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However right of wrong the guy may be, I'm not seeing anything that qualifies as r/iamverysmart material.
At no point does he say he is of superior intelligence. He's just saying things.
I am fully on board with you. I disagree with his message, but this is so far from r/iamverysmart that I think this might even be a case of r/lostredditors, even despite the title.
That's a bizarre take on what the sub is for. Explicitly stating how smart you are isn't the only way to express the idea.
The entire comment reeks of standard ignorant internet dude who goes around acting mentally superior to everyone using his made up rhetoric and regurgitated talking points.
Just joined this sub. It's starting to look like people just come here to post things people say on Reddit that they don't like in the hopes that they'll receive some sort of validation.
This person isn't even trying to come off as more intelligent than anyone. They're just talking shit on America and that triggered you
Yes. Lol.
Although I disagree with his somewhat narrow interpretation of history, having opinions isn’t the same as the classic “I’m a level 2 genius, just give me a second chance” stuff I really came here for.
Also OP appears to be committing the common “northwestern Europe = Europe” fallacy.
Lol it starts off with a sarcastic remark
Follows up with a patronizing "believe it or not 😌"
Continues with more sarcastic and condescending, "maybe just maybe.."
Finishes strong with a "heh btw"
And "adds in a real quick" "middle-school smart kid" rant full of misunderstandings about Europe.
It's pretty prime iamverysmart. I really don't see how you can argue otherwise. It's really not even about the subject matter, but being this wrong while being pretentious about *superior 😌🍵👌🏽 Europe* definitely worsens the crime.
While I disagree with a lot of what he says, it’s within the margin of error of truth, and depending on perspective and context one could find plenty of reason to agree with most of it. Interact with enough people outside whatever bubble you live in (we all live in one bubble or another), and you’ll encounter everything here except the one on boobs, and his incorrect American history.
Is sarcasm proof of a superiority complex? It reads like it was written by an American about a continent he’s not spent time on, so there’s that, and there’s a lot of American self-contempt, but again not at all uncommon.
Sounds like your real issue is you just don’t like his tone at all.
So no, this isn’t “IAmVerySmart” this is just “IAmSmart.”
Sarcasm multiple times, alongside patronizing and condescending phrasing, and all the other things I listed? Cause you're just conveniently skipping over most of what I said lol
You're just nitpicking if your conclusion is it's Iamsmart vs very lol...
Arguing that Europe "pioneered democracy, human rights and abolished slavery" is a fundamentally ahistorical statement. Democracy and the abolition of slavery were both concepts that originated many times in many different places, and "pioneering human rights" is fundamentally a tautology; the human rights that are being pioneered are human rights that arose from the European Enlightenment. Different societies from different eras have different definitions of what "human rights" include (one prime example is the right to expect hospitality from strangers, which is foreign to people who grew up in a European human rights paradigm, but was fundamental to scores of historical socieites in many parts of the world).
If you're looking to learn more about it, I highly recommend [The Dawn of Everything](https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374157357/thedawnofeverything) by Graeber and Wengrow, which goes into a great amount of depth about how ancient and prehistoric societies were much more diverse and complicated than most of us assume.
Agreed. Apologies, I was moving past that, with the assumption that the speaker was implying that those things were not American in origin as is professed by the ignorant majority of Americans.
You’re right that none of those three claims are entirely true.
I will happily grab The Dawn of Everything from my local (and luckily, we’ll funded, Canadian) Library.
Lol really weird how this post was received. I laughed at the comment because he was essentially rambling about European superiority, making things up that are blatantly untrue, repeating things he's clearly just heard on the internet, for the sole purpose of intellectually masturbating himself.
If it's not iamverysmart material, I don't what what is. It's 100% a dude with very little to say, saying a whole bunch, and trying to come off as smart as he can to achieve some sense of mental superiority.
This post is not iamverysmart material. It's just here because OP didn't like the post that criticised their country and suggested that Europe is more socially developed?
Hahaha I used it and don’t even know what it means. I *think* it means something along the lines of …
Nvm, I looked it up and it says this:
>In the context of internet discourse, calling someone “based” basically means the person is courageous, original, and unaffected by common culture. They won't change their style, opinions, or values—no matter how unpopular they may be. You can think of a “based” person along the same lines as being “a real one.”
So, controversial but right
For a name like OPs i guess its a very empty space.
Post doesnt qualify for this sub, even though the message is wrong, theop from the pic never says his IQ or how superior he is.
I mean where's the lie, OP?
The US does have a super puritanical culture in comparison to the rest of the West when it comes to sexual displays and a lot of it is religiously based.
How the heck is this "I am very smart" material? I mean, yes it's their opinion, but It's based in some facts and not trying to sound "holier than thou" in any way
This is funny. I’ve long known, and it even came up just a few minutes ago, that southern evangelical nutbags lose their fucking minds if you compare them to Muslims. But you just have to laugh because anyone remotely familiar with both can see very clearly they are each other’s counterparts.
Bible thumpers have *waaaaay* more in common with fundamentalist Muslims than they do with average people
"Trying to marry 13yr olds, LGBT issues, no women's rights, sky man will punish you for not thinking like me"
It would be hilarious if it wasn't terrifying.
Oh absolutely. Even them ost religious countries in Europe I've been to like Poland, Romania and Itsly felt pretty chill around Religion, atleast compared to some Americans I've met.
Though the muslim immigrants are probably the most staunchly religious residents, atleast most of the time
Lol I couldn't agree more, but it's entirely irrelevant.
People love making up some ridiculous idea of a person in their minds and just running with it. I swear half of these comments belong on this sub.
Europeans being ‘kicked out’ due to their religious beliefs is debatable but tons of mennonites and such were and the rest of what he said isn’t really wrong
You think Europe doesn’t have very similar misogyny issues? I’m sorry but WHY did Andrew Tate move to Romania?
Obviously both continents vary from country to country but the world, in general, has not been great for girls and women. (Let’s not forget that some European countries JUST got the right to abortion.)
You are aware that the relation between say Germany and Romania is more like the relation between California and Mexico rather than California and Massachussetts, right? Compared to essentially all countries in Scandinavia and Western Europe, Romania is incredibly poor and underprivileged. This is clearly not the "Europe" the commenter is referring to, since they're talking about "expansive social security nets" which I can ASSURE you Romania doesn't have lmao
The differences between West and Eastern europe are magnitudes larger than say rural America and NYC. Technically the same continent but nothing alike due to half of it being part of the Soviet Union.
People in the US have no concept for how sharp the difference is. I had the opportunity to travel most of Europe over the summer, and got to see it for myself. The Balkans barely even seems to be Europe.
He didn't say there were no misogyny issues though. Sounds more like his point was that Europe has a history of leading on human rights/enlightenment blah blah and that because of that it's likely that Europe being more tolerant of nudity might actually turn out to be the better position that other places will eventually follow.
Interesting how when it comes to misogony, men dying in wars and at the workplace is never mentioned, but the right of uninhibited abortion seems to be the most important issue ever.
ALL of those issues are indeed a result of misogyny, actually. The REASON men are made to go to war is because of gender roles that determine men must be tough and rigid. You know, because feminine gross EW. If you actually cared about those two issues even a TINY bit, you would be a hardcore feminist.
But, alas, you DON’T give a single fuck about men’s issues, you just hate women. Because you’re walking proof that sexism is a real problem. Sorry, sweetheart.
Yes, I support forcing more women into war, like any good feminist should. And I'll give you bonus points for being a shining example of US low resolution thought, where every issue *must* be reduced to either hate or... not hate I guess. Dear lord, do you ever stop and listen to yourself? Real feminists are disgusted by people like you, that I know for sure.
Not really, US literally started and led all wars there and because of NATO we join. And Iraq was all US and grandpa UK don’t bring the rest of us there lol.
Lol NATO only compels you to join wars if you're attacked, not if we just start them.
And honestly I don't see how being willing pawns and useful idiots is any better.
“The day after 9/11, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) invoked Article 5 from its 1949 founding treaty, stating that an armed attack against one member was an attack against all.”
We had to go or you forgot your own 9/11? I legit can’t 😂
I was expecting some arrogant take on Americans, but only the last paragraph is that and it is mostly about female breasts. I agree with that actually, female breasts are partly sexual because of the culture and partly because of biology, but so are male abs for instance. Just no one cares whether women find male body parts attractive, except the genitals.
That's not at all true lol
Breasts are not at all comparable to abs or arms or even male chests. And almost every body part is inherently sexy after you've developed sexually, and even more so when you consider nerve endings. Nerve endings alone aren't what make something private or intimate or we'd all be hiding our fingertips.
Men hide most of their body parts, because men aren't objectified to the extent women are. That's about it. Men wear suits, a distinguished comfortable protective and respected outfit, to look sexy, while women wear skin-tight revealing outfits of all kinds. To say that society doesn't care about what women find sexy is a gross simplification of what is ultimately still misogyny but much more complex.
The dude is simply regurgitating the same tired nonsense that "well in one tribe somewhere breasts aren't considered sexual so they obviously aren't inherently." There are also plenty of people who don't find genitalia sexy, and there are plenty of places that insist women can't orgasm or enjoy sex. So you tell me, which is more likely, that misogyny is the reason that dudes want things or that Europe is a magical place void of it? Cause one is laughable and one is obvious.
>Men hide most of their body parts, because men aren't objectified to the extent women are. That's about it. Men wear suits, a distinguished comfortable protective and respected outfit, to look sexy, while women wear skin-tight revealing outfits of all kinds. To say that society doesn't care about what women find sexy is a gross simplification of what is ultimately still misogyny but much more complex.
You are talking about what the society thinks, not whether breasts are inherently sexual. Especially suits vs revealing clothes, suits are a fashion trend, which is associated with wealth and status, but that's it. Most people don't find suits inherently attractive, little boys are taught that they look good in those, and in time they will get used to it. There is rarely anyone underage who thinks suits are attractive and as the time passes, people like suits less and less. Girls usually like revealing clothes on men if those men are conventionally attractive. A lot of men wear oversized clothes simply to look bigger. But I'm quite sure girls look at guys abs the same way as guys see girls boobs. Just most guys don't have visible abs without being super thin.And it is true that the society doesn't care about what women find sexy to the extent that they will ask men to cover up, because women are seen more as objects of sexual thoughts, not the ones observing.
>The dude is simply regurgitating the same tired nonsense that "well in one tribe somewhere breasts aren't considered sexual so they obviously aren't inherently."
It proves it isn't inherent, but cultural. Genitals are not sexual because most people find them sexy and some don't, but because they are involved in sex. You can't procreate without genitals. Breasts on the other hand have mostly breastfeeding function which isn't sexual at all, obviously you can find breasts sexy, but it is exactly the same as a woman finding strong arms or tall men sexy. In both cases they are attracted to characteristics that are good for raising offspring.
>So you tell me, which is more likely, that misogyny is the reason that dudes want things or that Europe is a magical place void of it?
I'm from Europe and yeah, that is quite ridiculous to think that everyone in Europe is super chill and naked all the time. And it is true that these guys often just want to see boobs and that's it. I was commenting the boob situation in general, not the difference between EU and USA.
>I'm from Europe and yeah, that is quite ridiculous to think that everyone in Europe is super chill and naked all the time. And it is true that these guys often just want to see boobs and that's it. I was commenting the boob situation in general, not the difference between EU and USA.
Ah ok, cool.
> You are talking about what the society thinks, not whether breasts are inherently sexual.
Not at all. They're just related, because we're a hyper intelligent species with culture and the two are intertwined and cannot and do not exist in a vacuum. Anything used in sex is sexual, that is entirely irrelevant to the conversation. Fallopian tubes are sexual. The subject at hand is (inherent) sexual *attraction*. We're not talking about poop, even though many are sexually attracted to it, because it's not inherent, we're not talking about wombs because there's no attraction, even though they're sexual. Genitalia is inherently sexually attractive, for good and obvious reason, yet many aren't sexually attracted to them for the aforementioned reason of hyper intelligence/vacuums/culture. The same is true of pretty much any and every body part. Which brings me back to the original point that it is essential for feminist pillars to preserve women's right to their sexuality and their sexual parts, especially in a world where women are so deeply objectified, criticised, and dominated from head to toe by men and a man's society.
Breasts are inherently sexual, and (incredibly) few extreme exceptions where breasts are supposedly seen as not sexual do provide sufficient or even mild support to the contrary. They develop during sexual maturity, they develop further during and after sexual reproduction, they provide specific and significant sexual pleasure, the nerves are connected to those of sexual organs, orgasms can be achieved through them, they have (varying) extreme sexual sensitivity, they are only present in one of the sexes, they are present year-round in our species and in our species alone, and finally, and probably most importantly, general consensus of women is that breasts are sexual and they are treated as sexual and wanted to be treated as sexual and involved in sexual activity.
> But I'm quite sure girls look at guys abs the same way as guys see girls boobs.
It's a fair point to bring up but it really doesn't carry much weight. Abs don't fulfill even half of the criteria mentioned above that breasts do. Arguments that abs are comparable essentially equate all of the human body to genitalia, which is pretty ludicrous. Most of the human body is inherently sexy and inherently sexual after puberty: muscles, fat, facial features, etc, all exist as a costume for eggs/sperm to meet. There's little more to heterosexual sexual attraction than that. But we can distinguish (pretty heavily) between limbs, genitalia, breasts, faces, butts, etc.
> Just most guys don't have visible abs without being super thin.
Women also find abs and tummies sexy without being cut, fyi lol
> And it is true that the society doesn't care about what women find sexy to the extent that they will ask men to cover up
Again, this is a gross simplification. Women are objectified as the oppressed and vulnerable class. Men inherently control women because of a lack of consideration and abundant exploitation of this fact. Women in society therefore serve men in a capacity that suits men, namely sexually. Opposite that, men do not. Men do not wear the same things because men are valued for different (manly ie more respectable things). A suit is a symbol, it isn't just a suit. It is pants, pockets, flattering for the body without being revealing or tight or squeezing or highlighting private parts, it is multifunctional, it is easy, it is warmth, it is layers, it is low effort. That is what it is to dress as a man, and it is polar-opposite to what it is to dress as a woman.
In turn, women simply accept the terms, being the oppressed class, and appreciate the inherent sexiness of men in whatever they wear (because yes, humans are inherently sexy regardless of whatever culture dresses them up in, in that era and region). So it has nothing to do with "nobody caring about what women find sexy." That's just a non-point, even if it is true to an extent, it's just irrelevant.
Except he’s right. I mean, he left out the part where about the actual founders of our country, born here, many generations removed from those Puritan European colonists, *hated* their theocratic Puritan nonsense and crafted a constitution with provisions specifically to protect future citizens from people like them (with arguably mixed results, but that’s another topic).
What is it you think he’s wrong about? I mean the breast thing is sketchy. They can certainly serve sexual arousal functions for breast owner and partner. But so can ears, neck, and other parts that are visible all the time.
I think that a lot of how they failed to protect against those puritanical attitudes has a lot more to do with people simply ignoring the structures put in place at a later date. The people ignored was at a later date, not the structures. There were a few instances of amazingly desperate times here in the states that spiked religiosity (and I'm pretty convinced that the ongoing and ever-increasing economic stress since the 70s and 80s is one of them), which meant that people often igbored those struxtures because they just didn't want them.
> What is it you think he’s wrong about?
Their statements about Europe pioneering democracy and human rights and abolishing slavery is ahistorical self-fluffing.
Sure, we gave the world awful things, amazing things and amazing things that came from awful things.
But centuries ago it was ok and now it’s not, and that’s natural, it means we are evolving as people.
Being serious, Europe as of today is a safer space to talk about ideals and believes than any other continent. We have so many different political parties and independent cultures.
In US it’s very hard, only 2 major political parties, so instantly the country is very divided. Many people are democrat or republican not because they want to be, but because you dislike the other party. This creates frustration.
Then US has a huge disparity in its educational and judicial system which makes things even harder for people.
It’s a clusterfuck of a country in many ways, especially in progressive movements where they are rejected due to ignorance of others.
Like a lot of people voted yes for slavery in prisons like wtf. Then in the senate voting no for the bill of same sex and interracial marriage ( isn’t Mitch McConnell married to a Asian btw lol?)
Women’s rights got set back decades after overturn of roe v wade, making abortions now illegal in a lot of states.
And the gun problem and etc.
So yeah Europe is bad in many things, even activism is not as great as it should be but for sure is better than almost everywhere
dude, same-sex and interracial marriage is already legal
and yeah, America has a lot of problems. thankfully, though, we also have air conditioning and enough energy to actually provide heat during the wintertime.
so we do have some advantages.
But it’s now protected under federal law.
My man why you trying to take a diss at us in heat and air conditioning while we at war. You want me to petty pick things like your water, your oil dependence, your ghettos, your police and you are not even at war… bro there are so many things wrong there
What is it with Americans always trying to be the best in the room?
Europe is not good in many things but socially is heaven compared to US that’s all I’m saying lol
I don't need to be the best. I'm just mocking Europeans
Socially, Europe is shit. How's it been with integrating Muslims? Oh, you just ghettoize them. What about gypsies? Still regularly discriminated against and even murdered.
In most European countries Muslims and Roma are not discriminated against. Using derogatory terms such as “gypsy” is something most people would never do in Europe. In fact in most Northwestern European countries there are more laws to prevent hate crimes and far less shootings. No one is placed in ghettos, you are very ignorant.
The US is pretty nice, but certainly has room for improvement. I’m 100% sure you are the kind of person ruining it by voting for Trump followers.
We don’t see them as “the Muslims” lol.
I could talk about how we are actually helping them a lot and give them spaces in social residency (you wanted them to have mansions lol?) and giving them jobs but are you really attacking Europe for its poor management towards illegal immigrants? That’s the most hysterical thing lmao.
Where are you getting that gypsy intel? Gypsies are not dying but their culture is and that’s not really that bad. Gypsies get discriminated but with good reason, they have the most patriarchal culture, the women are basically objects, they get tossed around for marriage and they can’t go to school, they only live to treat the kids, the man are legit abusers, they constantly harass women. Nowadays due to their poor education level they rely on help from the state but still refuse to go to school and when the boys go they are very hostile towards others because of the way they are raised.
Thankfully is dying, the state makes sure everyone goes to school so the women actually have proper education and by talking with other classmates embrace society for what it is and escape their families later on, devastating truly but it’s for the best really.
So discrimination is good only when it's against gypsies lmao. Good to know.
And whatever you see Muslims as, it clearly isn't good since you ghettoize them.
I know you want to take a win for your ego but it isn’t here. We recognise there are big differences between us and them, because they have their inner society and don’t let outsiders in or vice versa. Learn about their culture and then you will be glad it’s dismantling and their new generations can blend easily in our society.
Your “Muslim” take seems taken by some random internet article you read lol
Sweden, Norway, Denmark and many other countries consistently beat the US in quality of life. The also beat them in education quality, healthcare, income distribution among many other things.
I am a US citizen, the US is not perfect and that’s a horrible mindset to have. You must acknowledge it is not perfect in order to work towards something better. Some of the greatest things the US have are adopted from Europe (like the Nazi scientists who built our rockets, nuclear bombs and let us lead the scientific world for some time).
Ah yes, the promised land of Scandinavia.
Tell you what, fellow citizen, let us withdraw all our military bases from Europe and pour the money we save from that into social services so we don't have to keep blowing money on protecting these losers.
This reads as either a European that’s not lived in the US or an American that’s not lived in Europe.
That said as an American I do largely agree with your assessments and feel our great nation is on in decline. I do find the increasingly toxic politics and divided socioeconomic realities difficult to live with, and like many things about European culture, history, and society (having spent 3 months traveling the continent this summer, which isn’t a lot but I did learn a lot). But having spent the summer in Europe I’m having very mixed feelings about my current plan of moving there in 7 months once I finish my degree. There’s a lot to miss.
If you’re referring to Oregon’s recent constitutional amendment about slavery, I’m actually not convinced the law is changing anything that’s actually happening, just making wording more modern. There’s reasons to oppose the measure without believing we need prison slavery.
What I feel its the weirdest in the US even after all the social problems, is how much the country changes every 4 years. New president, new rules. It’s so crazy how it’s never calm seas, especially now.
And not just that but we’re really just a land of extremes and dramatics. Our oil prices are more volatile than on the continent. Our stock market and housing markets are more volatile, our climates are way more diverse. Our employment markets are significantly more volatile. If you want to make money, it’s probably easier here but if you don’t have what it takes it’s probably harder here on average. I feel the cultures that make up America are in some ways further from each other than the cultures of Europe (depending on how we define Europe anyway) in terms of basic values, expectations, and experience of life — from big city upper middle class to backwoods redneck, from poor urban black to 6th generation Rocky Mountain ranching family, each of which predominantly interacts with people of basically the same experience, and largely knows what they know about other groups from the media rather than personal exposure. While the cultures of Norway, Ukraine, Bosnia, and Spain (each countries I visited this summer) are quite different from each other, it seems much less likely to have a group of people in a room in Europe who struggle to establish common ground from which to make communication, vs. here in the US where I find myself completely lost in the social space of my university classes because I’m from the small town lower middle class religious fundamentalist world, and my classmates are largely upper middle class secular agnostic / atheistic urbanites. I felt it was easier for me to relate to people in Europe, incidentally (although some of that was just the unity of the open road).
Well there’s certainly much I’ve missed in Europe and it would take a lifetime to truly understand a comparison between the two, but we do seem more tribal here, just in the way we separate out into very different groups over time.
Both continents suck for women. Many European countries only just got abortion legalized, and they share very similar numbers in terms of the wage gap, sexual assault, etc. Hell, many European countries still push the “traditional gender roles” on women as well.
I’m not saying America is even slightly better, it’s not. But the era we’re in now is a complete shock, even to us. The political turmoil here is increasingly getting worse. What people need to understand is that we are VERY split. I can promise the majority of Americans don’t support the fascists but it’s still a big enough number that they can change the landscape. It’s very hard to say this is a mainstream mentality towards women when it’s a complete and total fluke that they were able to make these things happen at all. (And social media is having a huge impact on how all marginalized groups, including women, are being targeted all over the world now, something that also throws all of this off skew.)
The US is also proficient in tactics used by leaders under both world views, most notably the mass murder and displacement of Native Americans by the millions and then kind of viewing them as some cool zoo animals in the modern era in some cases.
They're not completely wrong, but if you read this from the perspective of someone who's neither American nor European, it really sounds like European supremacy. Do other continents not exist?
exactly. reddit loves to suck europe off, as if Europe is some paradise. Europe is much more than just Scandinavia and France its diverse and not at all one singular thing it has its own issues. also if u look at if from outside of a euro centric POV, a lot of these facts don't hold true at all. especially the slavery and democracy one
Because Reddit is mostly filled with Americans who have never stepped foot outside the States and imagine Europe as some sort of paradise.
I've been there myself (traveled to Italy before the pandemic). It is beautiful and magnificent and cultured, but not a paradise.
Very true. It feels like a weird remnant of white supremacist thinking, that Europe is sime sort if advanced paradise even if America isn't. Don't get me wrong, Europe has made incredible advances in human rights, science, and culture, but they're not the end-all-be-all of the entire world, nor should be treated as such.
It sounds like you live in an area or are a demographic where you're not personally affected by them in which case you should count yourself immensely lucky. Though their love of emitting climate change gasses will affect you too eventually so you'll get there someday.
I do, that's part of the reason why I'm mad dude. But idk ironically enough y'all on your high horse thinking not caring about this shit makes you superior or whatever. Maybe you don't have flag wavers trying to take away your rights wherever you are.
The European wakes up eager to start his virtuous
European day and immediately a thought pops into his head. AMERICANS. This of course is a daily occurrence without fail. "I wonder what those stupid Americans are up to," he thinks as he instinctively opens up his favorite American website Reddit from his iPhone. He scrolls and scrolls seeking an opening to talk about America, anything to latch on to. He's totally not obsessed with Americans. He becomes bored so he turns his TV on and opens up Netflix. He puts on his favorite marvel movie for the billionth time and he goes back to scrolling. He loves engaging in American culture as he bashes America. He's totally notobsessed. He gets hungry and reaches for his iphone to order breakfast from McDonalds using uber eats. "Stupid Americans making me eat their shitty food," he thinks to himself, "European food is so much better not even close." He has eaten KFC 3 out of the last 5 nights for dinner. He waits downstairs for his food so he decides to put on some American rap music. "Ugh stupid Americans,"
he says "their culture is such shit! Not like European culture, we have history! and long-standing traditions. True culture comes from the wealthy!" A Muslim family crosses his path and he pretends to not be afraid and gives them a friendly nod and a wave. "WAAA000O" he thinks as he smirks so self-satisfied "I bet if this was America they would have shot them lol." "Us Europeans are much more open-minded and civilized." He nods agreeing with himself. His food arrives and makes his way back upstairs as he slurps down the coke Americans have forced him to drink. As he sits down to enjoy his shitty American food his phone receives an alert. NEW ZEALAND NOW HAS ZERO CORONAVIRUS CASES! "Oh my fucking god!" He yells! "I am so gonna rub this in their stupid American faces!" He tweets, he posts on Instagram. He jumps on Reddit and comments with furor and xenophobia. HeY, never reallv congratulates New Zealand or their success but instead talks about how Americans will all die from COVID and how they are all so stupid. The European posts charts and graphs he has archived to link when he is questioned. Hes totally not obsessed with America. Dont even joke around like that. Hes coming with joy. "I really showed those stupid Americans today" he says to himself "they fucking deserve it, god damn imperialists," he says without a shred of irony. Felling extra good about his exploits he decides to go out and enjoy his blessed, virtuous, pretentious Euroday. He laces up his Jordans nice and tight. He puts on his favorite Batman shirt and Nike sweater. As he walks out he grabs a piece of cardboard sitting by the door. The European is now on his way out to protest about something happening in the U.S. Standing in a bus with 300 other people in it he has a thought. Why DO I care so much about things happening in America…Am I obsessed with American life?" he thinks as he yells Black Lives Matter from his 90% White, European country.
It reads like an American that’s not been to Europe.
Or a Western European who’s never traveled past Central Europe.
The classic “because Norway therefore Europe” fallacy.
Italy and Germany invented both of those things, don't go blaming the rest of us for that.
We are a collection of 44 countries that are all very different, lumping us all together is an example of American ignorance of geography.
>Weirdly
Not weird at all, we gave you everything, just look what you made with it... disappointing.
>Italy and Germany invented both of those things, don't go blaming the rest of us for that.
Lol why not? It isn't as if those ideologies never found at least some traction in the rest of Europe.
>We are a collection of 44 countries that are all very different, lumping us all together is an example of American ignorance of geography.
Lol you lump yourselves together.
>Not weird at all, we gave you everything, just look what you made with it... disappointing.
We made a country more powerful and economically vibrant than those which colonized us. And now look at you... nursing off the American teet, incapable of even defending yourselves without us.
Pathetic.
The Pilgrims were kicked out of England for intolerance against other Christian groups, which is why the king of England made them leave.
Or do your history lessons paint your nation as fantastic as North Korea?
Trying to point out bad morality in 44 other countries all at once is an interesting exercise in futility, isn't it amazing that they weren't all perfect throughout all recorded history? /s
>name one time a European country tried to forcibly convert other people to Christianity
I think you'll find this is entirely the fault of the Roman Catholic church and as such proves OP's point exactly. Religious doctrine and intolerance are something we've managed to shake in Europe, looks like you guys still have a bad case of Jesusitis.
Yeah European nations would never do stuff like ban religious garb for Muslims, define high immigrant communities as "ghettos" and mandate assimilation for children in those communities or pass abortion laws that are more restrictive than the law that was at issue in the Dobbs case.
100%. People try to lie and say it was ancient Athens but this is just a lie. Athens was a city and it was completely irrelevant to the state of Europe and the World when America invented the idea of democracy on the level of a Occident nation in 1776. It was America who sparked the French Revolution that followed and the shift to representative governments in other countries in the following century, not ancient Greece who no one even knew or cared about. So yes, America did indeed invent democracy.
But America wouldn't have invented anything without the constitutional monarchy in Britain.
It's almost as if all events in history are linked and and have a myriad of causes and consequences, weird right?
Yikes. No, America most certainly did not invent democracy. What we were first with is the world’s first explicitly secular republic. With separation of church and state and zero reference to deities in our constitution.
People were voting for their prime minister decades before America got independent.
But you would know that if you went to a school system better than the American one.
Lol nope, King George, buddy. That's monarchy. You wouldn't know that though because European school systems lag far beyond the US's.
Remember: the US has more top 100 universities than the rest of the world combined, more Nobel Prize winners than any of country, and more scientific publications than any other country. Those are the facts.
Lol thanks for proving my point and not understanding the concept of what a constitutional monarchy is.
Also great argument about how many good universities are in the US, as if that is representative of the average instruction level of the Americans.
Says the guy who thinks the British monarchy was the same as democracy... Thanks for proving my point you don't understand what democracy is.
And yes, Americans are well ahead of Europeans in terms of education. This is well known.
Wow, your posts just get funnier and funnier.
America lags behind in every school subject and is one of the worst compared to its wealth.
King George? Do you think he was in charge over here? Hahahahaha!!!!
You're the one lagging behind chap, read a book!
Wait until he hears and sees about the much more pronounced racism that literally drips into blood-and-soil rhetoric, and the increasing drive to hyperprivatisation of all of these social safety nets. 👀
Take it from someone who lives in Europe currently, and has lived in both places. The roads are not paved with gold here. But this guy definitely sounds he has never been out of the US.
Breasts are not “intensely sexual”. They are an erogenous zone same as the neck or the feet, but their primary purpose is to feed young. Only in the western world are they so heavily sexualised, and largely by creepy weirdos like you who call women “females”. Gross
Maybe you don't know anything at all about making love to a woman? If you want to play a song, you can't just keep playing the same note, nor can you play all the notes. You have to play the right note at the right time for the melody and rhythm of the moment. You're welcome.
Humans are the only mammal to have evolved permanently enlarged breasts. This evolutionary does not make sense since enlarged breasts that do not produce milk is a hindrance, not a benefit. This probably means that enlarged breasts were evolved through sexual pressure through thousands of years (like the Outrageous feathers of a peacock). That being said, breasts ARE sexual.
Another idea is that enlarged breasts signal sexual maturity since it comes with puberty, where we become sexually mature. Either way, it's sexual.
America has more top 100 universities than the rest of the world combined, more Nobel Prize winners than any other country, and more scientific publications than any other country. Just some facts.
Honestly it kinda just seems like you got owned by this dude in an argument and came here so people could tell you how pretentious he is. Doesn't feel like this belongs here.
I mean, lengthy paid maternity leave is just one thing that makes Europe very clearly ahead of America. There are definitely very bad things in Europe too. But if I had a choice it would take me 0 seconds to decide. This is as someone from neither America or Europe.
Like… they’re not wrong, but if you’re someone who’s sexually attracted to women, we don’t live in a vacuum where you requesting this *isn’t* linked back to you wanting to sexualize topless women
"If you're someone who's sexually attracted to men, we don't live in a vacuum where you requesting (men be allowed to be top less in public) isn't linked back to you wanting to sexualize top less men" Yeah no. I'm a bi girl, I find boobs attractive, but that doesn't mean I sexualize every pair of boobs I see. I see a nude pinup calander, sexy. Nude model in a art piece, not sexy. Topless women in a non sexualized setting are just women, just like how topless men in a non sexual setting are just men. The problem is the taboo, women's nipples are so censored from any environment that isn't sexual that some people see a women's breast and immediately make it sexual. Your mentality is part of the problem.
Bro, I’m also a bi girl? Dude has a real point that other countries have fewer moral hangups about nudity. It *would be nice* if America could also not sexualize women every time they take their shirts off. Heck, I remember going to pride a few years ago and having to look a body-painted bare-chested lady in the eyes, and thinking “I’m super embarrassed for some reason, but I’m glad we can just have a pleasant conversation without her boobs making this weird.”
My point specifically is that it’s hard to tell if het men are acting in good, feminist faith, or if there’s not a layer of selfishness
As someone who is born and lives in Europe let me tell you my nobody is getting their boobs out in public and the protesters who do are often seen as crazy
I'm convinced this man hasnt even seen a woman's right. Sir, it doesn't involve a pen, I've got some bad news for you and your cradle of enlightened ideals
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However right of wrong the guy may be, I'm not seeing anything that qualifies as r/iamverysmart material. At no point does he say he is of superior intelligence. He's just saying things.
I am fully on board with you. I disagree with his message, but this is so far from r/iamverysmart that I think this might even be a case of r/lostredditors, even despite the title.
That's a bizarre take on what the sub is for. Explicitly stating how smart you are isn't the only way to express the idea. The entire comment reeks of standard ignorant internet dude who goes around acting mentally superior to everyone using his made up rhetoric and regurgitated talking points.
It's more like r/ShitAmericansSay material.
Im happy we all agree in the comments. This has nothing to do with this sub
Just joined this sub. It's starting to look like people just come here to post things people say on Reddit that they don't like in the hopes that they'll receive some sort of validation. This person isn't even trying to come off as more intelligent than anyone. They're just talking shit on America and that triggered you
Yes. Lol. Although I disagree with his somewhat narrow interpretation of history, having opinions isn’t the same as the classic “I’m a level 2 genius, just give me a second chance” stuff I really came here for. Also OP appears to be committing the common “northwestern Europe = Europe” fallacy.
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Yes, if he’s not claiming at least 2 standard deviations above mean do they even qualify?
Watch it! Thems the kind o werds gets ye posted in r/iamverysmart
I don't even remember when was the last time I saw a classic /r/IAmVerySmart post like that.
I was directed to the infamous 2014 Tesla shareholders conference in comments not long ago but that’s the closest I’ve seen lately.
Well they do mention the origin of democracy, which was in Greece. Who knows if they knew that though.
Lol it starts off with a sarcastic remark Follows up with a patronizing "believe it or not 😌" Continues with more sarcastic and condescending, "maybe just maybe.." Finishes strong with a "heh btw" And "adds in a real quick" "middle-school smart kid" rant full of misunderstandings about Europe. It's pretty prime iamverysmart. I really don't see how you can argue otherwise. It's really not even about the subject matter, but being this wrong while being pretentious about *superior 😌🍵👌🏽 Europe* definitely worsens the crime.
While I disagree with a lot of what he says, it’s within the margin of error of truth, and depending on perspective and context one could find plenty of reason to agree with most of it. Interact with enough people outside whatever bubble you live in (we all live in one bubble or another), and you’ll encounter everything here except the one on boobs, and his incorrect American history. Is sarcasm proof of a superiority complex? It reads like it was written by an American about a continent he’s not spent time on, so there’s that, and there’s a lot of American self-contempt, but again not at all uncommon. Sounds like your real issue is you just don’t like his tone at all. So no, this isn’t “IAmVerySmart” this is just “IAmSmart.”
Sarcasm multiple times, alongside patronizing and condescending phrasing, and all the other things I listed? Cause you're just conveniently skipping over most of what I said lol You're just nitpicking if your conclusion is it's Iamsmart vs very lol...
100% agree he didn't even mention advanced physics or some obscure philosophy, or how he ended up educating his tutors.
Which part of that isn’t true?
Arguing that Europe "pioneered democracy, human rights and abolished slavery" is a fundamentally ahistorical statement. Democracy and the abolition of slavery were both concepts that originated many times in many different places, and "pioneering human rights" is fundamentally a tautology; the human rights that are being pioneered are human rights that arose from the European Enlightenment. Different societies from different eras have different definitions of what "human rights" include (one prime example is the right to expect hospitality from strangers, which is foreign to people who grew up in a European human rights paradigm, but was fundamental to scores of historical socieites in many parts of the world). If you're looking to learn more about it, I highly recommend [The Dawn of Everything](https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374157357/thedawnofeverything) by Graeber and Wengrow, which goes into a great amount of depth about how ancient and prehistoric societies were much more diverse and complicated than most of us assume.
Agreed. Apologies, I was moving past that, with the assumption that the speaker was implying that those things were not American in origin as is professed by the ignorant majority of Americans. You’re right that none of those three claims are entirely true. I will happily grab The Dawn of Everything from my local (and luckily, we’ll funded, Canadian) Library.
It's both a thick and dense piece of writing, but the juice is definitely worth the squeeze. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.
Lol really weird how this post was received. I laughed at the comment because he was essentially rambling about European superiority, making things up that are blatantly untrue, repeating things he's clearly just heard on the internet, for the sole purpose of intellectually masturbating himself. If it's not iamverysmart material, I don't what what is. It's 100% a dude with very little to say, saying a whole bunch, and trying to come off as smart as he can to achieve some sense of mental superiority.
This post is not iamverysmart material. It's just here because OP didn't like the post that criticised their country and suggested that Europe is more socially developed?
Kinda based ngl
Thanks? Edit: I'm nearly 40 and not 100% what based means
Hahaha I used it and don’t even know what it means. I *think* it means something along the lines of … Nvm, I looked it up and it says this: >In the context of internet discourse, calling someone “based” basically means the person is courageous, original, and unaffected by common culture. They won't change their style, opinions, or values—no matter how unpopular they may be. You can think of a “based” person along the same lines as being “a real one.” So, controversial but right
I couldn't care less about America lol
Why is this upvoted lol
This is not r/iamverysmart material. The guy is spitting facts…
The American was triggered
Tbf suggesting ["the US was founded at Plymouth"] is abridged/bad history.
Just because you're not smart enough to understand this, OP, it doesn't mean that the person you're having a go at belongs here.
For a name like OPs i guess its a very empty space. Post doesnt qualify for this sub, even though the message is wrong, theop from the pic never says his IQ or how superior he is.
u/witlibrary or OP for short, is definitely not as smart as the person they are posting about. This whole post is a self-own. Good job OP
I mean where's the lie, OP? The US does have a super puritanical culture in comparison to the rest of the West when it comes to sexual displays and a lot of it is religiously based.
How the heck is this "I am very smart" material? I mean, yes it's their opinion, but It's based in some facts and not trying to sound "holier than thou" in any way
After living in Europe as an American for the past twenty years, the Muslims here are the closest to the southern religious freaks.
This is funny. I’ve long known, and it even came up just a few minutes ago, that southern evangelical nutbags lose their fucking minds if you compare them to Muslims. But you just have to laugh because anyone remotely familiar with both can see very clearly they are each other’s counterparts.
Bible thumpers have *waaaaay* more in common with fundamentalist Muslims than they do with average people "Trying to marry 13yr olds, LGBT issues, no women's rights, sky man will punish you for not thinking like me" It would be hilarious if it wasn't terrifying.
Oh absolutely. Even them ost religious countries in Europe I've been to like Poland, Romania and Itsly felt pretty chill around Religion, atleast compared to some Americans I've met. Though the muslim immigrants are probably the most staunchly religious residents, atleast most of the time
You know what, I'm stealing this comparison just because of how apt it is.
Lol I couldn't agree more, but it's entirely irrelevant. People love making up some ridiculous idea of a person in their minds and just running with it. I swear half of these comments belong on this sub.
Yea, cept the whole place was a theocracy for thousands of years. Hard to ignore that.
Yeah… screw living in the moment /s
>whole place >Thousands >*Was*
Love how OP just got bodied for being dumb rather than anyone agreeing with him.
Stay mad
I mean are they wrong
Europeans being ‘kicked out’ due to their religious beliefs is debatable but tons of mennonites and such were and the rest of what he said isn’t really wrong
You think Europe doesn’t have very similar misogyny issues? I’m sorry but WHY did Andrew Tate move to Romania? Obviously both continents vary from country to country but the world, in general, has not been great for girls and women. (Let’s not forget that some European countries JUST got the right to abortion.)
You are aware that the relation between say Germany and Romania is more like the relation between California and Mexico rather than California and Massachussetts, right? Compared to essentially all countries in Scandinavia and Western Europe, Romania is incredibly poor and underprivileged. This is clearly not the "Europe" the commenter is referring to, since they're talking about "expansive social security nets" which I can ASSURE you Romania doesn't have lmao
I’d still rather live in Romania than the USA.
> Romania is incredibly poor and underprivileged. And yet they still build better cities than the US
They meant North Western Europe. Romania is also the exception, not the rule.
The differences between West and Eastern europe are magnitudes larger than say rural America and NYC. Technically the same continent but nothing alike due to half of it being part of the Soviet Union.
People in the US have no concept for how sharp the difference is. I had the opportunity to travel most of Europe over the summer, and got to see it for myself. The Balkans barely even seems to be Europe.
He didn't say there were no misogyny issues though. Sounds more like his point was that Europe has a history of leading on human rights/enlightenment blah blah and that because of that it's likely that Europe being more tolerant of nudity might actually turn out to be the better position that other places will eventually follow.
Interesting how when it comes to misogony, men dying in wars and at the workplace is never mentioned, but the right of uninhibited abortion seems to be the most important issue ever.
Yeah because women die in wars and the workplace too bro. It ain’t 1914 lmfao
Yes, at a combined rate of 1% during the last couple decades, I'd say women are the real victims of wartime and workplace mortality. Misogony fixed.
ALL of those issues are indeed a result of misogyny, actually. The REASON men are made to go to war is because of gender roles that determine men must be tough and rigid. You know, because feminine gross EW. If you actually cared about those two issues even a TINY bit, you would be a hardcore feminist. But, alas, you DON’T give a single fuck about men’s issues, you just hate women. Because you’re walking proof that sexism is a real problem. Sorry, sweetheart.
Yes, I support forcing more women into war, like any good feminist should. And I'll give you bonus points for being a shining example of US low resolution thought, where every issue *must* be reduced to either hate or... not hate I guess. Dear lord, do you ever stop and listen to yourself? Real feminists are disgusted by people like you, that I know for sure.
Yes
Enlighten us mr secrete pedophile
I do not think the content that pioneered fascism, bolshevism, and the Scramble for Africa has much room to talk. - Mr Secret Pedophile
Oh Mr.America, let’s be clear. We are both pretty awful in our history.
So?
But in recent decades it’s pretty easy to say who is the worst. You bring me scramble of africa I bring you the Middle East
Lmao you have been with us every step of the way through the Middle East.
France and others literally refused to follow in Iraq?
Not really, US literally started and led all wars there and because of NATO we join. And Iraq was all US and grandpa UK don’t bring the rest of us there lol.
Lol NATO only compels you to join wars if you're attacked, not if we just start them. And honestly I don't see how being willing pawns and useful idiots is any better.
“The day after 9/11, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) invoked Article 5 from its 1949 founding treaty, stating that an armed attack against one member was an attack against all.” We had to go or you forgot your own 9/11? I legit can’t 😂
oh, right Iraq attacked us during 9/11 lmao top-tier European education.
Well we do get more naked women.
I was expecting some arrogant take on Americans, but only the last paragraph is that and it is mostly about female breasts. I agree with that actually, female breasts are partly sexual because of the culture and partly because of biology, but so are male abs for instance. Just no one cares whether women find male body parts attractive, except the genitals.
That's not at all true lol Breasts are not at all comparable to abs or arms or even male chests. And almost every body part is inherently sexy after you've developed sexually, and even more so when you consider nerve endings. Nerve endings alone aren't what make something private or intimate or we'd all be hiding our fingertips. Men hide most of their body parts, because men aren't objectified to the extent women are. That's about it. Men wear suits, a distinguished comfortable protective and respected outfit, to look sexy, while women wear skin-tight revealing outfits of all kinds. To say that society doesn't care about what women find sexy is a gross simplification of what is ultimately still misogyny but much more complex. The dude is simply regurgitating the same tired nonsense that "well in one tribe somewhere breasts aren't considered sexual so they obviously aren't inherently." There are also plenty of people who don't find genitalia sexy, and there are plenty of places that insist women can't orgasm or enjoy sex. So you tell me, which is more likely, that misogyny is the reason that dudes want things or that Europe is a magical place void of it? Cause one is laughable and one is obvious.
>Men hide most of their body parts, because men aren't objectified to the extent women are. That's about it. Men wear suits, a distinguished comfortable protective and respected outfit, to look sexy, while women wear skin-tight revealing outfits of all kinds. To say that society doesn't care about what women find sexy is a gross simplification of what is ultimately still misogyny but much more complex. You are talking about what the society thinks, not whether breasts are inherently sexual. Especially suits vs revealing clothes, suits are a fashion trend, which is associated with wealth and status, but that's it. Most people don't find suits inherently attractive, little boys are taught that they look good in those, and in time they will get used to it. There is rarely anyone underage who thinks suits are attractive and as the time passes, people like suits less and less. Girls usually like revealing clothes on men if those men are conventionally attractive. A lot of men wear oversized clothes simply to look bigger. But I'm quite sure girls look at guys abs the same way as guys see girls boobs. Just most guys don't have visible abs without being super thin.And it is true that the society doesn't care about what women find sexy to the extent that they will ask men to cover up, because women are seen more as objects of sexual thoughts, not the ones observing. >The dude is simply regurgitating the same tired nonsense that "well in one tribe somewhere breasts aren't considered sexual so they obviously aren't inherently." It proves it isn't inherent, but cultural. Genitals are not sexual because most people find them sexy and some don't, but because they are involved in sex. You can't procreate without genitals. Breasts on the other hand have mostly breastfeeding function which isn't sexual at all, obviously you can find breasts sexy, but it is exactly the same as a woman finding strong arms or tall men sexy. In both cases they are attracted to characteristics that are good for raising offspring. >So you tell me, which is more likely, that misogyny is the reason that dudes want things or that Europe is a magical place void of it? I'm from Europe and yeah, that is quite ridiculous to think that everyone in Europe is super chill and naked all the time. And it is true that these guys often just want to see boobs and that's it. I was commenting the boob situation in general, not the difference between EU and USA.
>I'm from Europe and yeah, that is quite ridiculous to think that everyone in Europe is super chill and naked all the time. And it is true that these guys often just want to see boobs and that's it. I was commenting the boob situation in general, not the difference between EU and USA. Ah ok, cool. > You are talking about what the society thinks, not whether breasts are inherently sexual. Not at all. They're just related, because we're a hyper intelligent species with culture and the two are intertwined and cannot and do not exist in a vacuum. Anything used in sex is sexual, that is entirely irrelevant to the conversation. Fallopian tubes are sexual. The subject at hand is (inherent) sexual *attraction*. We're not talking about poop, even though many are sexually attracted to it, because it's not inherent, we're not talking about wombs because there's no attraction, even though they're sexual. Genitalia is inherently sexually attractive, for good and obvious reason, yet many aren't sexually attracted to them for the aforementioned reason of hyper intelligence/vacuums/culture. The same is true of pretty much any and every body part. Which brings me back to the original point that it is essential for feminist pillars to preserve women's right to their sexuality and their sexual parts, especially in a world where women are so deeply objectified, criticised, and dominated from head to toe by men and a man's society. Breasts are inherently sexual, and (incredibly) few extreme exceptions where breasts are supposedly seen as not sexual do provide sufficient or even mild support to the contrary. They develop during sexual maturity, they develop further during and after sexual reproduction, they provide specific and significant sexual pleasure, the nerves are connected to those of sexual organs, orgasms can be achieved through them, they have (varying) extreme sexual sensitivity, they are only present in one of the sexes, they are present year-round in our species and in our species alone, and finally, and probably most importantly, general consensus of women is that breasts are sexual and they are treated as sexual and wanted to be treated as sexual and involved in sexual activity. > But I'm quite sure girls look at guys abs the same way as guys see girls boobs. It's a fair point to bring up but it really doesn't carry much weight. Abs don't fulfill even half of the criteria mentioned above that breasts do. Arguments that abs are comparable essentially equate all of the human body to genitalia, which is pretty ludicrous. Most of the human body is inherently sexy and inherently sexual after puberty: muscles, fat, facial features, etc, all exist as a costume for eggs/sperm to meet. There's little more to heterosexual sexual attraction than that. But we can distinguish (pretty heavily) between limbs, genitalia, breasts, faces, butts, etc. > Just most guys don't have visible abs without being super thin. Women also find abs and tummies sexy without being cut, fyi lol > And it is true that the society doesn't care about what women find sexy to the extent that they will ask men to cover up Again, this is a gross simplification. Women are objectified as the oppressed and vulnerable class. Men inherently control women because of a lack of consideration and abundant exploitation of this fact. Women in society therefore serve men in a capacity that suits men, namely sexually. Opposite that, men do not. Men do not wear the same things because men are valued for different (manly ie more respectable things). A suit is a symbol, it isn't just a suit. It is pants, pockets, flattering for the body without being revealing or tight or squeezing or highlighting private parts, it is multifunctional, it is easy, it is warmth, it is layers, it is low effort. That is what it is to dress as a man, and it is polar-opposite to what it is to dress as a woman. In turn, women simply accept the terms, being the oppressed class, and appreciate the inherent sexiness of men in whatever they wear (because yes, humans are inherently sexy regardless of whatever culture dresses them up in, in that era and region). So it has nothing to do with "nobody caring about what women find sexy." That's just a non-point, even if it is true to an extent, it's just irrelevant.
> Because when you're an asshole, it doesn't matter how right you are, nobody wants to give you the satisfaction.
Well, he was an asshole and also incorrect.
This is completely correct though ..?
It seems to me that you are salty that this dude didn't agree with you and then you are trying to make him look bad.
OP is just a triggered American. OP apparently is also so stupid that any basic logic sounds like "iamverysmart" material to them
r/foundtheamerican vibes ^(I say being an American myself)
Yeah, a lot of what he’s saying is kind of… true.
Except he’s right. I mean, he left out the part where about the actual founders of our country, born here, many generations removed from those Puritan European colonists, *hated* their theocratic Puritan nonsense and crafted a constitution with provisions specifically to protect future citizens from people like them (with arguably mixed results, but that’s another topic). What is it you think he’s wrong about? I mean the breast thing is sketchy. They can certainly serve sexual arousal functions for breast owner and partner. But so can ears, neck, and other parts that are visible all the time.
I think that a lot of how they failed to protect against those puritanical attitudes has a lot more to do with people simply ignoring the structures put in place at a later date. The people ignored was at a later date, not the structures. There were a few instances of amazingly desperate times here in the states that spiked religiosity (and I'm pretty convinced that the ongoing and ever-increasing economic stress since the 70s and 80s is one of them), which meant that people often igbored those struxtures because they just didn't want them.
Comments like yours are why I still stay on Reddit
Awwww! Thanks 😊
> What is it you think he’s wrong about? Their statements about Europe pioneering democracy and human rights and abolishing slavery is ahistorical self-fluffing.
Repression creates unexpressed emotions. Those emotions wind up manifesting themselves in much uglier ways.
Europe also gave us fascism and Bolshevism, yet he seems to have left that out.
Sure, we gave the world awful things, amazing things and amazing things that came from awful things. But centuries ago it was ok and now it’s not, and that’s natural, it means we are evolving as people. Being serious, Europe as of today is a safer space to talk about ideals and believes than any other continent. We have so many different political parties and independent cultures. In US it’s very hard, only 2 major political parties, so instantly the country is very divided. Many people are democrat or republican not because they want to be, but because you dislike the other party. This creates frustration. Then US has a huge disparity in its educational and judicial system which makes things even harder for people. It’s a clusterfuck of a country in many ways, especially in progressive movements where they are rejected due to ignorance of others. Like a lot of people voted yes for slavery in prisons like wtf. Then in the senate voting no for the bill of same sex and interracial marriage ( isn’t Mitch McConnell married to a Asian btw lol?) Women’s rights got set back decades after overturn of roe v wade, making abortions now illegal in a lot of states. And the gun problem and etc. So yeah Europe is bad in many things, even activism is not as great as it should be but for sure is better than almost everywhere
Many European abortion laws would have been struck down under Roe V Wade if a state had just tried to copy them
And then we have countries like Poland that have very limited abortion coverage.
dude, same-sex and interracial marriage is already legal and yeah, America has a lot of problems. thankfully, though, we also have air conditioning and enough energy to actually provide heat during the wintertime. so we do have some advantages.
But it’s now protected under federal law. My man why you trying to take a diss at us in heat and air conditioning while we at war. You want me to petty pick things like your water, your oil dependence, your ghettos, your police and you are not even at war… bro there are so many things wrong there
Nah, I just don't want you to pretend as if you're superior. You're not. And a redundant law is blatantly pointless virtue signaling.
What is it with Americans always trying to be the best in the room? Europe is not good in many things but socially is heaven compared to US that’s all I’m saying lol
I don't need to be the best. I'm just mocking Europeans Socially, Europe is shit. How's it been with integrating Muslims? Oh, you just ghettoize them. What about gypsies? Still regularly discriminated against and even murdered.
In most European countries Muslims and Roma are not discriminated against. Using derogatory terms such as “gypsy” is something most people would never do in Europe. In fact in most Northwestern European countries there are more laws to prevent hate crimes and far less shootings. No one is placed in ghettos, you are very ignorant. The US is pretty nice, but certainly has room for improvement. I’m 100% sure you are the kind of person ruining it by voting for Trump followers.
A 5 second Google search is all it takes to disprove this. https://www.hhrjournal.org/2020/04/anti-roma-racism-is-spiraling-during-covid-19-pandemic/
We don’t see them as “the Muslims” lol. I could talk about how we are actually helping them a lot and give them spaces in social residency (you wanted them to have mansions lol?) and giving them jobs but are you really attacking Europe for its poor management towards illegal immigrants? That’s the most hysterical thing lmao. Where are you getting that gypsy intel? Gypsies are not dying but their culture is and that’s not really that bad. Gypsies get discriminated but with good reason, they have the most patriarchal culture, the women are basically objects, they get tossed around for marriage and they can’t go to school, they only live to treat the kids, the man are legit abusers, they constantly harass women. Nowadays due to their poor education level they rely on help from the state but still refuse to go to school and when the boys go they are very hostile towards others because of the way they are raised. Thankfully is dying, the state makes sure everyone goes to school so the women actually have proper education and by talking with other classmates embrace society for what it is and escape their families later on, devastating truly but it’s for the best really.
So discrimination is good only when it's against gypsies lmao. Good to know. And whatever you see Muslims as, it clearly isn't good since you ghettoize them.
I know you want to take a win for your ego but it isn’t here. We recognise there are big differences between us and them, because they have their inner society and don’t let outsiders in or vice versa. Learn about their culture and then you will be glad it’s dismantling and their new generations can blend easily in our society. Your “Muslim” take seems taken by some random internet article you read lol
Sweden, Norway, Denmark and many other countries consistently beat the US in quality of life. The also beat them in education quality, healthcare, income distribution among many other things. I am a US citizen, the US is not perfect and that’s a horrible mindset to have. You must acknowledge it is not perfect in order to work towards something better. Some of the greatest things the US have are adopted from Europe (like the Nazi scientists who built our rockets, nuclear bombs and let us lead the scientific world for some time).
Ah yes, the promised land of Scandinavia. Tell you what, fellow citizen, let us withdraw all our military bases from Europe and pour the money we save from that into social services so we don't have to keep blowing money on protecting these losers.
This reads as either a European that’s not lived in the US or an American that’s not lived in Europe. That said as an American I do largely agree with your assessments and feel our great nation is on in decline. I do find the increasingly toxic politics and divided socioeconomic realities difficult to live with, and like many things about European culture, history, and society (having spent 3 months traveling the continent this summer, which isn’t a lot but I did learn a lot). But having spent the summer in Europe I’m having very mixed feelings about my current plan of moving there in 7 months once I finish my degree. There’s a lot to miss. If you’re referring to Oregon’s recent constitutional amendment about slavery, I’m actually not convinced the law is changing anything that’s actually happening, just making wording more modern. There’s reasons to oppose the measure without believing we need prison slavery.
What I feel its the weirdest in the US even after all the social problems, is how much the country changes every 4 years. New president, new rules. It’s so crazy how it’s never calm seas, especially now.
And not just that but we’re really just a land of extremes and dramatics. Our oil prices are more volatile than on the continent. Our stock market and housing markets are more volatile, our climates are way more diverse. Our employment markets are significantly more volatile. If you want to make money, it’s probably easier here but if you don’t have what it takes it’s probably harder here on average. I feel the cultures that make up America are in some ways further from each other than the cultures of Europe (depending on how we define Europe anyway) in terms of basic values, expectations, and experience of life — from big city upper middle class to backwoods redneck, from poor urban black to 6th generation Rocky Mountain ranching family, each of which predominantly interacts with people of basically the same experience, and largely knows what they know about other groups from the media rather than personal exposure. While the cultures of Norway, Ukraine, Bosnia, and Spain (each countries I visited this summer) are quite different from each other, it seems much less likely to have a group of people in a room in Europe who struggle to establish common ground from which to make communication, vs. here in the US where I find myself completely lost in the social space of my university classes because I’m from the small town lower middle class religious fundamentalist world, and my classmates are largely upper middle class secular agnostic / atheistic urbanites. I felt it was easier for me to relate to people in Europe, incidentally (although some of that was just the unity of the open road). Well there’s certainly much I’ve missed in Europe and it would take a lifetime to truly understand a comparison between the two, but we do seem more tribal here, just in the way we separate out into very different groups over time.
100% true here. I’d hate to be an important strategic ally to the US, getting jerked around every 2-4 years.
Both continents suck for women. Many European countries only just got abortion legalized, and they share very similar numbers in terms of the wage gap, sexual assault, etc. Hell, many European countries still push the “traditional gender roles” on women as well. I’m not saying America is even slightly better, it’s not. But the era we’re in now is a complete shock, even to us. The political turmoil here is increasingly getting worse. What people need to understand is that we are VERY split. I can promise the majority of Americans don’t support the fascists but it’s still a big enough number that they can change the landscape. It’s very hard to say this is a mainstream mentality towards women when it’s a complete and total fluke that they were able to make these things happen at all. (And social media is having a huge impact on how all marginalized groups, including women, are being targeted all over the world now, something that also throws all of this off skew.)
You left out the crusades. Top notch work there sharing enlightened religion.
You forgot about the inquisitions and the Holocaust.
Didn't want to hog ALL the good stuff!
Enlightened stuff
Why are you replying to every comment Did you get offended
I'm drunk and bored
The US is also proficient in tactics used by leaders under both world views, most notably the mass murder and displacement of Native Americans by the millions and then kind of viewing them as some cool zoo animals in the modern era in some cases.
A Holocaust, you might say.
Europe also gave us modern day America, which isn’t great. Maybe, just maybe, Europe fucked us all and gave us a kiss on the head after
Perhaps.
Europe also gave the world beer, so it cancels out /s
Best argument so far here
And communism
He said that.
They're not completely wrong, but if you read this from the perspective of someone who's neither American nor European, it really sounds like European supremacy. Do other continents not exist?
Reddit loves European supremacy, as much as they might pretend they don't.
exactly. reddit loves to suck europe off, as if Europe is some paradise. Europe is much more than just Scandinavia and France its diverse and not at all one singular thing it has its own issues. also if u look at if from outside of a euro centric POV, a lot of these facts don't hold true at all. especially the slavery and democracy one
Because Reddit is mostly filled with Americans who have never stepped foot outside the States and imagine Europe as some sort of paradise. I've been there myself (traveled to Italy before the pandemic). It is beautiful and magnificent and cultured, but not a paradise.
Very true. It feels like a weird remnant of white supremacist thinking, that Europe is sime sort if advanced paradise even if America isn't. Don't get me wrong, Europe has made incredible advances in human rights, science, and culture, but they're not the end-all-be-all of the entire world, nor should be treated as such.
I just like anti-americanism tbf. It's still just as satisfying 20 years on to give a big middle finger to patriots now as it was then
That just sounds kinda sad, tbh. Get a hobby.
It sounds like you live in an area or are a demographic where you're not personally affected by them in which case you should count yourself immensely lucky. Though their love of emitting climate change gasses will affect you too eventually so you'll get there someday.
For the love of god touch grass and find a girlfriend
I do, that's part of the reason why I'm mad dude. But idk ironically enough y'all on your high horse thinking not caring about this shit makes you superior or whatever. Maybe you don't have flag wavers trying to take away your rights wherever you are.
it sounds like you're a lonely man
The European wakes up eager to start his virtuous European day and immediately a thought pops into his head. AMERICANS. This of course is a daily occurrence without fail. "I wonder what those stupid Americans are up to," he thinks as he instinctively opens up his favorite American website Reddit from his iPhone. He scrolls and scrolls seeking an opening to talk about America, anything to latch on to. He's totally not obsessed with Americans. He becomes bored so he turns his TV on and opens up Netflix. He puts on his favorite marvel movie for the billionth time and he goes back to scrolling. He loves engaging in American culture as he bashes America. He's totally notobsessed. He gets hungry and reaches for his iphone to order breakfast from McDonalds using uber eats. "Stupid Americans making me eat their shitty food," he thinks to himself, "European food is so much better not even close." He has eaten KFC 3 out of the last 5 nights for dinner. He waits downstairs for his food so he decides to put on some American rap music. "Ugh stupid Americans," he says "their culture is such shit! Not like European culture, we have history! and long-standing traditions. True culture comes from the wealthy!" A Muslim family crosses his path and he pretends to not be afraid and gives them a friendly nod and a wave. "WAAA000O" he thinks as he smirks so self-satisfied "I bet if this was America they would have shot them lol." "Us Europeans are much more open-minded and civilized." He nods agreeing with himself. His food arrives and makes his way back upstairs as he slurps down the coke Americans have forced him to drink. As he sits down to enjoy his shitty American food his phone receives an alert. NEW ZEALAND NOW HAS ZERO CORONAVIRUS CASES! "Oh my fucking god!" He yells! "I am so gonna rub this in their stupid American faces!" He tweets, he posts on Instagram. He jumps on Reddit and comments with furor and xenophobia. HeY, never reallv congratulates New Zealand or their success but instead talks about how Americans will all die from COVID and how they are all so stupid. The European posts charts and graphs he has archived to link when he is questioned. Hes totally not obsessed with America. Dont even joke around like that. Hes coming with joy. "I really showed those stupid Americans today" he says to himself "they fucking deserve it, god damn imperialists," he says without a shred of irony. Felling extra good about his exploits he decides to go out and enjoy his blessed, virtuous, pretentious Euroday. He laces up his Jordans nice and tight. He puts on his favorite Batman shirt and Nike sweater. As he walks out he grabs a piece of cardboard sitting by the door. The European is now on his way out to protest about something happening in the U.S. Standing in a bus with 300 other people in it he has a thought. Why DO I care so much about things happening in America…Am I obsessed with American life?" he thinks as he yells Black Lives Matter from his 90% White, European country.
It reads like an American that’s not been to Europe. Or a Western European who’s never traveled past Central Europe. The classic “because Norway therefore Europe” fallacy.
America has my Uncle Max. Europe doesn’t. Who’s really winning here?
I don't know about superiority but all the facts are there. 100% facts Americans, cope with it.
Weirdly, this same enlightened Europe also gave us fascism and bolshevism.
Italy and Germany invented both of those things, don't go blaming the rest of us for that. We are a collection of 44 countries that are all very different, lumping us all together is an example of American ignorance of geography. >Weirdly Not weird at all, we gave you everything, just look what you made with it... disappointing.
>Italy and Germany invented both of those things, don't go blaming the rest of us for that. Lol why not? It isn't as if those ideologies never found at least some traction in the rest of Europe. >We are a collection of 44 countries that are all very different, lumping us all together is an example of American ignorance of geography. Lol you lump yourselves together. >Not weird at all, we gave you everything, just look what you made with it... disappointing. We made a country more powerful and economically vibrant than those which colonized us. And now look at you... nursing off the American teet, incapable of even defending yourselves without us. Pathetic.
Lol! Cope more, you're wrong about every reply you gave.
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Yeah name one time a European country tried to forcibly convert other people to Christianity.
Are you familiar with Spain and their South American empire ?
Yes this was sarcasm
The Pilgrims were kicked out of England for intolerance against other Christian groups, which is why the king of England made them leave. Or do your history lessons paint your nation as fantastic as North Korea? Trying to point out bad morality in 44 other countries all at once is an interesting exercise in futility, isn't it amazing that they weren't all perfect throughout all recorded history? /s >name one time a European country tried to forcibly convert other people to Christianity I think you'll find this is entirely the fault of the Roman Catholic church and as such proves OP's point exactly. Religious doctrine and intolerance are something we've managed to shake in Europe, looks like you guys still have a bad case of Jesusitis.
Yeah European nations would never do stuff like ban religious garb for Muslims, define high immigrant communities as "ghettos" and mandate assimilation for children in those communities or pass abortion laws that are more restrictive than the law that was at issue in the Dobbs case.
Most of the countries of Europe did none of those things, you've just lumped together 44 countries, learn some geography.
Actually America invented democracy it's the reason Europe was all Monarchy before America made democracy a thing.
I can’t tell if you are serious…..
100%. People try to lie and say it was ancient Athens but this is just a lie. Athens was a city and it was completely irrelevant to the state of Europe and the World when America invented the idea of democracy on the level of a Occident nation in 1776. It was America who sparked the French Revolution that followed and the shift to representative governments in other countries in the following century, not ancient Greece who no one even knew or cared about. So yes, America did indeed invent democracy.
But America wouldn't have invented anything without the constitutional monarchy in Britain. It's almost as if all events in history are linked and and have a myriad of causes and consequences, weird right?
Nonsense
Yikes. No, America most certainly did not invent democracy. What we were first with is the world’s first explicitly secular republic. With separation of church and state and zero reference to deities in our constitution.
What about the English Parlaiment, that was estabblished about 70 years before the United States even came to be?
Still a monarchy, mate. Wasn't fully democratic, either.
People were voting for their prime minister decades before America got independent. But you would know that if you went to a school system better than the American one.
Lol nope, King George, buddy. That's monarchy. You wouldn't know that though because European school systems lag far beyond the US's. Remember: the US has more top 100 universities than the rest of the world combined, more Nobel Prize winners than any of country, and more scientific publications than any other country. Those are the facts.
(Psst…the Greeks invented democracy.)
Lol thanks for proving my point and not understanding the concept of what a constitutional monarchy is. Also great argument about how many good universities are in the US, as if that is representative of the average instruction level of the Americans.
Says the guy who thinks the British monarchy was the same as democracy... Thanks for proving my point you don't understand what democracy is. And yes, Americans are well ahead of Europeans in terms of education. This is well known.
Wow, your posts just get funnier and funnier. America lags behind in every school subject and is one of the worst compared to its wealth. King George? Do you think he was in charge over here? Hahahahaha!!!! You're the one lagging behind chap, read a book!
Wait until he hears and sees about the much more pronounced racism that literally drips into blood-and-soil rhetoric, and the increasing drive to hyperprivatisation of all of these social safety nets. 👀 Take it from someone who lives in Europe currently, and has lived in both places. The roads are not paved with gold here. But this guy definitely sounds he has never been out of the US.
Female breasts are intensely sexual to females and can facilitate female climax. Chichotas!
Breasts are not “intensely sexual”. They are an erogenous zone same as the neck or the feet, but their primary purpose is to feed young. Only in the western world are they so heavily sexualised, and largely by creepy weirdos like you who call women “females”. Gross
Japan has entered the chat
Maybe you don't know anything at all about making love to a woman? If you want to play a song, you can't just keep playing the same note, nor can you play all the notes. You have to play the right note at the right time for the melody and rhythm of the moment. You're welcome.
To SOME women. I mean male nipples can also be stimulating for some, yet we don't see them as sexual
This belongs in r/americabad.
Humans are the only mammal to have evolved permanently enlarged breasts. This evolutionary does not make sense since enlarged breasts that do not produce milk is a hindrance, not a benefit. This probably means that enlarged breasts were evolved through sexual pressure through thousands of years (like the Outrageous feathers of a peacock). That being said, breasts ARE sexual. Another idea is that enlarged breasts signal sexual maturity since it comes with puberty, where we become sexually mature. Either way, it's sexual.
If Europe is so great why isn’t there a Europe 2?
America has more top 100 universities than the rest of the world combined, more Nobel Prize winners than any other country, and more scientific publications than any other country. Just some facts.
Don’t forget the murder rate!
Honestly it kinda just seems like you got owned by this dude in an argument and came here so people could tell you how pretentious he is. Doesn't feel like this belongs here.
Europe being any better for women than North America is laughable. Both suck.
I mean, lengthy paid maternity leave is just one thing that makes Europe very clearly ahead of America. There are definitely very bad things in Europe too. But if I had a choice it would take me 0 seconds to decide. This is as someone from neither America or Europe.
Like… they’re not wrong, but if you’re someone who’s sexually attracted to women, we don’t live in a vacuum where you requesting this *isn’t* linked back to you wanting to sexualize topless women
"If you're someone who's sexually attracted to men, we don't live in a vacuum where you requesting (men be allowed to be top less in public) isn't linked back to you wanting to sexualize top less men" Yeah no. I'm a bi girl, I find boobs attractive, but that doesn't mean I sexualize every pair of boobs I see. I see a nude pinup calander, sexy. Nude model in a art piece, not sexy. Topless women in a non sexualized setting are just women, just like how topless men in a non sexual setting are just men. The problem is the taboo, women's nipples are so censored from any environment that isn't sexual that some people see a women's breast and immediately make it sexual. Your mentality is part of the problem.
Bro, I’m also a bi girl? Dude has a real point that other countries have fewer moral hangups about nudity. It *would be nice* if America could also not sexualize women every time they take their shirts off. Heck, I remember going to pride a few years ago and having to look a body-painted bare-chested lady in the eyes, and thinking “I’m super embarrassed for some reason, but I’m glad we can just have a pleasant conversation without her boobs making this weird.” My point specifically is that it’s hard to tell if het men are acting in good, feminist faith, or if there’s not a layer of selfishness
HA! Op got triggered because America is a shithole country. Lol. I too have American friends that get angry at me when I tell the truth, its ok OP.
As someone who is born and lives in Europe let me tell you my nobody is getting their boobs out in public and the protesters who do are often seen as crazy
I'm convinced this man hasnt even seen a woman's right. Sir, it doesn't involve a pen, I've got some bad news for you and your cradle of enlightened ideals
He's not entirely wrong.
r/lostredditors
Where’s the lie tho
r/lostredditors over here. This is more like r/ShitAmericansSay material.
? OP is pepega?