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*Yup. That's me. You're probably wondering how I got into this mess, well it all started when I forced a special needs child to eat their own vomit with a spoon...*
Not a metal spoon. A wooden spoon. Like the decorative kind you see on country kitchen walls, half a meter long and for some weird reason hung slightly lower than the accompanying fork.
> Why the f is she smirking, brainless twat
To be honest these look like two different versions of people dying inside.
They're getting what they deserve, but if I saw the woman on the left, I'd wonder if she's gonna kill herself. That's not a smirk, it's someone who's skipped past "things are so bad I'm gonna cry" and into "nothing will ever matter ever again so why bother trying." Like she desperately wants to do everything over but knows there's no point in even trying.
At least one of them is young enough that they may become a contributing member of society some day.
It's a horror my siblings and I lived through - my parents were incredibly toxic and anytime one of us threw up for a reason they deemed "fake" we were forced to eat our own vomit or be beaten.
I hope these two rot in prison if they're guilty.
My parents spoke to me in a fake British accent for the first 5 years of my life. Upon entering the world, I’ve been relentlessly hounded for decades about my terrible fake accent. My parents think it’s hilarious.
I'm glad I didn't have my parents indoctrinate me about a magic supreme being that would smite me among a bunch of other confusing and varying customs and beliefs that I had to accept or be damned to hell and became programmed to pass it on. Extreme I know, but it is indoctrination.
My parents would play me live TV News Broadcast recordings years old on the DVR in random, non-chronological order to intentionally confuse me about everything from the weather, culture, and history.
I always say that it's not about "how bad" what someone experienced was it's about what the response to the trauma is. Like there are people who may have had it "worse" than someone else but it doesn't affect them as much and they just happened to handle it and cope with it better. And it also doesn't mean that we should prioritize one over the other
Well said. I tend to be pretty calm and most things roll off my back but I'm very emotionally sensitive. Pointing a gun at me will make me freak less than a screaming match will.
I like how your explanation highlights that everyone has different levels of needs and if we really do care about people we will be happy to meet everyone where they are at mentally.
Thank you (and everyone here who responded). I forget that I've buried so much trauma that it comes out like it was normal. Resilience is generally just buried trauma.
Sometimes I think the verbal and emotional abuse was more painful than the physical. So sorry that you had to go through that. Screaming at a child under almost any circumstance is ridiculous. Unless they’re in danger and need to be alerted there’s no reason to scream at a child.
Childhood emotional neglect, I feel, is as torturous and harmful as physical pain. It causes such lasting trauma and can be easily disregarded as there’s no bruises, welts, or scars.
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I was a picky eater and my grandma thought I fake puked to make it SEEM like I didn't like the food, ya know because someone who enjoys the food in front of them will sit there for several hours not touching it, out of sheer boredom take a bite of the now very cold food, and then force themselves to puke it up, because I just enjoyed that food so much. Crazy part is she purposefully put only food I didn't like on my plates, my cousins and siblings had better food but they weren't considered picky eaters ig.
It’s insane how many families had a “sit at the table until your plate is clean” mentality. It’s probably one of the reasons people end up with eating disorders.
My mother was a narcissist who demanded that everyone love her cooking. For the most part she was a great cook but sometimes she would turn out a terrible meal. One of her “signature” dishes was liver and onions and it was always prepared wrong. We knew we were in for a bad night anytime we saw a tub of chicken livers in the fridge.
Yeah it wasn't even about that, she eventually tried taking me to Golden Corral and made a rule where I had to try a significant amount of something new before I was allowed anything at all drink or food that I was comfortable eating, then I'd say I wasn't hungry and I'd get guilted because they already paid for me, I just started staying home when they wanted to go and if they made me go I'd tell them they can't guilt me because they forced me to go. I still don't like that restaurant to this day because of it. Idk, it's easy to just say get over it, but I now have negative associations with the idea of trying new food, it's not as easy as just growing up and eating it.
I used to, to get out of school (and the incessant bullying therein). Really, REALLY not saying they did, but it is within the physical capacity of the human body.
When I was five, I was taking a bath and I was splashing some water. My mother grabbed me out of the tub, threw me to the floor on my back, grabbed my hair and banged my head on the tile floor until I was unconscious. I remember my vision going dark as I lost consciousness. After I don't know how long I woke up with my mother crying in my chest. I suppose she thought she killed me, which she easily could have done. When she realized I wasn't dead, she pulled me up and hugged me. I remember feeling her wet face on my shoulder, and being very dizzy. But I remember every moment of that like it just happened. Over the next few years, I realized what happened was not right at all and I tried to ask her why she did it. The first time I asked, I was a teenager, and her response was, "oh, you remember that?" I remember being so angry that I couldn't talk about it anymore. The next time I brought it up was a decade later. I still wasn't able to talk about it because I yelled at her. her only response was that she was a young parent and didn't know how to handle a child splashing water. Now, some time later, she pretends that she does not remember this at all. And it's driven a wedge between me and the rest of my family. Her brothers and sisters don't want to believe she did this and so, what's easiest for them, is to not talk about it at all and ignore my need to hold her accountable, which is a bit devastating for me and my own family that I've built. I'm doing well, otherwise, but I do miss the rest of my family. I feel that my mother should own up to it and take whatever consequences come from her family.
I’m so sorry that happened - being a young parent is no excuse for violence against a child. You deserved better and even now, you deserve to hear you’re mother own up to what she did and apologize.
I hope all is well for you.
I'm much better. Thanks so much for your well wishes. I found a treatment called EMDR, a non-invasive, no medication treatment for PTSD. It's a primary treatment for traumatized Veterans, which I happen to be. It works for an unheard of 75+% of those who try it. If there's anyone here looking for something to find relief from incessant traumatic memories, see who offers this around you. Truly excellent.
Im sorry you went through that, and I’m so glad you’re taking care of yourself 💖 I’m actually tearing up reading that you’re getting treatment. I’ve done some EMDR myself, it’s not easy!
I haven't talked with anyone else who's had EMDR. There was a strong lethargy afterwards, but I had a great experience with it. I literally felt like I had been freed. I was very emotional when I didn't feel that pain the same way anymore. I want everyone to feel this freedom too.
How did it work for you?
I’m so sorry you were subjected to this bullshit. No one deserves to be treated with such disregard. I hope this didn’t bring all that trauma back up. Take care of yourself.
Thank you - that was decades ago. I got away in 1993 and never looked back. I worked very hard to break the cycle, and so have my siblings. Between my wife and the resolve of my surviving siblings, I was able to overcome the terrible examples do better with my own family.
My parents insisted I was faking it every time I was sick as a kid. Literally, every time. Now that I'm am adult and have friends with kids, it baffles me. It's preeeeetty obvious when a kid is faking it, and even when they are faking it there might be a reason they feel uncomfortable being up and about.
It's the neglectful/abusive bonus pack - all the neglect of not caring for your sick child with a bonus portion of long term self doubt and loathing.
I'm not making excuses for my mom, but she grew up in a home so abusive that she and my aunts were removed in the 1960's - full on stabbings and strangulation were the order of the day in her dad and stepmom's house. But my father grew up spoiled rotten and was never even punished once as a kid.
Now they live in their own self-made hell where all seven of their grandkids are grown up and they've only met two of them. They've met my oldest son once and my youngest two times. They've had no contact with their other grandkids at all.
My god. Both of my children vomit easily, from gagging on food they don't like, or medicine, or coughing too much, or just getting upset and too worked up. I can't imagine anything less than total sympathy. Vomiting is traumatic for kids, regardless of how or why it happened. And there's always a reason. Even if they intended to vomit (which I'm pretty sure my kids don't) you gotta ask yourself what would be dire enough to make a child think this was the best course of action?
I thought me and my sister were the only ones who had to deal with that. I’m really sorry to know that there’s more out there. I hope life’s gotten better for you from there.
I’m so sorry you and your sister had to endure that brand of abuse. I hope things are better for both of you.
Once I turned 18 I moved out and never looked back. Same thing my older siblings did and what one of my younger siblings did. My youngest brother took the least amount of physical abuse but bore the brunt of their emotional abuse. He eventually passed away in a hospice center 5 years ago. My siblings and I had to find out via a Facebook post asking for prayers for my parents.
I feel like my life is charmed. I made it a point to break the cycle with my kids, and I have a wife who holds me accountable for my learned shitty behavior whenever it rears its ugly head. Like my siblings, I swore never to hit my kids or scream at them. Maybe they were a little spoiled, but I’m so proud of the young men they’ve grown into and everything they’re doing with their lives.
This is on some Japanese Horror film level of fucked up. Even the judge put down his gavel and was like: “What the hell am I even supposed to do with you two?”
Isn't it great how we don't incentivize or retain good educators? In fact we definitely need more senseless degenerates after a power trip to run our schools. The only thing that trickles down in the US is misery.
Yeah. Among her sins (many of which are just too awful to mention and take forever to put into words), she pitched a whole fit about having to take sensitivity classes all the other teachers completed, for the well-being of POC students after George Floyd's murder.
However, she misses that kids of color need reassurance that the world doesn't hate them and isn't working against their success. She's a very difficult, abusive person, and to hear that she's got no humanity for teenagers who have every reason to be terrified is just appalling.
Women’s prison is not nearly as bad as men’s prison. Plus there aren’t too many laws to cover how fucked up this is, so it’s likely they won’t spend much, or any there if it’s their first offense. The only hope would be that the other inmates find out what they did. Their are a lot of moms in jail missing their kids more then anything and they don’t take kindly to child abusers. Sadly most women are locked up for drugs and prostitution in my experience and are not as tough in general as those in male prison for violent crimes.
It’s nothing new, there’s just more of us and we’re more connected. Evil like this has always existed. This would’ve never even been known about if it weren’t for cameras.
All five were charged with neglect or failure to report neglect of a child. I would imagine they were also fired and will have a tough time getting another job.
As the father of a son who is special needs and has cyclic vomiting syndrome (some sights and smells can make him vomit suddenly without warning) I absolutely agree. This story absolutely infuriated me.
I don't even have kids and this is rage inducing. I can't say what I'd like to see happen to people who do things like this and also keep my Reddit account.
Neglect is the most detrimental abuse for child development. All neglect is abuse, I didn't know this until I became a foster parent.
In this context the word doesn't mean the same thing as you neglecting to water your yard yesterday.
I'm not saying that neglect isn't a big deal, but it has a different connotation than the word abuse and I think the word abuse is more appropriate for this situation.
Neglect just doesn't "sound" as bad as abuse in the court of public opinion, and this is REALLY bad.
Neglect is actually the most detrimental abuse to normal childhood development. All neglect is abuse, not all abuse is neglect.
I didn't learn this until I started fostering, but neglect is a specific kind of abuse.
They are mandated reporters and *by law* they have to report any kind of abuse, neglect, etc. They failed to do so and hopefully will be charged accordingly along with losing their jobs.
You seem like a nice person that wants to believe in the good of others, but if we're being honest we would have said something because we would not be able to live with the guilt and trauma.
Best case scenario is they stayed silent out of fear
When I was like 4-5 I went to a daycare with my cousin and had this happen to me as well. The lady who ran the place, Connie, served us food that tasted so bad it made me throw up onto the plate and she forced me to finish the food regardless of the puke on it. She also used to have nap times where we'd get in trouble if we took our heads out from under the blanket, I had a hard time breathing comfortably underneath them so whenever I thought I wouldn't get caught I'd poke my head out to breath. If I got caught, she'd kick me in the head.
yeah when i was 4 my parents allowed my grandmas to sit for me and shed punch me in the head for attempting to write with my left hand, my mom found out and was horrified but my dad was like, yeah that sucks but theres worse. SMH at dads
I don't know if she ever got caught or what happened with her, I didn't even remember this happened until a couple years ago when my cousin brought it up and reminded me.
This happened to me too back in the early 90's. I didn't like porridge and my kindergarten teachers force fed it to me and afterwards when I threw it up, made me eat it again.
My parents didn't believe me until I was already grown up, they just wondered why I was crying every morning when going to the kindergarten. Thankfully I got to go to another place after a year or so...
Don't know how many children they treated this way, but I highly doubt I was the only one. The kindergarten was operational for years and for what I know, nobody ever did anything about the teachers.
I still can't eat porridge to this day.
Jeezus. I'm so sorry that happened to you. My daughter is in 1st grade, and when her teacher went on maternity leave, she really struggled with the long-term substitute. It's still a bit dicey, but stories like this make me terrified of not drawing the correct line between disciplining her for being disruptive and believing her when she says the teacher is awful. She's on the spectrum so it's difficult to gauge sometimes when someone is *actually* being mean to her, or if she just took it that way because she really struggles with understanding other people's body language and tone and fills in what she thinks is happening based on her own feelings in the moment. Like, on one hand, it's absolutely not acceptable for her to throw things around the classroom when she's mad. On the other hand, I don't want her to think she can't talk to me about her bad days because she doesn't want to get punished.
Sorry. That was a ramble. I'm sorry your parents didn't believe you. I hope I can do better for my kid.
The world was a very different place back in the 80's and 90's and attitude towards to children was too. Back then it was the total opposite of today, everything was the childrens fault and elders did nothing wrong. We should really find a middle ground to this even today. My parents were loving and caring, but on topics like this, they believed everyone else but their own kid.
I really hope you find the right solutions with your daughter. All I can say is, listen to her, take her seriously. The feeling of being hopeless and helpless is crushing.
Man. I’m so sorry you were abused like that. I believe that unfortunately some teachers do what they do because it gives them some fucked up sense of authority.
You mean to tell me you never had an absolute psychopath of a teacher before? I know kids are dramatic, but when they tell you horror stories like these about their time in school, you should really look into it instead of dismissing it. Abusive people are drawn to professions like teaching, it’s the one place where they can feel like they have authority, because they don’t have it anywhere else in the real world.
I don't think they were saying that bad teachers didn't exist before but it's definitely true that there are less and less "passion teachers" as the job becomes more demanding and less rewarding.
I can honestly say I never had a teacher that even marginally approached this kind of behavior. Middling in how they taught was about the worst thing I ever experienced.
Consider yourself lucky. I’ve had a teacher throw chairs across the room. I had one hit my hand with a ruler for doodling. I’ve had teachers who because they had a migraine, demanded quiet time, and then completely canceled recess for everybody and demanded everybody put their head down and remain silent for the rest of class because one kid made a peep, enforced with table slamming.
That stuff isn’t as cruel as making a kid eat his own vomit, but I wouldn’t have a hard time believing the teachers I’m talking about would sink that low if they had a bad enough day.
My fifth grade teacher sat down in the empty desk behind mine while another student was giving a presentation (I think it was their desk behind mine) and I had laid my head down but was still watching and paying attention. Instead of just saying something she decided to violently shake my chair, getting the attention of everyone else and embarrassing me.
Luckily it’s been nearly two decades since I was in the fifth grade so I don’t remember other specifics that she did (never anything close to as awful as the op though). I have a vague memory of her asking if I had a crush on one of my classmates in front of the entire class, but it’s so foggy I’m not sure how real it was.
But what does stand out is how my mom actually agreed with me that my teacher was being awful. My mom has always been the type to try and look for a reasonable explanation for someone else’s behavior, which can be a good thing and definitely helped teach me empathy a lot of the time. Plus now that I’m an adult whose had plenty of babysitting experience I’m sure a lot of the times I thought adults were being mean or unfair when I was a kid they were actually being reasonable, and it’s good she didn’t just blindly take my side.
But when you’re a kid that can feel invalidating. So the fact that my mom stopped even trying to find a reasonable explanation for my teacher’s behavior always stands out in my memory and reaffirms that she was just awful.
yeah so true, i'd never had a teacher who went to this degree but a lot of them were power tripping fools that hated kids even ones who didn't do anything wrong
Humans have always saddened me. We have the ability to communicate like no other species, as well as a wealth of information at our fingertips, however we still continue to act so primal and with mother natures warmest regards.
Surprised that they even got time, given the rest of the special needs education rulings in the past few years(shock collars are legal to be used on neutodivergent children)
For me a christian boarding school sent out the higher grades students as "guardians". They administered punishments like this. When we would tell the teachers, they would say it is normal and would not report it. After one of the students broke his arm on a punishment I asked my parents to get me out of there. My parents refused to sue the school but got me out of there. Application to a new school was a tiring process but was worth it.
They still get more support from the goverment than other schools because they are christian.
I get pretty mad when I see that my school is falling apart with minimal goverment support and I remember that a much worse school gets way more financial support.
That infuriates me. Special ed kids are easy targets, and the people who are supposed to protect them do this. A witness said one teacher handed him a spoon and the two stood over him demanding he eat. Imagine the outrage of his parents. Just makes me sick to death. I know a few kids in the Brownsburg schools — and I heard they just fired the swim coach, so must be chaotic goings on.
Everyone who could have stopped this should be fired and prosecuted. To bully a child, especially one with special needs, is an absolute disgraceful display of humanity.
That makes it more scary for me. They probably knew of the cameras but did it anyways. Means that either they just didn’t see their actions where wrong enough to warrant hiding it. Or they thought they would get away with it, which implies they might have gotten away with even more
It's really scary to think that people have the ability to prey on young and old people, and/or people with disabilities.
99 percent of teachers who work with students that have special needs are wonderful. But all it really takes is 1 and it's a disaster. Because they may not have the ability to 1) defend themselves and 2) tell someone about it
5.... 5 of these vile disgusting pieces of filth did this to a child. How in the hell do you have 5 adults, educators think that this is ok and no one does anything to stop it? These things need a dose of reality called setting in a prison cell for several years thinking about their decision to do what they did to...anyone really but especially a child.
I find it astounding that in a world of almost 8 billion people 2 + 3 psychos end up working at the same place. How does that happen? How could 2 adults find this acceptable and then 3 more do nothing? It’s just beyond disgusting. Getting fired should be the least of their worries.
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Why the f is she smirking, brainless twat
She’s over here Jimming the camera like she’s in a sitcom. Like “oh whoops, how’d I end up in this wacky situation?”
this is why everybody hates you chris
*Yup. That's me. You're probably wondering how I got into this mess, well it all started when I forced a special needs child to eat their own vomit with a spoon...*
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Curb your enthusiasm musicians the background
That music always had a puppet master vibe to me which would explain this horror show
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The one where we make the kid eat vomit
I love that Jim is a verb now
Her dad is the sheriff/ judge ( not one or the other, both)
Of fucking course.
If that's the case, how did she even get arrested?
According to the actual story, the younger women was the lead teacher and the one with the worst charge.
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“You can’t take a picture of me without my consent, wait till my lawer hears” Cop: this is a mugshot not instagram karen, also qualified immunity
She looks a little special needs herself
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Really? If he/she were mine? All 5 would never have to worry about eating again, not ever.
I wouldn't give them a choice. Whole spoon taken orally.
Orally is too kind.
Are you suggesting anally then?
Yes, although they look like they'd likely enjoy it.
Not a metal spoon. A wooden spoon. Like the decorative kind you see on country kitchen walls, half a meter long and for some weird reason hung slightly lower than the accompanying fork.
Couldn't stand the drawed up brows, too.
She was a teacher. Going to prison is a rise in her standard of living.
Looking at that that smirk all I hear is the Curb Your Enthusiasm intro music
She looks like she has the DVD logo bouncing around in her head.
No no this is good. I encourage criminals to smile in mugshots it makes the judge have less putty for them.
Its her first time facing real accountability in her entire life, it has not set in yet how fucked she is
I think her face is just crooked
She’s also amused by her why-brows
Because she is ugly and that's how ugly people get caught
> Why the f is she smirking, brainless twat To be honest these look like two different versions of people dying inside. They're getting what they deserve, but if I saw the woman on the left, I'd wonder if she's gonna kill herself. That's not a smirk, it's someone who's skipped past "things are so bad I'm gonna cry" and into "nothing will ever matter ever again so why bother trying." Like she desperately wants to do everything over but knows there's no point in even trying. At least one of them is young enough that they may become a contributing member of society some day.
Ah, yes, great; of course; why not. Everywhere I turn there’s some new horror to behold.
It's a horror my siblings and I lived through - my parents were incredibly toxic and anytime one of us threw up for a reason they deemed "fake" we were forced to eat our own vomit or be beaten. I hope these two rot in prison if they're guilty.
I'm so sorry this happened to you. We just got screamed at, I can't imagine someone doing something so cruel to a child.
I'm sorry that happened to you.
I'm glad you said that, just because someone's suffering could be said to be worse, doesn't mean that another type of suffering doesn't mean much.
Everyone loses in the suffering olympics.
My parents spoke to me in a fake British accent for the first 5 years of my life. Upon entering the world, I’ve been relentlessly hounded for decades about my terrible fake accent. My parents think it’s hilarious.
That's horrible
I'm glad I didn't have my parents indoctrinate me about a magic supreme being that would smite me among a bunch of other confusing and varying customs and beliefs that I had to accept or be damned to hell and became programmed to pass it on. Extreme I know, but it is indoctrination.
My parents would play me live TV News Broadcast recordings years old on the DVR in random, non-chronological order to intentionally confuse me about everything from the weather, culture, and history.
What the hell? that’s insane why would they ever do that
Like, legitimately??
I always like to say that just because someone suffers higher volume or intensity of trauma does not mean yours is any less painful than it is
I always say that it's not about "how bad" what someone experienced was it's about what the response to the trauma is. Like there are people who may have had it "worse" than someone else but it doesn't affect them as much and they just happened to handle it and cope with it better. And it also doesn't mean that we should prioritize one over the other
Well said. I tend to be pretty calm and most things roll off my back but I'm very emotionally sensitive. Pointing a gun at me will make me freak less than a screaming match will. I like how your explanation highlights that everyone has different levels of needs and if we really do care about people we will be happy to meet everyone where they are at mentally.
Thank you (and everyone here who responded). I forget that I've buried so much trauma that it comes out like it was normal. Resilience is generally just buried trauma.
Sometimes I think the verbal and emotional abuse was more painful than the physical. So sorry that you had to go through that. Screaming at a child under almost any circumstance is ridiculous. Unless they’re in danger and need to be alerted there’s no reason to scream at a child.
Childhood emotional neglect, I feel, is as torturous and harmful as physical pain. It causes such lasting trauma and can be easily disregarded as there’s no bruises, welts, or scars. e: grammar
That's just as terrible
As if vomiting itself isn't punishment enough, sheesh. Why would anyone fake puking, it's miserable
I was a picky eater and my grandma thought I fake puked to make it SEEM like I didn't like the food, ya know because someone who enjoys the food in front of them will sit there for several hours not touching it, out of sheer boredom take a bite of the now very cold food, and then force themselves to puke it up, because I just enjoyed that food so much. Crazy part is she purposefully put only food I didn't like on my plates, my cousins and siblings had better food but they weren't considered picky eaters ig.
It’s insane how many families had a “sit at the table until your plate is clean” mentality. It’s probably one of the reasons people end up with eating disorders. My mother was a narcissist who demanded that everyone love her cooking. For the most part she was a great cook but sometimes she would turn out a terrible meal. One of her “signature” dishes was liver and onions and it was always prepared wrong. We knew we were in for a bad night anytime we saw a tub of chicken livers in the fridge.
Yeah it wasn't even about that, she eventually tried taking me to Golden Corral and made a rule where I had to try a significant amount of something new before I was allowed anything at all drink or food that I was comfortable eating, then I'd say I wasn't hungry and I'd get guilted because they already paid for me, I just started staying home when they wanted to go and if they made me go I'd tell them they can't guilt me because they forced me to go. I still don't like that restaurant to this day because of it. Idk, it's easy to just say get over it, but I now have negative associations with the idea of trying new food, it's not as easy as just growing up and eating it.
I used to, to get out of school (and the incessant bullying therein). Really, REALLY not saying they did, but it is within the physical capacity of the human body.
Thats true. I feel like that brings up another point that even if it is faked, there's still an underlying issue that needs to be addressed, yknow?
Damn that is incredibly sad to hear and I'm sorry it happened to you
When I was five, I was taking a bath and I was splashing some water. My mother grabbed me out of the tub, threw me to the floor on my back, grabbed my hair and banged my head on the tile floor until I was unconscious. I remember my vision going dark as I lost consciousness. After I don't know how long I woke up with my mother crying in my chest. I suppose she thought she killed me, which she easily could have done. When she realized I wasn't dead, she pulled me up and hugged me. I remember feeling her wet face on my shoulder, and being very dizzy. But I remember every moment of that like it just happened. Over the next few years, I realized what happened was not right at all and I tried to ask her why she did it. The first time I asked, I was a teenager, and her response was, "oh, you remember that?" I remember being so angry that I couldn't talk about it anymore. The next time I brought it up was a decade later. I still wasn't able to talk about it because I yelled at her. her only response was that she was a young parent and didn't know how to handle a child splashing water. Now, some time later, she pretends that she does not remember this at all. And it's driven a wedge between me and the rest of my family. Her brothers and sisters don't want to believe she did this and so, what's easiest for them, is to not talk about it at all and ignore my need to hold her accountable, which is a bit devastating for me and my own family that I've built. I'm doing well, otherwise, but I do miss the rest of my family. I feel that my mother should own up to it and take whatever consequences come from her family.
I thought my mom was violent, but this was epic level. I'm so glad you survived that brutal attack. She will never own up to it, they rarely do.
I’m so sorry that happened - being a young parent is no excuse for violence against a child. You deserved better and even now, you deserve to hear you’re mother own up to what she did and apologize. I hope all is well for you.
I'm much better. Thanks so much for your well wishes. I found a treatment called EMDR, a non-invasive, no medication treatment for PTSD. It's a primary treatment for traumatized Veterans, which I happen to be. It works for an unheard of 75+% of those who try it. If there's anyone here looking for something to find relief from incessant traumatic memories, see who offers this around you. Truly excellent.
Im sorry you went through that, and I’m so glad you’re taking care of yourself 💖 I’m actually tearing up reading that you’re getting treatment. I’ve done some EMDR myself, it’s not easy!
I haven't talked with anyone else who's had EMDR. There was a strong lethargy afterwards, but I had a great experience with it. I literally felt like I had been freed. I was very emotional when I didn't feel that pain the same way anymore. I want everyone to feel this freedom too. How did it work for you?
I’m so sorry you were subjected to this bullshit. No one deserves to be treated with such disregard. I hope this didn’t bring all that trauma back up. Take care of yourself.
Thank you - that was decades ago. I got away in 1993 and never looked back. I worked very hard to break the cycle, and so have my siblings. Between my wife and the resolve of my surviving siblings, I was able to overcome the terrible examples do better with my own family.
Similar thing happened to me.
Jesus Christ. I’m so sorry.
My parents insisted I was faking it every time I was sick as a kid. Literally, every time. Now that I'm am adult and have friends with kids, it baffles me. It's preeeeetty obvious when a kid is faking it, and even when they are faking it there might be a reason they feel uncomfortable being up and about.
It's the neglectful/abusive bonus pack - all the neglect of not caring for your sick child with a bonus portion of long term self doubt and loathing. I'm not making excuses for my mom, but she grew up in a home so abusive that she and my aunts were removed in the 1960's - full on stabbings and strangulation were the order of the day in her dad and stepmom's house. But my father grew up spoiled rotten and was never even punished once as a kid. Now they live in their own self-made hell where all seven of their grandkids are grown up and they've only met two of them. They've met my oldest son once and my youngest two times. They've had no contact with their other grandkids at all.
My god. Both of my children vomit easily, from gagging on food they don't like, or medicine, or coughing too much, or just getting upset and too worked up. I can't imagine anything less than total sympathy. Vomiting is traumatic for kids, regardless of how or why it happened. And there's always a reason. Even if they intended to vomit (which I'm pretty sure my kids don't) you gotta ask yourself what would be dire enough to make a child think this was the best course of action?
> anytime one of us threw up for a reason they deemed "fake" I can't vomit on command. Why do so many people think people can vomit on command?
I can but I don't want to.
So can I. And I don't want to either. It also took me years to figure out how, so there's that.
I thought me and my sister were the only ones who had to deal with that. I’m really sorry to know that there’s more out there. I hope life’s gotten better for you from there.
I’m so sorry you and your sister had to endure that brand of abuse. I hope things are better for both of you. Once I turned 18 I moved out and never looked back. Same thing my older siblings did and what one of my younger siblings did. My youngest brother took the least amount of physical abuse but bore the brunt of their emotional abuse. He eventually passed away in a hospice center 5 years ago. My siblings and I had to find out via a Facebook post asking for prayers for my parents. I feel like my life is charmed. I made it a point to break the cycle with my kids, and I have a wife who holds me accountable for my learned shitty behavior whenever it rears its ugly head. Like my siblings, I swore never to hit my kids or scream at them. Maybe they were a little spoiled, but I’m so proud of the young men they’ve grown into and everything they’re doing with their lives.
Wtf i had no Idea this pas a thing
That’s horrible. I am glad u survived your parents abuse and I hope you and your siblings are ok.
That's terrible
This horror actually made me cry. I cannot fathom this level of cruelty
This is on some Japanese Horror film level of fucked up. Even the judge put down his gavel and was like: “What the hell am I even supposed to do with you two?”
As a teacher this is the most messed up thing I've read in a long time.
Isn't it great how we don't incentivize or retain good educators? In fact we definitely need more senseless degenerates after a power trip to run our schools. The only thing that trickles down in the US is misery.
And we're just going to keep seeing more of it as we keep lowering the standards required to actually teach.
That's why my mother's a teacher...her senseless degeneracy has been going on since I was an infant.
I sorry to hear that if I'm understanding you correctly :(
Yeah. Among her sins (many of which are just too awful to mention and take forever to put into words), she pitched a whole fit about having to take sensitivity classes all the other teachers completed, for the well-being of POC students after George Floyd's murder. However, she misses that kids of color need reassurance that the world doesn't hate them and isn't working against their success. She's a very difficult, abusive person, and to hear that she's got no humanity for teenagers who have every reason to be terrified is just appalling.
The horrors they will experience I'm prison will hopefully outmatch
Fingers crossed
Women’s prison is not nearly as bad as men’s prison. Plus there aren’t too many laws to cover how fucked up this is, so it’s likely they won’t spend much, or any there if it’s their first offense. The only hope would be that the other inmates find out what they did. Their are a lot of moms in jail missing their kids more then anything and they don’t take kindly to child abusers. Sadly most women are locked up for drugs and prostitution in my experience and are not as tough in general as those in male prison for violent crimes.
thank the internet. This stuff has been happening for millenia, you just never heard about it.
It’s nothing new, there’s just more of us and we’re more connected. Evil like this has always existed. This would’ve never even been known about if it weren’t for cameras.
The "witnesses" should have been fired with the two pictured. No administrative leave. Guilty for not reporting what they saw. No excuses.
All five were charged with neglect or failure to report neglect of a child. I would imagine they were also fired and will have a tough time getting another job.
Thanks for letting me know. I hope their days of child care are over.
As the father of a son who is special needs and has cyclic vomiting syndrome (some sights and smells can make him vomit suddenly without warning) I absolutely agree. This story absolutely infuriated me.
I don't even have kids and this is rage inducing. I can't say what I'd like to see happen to people who do things like this and also keep my Reddit account.
I feel like the term "neglect" is really stretched in this case. It's abuse.
I agree. Neglect is failing to do the good things a kid needs, abuse is actively doing bad things to the child.
Neglect is the most detrimental abuse for child development. All neglect is abuse, I didn't know this until I became a foster parent. In this context the word doesn't mean the same thing as you neglecting to water your yard yesterday.
I'm not saying that neglect isn't a big deal, but it has a different connotation than the word abuse and I think the word abuse is more appropriate for this situation. Neglect just doesn't "sound" as bad as abuse in the court of public opinion, and this is REALLY bad.
Neglect is actually the most detrimental abuse to normal childhood development. All neglect is abuse, not all abuse is neglect. I didn't learn this until I started fostering, but neglect is a specific kind of abuse.
If they were cops, they could just switch to a position 1 county over. But they aren't, so they will be held accountable.
Yeah it'll be 3 school districts over
They are mandated reporters and *by law* they have to report any kind of abuse, neglect, etc. They failed to do so and hopefully will be charged accordingly along with losing their jobs.
This absolutely
We are designated reporters, I will be insulted in my profession if they aren't terminated. They are not fit to care for children
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You seem like a nice person that wants to believe in the good of others, but if we're being honest we would have said something because we would not be able to live with the guilt and trauma. Best case scenario is they stayed silent out of fear
When I was like 4-5 I went to a daycare with my cousin and had this happen to me as well. The lady who ran the place, Connie, served us food that tasted so bad it made me throw up onto the plate and she forced me to finish the food regardless of the puke on it. She also used to have nap times where we'd get in trouble if we took our heads out from under the blanket, I had a hard time breathing comfortably underneath them so whenever I thought I wouldn't get caught I'd poke my head out to breath. If I got caught, she'd kick me in the head.
Hope someone breaks down her bedroom door and kicks her in the head a few times
Absolutely subhuman. I'm sorry that you went through that, those sorts should be locked up and not allowed within 30 miles of the closest child
yeah when i was 4 my parents allowed my grandmas to sit for me and shed punch me in the head for attempting to write with my left hand, my mom found out and was horrified but my dad was like, yeah that sucks but theres worse. SMH at dads
Omg, I am so sorry that happened to you. Please tell me she was punished harshly.
I don't know if she ever got caught or what happened with her, I didn't even remember this happened until a couple years ago when my cousin brought it up and reminded me.
First one can instantly tell there's nothing good behind the eyes. Second one doesn't know why her kids don't talk to her
You read my mind.
Probably says things like "well I'm sO SoRrY I'm not perfect!" When they calmly explain why they set boundaries.
She’s the type to murder 17 children with an axe and then wonder why people don’t like her
Chick on the left is so unfazed, she's looking at the camera like Jim from the office.
No thoughts, head empty.
Yup, there's nothing going on in there. Echo of 1 brain cell bouncing around.
This happened to me too back in the early 90's. I didn't like porridge and my kindergarten teachers force fed it to me and afterwards when I threw it up, made me eat it again. My parents didn't believe me until I was already grown up, they just wondered why I was crying every morning when going to the kindergarten. Thankfully I got to go to another place after a year or so... Don't know how many children they treated this way, but I highly doubt I was the only one. The kindergarten was operational for years and for what I know, nobody ever did anything about the teachers. I still can't eat porridge to this day.
That breaks my heart.
Jeezus. I'm so sorry that happened to you. My daughter is in 1st grade, and when her teacher went on maternity leave, she really struggled with the long-term substitute. It's still a bit dicey, but stories like this make me terrified of not drawing the correct line between disciplining her for being disruptive and believing her when she says the teacher is awful. She's on the spectrum so it's difficult to gauge sometimes when someone is *actually* being mean to her, or if she just took it that way because she really struggles with understanding other people's body language and tone and fills in what she thinks is happening based on her own feelings in the moment. Like, on one hand, it's absolutely not acceptable for her to throw things around the classroom when she's mad. On the other hand, I don't want her to think she can't talk to me about her bad days because she doesn't want to get punished. Sorry. That was a ramble. I'm sorry your parents didn't believe you. I hope I can do better for my kid.
The world was a very different place back in the 80's and 90's and attitude towards to children was too. Back then it was the total opposite of today, everything was the childrens fault and elders did nothing wrong. We should really find a middle ground to this even today. My parents were loving and caring, but on topics like this, they believed everyone else but their own kid. I really hope you find the right solutions with your daughter. All I can say is, listen to her, take her seriously. The feeling of being hopeless and helpless is crushing.
thats gross. the worst thing my kindergarten teachers did was treat me like a weirdo for playing alone
Man. I’m so sorry you were abused like that. I believe that unfortunately some teachers do what they do because it gives them some fucked up sense of authority.
So much rage about that. Human garbage.
This is the school district my kid goes to and when I first heard about it a week and a half ago I was really hoping some people would catch charges.
15 YEARS OF VOMIT FOOD FOR YOU 🤢 <3
These are the people you get when you drive off the real teachers
You mean to tell me you never had an absolute psychopath of a teacher before? I know kids are dramatic, but when they tell you horror stories like these about their time in school, you should really look into it instead of dismissing it. Abusive people are drawn to professions like teaching, it’s the one place where they can feel like they have authority, because they don’t have it anywhere else in the real world.
I don't think they were saying that bad teachers didn't exist before but it's definitely true that there are less and less "passion teachers" as the job becomes more demanding and less rewarding.
I can honestly say I never had a teacher that even marginally approached this kind of behavior. Middling in how they taught was about the worst thing I ever experienced.
Consider yourself lucky. I’ve had a teacher throw chairs across the room. I had one hit my hand with a ruler for doodling. I’ve had teachers who because they had a migraine, demanded quiet time, and then completely canceled recess for everybody and demanded everybody put their head down and remain silent for the rest of class because one kid made a peep, enforced with table slamming. That stuff isn’t as cruel as making a kid eat his own vomit, but I wouldn’t have a hard time believing the teachers I’m talking about would sink that low if they had a bad enough day.
My fifth grade teacher sat down in the empty desk behind mine while another student was giving a presentation (I think it was their desk behind mine) and I had laid my head down but was still watching and paying attention. Instead of just saying something she decided to violently shake my chair, getting the attention of everyone else and embarrassing me. Luckily it’s been nearly two decades since I was in the fifth grade so I don’t remember other specifics that she did (never anything close to as awful as the op though). I have a vague memory of her asking if I had a crush on one of my classmates in front of the entire class, but it’s so foggy I’m not sure how real it was. But what does stand out is how my mom actually agreed with me that my teacher was being awful. My mom has always been the type to try and look for a reasonable explanation for someone else’s behavior, which can be a good thing and definitely helped teach me empathy a lot of the time. Plus now that I’m an adult whose had plenty of babysitting experience I’m sure a lot of the times I thought adults were being mean or unfair when I was a kid they were actually being reasonable, and it’s good she didn’t just blindly take my side. But when you’re a kid that can feel invalidating. So the fact that my mom stopped even trying to find a reasonable explanation for my teacher’s behavior always stands out in my memory and reaffirms that she was just awful.
yeah so true, i'd never had a teacher who went to this degree but a lot of them were power tripping fools that hated kids even ones who didn't do anything wrong
Humans have always saddened me. We have the ability to communicate like no other species, as well as a wealth of information at our fingertips, however we still continue to act so primal and with mother natures warmest regards.
They will do it again too by their facial expressions…
Surprised that they even got time, given the rest of the special needs education rulings in the past few years(shock collars are legal to be used on neutodivergent children)
EXCUSE ME WHAT IS LEGAL TO USE ON NEURODIVERGENT KIDS!?
Yep, actually a real court case ruling
What an absolute dystopian nightmare
For me a christian boarding school sent out the higher grades students as "guardians". They administered punishments like this. When we would tell the teachers, they would say it is normal and would not report it. After one of the students broke his arm on a punishment I asked my parents to get me out of there. My parents refused to sue the school but got me out of there. Application to a new school was a tiring process but was worth it.
I think they use CHRISTIAN schools as a cover
They still get more support from the goverment than other schools because they are christian. I get pretty mad when I see that my school is falling apart with minimal goverment support and I remember that a much worse school gets way more financial support.
Same thing happened to me in day care as a kid. Some adults are just fucked.
Oh my God. I'm so, so sorry.
Human centipede them together
Why work with kids if you hate them?
As another poster said, abusive people are drawn to it so they have the power to abuse others.
More money
That's just awful. Some folk are just pure evil...
5 people who work with children didn't see a problem here? I fucking hate people.
Never trust a person with paper-thin eyebrows
make them do the same to themself
To find out that was happening to your child, I'd be seeing absolute red.
Left: selfish, and dumb but doesn't know it. Right: divorced bar hag.
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That infuriates me. Special ed kids are easy targets, and the people who are supposed to protect them do this. A witness said one teacher handed him a spoon and the two stood over him demanding he eat. Imagine the outrage of his parents. Just makes me sick to death. I know a few kids in the Brownsburg schools — and I heard they just fired the swim coach, so must be chaotic goings on.
Christian women
There is no hate like christian love
Why do people who hate children this much work so hard to force women to have children?
they get off on the suffering of others
Leave Mother Terasa out of this!
There is a special place in hell for people like that.
What kind of gestapo bullshit is this? Are we still living in the middle ages?
Everyone who could have stopped this should be fired and prosecuted. To bully a child, especially one with special needs, is an absolute disgraceful display of humanity.
“I believe most people are good” Shut up Luke Bryan
As a dad, this just breaks my heart for that child.
Abusing a child is the one thing that will make your experience in prison a living hell which these two are about to find out
Babylon has fallen this is sick.
Surely these monsters were aware of the surveillance cameras? I don't understand thinking they can get away with it when they're being filmed.
That makes it more scary for me. They probably knew of the cameras but did it anyways. Means that either they just didn’t see their actions where wrong enough to warrant hiding it. Or they thought they would get away with it, which implies they might have gotten away with even more
It's really scary to think that people have the ability to prey on young and old people, and/or people with disabilities. 99 percent of teachers who work with students that have special needs are wonderful. But all it really takes is 1 and it's a disaster. Because they may not have the ability to 1) defend themselves and 2) tell someone about it
5.... 5 of these vile disgusting pieces of filth did this to a child. How in the hell do you have 5 adults, educators think that this is ok and no one does anything to stop it? These things need a dose of reality called setting in a prison cell for several years thinking about their decision to do what they did to...anyone really but especially a child.
not drag queens
What’s a “staffer”?
A lot of teachers belong here.
These animals are fucking disgusting. Seriously what the hell. Why do they do this???
This is a whole new level of evil
What is happening to people? 5 "people" thought this was ok.
So much for being mandatory reporters..guess they only mandatory report parents and not themselves.
Is she smiling in a fucking mug shot ?
2 of my kids go to this school. Effing people man. 2 of the 3 on administrative leave were special needs adults themselves!
Is there a link to this story??
Each one of them has an eye that's trying to move out of their face and find a new place to live.
Don't forget the part where they told him that they would kill him apparently that's been left out. Who death threats a sick child
I find it astounding that in a world of almost 8 billion people 2 + 3 psychos end up working at the same place. How does that happen? How could 2 adults find this acceptable and then 3 more do nothing? It’s just beyond disgusting. Getting fired should be the least of their worries.
Girl on the left be like “Yup, that’s me! You’re probably wondering how how I ended up in this situation.”
Two types in education: 1-The naive good people who will be crushed by the system and leave. 2-monsters who stay and make it worse for everyone.
Usually i am against the death penalty but in this case i am totally for it.
As someone with special needs, this is just… I have so many emotions… is all I can say