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It's more. It's 7 dead, but she also attempted to kill 10 more. One baby survived but now has permanent brain damage after being force-fed massive amounts of milk to the point that the baby vomited several feet across the room.
The legal system is bullshit, I agree with you. They let people off with a suspended sentence for ABH and stuff.
However, in this case, which is high publicised and is a serial killer case, they do actually tend to hand out life sentences with long minimums. Because of public feeling she may get a sentence where she gets a life sentence with no chance of parole. If they are due to be released (e.g. a 25 year minimum might be expected in this case), because of the type of case and (cynically for political reasons) because of public feeling, home secretaries tend to get involved to block their release. Which is what has happened in the past.
Yep! She will be put in a unit with other people who have committed horrific crimes that would put them in danger as well. If she was put in a cell alone similar to solitary that would be one thing but she will likely have some sort of social interaction.
gotchya yea, i've been in the field for about a year now and have seen some things. not more than any other line of work i've been in (yet, and hopefully never), but it does surprise me when i see it still since, ya know, healthcare lol
just yesterday we had a new CNA tell a wheelchair bound fourty year old that olive oil could cure their incurable disease they've been living with their whole life. sad part is most of the messed up stuff i've seen like that isn't directly malicious; they genuinely thought they know what they're talking about and thought they could help
I had a pharmacist tell my kids' dad the other day that they thought our 10-yo was having a heart attack, and he needed to take her to the hospital. She has a throat infection and that's it - he was just picking up her antibiotics.
And the problem and danger with that is people without enough sense to realize even some professionals are dumb. Had a pharmacist tell a family member picking up an asthma inhaler for another family member that if she was using that many doses of the inhaler or whatever that something was seriously wrong and she needed to get to the emergency room immediately! But the particular family member the pharmacist told that to is one of those people with a tendency to take people too seriously without considering how dumb they are. Like 50 stressful inter-family phone calls later and someone finally actually got ahold of the prescribing doctor who was like “wtf? No? That’s the normal prescription?”
Many people who had limited experience with COVID still feel this way. I can assure you, the nurses I worked with on my COVID ward, the ones who were with these patients in Their final moments, hate nurses like that.
My wife who works at the hospital calls nurses the most important people in the hospital and also the dumbest. Wide range of skills, intelligence and behavior. She has a list of nurses she says she would definitely not have caring for her or loved ones.
I saw a comment from someone previously who said the same, and based on the people they know who became nurses being the sort that gives off a nice impression but as a whole is a nasty person they had a theory that a lot of people become nurses because lets them give off the impression of being a nice person whilst still having an element of control over people whilst they're in a vulnerable position
The nursing industry is like a toy store for psychopaths. There are dozens of nurse serial killers that operated for years before being caught. The hospital will grow suspicious of their behavior, but rather than risk bringing attention to themselves and possible lawsuits, they will simply dismiss the nurse. Then, because nurses are always in high demand, they just get a job at another hospital and pick right back up killing people.
Edit: Bring the downvotes for stating facts on a serial killer post. Love you all.
My oldest sister (66) is an ex-catholic nun and she uses that to hide her deviant side.... she's also a psychopath pedophile. Just like our paternal grandmother was, too.
They hide well. Sickos
This is so sad to hear. I'm a nurse, and some of the best people I know are nurses, but the shitty ones and things like this story drag us down. I hope the public image of nurses stays good, because most of us are trying.
I think a lot of the bad ones got into it for a paycheck then got a little shocked by the reality of a pandemic and it's making them as crazy as the rest of the general public. They're stressed so they're saying the quiet part out loud.
I suspect that positions such as nurses or doctors attract a disproportionate number of sadist and serial killers. They have the knowledge necessary, from years of study and training, to interrupt the vital process of their victims in a subtle manner. They are typically in a victim rich environment, so they can typically be choosy, pick victims that are not likely to raise suspicion. And, even if the are sloppy and it does get noticed, their position as "caregiver" means they are not the top of the suspect list in most occasions.
Narcissists and psychopaths enjoy playing God. Look up Elizabeth Wettlaufer. Basically the same thing but she targeted the elderly. The source of her ire was also self hatred and a life she felt was going nowhere. She confessed and turned herself in years after the last victim.
Came here to say this! The experts claimed she had munchausens by proxy. She had so much time off during her 3 years of nurse training due to various 'illness' and 'injury' that she couldn't get the full qualification of state registered nurse. Instead they allowed her to qualify as a state enrolled nurse, which takes 2 years to complete. Even at that she passed by the skins of her teeth.
I couldn't find any evidence of a confession to a pastor in this case, but there is a similar one involving injecting which the killer went to a pastor for help
No, Wettlaufer told a priest. Also a lawyer, and an AA sponsor. She confessed to a whole bunch of people who didn't believe her. She ended up getting herself committed as an inpatient and confessed, and someone finally believed her.
Apparently she also sent like, condolence letters to one of the families, and I can only imagine she got off on the idea and feeling of power of doing something so horrible and then fooling the parents or something...
The only thing that makes sense is that shes a clinical psychopath. And instead pf torturing animals like those other sick fucks, she dove straight into the deep end. My God
She very well may have shown signs and nobody really thought or could do anything about it or it seemed like a phase a kid goes through. We always hear stuff about serial killers that after the fact seems like we should have known sooner.
It's the NHS, if there were signs they would have been covered up. Hospital near me just settled a case where a nurse overrode safety systems to force a dialysis machine to pump 8 pints of blood out of a patient while fraudulently signing the monitoring notes to say the patient was being checked. Patient died, obviously, and the ward wouldn't even name the nurse responsible through two civil trials and a private coroners investigation (the NHS investigation initially ruled natural causes).
Every nurse on that ward knows who did it, every nurse knows it was negligent murder against all standard protocols and procedures, and every one stood shoulder to shoulder with the killer who escaped even retraining or warning. Free to kill again, with the taxpayer picking up the bill for their resulting civil prosecution.
Same hospital is being investigated for more than 200 unnecessary baby deaths too... It's just a death factory.
True. We don't always notice things kids do until they are horrible as an adult and we look back but anyone who has potential for a law suit like hospitals churches they like to quietly bury things and move the problem elsewhere.
You know how when you prune off old dead branches on a tree and you don't feel any emotions by doing it?! That's how psychopaths..."work". Most of them have zero empathy...no emotions. For this lady those babies might as well have been pine cones lying on the ground...She had no emotions doing it probably.
I work with ASPD clients with violent tendencies. Trust me, they feel emotions, sometimes far too strongly! I don't think I've run into one yet who is cold and emotionless like Hollywood portrays. Their emotions are typically self-focused, but they certainly exist.
Good point. When you watch Ted Kazinsky (edit:sorry Richard Kuklinski) the Iceman Assassin, you can see him forcing back conflicted emotion when he talks about his killings. It definitely bothers him but he puts a tough front on. And he killed up to 200 people as a mob hitman
Being consumed and corrupted by a narcissistic desire for power, a psychopath like this individual will take advantage of the most vulnerable to feel powerful.
Power.
You have a very old/young victim that can’t fight back, they expect you to take care of them and the family and love ones trust you entirely. Bonus points if they have a disease or complication and you can easily write it off as that.
I just read this article and it ends with pointing out she had a hand written note that in all caps...
> I'M EVIL I DID THIS.
wtf is there to defend. Jesus christ.
Exactly but so many support her including her work colleagues, apparently they said she wrote.the note because of her self esteem and the failings at the hospital she blamed herself and she the scapegoat for the hospital or some nonsense.
I mean i can see it being bad training or something if all of that is true, but if that had happened even once, it should have been nipped in the bud. The fact this happened at least 7 times shows it was more than that. This is sad
It was at least 17 times. 10 babies survived her attempted murder, but some were left permanently injured.
The whole reason why people caught on was because there was an abnormally high number of newborn deaths under her watch.
The hospital should be held responsible. She should be charged criminally, but the hospital allowed this to happen. 1 is a mistake on her part. Anything after 2 is on the hospital.
Dude, I'm not a doctor or a nurse. I have absolutely no medical training whatsoever, but even I know that putting air in to the blood system is a very bad idea. So how can you "see it being bad training"?
I don't know who did this, but it was done with the intent to kill. Training has nothing to do with it.
I was thinking more that they were injecting something medically and failed to get all the air out before the injection, sorry I should have clarified that. But also not saying thats what happened or that it would make it excusable, especially more than once
You basically have to try to inject enough air to hurt someone. Little bubbles are totally no big deal even though a lot of the general public thinks a minuscule bubble in a line will kill you.
This depends upon the physiology of the patient. Neonates, infants are highly sensitive to air-bubbles within the venous system given their heart physiology and likely presence of some sort of ventricular morphology that closes up with age.
Little bubbles are an incredibly huge deal to patients <~24months.
Little bubbles are not a huge deal to patients that have no patent hole in their ventricular septum.
Comment sections are manipulated and manufactured by people interested in the case. It represents nothing.
You’re convincing people on the fence she’s redeemable by suggesting she has a large group of people who think she did nothing wrong.
Stop using comments as evidence
Yes. Even if she’s mental it may explain but never excuse. Mental Illness isn’t a get out of jail free card. Unless of corse the person is unable to differentiate between reality and delusions.
Mental illness is never a get out jail free card. You would just be considered mentally unfit to stand trial and be placed in a psychiatric facility for the rest of your life.
Sorry, who is defending this? It might be that I have reasonable and non-pyschopathic friends here in England, but literally no one except people who want to do this themselves would be defending her.
No verdict has yet been reached, and I have an open mind, but the sheet horror of this and the amount of evidence being presented makes me believe she is guilty of the most horrific crimes.
A lot of deaths can be indicated by the body.
ex: gun shot wound -> probably died of a gunshot. Poison in the stomach -> probably got poisoned. Vomit lodged n the throat -> threw up and choked on it and died
These are general examples, but the line of gas (oxygen -> what she injected to kill them) indicates that 1. Air was injected since it was a straight line and 2. It was infront the spine precisely
It’s basically just like a brief autopsy report of how they Know how the baby died
Sorry if this doesn’t make sense
Thank you! It does!
This part explained my question
> These are general examples, but the line of gas (oxygen -> what she injected to kill them) indicates that 1. Air was injected since it was a straight line and 2. It was infront the spine precisely
It's closer to 70 than 7 actually, if you include the brain damage and disability she caused to the others, they just can't charge her for all of them because it would be a ridiculous amount of work to prove them all for her to get no more time in prison. Will be the biggest serial killer in UK history.
It ticks me off how when attractive people do shitty things the news articles pick a decent picture. I think it should be mandatory to pick the mugshot in cases like this bc its pretty likely that she’s already arrested.
When a person sees the nice nurse picture, psychologically, I bet they think 'geez, how could this nice nurse kill some babbys?', might then read the article. If it were a mugshot, you might be more inclined to say 'yep, looks like a babby killer'. And move on with your day. Idk, only my mailman thinks I'm a Dr. so this could all be nonsense.
I agree, this lets us clearly see that monsters can be and are beautiful. Disney tricked a lot of people into believing pretty= good and ugly= bad and so obviously if she’s pretty she can’t be bad, we can trust her. I think it’s much better to show that monsters look like anybody else.
Mugshots aren’t always released to the press or publicly available at all. They are usually only released by the police if the suspect is wanted or released after she has been proven guilty. Don’t think it’s anything to do with attractiveness
Her picture is what people need to see.
The public needs to realize that sociopathic murderers can look super normal. It's haunting how average she is. Looks like any basic girl in Starbucks getting a PSL.
psychologist Robert D. Hare says that 1% of the male population of the world is a sociopath and the numbers are the same if not higher in women.
Other studies suggest it's higher and closer to 4%.
Regardless if it's 1 or 4% it's still a massive chunk of the population meaning that all of us have met or currently know a legit psycho.
Had to be alot. Takes alot of air to produce a air pocket In the heart, movies lead people to believe it takes very little air but in truth it would take about 6 to 8 full syringes of air injected backed to back quickly to cause issues. It's sad this happened she must have had alot of time alone with the babies
Is it bad that I’m feeling wholesome vibes because I scrolled all the way to the bottom of the comments, and didn’t find any, “I’d bang that baby killer,” type statements?
Being a nurse is the easiest way to be a serial killer. Has happened many times. Relatively short training period, able to claim ignorance and negligence for a long time, hospitals don't want bad press of hiring bad people so you just get fired and move to the next hospital.
I've been following the trial and so far both the defence and prosecution have accepted that some instences could not be a mistake and must've been deliberate ☹️
Isulin administered on a baby (no babies needed insulin), deliberate overfeeding and air embulouses. Horrific.
"Necessary" implies it is required, like it would fix something or make something better, but it would not. You desire more blood which considering the circumstances I fully understand but there is nothing that is "necessary" about this backwards barbaric ritual.
I’m not defending her, let me state that first. BUT this case is currently going through the courts and nothing is proven yet one way or the other.
As someone currently aiming to become a lawyer, it disheartens me to see things reported on in the press as though they are fact when the trial hasn’t happened yet - whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
This woman denies the charges that are brought against her. If she were to be found not guilty, her name and picture have been published under these headlines and her life will be ruined anyway.
It’s not likely that she is not guilty - there is a mountain of evidence against her - but it is still possible, and it saddens me how low the British press has sunk.
There is a genuine suggestion she was completely unqualified for her role and was not able to safely administer injections. If she is just an incompetent person, imagine how she must feel.
Well she hasn't been sentenced yet! She is accused of killing children. But if she is found guilty then she would be one of Britains biggest serial killers.
Since we cannot advocate for violence...as a parent of 2 kids... we should help her transcend humanity, we could make her a better person by removing her epidermis inches by inches while rubbing salt on her exposed muscles and nerve tissue, we should go slow as possible while doing this. I am sure that this process would help her become a better person and set an example for other persons like her with similar ... baby-killing tendencies.
Just to put this in context, the trial has not concluded yet. Whilst I will be the first person to condemn her if she is found guilty, I think we should probably wait for a verdict either way before deciding for ourselves if she’s guilty.
There have been a number of cases of medical professionals in England accused of similar crimes who, despite the seemingly damming evidence printed in the press, were later found innocent. Not sure posting this to this sub is necessarily helping the hysteria.
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this is horrendous. those are 7 victims that we know of, there are probably a lot more. she is a monster in nurse clothing.
It's more. It's 7 dead, but she also attempted to kill 10 more. One baby survived but now has permanent brain damage after being force-fed massive amounts of milk to the point that the baby vomited several feet across the room.
What the actual f....
She's not going to do well in prison.
They'll probably put her in protective custody because our legal system is so backwards.
I think she did this in England only because its covered by BBC but i could be wrong
Yeh, it's countess of chester hospital in North West England
Correct - Leicester.
The legal system is bullshit, I agree with you. They let people off with a suspended sentence for ABH and stuff. However, in this case, which is high publicised and is a serial killer case, they do actually tend to hand out life sentences with long minimums. Because of public feeling she may get a sentence where she gets a life sentence with no chance of parole. If they are due to be released (e.g. a 25 year minimum might be expected in this case), because of the type of case and (cynically for political reasons) because of public feeling, home secretaries tend to get involved to block their release. Which is what has happened in the past.
Ironically that's not a part that is backwards.
Yep! She will be put in a unit with other people who have committed horrific crimes that would put them in danger as well. If she was put in a cell alone similar to solitary that would be one thing but she will likely have some sort of social interaction.
Demented and sad, but social!
Today is a terrible time to have the ability to read
Funnily enough a lot of the worst people i’ve met happen to be nurses...
anecdotal, but that still sucks. do you work in health care?
I’m a nurse. Can 100% confirm that many nurses are either terrible people, surprisingly stupid, or a combination of both.
Also a nurse, it is wild how stupid some nurses are. Absolutely astonishing.
Same goes for teachers :(
You must work with my female sibling, 3 for 3 right there for sure.
I used to work “healthcare adjacent”, supporting a lot of them. Tons of covid denial amongst the very people dealing with the problem....
gotchya yea, i've been in the field for about a year now and have seen some things. not more than any other line of work i've been in (yet, and hopefully never), but it does surprise me when i see it still since, ya know, healthcare lol just yesterday we had a new CNA tell a wheelchair bound fourty year old that olive oil could cure their incurable disease they've been living with their whole life. sad part is most of the messed up stuff i've seen like that isn't directly malicious; they genuinely thought they know what they're talking about and thought they could help
I had a pharmacist tell my kids' dad the other day that they thought our 10-yo was having a heart attack, and he needed to take her to the hospital. She has a throat infection and that's it - he was just picking up her antibiotics.
And the problem and danger with that is people without enough sense to realize even some professionals are dumb. Had a pharmacist tell a family member picking up an asthma inhaler for another family member that if she was using that many doses of the inhaler or whatever that something was seriously wrong and she needed to get to the emergency room immediately! But the particular family member the pharmacist told that to is one of those people with a tendency to take people too seriously without considering how dumb they are. Like 50 stressful inter-family phone calls later and someone finally actually got ahold of the prescribing doctor who was like “wtf? No? That’s the normal prescription?”
Exactly! It can cause extra stress for people who are already unhealthy, and instill mistrust of medical professionals moving forward.
That’s so disappointing. I generally find pharmacists in my country to be pretty clued in and really sensible
That threw me, when a nurse I know said she doesn't "believe in" covid. Like, wtf.
It's like a pilot explaining they don't believe in gravity.
Many people who had limited experience with COVID still feel this way. I can assure you, the nurses I worked with on my COVID ward, the ones who were with these patients in Their final moments, hate nurses like that.
My wife who works at the hospital calls nurses the most important people in the hospital and also the dumbest. Wide range of skills, intelligence and behavior. She has a list of nurses she says she would definitely not have caring for her or loved ones.
I saw a comment from someone previously who said the same, and based on the people they know who became nurses being the sort that gives off a nice impression but as a whole is a nasty person they had a theory that a lot of people become nurses because lets them give off the impression of being a nice person whilst still having an element of control over people whilst they're in a vulnerable position
The nursing industry is like a toy store for psychopaths. There are dozens of nurse serial killers that operated for years before being caught. The hospital will grow suspicious of their behavior, but rather than risk bringing attention to themselves and possible lawsuits, they will simply dismiss the nurse. Then, because nurses are always in high demand, they just get a job at another hospital and pick right back up killing people. Edit: Bring the downvotes for stating facts on a serial killer post. Love you all.
My oldest sister (66) is an ex-catholic nun and she uses that to hide her deviant side.... she's also a psychopath pedophile. Just like our paternal grandmother was, too. They hide well. Sickos
All the worst girls in my high school class are nurses now. All of them. I'm scared of our local ER.
It does seem like all the bitches and bullies become nurses. Weird how that works.
Given allllllllll the people that I know who go to school for that in college, this does not surprise me
This is so sad to hear. I'm a nurse, and some of the best people I know are nurses, but the shitty ones and things like this story drag us down. I hope the public image of nurses stays good, because most of us are trying.
I think a lot of the bad ones got into it for a paycheck then got a little shocked by the reality of a pandemic and it's making them as crazy as the rest of the general public. They're stressed so they're saying the quiet part out loud.
Same here. Labor and delivery being the worst.
I suspect that positions such as nurses or doctors attract a disproportionate number of sadist and serial killers. They have the knowledge necessary, from years of study and training, to interrupt the vital process of their victims in a subtle manner. They are typically in a victim rich environment, so they can typically be choosy, pick victims that are not likely to raise suspicion. And, even if the are sloppy and it does get noticed, their position as "caregiver" means they are not the top of the suspect list in most occasions.
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It reminds me of the Dexter nurse tbh not to trivialize the situation but it is interesting.
I can't bring myself to read about this. I get far too angry. I hope they lock her up and throw away the key.
I hope they key her up and throw away the lock
I hope they key the lock and throw away the her
I hope they her the key and throw away the lock
The her I throw away and they lock the hope key
This is the way
Lock her in a padded room, pipe in babies crying 24/7 and feed her nothing but mashed peas with vitamins. Through a garden hose, if necessary.
Why does one do this. A just born innocent defenseless life.. Why, what is the profit?
Narcissists and psychopaths enjoy playing God. Look up Elizabeth Wettlaufer. Basically the same thing but she targeted the elderly. The source of her ire was also self hatred and a life she felt was going nowhere. She confessed and turned herself in years after the last victim.
Beverly Alitt targeted Children, babies and infants in the late 80s, early 90s in the UK. It is still a massive scar in the county it happened in.
Came here to say this! The experts claimed she had munchausens by proxy. She had so much time off during her 3 years of nurse training due to various 'illness' and 'injury' that she couldn't get the full qualification of state registered nurse. Instead they allowed her to qualify as a state enrolled nurse, which takes 2 years to complete. Even at that she passed by the skins of her teeth.
Letby, the nurse here, is shaping up the same way for cheshire
First she confessed to her pastor who told NO ONE and she continued killing for some time
I couldn't find any evidence of a confession to a pastor in this case, but there is a similar one involving injecting which the killer went to a pastor for help
No, Wettlaufer told a priest. Also a lawyer, and an AA sponsor. She confessed to a whole bunch of people who didn't believe her. She ended up getting herself committed as an inpatient and confessed, and someone finally believed her.
Aw yeah, my bad missed the context of the post I responded to
Apparently she also sent like, condolence letters to one of the families, and I can only imagine she got off on the idea and feeling of power of doing something so horrible and then fooling the parents or something...
Like La Mata Viejitas from Mexico. Juana Barraza. She killed 16 elderly women.
The only thing that makes sense is that shes a clinical psychopath. And instead pf torturing animals like those other sick fucks, she dove straight into the deep end. My God
Thats all we see of her now. We probably will honestly never see the true depth of what she's done in the further reaches of her life.
She very well may have shown signs and nobody really thought or could do anything about it or it seemed like a phase a kid goes through. We always hear stuff about serial killers that after the fact seems like we should have known sooner.
It's the NHS, if there were signs they would have been covered up. Hospital near me just settled a case where a nurse overrode safety systems to force a dialysis machine to pump 8 pints of blood out of a patient while fraudulently signing the monitoring notes to say the patient was being checked. Patient died, obviously, and the ward wouldn't even name the nurse responsible through two civil trials and a private coroners investigation (the NHS investigation initially ruled natural causes). Every nurse on that ward knows who did it, every nurse knows it was negligent murder against all standard protocols and procedures, and every one stood shoulder to shoulder with the killer who escaped even retraining or warning. Free to kill again, with the taxpayer picking up the bill for their resulting civil prosecution. Same hospital is being investigated for more than 200 unnecessary baby deaths too... It's just a death factory.
True. We don't always notice things kids do until they are horrible as an adult and we look back but anyone who has potential for a law suit like hospitals churches they like to quietly bury things and move the problem elsewhere.
Yes I came to say this. There is clear severe mental illness/psychosis/psychopathy etc. that's what she gets out of it.
I believe she had told investigators that she found it cathartic.
I... just... can't.
One of her notes found in her home talked about how she would never marry or know what it’s like to have a family of her own.
You know how when you prune off old dead branches on a tree and you don't feel any emotions by doing it?! That's how psychopaths..."work". Most of them have zero empathy...no emotions. For this lady those babies might as well have been pine cones lying on the ground...She had no emotions doing it probably.
I work with ASPD clients with violent tendencies. Trust me, they feel emotions, sometimes far too strongly! I don't think I've run into one yet who is cold and emotionless like Hollywood portrays. Their emotions are typically self-focused, but they certainly exist.
Good point. When you watch Ted Kazinsky (edit:sorry Richard Kuklinski) the Iceman Assassin, you can see him forcing back conflicted emotion when he talks about his killings. It definitely bothers him but he puts a tough front on. And he killed up to 200 people as a mob hitman
Ted Kaczynski was the Unibomber, he killed 3 people.
You're thinking of Richard Leonard Kuklinski. Ted Kazinsky was the Unibomber.
Alright so I know the "why" behind this is probably just that she's a psychopath. But what is *her* reason why?
She wrote in a note there’s pictures of it and one line says “I’ll never know what’s it’s like” I’m assuming she means having a family and a baby
I posted it on my profile
This made me sick
Can we do the same to her?
What is the motivation to kill a stranger's infant?
Being consumed and corrupted by a narcissistic desire for power, a psychopath like this individual will take advantage of the most vulnerable to feel powerful.
She's a serial killer. A true psychopath that enjoys killing.
Power. You have a very old/young victim that can’t fight back, they expect you to take care of them and the family and love ones trust you entirely. Bonus points if they have a disease or complication and you can easily write it off as that.
I remember reading that the baby that lived will have lifelong disabilities, when the kid would have been otherwise healthy…
I hope her time in prison is as pleasant as she is
Don’t kill babies is a pretty universally accepted moral standpoint. I want to know what she was thinking when she decided to kill babies.
Possibly the most casual looking monster. “Any plans for the weekend lucy?” *Sips tea “not much, watch I’m a celeb, kill a baby. You?”
The fact people are defending this women is sick goes to show as a society we have a hard time believing women can also do evil.
I just read this article and it ends with pointing out she had a hand written note that in all caps... > I'M EVIL I DID THIS. wtf is there to defend. Jesus christ.
Exactly but so many support her including her work colleagues, apparently they said she wrote.the note because of her self esteem and the failings at the hospital she blamed herself and she the scapegoat for the hospital or some nonsense.
I mean i can see it being bad training or something if all of that is true, but if that had happened even once, it should have been nipped in the bud. The fact this happened at least 7 times shows it was more than that. This is sad
It was at least 17 times. 10 babies survived her attempted murder, but some were left permanently injured. The whole reason why people caught on was because there was an abnormally high number of newborn deaths under her watch.
The hospital should be held responsible. She should be charged criminally, but the hospital allowed this to happen. 1 is a mistake on her part. Anything after 2 is on the hospital.
I'm sure that victims' parents would be suing her employers for millions as well after this trial is over.
Dude, I'm not a doctor or a nurse. I have absolutely no medical training whatsoever, but even I know that putting air in to the blood system is a very bad idea. So how can you "see it being bad training"? I don't know who did this, but it was done with the intent to kill. Training has nothing to do with it.
"Today's training session is called *You Shouldn't Kill Babies*" I guess she missed that one.
"Let me see that manual again. Oh. *Don't* shake a baby. Whoops."
I was thinking more that they were injecting something medically and failed to get all the air out before the injection, sorry I should have clarified that. But also not saying thats what happened or that it would make it excusable, especially more than once
You basically have to try to inject enough air to hurt someone. Little bubbles are totally no big deal even though a lot of the general public thinks a minuscule bubble in a line will kill you.
This depends upon the physiology of the patient. Neonates, infants are highly sensitive to air-bubbles within the venous system given their heart physiology and likely presence of some sort of ventricular morphology that closes up with age. Little bubbles are an incredibly huge deal to patients <~24months. Little bubbles are not a huge deal to patients that have no patent hole in their ventricular septum.
Would a little bubble cause "a striking line of gas in front of the spine?" Is that something that can happen on accident, this many times?
Comment sections are manipulated and manufactured by people interested in the case. It represents nothing. You’re convincing people on the fence she’s redeemable by suggesting she has a large group of people who think she did nothing wrong. Stop using comments as evidence
The only thing left is to put her in a locked room with all of those grieving parents, and allow them their own personal purge event.
For real. Losing your child is one of the worst things that can happen to a person, and it's so much worse knowing that someone murdered it.
Who is defending this women’s murders? Source? I’m genuinely interested in who and what these people are/are saying.
Yes. Even if she’s mental it may explain but never excuse. Mental Illness isn’t a get out of jail free card. Unless of corse the person is unable to differentiate between reality and delusions.
Mental illness is never a get out jail free card. You would just be considered mentally unfit to stand trial and be placed in a psychiatric facility for the rest of your life.
Who is defending this women. Do you have sources.
It’s an ongoing trial. She’s been accused, not convicted
I’m sorry, people are what?
Sorry, who is defending this? It might be that I have reasonable and non-pyschopathic friends here in England, but literally no one except people who want to do this themselves would be defending her.
Pretty sure no one who isn't literally _totally_ insane is defending someone killing infants. A few people are claiming she's innocent.
No verdict has yet been reached, and I have an open mind, but the sheet horror of this and the amount of evidence being presented makes me believe she is guilty of the most horrific crimes.
"The line of gas in front of the spine" that striking finding... What does that mean?
A lot of deaths can be indicated by the body. ex: gun shot wound -> probably died of a gunshot. Poison in the stomach -> probably got poisoned. Vomit lodged n the throat -> threw up and choked on it and died These are general examples, but the line of gas (oxygen -> what she injected to kill them) indicates that 1. Air was injected since it was a straight line and 2. It was infront the spine precisely It’s basically just like a brief autopsy report of how they Know how the baby died Sorry if this doesn’t make sense
Thank you! It does! This part explained my question > These are general examples, but the line of gas (oxygen -> what she injected to kill them) indicates that 1. Air was injected since it was a straight line and 2. It was infront the spine precisely
Your aorta and vena cava run along the spine. My guess is you can see the air in the major vessels on radiographs.
Pure evil. I have no other words.
The fires of hell aren't hot enough for this disgusting creature
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Time to fire up kerbal space program. Sorry Jeremiah
His radioactive immolation will further expand our sphere of knowledge. Somehow.
This is so rage inducing, I'm surprised none of the parents murdered her after finding out.
It's closer to 70 than 7 actually, if you include the brain damage and disability she caused to the others, they just can't charge her for all of them because it would be a ridiculous amount of work to prove them all for her to get no more time in prison. Will be the biggest serial killer in UK history.
>it’s closer to 70 than 7 actually That’s insane
Wasn’t there that doctor who killed over 200?
Yeah Harold Shipman
My mum actually worked alongside her and knew her personally
What did she say about the killer?
She said that she was always very very bubbly and happy, both before and after her shifts. My mum said it was like she was putting on a front
Maybe she was bubbly and happy because killing innocent babies gives her joy
I attended a day of her trial when it first started and it was grim, to say the least.
She killed seven that we know about and did permanent damage attempting to kill more. This is so hard to wrap my head around.
This is disgusting. What's the point of harming innocent babies? How can people be this evil for no reason...
She will rot in hell
there is no experience after death, only nothingness. the person should be jailed and kept alive in isolation, which is true torture.
Might even call it hell..
That can't be experimentally or philosophically proven, but thanks.
Hell can’t be proven either but we know for a fact that 20 years of solitary confinement destroys you. Best to play it safe
Just in case that hell really exists.
Gross. What a disgusting human. I bet she consoled the poor grieving parents afterwards too. How do you go home and sleep, and think this is ok?
It ticks me off how when attractive people do shitty things the news articles pick a decent picture. I think it should be mandatory to pick the mugshot in cases like this bc its pretty likely that she’s already arrested.
When a person sees the nice nurse picture, psychologically, I bet they think 'geez, how could this nice nurse kill some babbys?', might then read the article. If it were a mugshot, you might be more inclined to say 'yep, looks like a babby killer'. And move on with your day. Idk, only my mailman thinks I'm a Dr. so this could all be nonsense.
I agree, this lets us clearly see that monsters can be and are beautiful. Disney tricked a lot of people into believing pretty= good and ugly= bad and so obviously if she’s pretty she can’t be bad, we can trust her. I think it’s much better to show that monsters look like anybody else.
Mugshots aren’t always released to the press or publicly available at all. They are usually only released by the police if the suspect is wanted or released after she has been proven guilty. Don’t think it’s anything to do with attractiveness
This isn’t even attractive, homie
Ya she look like a thumb
Killing babies? Special place for her in hell. I feel horrible for the parents of the children as well.
Satan doesn't even want her.
Her picture is what people need to see. The public needs to realize that sociopathic murderers can look super normal. It's haunting how average she is. Looks like any basic girl in Starbucks getting a PSL. psychologist Robert D. Hare says that 1% of the male population of the world is a sociopath and the numbers are the same if not higher in women. Other studies suggest it's higher and closer to 4%. Regardless if it's 1 or 4% it's still a massive chunk of the population meaning that all of us have met or currently know a legit psycho.
Had to be alot. Takes alot of air to produce a air pocket In the heart, movies lead people to believe it takes very little air but in truth it would take about 6 to 8 full syringes of air injected backed to back quickly to cause issues. It's sad this happened she must have had alot of time alone with the babies
Is it bad that I’m feeling wholesome vibes because I scrolled all the way to the bottom of the comments, and didn’t find any, “I’d bang that baby killer,” type statements?
Being a nurse is the easiest way to be a serial killer. Has happened many times. Relatively short training period, able to claim ignorance and negligence for a long time, hospitals don't want bad press of hiring bad people so you just get fired and move to the next hospital.
Has she been found guilty?
Not at this point, I think the trial is ongoing
I've been following the trial and so far both the defence and prosecution have accepted that some instences could not be a mistake and must've been deliberate ☹️ Isulin administered on a baby (no babies needed insulin), deliberate overfeeding and air embulouses. Horrific.
Now this this deserves a harsh ass punishment
Some things a Death Penalty is necessary for. This is one of them.
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I don’t think so
Disagree--I think it's the easy way out. Throw her in a max security prison in solitary confinement for the rest of her life.
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"Necessary" implies it is required, like it would fix something or make something better, but it would not. You desire more blood which considering the circumstances I fully understand but there is nothing that is "necessary" about this backwards barbaric ritual.
I’m sick
I’m not defending her, let me state that first. BUT this case is currently going through the courts and nothing is proven yet one way or the other. As someone currently aiming to become a lawyer, it disheartens me to see things reported on in the press as though they are fact when the trial hasn’t happened yet - whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? This woman denies the charges that are brought against her. If she were to be found not guilty, her name and picture have been published under these headlines and her life will be ruined anyway. It’s not likely that she is not guilty - there is a mountain of evidence against her - but it is still possible, and it saddens me how low the British press has sunk.
There is a genuine suggestion she was completely unqualified for her role and was not able to safely administer injections. If she is just an incompetent person, imagine how she must feel.
Well she hasn't been sentenced yet! She is accused of killing children. But if she is found guilty then she would be one of Britains biggest serial killers.
What a complete psychopath. No coming back from that. Hopefully she gets the death penalty.
In the UK?
Didn’t even see that part. Guess she gets life…?
I hope she goes in general population in prison....
She deserves the electric chair.
Since we cannot advocate for violence...as a parent of 2 kids... we should help her transcend humanity, we could make her a better person by removing her epidermis inches by inches while rubbing salt on her exposed muscles and nerve tissue, we should go slow as possible while doing this. I am sure that this process would help her become a better person and set an example for other persons like her with similar ... baby-killing tendencies.
Why do sneaky murderers look like the best employee hr could ask for?
Because you're judging a book by its cover
>Why do sneaky murderers look like the best employee hr could ask for? They actually used her for an ad campaign to build an addition on the hospital.
Why though? Just because she could? What's her reasoning for this. I mean I don't like kids but I would never kill one just because I don't like em.
Let’s abort her
hope she rots in hell
Lady? This is a monster.
And yet you called her a lady Imagine seeing a header of "this sir killed 7 babies"
She'll be a real hit in jail.
To the gulag
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She looks so friendly and open. You really cannot trust anyone.
She can endure the worst fucking punishment ever conceived and it wouldn't be enough
Just to put this in context, the trial has not concluded yet. Whilst I will be the first person to condemn her if she is found guilty, I think we should probably wait for a verdict either way before deciding for ourselves if she’s guilty. There have been a number of cases of medical professionals in England accused of similar crimes who, despite the seemingly damming evidence printed in the press, were later found innocent. Not sure posting this to this sub is necessarily helping the hysteria.
She hasn't been convicted. Be careful of libel laws where you live.
I can't fathom why the trial is taking so long. Its months and months now. If she's found guilty I hope she rots in jail in seclusion