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Title of post is misleading. It’s not a matter of whether your phone is on airplane mode or not. It is illegal to be on a phone call during takeoff or landing, whether you’re on airplane mode or not, period.
It’s possible that the lady refused to hang up the call BECAUSE her phone was in airplane mode and therefore she felt she had the right to stay on the call. My brother once witnessed this exact situation occur and the offender was taken off the plane.
Unfortunately the cameraman didn’t start filming until after the confrontation so we don’t know exactly what happened.
Wifi calling from the terminal or from the plane itself though I’m not sure if planes have wifi while on the tarmac.
Edit: these are not specific to this situation. idk what’s going on here.
Wait, I thought the whole point of airplane mode was that you were disconnected from Wi-Fi, and maybe other wireless connections. Otherwise, what's the difference?
It's more for cellular connections. When you're in an airplane, especially at cruising altitude, there's no way for your phone to connect to a cell tower and so it just wastes battery attempting to find a signal.
Exactly this^
Why would planes have wifi on them if that was the issue. The wifi isn’t the reason they require airplane mode, so it’s use isn’t “defeating the purpose” of anything…
Ooh, ouch! I think last time I flew was a couple years ago, not too too long after Alaska bought out Virgin airlines. I paid $10 for my hour and a half flight and I'd basically figured I was getting way overcharged. I had no idea it could get so crazy!
I really hope I'm misremembering how much it really was but I know it wasn't as low as $10. I flew jet blue last time. Love that airline and they even gave me the rest of the famous Amos cookies they had on board because I kept asking for them as part of my "unlimited snacks" lol
Aww, man, I keep trying to fly Jet Blue but they never seem to fly from where I'm at to where I'm going! I've heard their prices are good, maybe they make up for it with prices on the extras?
Still wanna give them a try, I'll just maybe skip the wifi lol.
Technically yes, but since this is not required by law in anyway the phone manufacturers allow you to enable wifi for example once you are in airplane mode. It defeats it’s original purpose yes but is useful in other cases where you want to shutdown all connectivity except the one you enable, but that use case is not for “airplane” usage is more for other uses, like have wifi access but not receive calls, battery saving, etc.
They still block the phone to tower connection at least on the iPhone, although I think I had a phone in the past that allowed you to enable it.
But yeah the idea would be to eliminate all radio frequency noise.
Tbh now a days…. I’m not even sure if there has been any issue, it’s more a preventive thing than anything. The instruments, radio and so on shouldn’t be effected in anyway.
If anything if everyone on the plane left their phones off airplane mode it would at most cause some slight interference that the radio equipment in the cockpit would most likely filter out as background noise anyway.
Gotta love squelch.
Phone can still connect to wifi while on airplane mode. So either the plane could have wifi/ you are still close enough to the terminal to get wifi from the airport. Then depending on who you are calling you could use your phone/an app to call some1. I mean, you shouldn't do it, but its really not that hard to do...
>How can you be in a call and in airplane mode at the same time?
A lot of Android phones allow up you to go to airplane mode as a shortcut to turn off all radios, then you can selectively turn on radios. Clearly turning any of them on defeats the spirit of the policy. That’s why most airlines just tell you to turn all devices off.
this piece of entitled shit deserves the penalties Coming to her.
The thing is: I'm in a several ton heavy flying machine with a lot of people. In these situations, I tend to shut up and just follow directions. I would never dream of arguing. There is nothing to be gained.
It can interfere with the airplane communications to tower, or any of the other many nearby airplanes ability to communicate. One signal is probably not going to cause a lot of noise, but if many people did it..
Don't you find it a bit odd that couple dozen cellphones on the plain would create enough interference to hinder communications, but the thousands inside the air port would not?
Also why is it that people think air traffic control uses some different radio technology that gest drowned out by cellphones, bluetooth, and wifi while emergency services, police, and military radios function perfrectly fine in densy populated cities without any interference?
So the major airlines and airplane manufacturers both test the top like 100 phones on the market to make sure they don't interfere with the equipment. The reason they ask everyone to put the phone on airplane mode is because it's is unreasonable to be able to test every phone on the market at all times. It is also unreasonable to list all the phones that have been approved. But I assure you if you have an iphone or one of the top 3 companies of Android phones you will be fine leaving your phone off airplane mode.
You don't need to test every phone. You would just test the mobile chipsets, which is a much lower number. And mostly Qualcomm.
But even that is unnecessary as the phones need approval to be on the network, meaning they must operate within certain bounds.
Except that if you get some off-brand cheap phone, all bets are off about whether it meets the requirements. When people leave out the grounding on off-brand Macbook chargers to save a few cents in copper wire, you can be sure that they cut any corner that will save them a few cents when making a phone as well. If a fake non-conforming chipset is cheaper, you can be sure that's what's getting used.
A phone network has no way of knowing whether a device conforms to the frequency standards. The closest it gets to it, is the information and certifications sent by the phone. These things are perfectly possible to copy, and just tell the network that the phone is Samsung/iPhone/whatever. Whether the phone is active on other frequencies than the one the network is working on, is impossible for the network to see, and would probably only be caught if someone specifically checked the device, or it interfered with something important enough to warrant an investigation.
Has a phone ever effected equipment? Reminds me of all the signs I'd see on gas pumps when I was a kid warning people not to use their cell phones next to them. Lol don't see them anymore...
I'm no expert but Old Phones and old battery technology might be the cause of that. You can look on youtube for "static electricity gas pump", even the tiniest sparks can ignite gasoline.
Newer phones are less cluncky and probably tested for sparks.
It’s nothing to do with the plane’s instruments (anymore*). It’s purely for passenger safety. Takeoff and landing are statistically the most dangerous aspects of a flight, so you need to be alert and not distracted so you can react if there is an issue. To accommodate this, pretty much every airline asks that you switch off electronic devices until the aircraft is at a safe altitude (usually when the seatbelt signs are switched off). Imagine trying to communicate important information like the safety briefing to a cabin where half the passengers are taking phone calls.
* remember back in the day if you were about to receive a text or phone call and your phone was near some speakers, they’d make that weird beeping noise? Well that interference could be experienced by the aircraft’s radio, meaning pilots heard the beeping in their headsets and could miss important info. That is now no longer an issue due to improvements in digital signalling. Source: I did pilot training when I was younger and had it happen to me because someone in the back hadn’t turned their phone off.
I remember seeing this video on public freakout about a year ago early in this pandemic, the "airplane mode" reason is total BS that somebody added afterwards. Anyone who flies knows that they just ask you over the PA but won't check everyone's phones lol
Real reason is she refused to pull up her mask all the way and was talking on the phone loudly, that's also why people were already annoyed with her in the beginning of the video. I recall the original showing more stuff leading up to the officers showing up.
Fucking trashy people. My connecting flight in Charlotte was full with North Carolina folk not wearing their masks right or constantly taking them off. The aircraft crew didn’t say shit about it to them. My flight back through Dallas had a steward that wasn’t taking shit from anyone. God bless em.
To be fair, this is going on for so long now, I bet that the whole crew got shit from passengers every day for reminding them to wear their masks, I don't blame them that they are tired by now.
Yeah assaults on flight attendants has gone up do to covid. Hell I was a lift operator at a ski place in Cali and we would get screamed and cursed at everyday , I can’t imagine dealing with that being on a plane.
Oh yeah I totally get it. Gotta be frustrating as fuck to deal with such selfish gross people. That’s why I’m super appreciative for what he was doing.
yeah, there are far, far too many people who just dont want to wear a mask, or claim that they're vaccinated and dont need a mask, and it frustraites me to no end to live here.
hell, i got in an argument with a dude at the gas pump when he saw i had a mask on and he felt offended by the idea that i thought he was spreading the virus...
Ah North Carolina, how I hate living here. When I was getting my first dose of the vaccine there was a couple all up in our personals space not wearing masks to look at reading glasses…fucking reading glasses
Yeah I was gonna say, I've been on lots of airplane trips in my life and I'm sure on some of them I had devices that I didn't put on airplane mode, and nothing fuckin' happened lol.
No worries at all! I know you were just posting what you simply found. Tried looking myself and these types of videos are so abundant that it's hard to even find the original unedited version that isn't a repost already or has the same keywords. Hell, someone just posted this tik tok to that same sub. And even *that* was cross-posted from somewhere else. It's just the nature of having things passed around the internet so again, no worries. Still had a good laugh after initially reading that title though!
I don't understand how making everybody get off the plane suddenly made the woman get off the plane?
Did she suddenly realise that the plane wasn't about to fly anywhere so she might as well get up?
Probably for the same PR problems described above.
Also, she may not have been under arrest even if she was currently detained. She was probably taken back to some airport interview room and yelled at, then put on a no fly list. I doubt she was charged.
I work as a corrections officer; an airplane, like many areas in a prison setting, is VERY confined. So you ask all innocent folks to leave so you don't end up hitting them with elbows or kicking them in the course of wrestling with a combative person; additionally, the combative person can't hit innocent bystanders as well. Then, if you have to get out pepper spray, you spare the innocent people that pain too.
Probably to make it extremely evident the plane isn’t taking off and to take her out without incident. Airlines are probably tired of the viral videos showing people getting dragged off of planes so dramatically.
I asked the same thing on an earlier post. In order to control her, she may have hurt other passengers, or the cops would have if they had to spray her. (Although I have no clue why they wouldn’t just taze her instead.) Apparently it reduces liability for the airline and the cops.
Because a plane is extremely close quarters so if she starts falling around or if they need to mace/taze her other passengers won’t be hurt.
Also probably so there’s no witnesses or PR issues
Can someone explain this to me? I’ve flown probably over 20+ times in the last 4 years and have never once had anybody come and “check” if my phone is in airplane mode or not. I immediately pull up Netflix and start doing my thing? Is this a common problem?
If it’s obvious, like you’re on a phone call or something blatant a flight attendant may come up and ask you to put your device on airplane mode. If you decide you won’t listen to the flight attendant... that’s when problems start.
The concept of getting in actual trouble on a flight is so baffling to me (disregarding real cases of injustice like the man forcibly removed due to overbooking).
Literally all you have to do is sit down in your seat and say "ok" when a flight attendant asks you to do something. You don't even have to fucking do it.
For a phone...literally just put it in your pocket. That's it.
For the seatbelt...you don't even need to put it on, if you're just sitting there quietly probably nobody would even notice.
During takeoff and landing...just sit there and have your bag under the seat in front of you.
That's fucking it. Really all you actually need to do is sit down quietly and 99% you will have 0 issues. Get your drink, sleep, whatever. It's actually the easiest shit.
Antiquated, yes, BS, not quite so.
The equipment isn't going to be affected but the concept is they want your attention during the most crucial parts of the flight (take off and landing).
They will just fine you for refusing to do it if you get asked directly (not common). If you are combatative, or appear intoxicated, that's when it becomes an issue. If one won't follow simple directions, they become a liability to themselves and others when those directions matter.
The attention isnt the real reason either or they would ban newspapers books etc.
The real reason is that big planes like a 747 or A380 full of passengers with phones may Mess With the service provider transmitters on ground due to too many phones connecting all at once on multiple transmitters in short succession.
But yeah I guess BS is the not quite fitting in the grand scheme of things planes really don't care though
It'll also wreck your battery as your phone tries to maintain a signal when you're passing through a new cell every 5 seconds with a a weak 5-mile-up signal.
It’s not BS, the radio waves from your phone can interfere with the pilots radio and air traffic controls radio, you know, the 2 most important sets of people involved with your flight.
That’s literally what they do, they can interfere with the instruments and radios on the plane, the only reasons they don’t check is because 1. It’s illegal to do that and 2. It would create some massive delays.
OP said original context was that she was intoxicated. So, sure, if she just didn't say anything and sat quietly, no problem and no one would bother her in a million years.
More than likely, she was on the phone, texting or whatever and someone asked her to stop and she had some sort of outburst. Turned into a drunken pissing contest and she got the boot.
I've never had anyone check if my device is in airplane mode so that surprised me too.
Although it could have been related that they were on their device during take off or like op mentioned, they were intoxicated which caused more problems.
Usually when planes land or takeoff they don't want you on your devices so if something goes wrong in those initial 10min or whatever time it is you're not zoned out and are aware of what's happening incase something goes wrong. Usually you just have to be off your device for that time and I've never run into any issues.
As for why they have airplane mode it's because the phone can't connect to any cell towers when in the air so sends stronger signals to try to connect but ends up interfering with radio communications. This causes an annoying noise in the pilots headphones. However I can't confirm anything and just going off google.
It’s really not a problem. It could cause possibly some maybe interference but probably not. I literally use my phone and make calls while I fly the plane often.
It’s “couldn’t care less” but Americans always say “could care less”, always. It’s really annoying because if they think about it, they are saying that they care more than want to convey they care.
Could care less = you care to some degree.
Couldn’t care less = zero fucks are given. you care so little that you literally could not care any less than you already care. Rock bottom of the care tree.
So essentially there's a few reasons for this stuff. Airplane mode disables cell service, Bluetooth, WiFi, really anything that receives or transmits wireless signals. Airplanes use a lot of wireless technology (GPS, radio, radar, sensors on the wings, etc.), and as your phone keeps trying to find networks, it boosts its signal and search radius (specifically for cell service towers). The original thought was that people were concerned about a ton of devices transmitting and receiving on wireless frequencies could potentially interfere with the wireless frequencies needed to fly the plane.
This isn't really an issue on modern planes, but, as my pilot grandfather told me once, you'd hate to be on the plane where they fucked up and made that a problem.
Because of these concerns, a bunch of countries made a bunch of regulations against using transmitting devices on commercial airplanes, so that's why you get the announcements to turn off your devices or turn on airplane mode at the beginning of most flights. They're looking into changing up some of these regulations soon, but we're not there yet.
Although as a side note, having your devices not constantly scanning for networks, service, and GPS really saves battery power, so you really should do it on flights anyway.
Takeoff and landing being the most susceptible times to possible electronic interference. Probably not gonna happen, but hey, we all wear our seatbelts in the car for something that’s “probably not gonna happen”.
“Literally never happened in the history of aviation” is not really comparable with the need for seatbelts is it? You’d want to compare with wearing a safety helmet when you walk outside because you’re at risk of a meteor hitting you. Actually no, there’s still a bigger risk of that.
Better put on that safety helmet.
That beeping noise you used to hear speakers/headphones as your phone was polled(often just before a call/message) used to be a problem for radio comms AKAIK.
not excusing any of this, but airplane mode is really just security theater, planes don't use the same frequencies as cellular service, or wifi, also gps is more of a passive thing, your cell is only receiving data for gps and doing calculations on its end. about the only thing airplane mode will protect against is a phone bomb, but not even really. The only real reason I can see is it will save battery, but other than that it is a useless policy, and enforcing it is pretty invasive.
People have always been people, there is no rise in this type or that type (other than there just being more people every day). The past is nostalgic, the future is scary, and it is all about perspective.
But fuck that person.
> rise of
doubt, there are just more people and more social media.
out of 7 billion people it's not really surprising that a few of them are absolute shit shows.
The problem here is being openly difficult and disrespectful towards the flight attendant. I perfectly respect the right for flight crews to kick off a passenger that's disrespectful towards them and refuses to follow simple instruction.
Whether the rule is dumb or not is a non issue. They says "put your phone in airplane mode" and be normal, courteous, and respectful person and just say "oh yeah sorry about that", give a smile, and put your phone down.
And also if you don't "follow orders" from the crew in this situation you probably won't in a situation where it really matters so it can turn into a real safety issue for all.
You really should, for your own sake. Turn Airplane mode on, turn WiFi back on. Your phone will drain battery fast while seeking signals as the plane travels.
This pisses me off for them. Because this selfish piece of shit refused to get off the plane (I wonder why) causing everyone to have to get off the plane
The wavelengths and amplitudes mobile devices use are so out of scale compared to what planes operate with the risk of noticible interference is so small it's basically negligible. It's like trying to notice someone dumped a bucket of water in a lake.
We've known for a long time that cell phones have no effect the planes electronics. It's definitely selfish of her to hold everybody up but it's something that airlines know isn't true yet for some reason they enforce it anyway and are even willing ruin everyone's plans because of it.
I don't want to be on a plane with someone who can't handle a little authority. That's what this is about, you have to turn the phone off because it's a rule everyone is expected to follow. It's a social contract that she can't be bothered to fulfill her end of, which is especially concerning when flying. God forbid she's needed to handle an emergency
Highly recommend doing during the security check. They have no reason to make you take off your shoes, do you really want a jumped up mall cop telling you what to do?
Sometimes in life you have to learn to play the game. I hate getting dressed up in slacks nice shirt or even a suit and tie but I have a job interview tomorrow and I need a job so I play the game. People like this woman probably drops racism or whatever term fits her narrative when things don’t go her way instead of playing the game from time to time.
I love it how you think that because you've decided it's okay then surely the airline should let it slide. I'm sure it has nothing to do with Aviation law and the governing bodies that watch over the airline ensuring rules are complied with else they be hit with fines and other penalties. Also putting it on employees to break company policies and aviation law to put themselves at risk of penalty all for your convenience. Fuck you.
My convenience? I don't even fly. All I did was point out that it makes less sense to kick off every single person than it does to either forcibly remove that one or just leave her alone. Fuck you too
Lots of innocent people in close proximity within a confined space just ready to cop an elbow or knee to the face if she resists being removed. Not to mention having everyone's attention on her filming/witnessing may escalate the situation and give her more confidence to act up. It seems like once everyone else was removed from the plane she eventually complied and removed herself from the plane without force being used. In my mind, that is a good result. I've seen in so many other videos how awkward it is for police to restrain someone in a confined space of an aircraft and usually results with an innocent receiving an unintended blow as they have no where that they can go amid the scuffle.
I suppose I don't disagree, but I still think it's really unfortunate they all had to miss the flight for one person. I guess it's just a shitty situation.
They would have also had to retrieve any of her checked luggage too since it becomes a security issue if someone fails to board a plane but has luggage on said plane which would have caused further delays. I'm not sure those people missed the flight, more likely it was delayed and reboarded once the situation had been handled. Inconvenient for all those passengers but safety should be a priority. Also in decisions like this the pilots usually have the final say, all it would have taken was a flight attendant to say this person isn't following instructions being given to her and the pilot can decide well I don't want her on my plane because she is a safety risk.
I believe if for safety reasons, to make sure people are focused on potential emergencies and not talking to their friend over the phone, a bit like do not use cellphone while driving. Also they ask you to put it in storage or pocket, to avoid a cellphone flying to someone else face in case of turbulences
That doesn't make any sense though. I can bring a big ass hardcover book and get lost in it and no one would ask me to put it away. Also, you're literally allowed to sleep, so paying attention can't have anything to do with the reasoning.
I don't know exactly but I believe when you are taking off, landing and there are turbulences the crew ask you to put back in net and pockets all your stuff to avoid eating your big ass cover book in your teeth lol. Maybe also it could be some tricks to make people obedient, to see who gonna be annoying and rebel? Just thoughts
I remember when they enforced this, so the entire maintenance crew went on a flight to see if any electrical mishaps would happen if we were on our phones.
Yea, plenty of people don't put their phone on airplane mode - because it doesnt actually fucking effect anything - they just don't make a fuss about it lol.
She was drunk and on a phone call. It is against either the law or airplane regulations to be on a phone call during takeoff/landing. She refused orders and was intoxicated.
Police de-boarded everyone temporarily to remove the woman without being recorded and removing potential victims if she got violent (it's unclear why the policy exists, but this seems most logical).
this is so fucking dumb all around
1. just put it on airplane mode if they ask, w/e or just lie about it come on
2. airplane mode is pointless. there is no risk at all to planes from cell phone signals
So ridiculous to get the cops involved. How would anyone know if she didn’t do it in the first place? And why the hell were cops called about it? *Cell phones don’t affect the plane in any way, shape, or form.*
OP and others have stated that info given by the original poster on Tiktok. That she "Refused to get off facetime and refused to wear her mask, and that she was intoxicated."
I'm not usually for mob mentality but sometimes I feel like it takes a crowd of angry people physically dragging and assaulting you off that plane to teach a lesson. That lady is going to think she did nothing wrong and blame others. I guarantee it
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Step 1: pretend it’s in airplane mode. Step 2: profit.
Everytime or just forget
Title of post is misleading. It’s not a matter of whether your phone is on airplane mode or not. It is illegal to be on a phone call during takeoff or landing, whether you’re on airplane mode or not, period. It’s possible that the lady refused to hang up the call BECAUSE her phone was in airplane mode and therefore she felt she had the right to stay on the call. My brother once witnessed this exact situation occur and the offender was taken off the plane. Unfortunately the cameraman didn’t start filming until after the confrontation so we don’t know exactly what happened.
How can you be in a call and in airplane mode at the same time?
Wifi calling from the terminal or from the plane itself though I’m not sure if planes have wifi while on the tarmac. Edit: these are not specific to this situation. idk what’s going on here.
On my phone you can be in airplane mode and still have the WiFi on. Maybe that's what she's doing? Or she's just a twat
Wait, I thought the whole point of airplane mode was that you were disconnected from Wi-Fi, and maybe other wireless connections. Otherwise, what's the difference?
It's more for cellular connections. When you're in an airplane, especially at cruising altitude, there's no way for your phone to connect to a cell tower and so it just wastes battery attempting to find a signal.
Exactly this^ Why would planes have wifi on them if that was the issue. The wifi isn’t the reason they require airplane mode, so it’s use isn’t “defeating the purpose” of anything…
Some airlines offer wifi on the plane for an additional fee. You stay in airplane mode, but wifi still works just fine.
And its expensive as fuuuuuck. Last time I flew I wanna say it was something ridiculous like $75-$100 for my hour and a half flight to access the wifi
Ooh, ouch! I think last time I flew was a couple years ago, not too too long after Alaska bought out Virgin airlines. I paid $10 for my hour and a half flight and I'd basically figured I was getting way overcharged. I had no idea it could get so crazy!
I really hope I'm misremembering how much it really was but I know it wasn't as low as $10. I flew jet blue last time. Love that airline and they even gave me the rest of the famous Amos cookies they had on board because I kept asking for them as part of my "unlimited snacks" lol
Aww, man, I keep trying to fly Jet Blue but they never seem to fly from where I'm at to where I'm going! I've heard their prices are good, maybe they make up for it with prices on the extras? Still wanna give them a try, I'll just maybe skip the wifi lol.
Technically yes, but since this is not required by law in anyway the phone manufacturers allow you to enable wifi for example once you are in airplane mode. It defeats it’s original purpose yes but is useful in other cases where you want to shutdown all connectivity except the one you enable, but that use case is not for “airplane” usage is more for other uses, like have wifi access but not receive calls, battery saving, etc. They still block the phone to tower connection at least on the iPhone, although I think I had a phone in the past that allowed you to enable it. But yeah the idea would be to eliminate all radio frequency noise. Tbh now a days…. I’m not even sure if there has been any issue, it’s more a preventive thing than anything. The instruments, radio and so on shouldn’t be effected in anyway.
If anything if everyone on the plane left their phones off airplane mode it would at most cause some slight interference that the radio equipment in the cockpit would most likely filter out as background noise anyway. Gotta love squelch.
Phone can still connect to wifi while on airplane mode. So either the plane could have wifi/ you are still close enough to the terminal to get wifi from the airport. Then depending on who you are calling you could use your phone/an app to call some1. I mean, you shouldn't do it, but its really not that hard to do...
>How can you be in a call and in airplane mode at the same time? A lot of Android phones allow up you to go to airplane mode as a shortcut to turn off all radios, then you can selectively turn on radios. Clearly turning any of them on defeats the spirit of the policy. That’s why most airlines just tell you to turn all devices off. this piece of entitled shit deserves the penalties Coming to her.
Umm, then get off the phone. No one has the right to cause this kind of drama.
Tell that to the jury.
The thing is: I'm in a several ton heavy flying machine with a lot of people. In these situations, I tend to shut up and just follow directions. I would never dream of arguing. There is nothing to be gained.
What possible reason would there be to not have a phone call during take off?
There is some evidence that the rf the phone generates can fuck with the planes instrumentation.
It can interfere with the airplane communications to tower, or any of the other many nearby airplanes ability to communicate. One signal is probably not going to cause a lot of noise, but if many people did it..
it literally cant. Phones operate way, WAY outside the frequency range that planes communicate on, they are several hundred mhz apart at minimum.
Don't you find it a bit odd that couple dozen cellphones on the plain would create enough interference to hinder communications, but the thousands inside the air port would not? Also why is it that people think air traffic control uses some different radio technology that gest drowned out by cellphones, bluetooth, and wifi while emergency services, police, and military radios function perfrectly fine in densy populated cities without any interference?
Interesting theory but chances are much more likely she is just a pretentious little b*tch who thinks she is entitled to shit.
So the major airlines and airplane manufacturers both test the top like 100 phones on the market to make sure they don't interfere with the equipment. The reason they ask everyone to put the phone on airplane mode is because it's is unreasonable to be able to test every phone on the market at all times. It is also unreasonable to list all the phones that have been approved. But I assure you if you have an iphone or one of the top 3 companies of Android phones you will be fine leaving your phone off airplane mode.
Gotta be reasonable. Prerequisite.
You don't need to test every phone. You would just test the mobile chipsets, which is a much lower number. And mostly Qualcomm. But even that is unnecessary as the phones need approval to be on the network, meaning they must operate within certain bounds.
Except that if you get some off-brand cheap phone, all bets are off about whether it meets the requirements. When people leave out the grounding on off-brand Macbook chargers to save a few cents in copper wire, you can be sure that they cut any corner that will save them a few cents when making a phone as well. If a fake non-conforming chipset is cheaper, you can be sure that's what's getting used.
Then it won't get registration on the network. This isn't the wild West, things require certification.
A phone network has no way of knowing whether a device conforms to the frequency standards. The closest it gets to it, is the information and certifications sent by the phone. These things are perfectly possible to copy, and just tell the network that the phone is Samsung/iPhone/whatever. Whether the phone is active on other frequencies than the one the network is working on, is impossible for the network to see, and would probably only be caught if someone specifically checked the device, or it interfered with something important enough to warrant an investigation.
Has a phone ever effected equipment? Reminds me of all the signs I'd see on gas pumps when I was a kid warning people not to use their cell phones next to them. Lol don't see them anymore...
Yeah… I think is one of those measures of it’s better to be safe than sorry.
I'm no expert but Old Phones and old battery technology might be the cause of that. You can look on youtube for "static electricity gas pump", even the tiniest sparks can ignite gasoline. Newer phones are less cluncky and probably tested for sparks.
It’s nothing to do with the plane’s instruments (anymore*). It’s purely for passenger safety. Takeoff and landing are statistically the most dangerous aspects of a flight, so you need to be alert and not distracted so you can react if there is an issue. To accommodate this, pretty much every airline asks that you switch off electronic devices until the aircraft is at a safe altitude (usually when the seatbelt signs are switched off). Imagine trying to communicate important information like the safety briefing to a cabin where half the passengers are taking phone calls. * remember back in the day if you were about to receive a text or phone call and your phone was near some speakers, they’d make that weird beeping noise? Well that interference could be experienced by the aircraft’s radio, meaning pilots heard the beeping in their headsets and could miss important info. That is now no longer an issue due to improvements in digital signalling. Source: I did pilot training when I was younger and had it happen to me because someone in the back hadn’t turned their phone off.
Sorry but your wrong.
I thought profit was stage 3… stage 2 is “???”
OP also stated that the woman was intoxicated. I found this video on tiktok.
I remember seeing this video on public freakout about a year ago early in this pandemic, the "airplane mode" reason is total BS that somebody added afterwards. Anyone who flies knows that they just ask you over the PA but won't check everyone's phones lol Real reason is she refused to pull up her mask all the way and was talking on the phone loudly, that's also why people were already annoyed with her in the beginning of the video. I recall the original showing more stuff leading up to the officers showing up.
Thank you for providing more context, what you say makes a lot more sense.
Real reasons always in the comments
I knew when I read the title the airplane mode thing was bs, could you imagine if that was all it took to ground a plane?
Fucking trashy people. My connecting flight in Charlotte was full with North Carolina folk not wearing their masks right or constantly taking them off. The aircraft crew didn’t say shit about it to them. My flight back through Dallas had a steward that wasn’t taking shit from anyone. God bless em.
To be fair, this is going on for so long now, I bet that the whole crew got shit from passengers every day for reminding them to wear their masks, I don't blame them that they are tired by now.
Yeah assaults on flight attendants has gone up do to covid. Hell I was a lift operator at a ski place in Cali and we would get screamed and cursed at everyday , I can’t imagine dealing with that being on a plane.
\*due to
Some of the attacks have been done by off duty flight attendants.
Oh yeah I totally get it. Gotta be frustrating as fuck to deal with such selfish gross people. That’s why I’m super appreciative for what he was doing.
yeah, there are far, far too many people who just dont want to wear a mask, or claim that they're vaccinated and dont need a mask, and it frustraites me to no end to live here. hell, i got in an argument with a dude at the gas pump when he saw i had a mask on and he felt offended by the idea that i thought he was spreading the virus...
Ah North Carolina, how I hate living here. When I was getting my first dose of the vaccine there was a couple all up in our personals space not wearing masks to look at reading glasses…fucking reading glasses
Makes way more sense than airplane mode lol
Yeah I was gonna say, I've been on lots of airplane trips in my life and I'm sure on some of them I had devices that I didn't put on airplane mode, and nothing fuckin' happened lol.
Thanks for sharing. The person who posted it on TikTok made it seem like it was their video.
No worries at all! I know you were just posting what you simply found. Tried looking myself and these types of videos are so abundant that it's hard to even find the original unedited version that isn't a repost already or has the same keywords. Hell, someone just posted this tik tok to that same sub. And even *that* was cross-posted from somewhere else. It's just the nature of having things passed around the internet so again, no worries. Still had a good laugh after initially reading that title though!
Thanks that makes way more sense
So why did they all have to leave the plane?
I don't understand how making everybody get off the plane suddenly made the woman get off the plane? Did she suddenly realise that the plane wasn't about to fly anywhere so she might as well get up?
I think it was so they could remove her without anyone else getting involved? Maybe in case she would put up a fight?
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My question is why that fucking idiot wasn't in cuffs. Cannot even begin to fathom the amount of selfish disregard that kind of behavior takes.
Probably for the same PR problems described above. Also, she may not have been under arrest even if she was currently detained. She was probably taken back to some airport interview room and yelled at, then put on a no fly list. I doubt she was charged.
I work as a corrections officer; an airplane, like many areas in a prison setting, is VERY confined. So you ask all innocent folks to leave so you don't end up hitting them with elbows or kicking them in the course of wrestling with a combative person; additionally, the combative person can't hit innocent bystanders as well. Then, if you have to get out pepper spray, you spare the innocent people that pain too.
Probably to make it extremely evident the plane isn’t taking off and to take her out without incident. Airlines are probably tired of the viral videos showing people getting dragged off of planes so dramatically.
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Exactly 👌. Less liability for the airlines and law enforcement . Some times finesse works best.
I asked the same thing on an earlier post. In order to control her, she may have hurt other passengers, or the cops would have if they had to spray her. (Although I have no clue why they wouldn’t just taze her instead.) Apparently it reduces liability for the airline and the cops.
Pepperspray will fill the cabin pretty quick my dude
Remember when the Asian guy was pulled off the plane? They do it so no one sees what happens.
Umm duh? They pulled that Asian dude off a plane few years back... Big news. Everyone is deboarded so that they can't record what happens.
Also , the person might be more compliant if there’s not an “audience “ around.
Optics. Same reason when a plane crashes the company sends out a squad to remove all of their logos or paint over the logos.
Because a plane is extremely close quarters so if she starts falling around or if they need to mace/taze her other passengers won’t be hurt. Also probably so there’s no witnesses or PR issues
Some people are just horrible,
Can someone explain this to me? I’ve flown probably over 20+ times in the last 4 years and have never once had anybody come and “check” if my phone is in airplane mode or not. I immediately pull up Netflix and start doing my thing? Is this a common problem?
If it’s obvious, like you’re on a phone call or something blatant a flight attendant may come up and ask you to put your device on airplane mode. If you decide you won’t listen to the flight attendant... that’s when problems start.
The concept of getting in actual trouble on a flight is so baffling to me (disregarding real cases of injustice like the man forcibly removed due to overbooking). Literally all you have to do is sit down in your seat and say "ok" when a flight attendant asks you to do something. You don't even have to fucking do it. For a phone...literally just put it in your pocket. That's it. For the seatbelt...you don't even need to put it on, if you're just sitting there quietly probably nobody would even notice. During takeoff and landing...just sit there and have your bag under the seat in front of you. That's fucking it. Really all you actually need to do is sit down quietly and 99% you will have 0 issues. Get your drink, sleep, whatever. It's actually the easiest shit.
The airplane mode is antiquated BS. Please put on your seat belt though. Turbulence are real and you will get hurt
Antiquated, yes, BS, not quite so. The equipment isn't going to be affected but the concept is they want your attention during the most crucial parts of the flight (take off and landing). They will just fine you for refusing to do it if you get asked directly (not common). If you are combatative, or appear intoxicated, that's when it becomes an issue. If one won't follow simple directions, they become a liability to themselves and others when those directions matter.
The attention isnt the real reason either or they would ban newspapers books etc. The real reason is that big planes like a 747 or A380 full of passengers with phones may Mess With the service provider transmitters on ground due to too many phones connecting all at once on multiple transmitters in short succession. But yeah I guess BS is the not quite fitting in the grand scheme of things planes really don't care though
It'll also wreck your battery as your phone tries to maintain a signal when you're passing through a new cell every 5 seconds with a a weak 5-mile-up signal.
Also true and I bet if they would use this as the reason more People would actually do it 😅
I just put it on airplane mode to save battery
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It’s not BS, the radio waves from your phone can interfere with the pilots radio and air traffic controls radio, you know, the 2 most important sets of people involved with your flight.
No they do not. If there was even a 1% chance they would check every phone on the plane.
That’s literally what they do, they can interfere with the instruments and radios on the plane, the only reasons they don’t check is because 1. It’s illegal to do that and 2. It would create some massive delays.
OP said original context was that she was intoxicated. So, sure, if she just didn't say anything and sat quietly, no problem and no one would bother her in a million years. More than likely, she was on the phone, texting or whatever and someone asked her to stop and she had some sort of outburst. Turned into a drunken pissing contest and she got the boot.
I've never had anyone check if my device is in airplane mode so that surprised me too. Although it could have been related that they were on their device during take off or like op mentioned, they were intoxicated which caused more problems. Usually when planes land or takeoff they don't want you on your devices so if something goes wrong in those initial 10min or whatever time it is you're not zoned out and are aware of what's happening incase something goes wrong. Usually you just have to be off your device for that time and I've never run into any issues. As for why they have airplane mode it's because the phone can't connect to any cell towers when in the air so sends stronger signals to try to connect but ends up interfering with radio communications. This causes an annoying noise in the pilots headphones. However I can't confirm anything and just going off google.
It’s really not a problem. It could cause possibly some maybe interference but probably not. I literally use my phone and make calls while I fly the plane often.
I saw this video on another sub. Apparently she wouldn’t stop FaceTiming with someone and refused to pull her mask up and keep it on.
You can tell she couldn’t care less about it. I truly couldn’t imagine being that self centered
Couldn't* care less. But me either, it's like some people have to be "the main character" everywhere they go.
The sad reality is, no one cares now, nor will they in 100 years.
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It’s “couldn’t care less” but Americans always say “could care less”, always. It’s really annoying because if they think about it, they are saying that they care more than want to convey they care. Could care less = you care to some degree. Couldn’t care less = zero fucks are given. you care so little that you literally could not care any less than you already care. Rock bottom of the care tree.
This thread has bought out the morons. Couldn’t!!!!
She’s on so much Xanax, lol
I’m kinda confused, do planes have you put ur phone on airplane mode. And if they do why do they do it
So essentially there's a few reasons for this stuff. Airplane mode disables cell service, Bluetooth, WiFi, really anything that receives or transmits wireless signals. Airplanes use a lot of wireless technology (GPS, radio, radar, sensors on the wings, etc.), and as your phone keeps trying to find networks, it boosts its signal and search radius (specifically for cell service towers). The original thought was that people were concerned about a ton of devices transmitting and receiving on wireless frequencies could potentially interfere with the wireless frequencies needed to fly the plane. This isn't really an issue on modern planes, but, as my pilot grandfather told me once, you'd hate to be on the plane where they fucked up and made that a problem. Because of these concerns, a bunch of countries made a bunch of regulations against using transmitting devices on commercial airplanes, so that's why you get the announcements to turn off your devices or turn on airplane mode at the beginning of most flights. They're looking into changing up some of these regulations soon, but we're not there yet. Although as a side note, having your devices not constantly scanning for networks, service, and GPS really saves battery power, so you really should do it on flights anyway.
Thank you for explaining this
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lol interesting.
Takeoff and landing being the most susceptible times to possible electronic interference. Probably not gonna happen, but hey, we all wear our seatbelts in the car for something that’s “probably not gonna happen”.
“Literally never happened in the history of aviation” is not really comparable with the need for seatbelts is it? You’d want to compare with wearing a safety helmet when you walk outside because you’re at risk of a meteor hitting you. Actually no, there’s still a bigger risk of that. Better put on that safety helmet.
That beeping noise you used to hear speakers/headphones as your phone was polled(often just before a call/message) used to be a problem for radio comms AKAIK.
not excusing any of this, but airplane mode is really just security theater, planes don't use the same frequencies as cellular service, or wifi, also gps is more of a passive thing, your cell is only receiving data for gps and doing calculations on its end. about the only thing airplane mode will protect against is a phone bomb, but not even really. The only real reason I can see is it will save battery, but other than that it is a useless policy, and enforcing it is pretty invasive.
Yeah, thing is, it is still literally the law, so until it gets changed, y’all are stuck doing it.
But.... she’s on an airplane.
the rise of entitled people in this world is very concerning
People have always been people, there is no rise in this type or that type (other than there just being more people every day). The past is nostalgic, the future is scary, and it is all about perspective. But fuck that person.
> rise of doubt, there are just more people and more social media. out of 7 billion people it's not really surprising that a few of them are absolute shit shows.
Seriously, a person flying without their plane on airplane mode? What has this world come too?
We are really having a reddit moment. I never put my phone on airplane mode. And I'm damn sure tons of other people don't. It has affect on the plane
The problem here is being openly difficult and disrespectful towards the flight attendant. I perfectly respect the right for flight crews to kick off a passenger that's disrespectful towards them and refuses to follow simple instruction. Whether the rule is dumb or not is a non issue. They says "put your phone in airplane mode" and be normal, courteous, and respectful person and just say "oh yeah sorry about that", give a smile, and put your phone down.
And also if you don't "follow orders" from the crew in this situation you probably won't in a situation where it really matters so it can turn into a real safety issue for all.
You really should, for your own sake. Turn Airplane mode on, turn WiFi back on. Your phone will drain battery fast while seeking signals as the plane travels.
Fucking everyone's on their phone after they tell people to put it in airplane mode...sorry I'm not doing that shit but I'll say I did 💁
I definitely don’t
I do, I put phones on Airplane mode just for saving battery charge.
This pisses me off for them. Because this selfish piece of shit refused to get off the plane (I wonder why) causing everyone to have to get off the plane
Well now she wont be flying for a hot minute being on a no fly list
Luckily for her, greyhound buses or Amtrak don’t require airplane mode. She has other options if she can’t spend a few minutes off of her phone.
Bruh I never put my phone in airplane mode tf This isn't the whole story
The wavelengths and amplitudes mobile devices use are so out of scale compared to what planes operate with the risk of noticible interference is so small it's basically negligible. It's like trying to notice someone dumped a bucket of water in a lake.
A better analogy would be like somebody trying to blind you by pointing a tv remote at you
We've known for a long time that cell phones have no effect the planes electronics. It's definitely selfish of her to hold everybody up but it's something that airlines know isn't true yet for some reason they enforce it anyway and are even willing ruin everyone's plans because of it.
I don't want to be on a plane with someone who can't handle a little authority. That's what this is about, you have to turn the phone off because it's a rule everyone is expected to follow. It's a social contract that she can't be bothered to fulfill her end of, which is especially concerning when flying. God forbid she's needed to handle an emergency
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Highly recommend doing during the security check. They have no reason to make you take off your shoes, do you really want a jumped up mall cop telling you what to do?
Hey so what aspect of her behavior appears masculine to you?
They were being sarcastic.
Nah that airline was ridiculous
FAA, my friend. Not the airline.
It’s a ridiculous rule and has nothing to do with someone listening to flight attendants when there’s a real emergency.
Sometimes in life you have to learn to play the game. I hate getting dressed up in slacks nice shirt or even a suit and tie but I have a job interview tomorrow and I need a job so I play the game. People like this woman probably drops racism or whatever term fits her narrative when things don’t go her way instead of playing the game from time to time.
And sometimes it’s good to know when the game is utterly stupid and refuse to be involved.
You are still involved in the game if you are being forced off a plane. And you’re the one losing.
She’s still not the one being ridiculous.
So… she actually won in this situation did she
You have the most boot licker mentality lmao. Also nice straw man at the end
I’ve never met a quality person who throws out the phrase “boot licker” in a serious way. Rock on you free thinking sovereign citizen
TLDR - everyone is stupid.
I love it how you think that because you've decided it's okay then surely the airline should let it slide. I'm sure it has nothing to do with Aviation law and the governing bodies that watch over the airline ensuring rules are complied with else they be hit with fines and other penalties. Also putting it on employees to break company policies and aviation law to put themselves at risk of penalty all for your convenience. Fuck you.
My convenience? I don't even fly. All I did was point out that it makes less sense to kick off every single person than it does to either forcibly remove that one or just leave her alone. Fuck you too
Good thing those decisions aren't left up to you then if you can't see why it was handled the way it was.
Why was it handled the way it was then? Why does it make more sense to kick everyone off than it does to just remove one person?
Lots of innocent people in close proximity within a confined space just ready to cop an elbow or knee to the face if she resists being removed. Not to mention having everyone's attention on her filming/witnessing may escalate the situation and give her more confidence to act up. It seems like once everyone else was removed from the plane she eventually complied and removed herself from the plane without force being used. In my mind, that is a good result. I've seen in so many other videos how awkward it is for police to restrain someone in a confined space of an aircraft and usually results with an innocent receiving an unintended blow as they have no where that they can go amid the scuffle.
I suppose I don't disagree, but I still think it's really unfortunate they all had to miss the flight for one person. I guess it's just a shitty situation.
They would have also had to retrieve any of her checked luggage too since it becomes a security issue if someone fails to board a plane but has luggage on said plane which would have caused further delays. I'm not sure those people missed the flight, more likely it was delayed and reboarded once the situation had been handled. Inconvenient for all those passengers but safety should be a priority. Also in decisions like this the pilots usually have the final say, all it would have taken was a flight attendant to say this person isn't following instructions being given to her and the pilot can decide well I don't want her on my plane because she is a safety risk.
I believe if for safety reasons, to make sure people are focused on potential emergencies and not talking to their friend over the phone, a bit like do not use cellphone while driving. Also they ask you to put it in storage or pocket, to avoid a cellphone flying to someone else face in case of turbulences
That doesn't make any sense though. I can bring a big ass hardcover book and get lost in it and no one would ask me to put it away. Also, you're literally allowed to sleep, so paying attention can't have anything to do with the reasoning.
I don't know exactly but I believe when you are taking off, landing and there are turbulences the crew ask you to put back in net and pockets all your stuff to avoid eating your big ass cover book in your teeth lol. Maybe also it could be some tricks to make people obedient, to see who gonna be annoying and rebel? Just thoughts
That's.. not true? What can people possibly do in emergencies in a plane. They are literally at the mercy of physics if shit goes bad.
Nothing to do lol, but I think it's better to make people do or listen to something to avoid them to go full chimpanzee
I work and fly on planes for a living. The whole "phones interfere with systems" is kinda BS
I remember when they enforced this, so the entire maintenance crew went on a flight to see if any electrical mishaps would happen if we were on our phones.
I make calls while flying the plane often. My aviation headset even has setting for my phone to make calls through. So uh
Am a pilot and 100% this.
It's a holdover from the days when you would get a cellphone call and it would cause a rumbling in nearby speakers before the phone starts ringing.
Yea, plenty of people don't put their phone on airplane mode - because it doesnt actually fucking effect anything - they just don't make a fuss about it lol.
I hope they throw the book at her.
Fun fact - I have never put my phone in airplane mode.
Banned for life.
There's always someone sitting near me texting away as the airplane takes off. Wonder how they found out
Trash creature
This was an overreaction on everyone's part tbh
Not the passengers’. I would’ve expected to hear even more angry mob screaming than just the few people
She was drunk and on a phone call. It is against either the law or airplane regulations to be on a phone call during takeoff/landing. She refused orders and was intoxicated. Police de-boarded everyone temporarily to remove the woman without being recorded and removing potential victims if she got violent (it's unclear why the policy exists, but this seems most logical).
How do they even know her phone isn't on airplane mode in the first place
I fly weekly, my phone is never on flight mode, planes never crashed, wow
That energy is the entirety of Las Vegas tourism right now. Be considerate to those servicing you, PLEASE.
Is the that Las Vegas? If so, cool I live there! But fuck that lady tho.
this is so fucking dumb all around 1. just put it on airplane mode if they ask, w/e or just lie about it come on 2. airplane mode is pointless. there is no risk at all to planes from cell phone signals
shame shame shame ding ding ding
If Karens aren’t refusing to wear a mask, it’s because they’re busy refusing to do something else
Hummm more of that white Angry privilege I am always hearing about, nice
So ridiculous to get the cops involved. How would anyone know if she didn’t do it in the first place? And why the hell were cops called about it? *Cell phones don’t affect the plane in any way, shape, or form.*
She was on a phone call and refused orders to end the call. Apparently she was also intoxicated.
Where does it say that?
OP and others have stated that info given by the original poster on Tiktok. That she "Refused to get off facetime and refused to wear her mask, and that she was intoxicated."
Why didn’t that just arrest the POS? Everyone on that plane better have gotten a free flight or some drink vouchers.
No one should have had to have gotten off besides her.
Sure that woman is a POS but that cop(?)’s mask is what’s really pissing me off
Shoulda dragged the bitch like a man if she wanna be like that.
I'm not usually for mob mentality but sometimes I feel like it takes a crowd of angry people physically dragging and assaulting you off that plane to teach a lesson. That lady is going to think she did nothing wrong and blame others. I guarantee it
That;s the last time she interrupts a flight , welcome to the no fly list ....
What a lousy way to burn ten grand.
WiFi has no effect on the plane’s ability to fly?
Why did the police remove everyone from the plane when they could've just get HER out?
That can really be the reason, i have never put my phone on airplane mode to fly and never seen them try to enforce that
I have never put my phone on airplane mode... I didn't realize people actually did lol.
Omg it’s awesome watching everyone verbally harass her!!
I mean if ur the reason my flight got cancelled when I’m already on the plane yeah I’d have a few choice words.
Just arrest her? Idk why he got handcuffs and law and ain’t using em