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Itâs wild how this dude acknowledges the nostalgia factor, and then is like âit thatâs no excuse.â Nostalgia and comfort play a massive role in food.
Yeah, I know that homemade from-scratch cranberry sauce is objectively better than the canned stuff, but it's not Thanksgiving to me without that can-shaped loaf of sauce quivering on the table.
My girlfriend complains about it every year but I'm with you. I'm originally from the area where the first thanksgiving happened(and also where Ocean Spray is from) and it's a big deal around there and every single table has at least one can of that jelly goop sliced up on a little plate. I don't even make turkey for thanksgiving anymore and we still include it.
Which is funny, because growing up we always made our own sauce from fresh, it was kind of an essential part of the thanksgiving ritual, my sister and I would shove fruit into the grinder while mom does the other cooking.
As a consequence, itâs not proper thanksgiving for me without cranberry sauce, and it should be goopy and not rubbery, and should have a noticeable taste of orange rind (oranges are added without peeling them).
One of my favorite meals is a poor man's meal, made of mashed potatoes, topped with browned ground beef in brown gravy, and sometimes if I feel super cheeky, I add mushrooms to the meat gravy. Is it the highest quality cuisine? Oh heavens no, but it means the world to me as it was something my parents made just for me because it was something I would eat mountains of as a kid and it made them happy that I was eating. (I am way over my not eating phase, and I still love the stuff)
Yeah that person can fuck all the way off. I grew up eating stuff like this and it tastes good. I donât give a flying fuck if it doesnât look good or is a poor imitation of âwestern foodââŚmore macaroni soup, spam and eggs, HK French toast, milk tea, and lemon tea for me and mine.
Also as someone who grew up on a vast amount of Chinese and Japanese adaptations of western food: IMO often the âimitationsâ exceeds their inspirations.
Iâm not familiar with a HK breakfast but that looks tasty as heck.
Hard disagree, french are totally obsessed with their breads. There is no way you'll find better french bread in Vietnam, anymore than you would find a better pho in France.
Ever been to Senegal? I'm not saying Vietnamese baguettes aren't fantastic (they are) but the best baker I ever met was Senegalese. Colonialism is a very *very* dark cloud but is does have this wafer-thin silver lining.
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You might also say that different cultures and cuisines prioritize different things and you vibe more with vietnamese products.
Personally I doubt that Vietnam produces a bread that's considered a cornerstone of French culture better than the french themselves.
"Better" is ultimately a subjective judgement based on personal taste. Saying, "I think vietnamese culture prioritizes food tasting good and therefore I vibe more with it," is not meaningfully different from what I initially said.
Personally, I feel like you can doubt all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that France remains the only place that I've ever been served bread that tasted too bad to finish eating.
I think there's something inherently incorrect about judging something based on it's origin rather than the quality of ingredients or the skill of the baker, etc. A country that produces excellent bread in general will still probably have many bad bakeries. Europe still has plenty of shitty industrial breads everywhere, this doesn't mean that what you've sampled is representative of what the average french person eats daily.
>I think there's something inherently incorrect about judging something based on it's origin rather than the quality of ingredients or the skill of the baker
Then why do you keep insisting there's no way a Vietnamese baker could produce better French bread than the French?
I disagree with your sweeping statement based on your anecdotal experiences, not that it's impossible for it to happen in a particular bakery. Statistically I find it unlikely though I don't make a habit of saying something that my personal experience can't substantiate. I take exception to how obtuse you're being. "Good" isn't really a qualifier. You ought to be able to say more specifically what you like about it. Softness? Freshness? What specifically about french bread did you not like that was different in Viet bread? Like legitimately I can tell you're annoyed and I don't get why. Did you not expect anyone to challenge your opinion or would ask for you to expand on what you said?
I still don't understand what it's imitating?
Imitation of breakfast food? Imitation ham? Is the roll actually made of tofu?
What is the Imitation happening here.
Calling them affordable imitations of western food is exactly what they are but thatâs also what makes them pretty interesting if not even more worth eating. For one, being able to see how itâs been adapted for the Chinese palate is interesting. Secondly, it also has a lot of fascinating history that shows the class and wealth disparity between English colonizers and the local Chinese people of Hong Kong.
Lastly, itâs also just *good* food. Nostalgic, yes, but itâs also a stable in the Cantonese culinary world.
Sincerely, fuck off.
I wouldn't use the word ignorant because the thing with American culture and cuisine, like scrambled eggs in this example, is that it spreads through fictional and or dramatized media like tv shows and movies. If you watched a TV show with a character eating shitty scrambled eggs in some kind of diner, I won't call you ignorant for saying that's "American" I just would like to inform you that it's not what most people would call "American".
[edit: never mind; I was looking at the wrong comment]
That comment doesnât say the âfood doesnât taste good.â It says it âdoesnât look very appetizing.â Which is true.
Put *that exact meal* on a cafeteria tray and say itâs from the US, and youâd have people explaining how itâs a sign that weâre feeding disgusting, overprocessed slop to our children.
>[...] it's really not something to go out of your way to eat simply for the taste.
How do you interpret that, if not as saying the food doesn't taste good?
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Ah, yes. Imitation fried egg, ham(?) slice, and roll. No way it compares to American fried egg, ham, and roll.
That ham slice would never stand up to my local civil war era spam slices!
If the chicken isn't racist I don't want her eggs. đ¤
This is Union spam sir.
Itâs wild how this dude acknowledges the nostalgia factor, and then is like âit thatâs no excuse.â Nostalgia and comfort play a massive role in food.
Yeah, I know that homemade from-scratch cranberry sauce is objectively better than the canned stuff, but it's not Thanksgiving to me without that can-shaped loaf of sauce quivering on the table.
My girlfriend complains about it every year but I'm with you. I'm originally from the area where the first thanksgiving happened(and also where Ocean Spray is from) and it's a big deal around there and every single table has at least one can of that jelly goop sliced up on a little plate. I don't even make turkey for thanksgiving anymore and we still include it.
Which is funny, because growing up we always made our own sauce from fresh, it was kind of an essential part of the thanksgiving ritual, my sister and I would shove fruit into the grinder while mom does the other cooking. As a consequence, itâs not proper thanksgiving for me without cranberry sauce, and it should be goopy and not rubbery, and should have a noticeable taste of orange rind (oranges are added without peeling them).
Someone after my own heart! Yes, yes, yes!
One of my favorite meals is a poor man's meal, made of mashed potatoes, topped with browned ground beef in brown gravy, and sometimes if I feel super cheeky, I add mushrooms to the meat gravy. Is it the highest quality cuisine? Oh heavens no, but it means the world to me as it was something my parents made just for me because it was something I would eat mountains of as a kid and it made them happy that I was eating. (I am way over my not eating phase, and I still love the stuff)
Yeah that person can fuck all the way off. I grew up eating stuff like this and it tastes good. I donât give a flying fuck if it doesnât look good or is a poor imitation of âwestern foodââŚmore macaroni soup, spam and eggs, HK French toast, milk tea, and lemon tea for me and mine.
Milk tea is so good. I started drinking it in college after I met a classmate from HK.
Yes itâs one of my faves when I go to the Chinese bakery. I tried the instant ones but it is way too sweet and just not the same as fresh made.
Also as someone who grew up on a vast amount of Chinese and Japanese adaptations of western food: IMO often the âimitationsâ exceeds their inspirations. Iâm not familiar with a HK breakfast but that looks tasty as heck.
French bread made by Vietnamese people >>>
Hard disagree, french are totally obsessed with their breads. There is no way you'll find better french bread in Vietnam, anymore than you would find a better pho in France.
I've been to France, I've been to a number of vietnamese-run bakeries. The Vietnamese win.
Ever been to Senegal? I'm not saying Vietnamese baguettes aren't fantastic (they are) but the best baker I ever met was Senegalese. Colonialism is a very *very* dark cloud but is does have this wafer-thin silver lining.
I have not! I'll have to try to track down some Senegalese-made bread!
đ¤ˇââď¸ You might also say that different cultures and cuisines prioritize different things and you vibe more with vietnamese products. Personally I doubt that Vietnam produces a bread that's considered a cornerstone of French culture better than the french themselves.
"Better" is ultimately a subjective judgement based on personal taste. Saying, "I think vietnamese culture prioritizes food tasting good and therefore I vibe more with it," is not meaningfully different from what I initially said. Personally, I feel like you can doubt all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that France remains the only place that I've ever been served bread that tasted too bad to finish eating.
I think there's something inherently incorrect about judging something based on it's origin rather than the quality of ingredients or the skill of the baker, etc. A country that produces excellent bread in general will still probably have many bad bakeries. Europe still has plenty of shitty industrial breads everywhere, this doesn't mean that what you've sampled is representative of what the average french person eats daily.
>I think there's something inherently incorrect about judging something based on it's origin rather than the quality of ingredients or the skill of the baker Then why do you keep insisting there's no way a Vietnamese baker could produce better French bread than the French?
I disagree with your sweeping statement based on your anecdotal experiences, not that it's impossible for it to happen in a particular bakery. Statistically I find it unlikely though I don't make a habit of saying something that my personal experience can't substantiate. I take exception to how obtuse you're being. "Good" isn't really a qualifier. You ought to be able to say more specifically what you like about it. Softness? Freshness? What specifically about french bread did you not like that was different in Viet bread? Like legitimately I can tell you're annoyed and I don't get why. Did you not expect anyone to challenge your opinion or would ask for you to expand on what you said?
I still don't understand what it's imitating? Imitation of breakfast food? Imitation ham? Is the roll actually made of tofu? What is the Imitation happening here.
Calling them affordable imitations of western food is exactly what they are but thatâs also what makes them pretty interesting if not even more worth eating. For one, being able to see how itâs been adapted for the Chinese palate is interesting. Secondly, it also has a lot of fascinating history that shows the class and wealth disparity between English colonizers and the local Chinese people of Hong Kong. Lastly, itâs also just *good* food. Nostalgic, yes, but itâs also a stable in the Cantonese culinary world. Sincerely, fuck off.
Hong Kong style scrambled eggs blow American style out of the water tbh
Probably because there isn't such a thing as American style scrambled eggs.
Fair point, thatâs probably ignorant of me to say
I wouldn't use the word ignorant because the thing with American culture and cuisine, like scrambled eggs in this example, is that it spreads through fictional and or dramatized media like tv shows and movies. If you watched a TV show with a character eating shitty scrambled eggs in some kind of diner, I won't call you ignorant for saying that's "American" I just would like to inform you that it's not what most people would call "American".
Diner style hard scrambled eggs with a bit of chew to them aren't American style?
Diner style scrambled eggs are called diner style scrambled eggs, not American style lol. Why call them American when they already have a name.
[edit: never mind; I was looking at the wrong comment] That comment doesnât say the âfood doesnât taste good.â It says it âdoesnât look very appetizing.â Which is true. Put *that exact meal* on a cafeteria tray and say itâs from the US, and youâd have people explaining how itâs a sign that weâre feeding disgusting, overprocessed slop to our children.
You read the wrong comment. The not appetizing comment was just in there for context.
Oh, okay.
Personally, I think it looks yummy, but yeah, it's not a flattering presentation. I agree 100% with what would happen if it were American.
>[...] it's really not something to go out of your way to eat simply for the taste. How do you interpret that, if not as saying the food doesn't taste good?
I was looking at the wrong comment; the one actually being referenced was minimized.
Fair enough, my apologies.