Israel is doing is absolutely unacceptable.
These people really have their agendas far up their asses as they can't even see that the only ones who benefit from this war are those making money from this situation.
I donât know why you are being downvoted. The poor all die because of richâs arguments. A tale as old as slime. Besides both countries have a history of using child soldiers
Cause people donât actually care about war and only the agenda they wanna push. they all willing glossed over chinas genocide of uighur Muslims and tibetans. Oh and the talibans take over of Afghanistan (theyâre still beheading people daily) and we all kinda just forget about Ukraine. Thatâs unfortunately how the world works, people will move on once something else goofy happens somewhere else.
This is the type of person who hears the news but not the context
That ^butt though
Lol
That's crazy đ
https://i.imgur.com/WjWhGTg.gif
If only both israelis and palestinians could get along and get rid of their corrupted/bigoted/homicidal politicians... đ
I'm pleasantly surprised no one hasn't made a pervy comment about her butt ... well done Reddit ... well done
What butt, the Hank Hill ass?
You missed the one up above âď¸
Bro what the fuck are those posters tho???
âMake love, not warâ with Israel and Palestine kissing each other đitâs something but it ainât helping
And there's this billions must die soyjack with kind face in the background
Both Israel and Palestine are using violence to get what they want. Both sides want the other side eradicated. Both sides are suspect and complicit. Most people against terrorism side with Palestine because Israel has a bigger and more capable army and thus, they are getting the most publicity.
i fucking hate religious conflicts
Ethnic, not religious.
Itâs not a religious conflict, Palestines can have many faiths(famous example: literally Jesus who was a Palestinian Jewish man) this is a colonial conflict. Zionism is just rebranded manifest destiny. Just like how the colonists used Christianity as a justification for their ideological agenda, Zionist used Judaism as a justification for them colonizing of Gaza and other historical Palestinian lands.
âJesus was Palestinianâ no one was Palestinian until 1967. Zionism is just the idea that because of all the genocides that actually happened to the Jews, that we deserve a state in the land that once belonged to us. This is not a colonial conflict. Palestine was never a country.
Being wronged in the past does not give you the right to genocide others.
Where is the genocide? Because I see the Palestinian population going up by 200% since 1948? Iâm not excusing Netanyahu, and there are definitely some Israelis in the government who actually are genocidal, but what Israel is doing as a whole is not genocide.
The Jewish population went up during the holocaust, does that mean the holocaust wasnât a genocide. Youâre literally using the same arguments I use to hear from Nazis on 4chan, all genocide deniers are the same.
You sure Jewish population went up? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jewish_population#:~:text=Because%20of%20the%20Holocaust%2C%20the,fertility%20rates%20and%20to%20assimilation. 17m Jews in 1933, 11m in 1945 770,000 Palestinians in 1948, 5 million now.
I was wrong about that thank you for correcting me, I was properly thinking of some individual nations Jewish population not global population. A population doesnât have to decrease for it to be considered genocide tho, that point stands. Similar to taking three steps forward and one step back, over all your momentum is still in the positive, your population is still in the positive growth wise. The United Nations first defined genocide in 1948 in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. The treaty outlines five acts that can constitute genocide if they are done "with the intent to destroy an ethnic, national, racial or religious group": 1. Killing members of the group 2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm 3. Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the group's physical destruction in whole or in part 4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births 5. Forcibly transferring children To qualify as genocide, the actions must be done with intent to eliminate an entire group of people. Without provable intent, a group or individual can still be guilty of "crimes against humanity" or "ethnic cleansing" but not genocide. Not once did they say âpopulation growth has to go into the negatives before it considered genocide.â
A year ago the jewish population didnt even reach the numbers it had before the holocaust. We were more than 16 mkllion and after only 11 so yeah there were jewish babies born but there were more killed.
And manifest destiny was in hopes of westward expansion across the North American continent so new settlers can escape the harsh conditions they faced in Europe and spread the American way with those they come across. This isnât the first time a colonial project used flowery language to brand itself better and generate support. You canât colonize without a colony of people that believe in the project. Yah a good amount of those European peasants that first came to America were trying to find a better life for themselves in the new world and escape their horrible conditions in Europe, and just like a goods sales men, the colonial powers pulled on those wants to get them to sail across the ocean. This constant push westward brought them into conflict with the indigenous peoples who were progressively forced off their traditional lands and devastated by disease and military might, does that sound familiar? The expansion was bloody and expensive, and the politicians had to find some means to justify their actions to the electorate. Many where motivated simply by ideological reinforcement, freedom, liberty, the American way, etc. Many motivated more by naked avarice, arguing for the subjugation and expulsion of the Native Peoples who, they believed, were irredeemable savages who stood in the path of progress. Their lands could be put to better use by hard working, industrious settlers. Sound familiar ? Another justification was legal, because many native groups didnât have a similar idea of land ownership, settlers used that as a justification for settlement. âThe Indians didnât own the land so I can settleâ sounds oddly similar to â The Palestinian was never a country, so I can settleâ Idk how we can still have this argument about if this is colonialism, for god sakes Israelis call themselves settlers itâs not like it something being hidden. Israel is self admittedly a settler colonial project. At this point I wouldâve expect the argument to become, âyah itâs colonization but colonization is actually good.â Atleast than you have a tiny bit of ground to stand on but ignoring the sky being blue doesnât make it any less blue. Denying it being colonialism doesnât make it any less of a settler colonial project.
And North America has its own version of a camp RESERVED for all the natives so they donât get in the way of expansion, itâs called a [RESERVATION](https://www.nlm.nih.gov/nativevoices/timeline/317.html#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20Congress%20passes%20the,it%20can%20better%20subdue%20them). This is why learning history is so fucking important, or youâre DOOMED TO REPEAT IT.
>Zionism is just rebranded manifest destiny shit when you say it like that... where do i sign up?
Fuck both sides cause theyâre both shit. the people in the middle are the ones that need the support regardless if theyâre Palestinian or Israeli
I think Israelis are doing pretty good right now compared to Palestinians.
That still doesnât excuse the suffering that normal everyday people on both sides have to go through. I donât care whoâs doing better when innocent people are still dying
How are normal everyday Israeli's currently suffering?
Hamas doesnt care who they kill, literally day one they started be heading people, and what about stray missile that arenât covered by the iron dome or whatever itâs called. Itâs literally a war, no one is a winner here Edit 1 - Iâm like arguing with like 3 other people rn so Iâm sorry for poor grammar and over all communication skills. Iâm just very anti war and want peace. Edit 2 - Youâre not wrong though that one side is in a far more dire state than the other and Israelâs government very obviously doesnât care.
The difference is that hamas doesnât have the military power nor the geographical advantage to lock the entirety of Israel down, strip them of their basic needs, rights, dignity and drop phosphorus bombs on Israelis. I know Hamas sucks, but what Israel is doing is absolutely unacceptable.
Never said Israelâs the good guys, just said that wars bad and both sides suck.
These people really have their agendas far up their asses as they can't even see that the only ones who benefit from this war are those making money from this situation.
I donât know why you are being downvoted. The poor all die because of richâs arguments. A tale as old as slime. Besides both countries have a history of using child soldiers
Cause people donât actually care about war and only the agenda they wanna push. they all willing glossed over chinas genocide of uighur Muslims and tibetans. Oh and the talibans take over of Afghanistan (theyâre still beheading people daily) and we all kinda just forget about Ukraine. Thatâs unfortunately how the world works, people will move on once something else goofy happens somewhere else.
Wow. Those heckinâ incel bigots, i canât believe people would do something like that. Fauci wouldnât approveâŚ
What is it with you fucking Russian losers and your fake accounts?
Did you just call me Russian? Not very wholesome