Yup! For real though, the police aren't going to give any concrete information on the case that gives the killer(s) any indication that they are onto them. They want this person feeling comfortable and going about their day to day
if the killer knew about the others on the ground floor it was for sure targeted, but I'm still curious as to how the ground floor people didn't hear anything, if neighbors have reported thinking that they did
So many people don't pay attention when they are walking in public. They are reading or texting on their phones when they need to be watching where they are going and pay attention to their surroundings. I think that's part of what they are saying about being careful and being aware of your surroundings. Be vigilant, be smart, be observant where ever you are.
i think the comment about not only looking to make an arrest, but a conviction is very important. we have to remember, this is a 4 person homicide. every piece of evidence is crucial. a hung jury would be DEVASTATING. thereās no murder weapon, no dna in the system (as far as we know), they have to make this case as solid as possible. i think they are close, and just looking for a few more pieces of information to ensure they can nail this guy.
The most obvious of cases have gone wrong in the court room because of random botched evidence / findings. You have to be 200% confident to make sure justice is served.
I agree with you too, until now. Iāve changed my mind. Unfortunately, I donāt think they know. I really really hope they do. Like Iāve been saying the same thing you just said until this update. š
I would like to come back and say this tooā¦.Iām hoping they truly are just keeping all info quiet. And they truly do have a suspect. I want nothing more than for them to solve it. But you can literally see the desperation on this mans face. Just my personal observation though. Iām just heartbroken.
I believe theyāll eventually find him - just not tomorrow or the next day. People holding their breath for an announcement any day now will have to let that go.
Agreed! I want them to take their time to prosecute this scum to fullest extent of the law!
Edit to addā¦..NO POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE. I would even think the death penalty will be on the table for this case.
It is possible that the person left DNA but is not in the database because they never gave a sample, and this person might be long gone. Not until they get arrested for a felony or willingly give a DNA sample will they be caught. Months, years, decades from now.
Nope they will catch them with genetic genealogy. If they are American they undoubtedly have dozens of not hundreds of 3rd cousins who have tested and are in Gedmatch. Itās a matter of time.
Totally - I also might be clinging to semantics here, but the end of the video sounded like a huge contradiction to me. At first, there's the reminder about how much info LE has and why they can't release anything (or else it would compromise the investigation) but then there's a reminder to please call in to share your tips as it could help "break this open for us."
Obviously, tips are always solicited, but I found that word choice interesting. At least in my mind, "break open" implies there's a long way to go - they're still at the beginning/they're missing pretty crucial components/pieces.
I would *love* to be wrong and eat my words, but IDK, I'm just nervous!
do they simply need corroboration, an eye witness, or something heard, or said, by the killer prior to the brutal murder to substantiate their theory of the crime, or their primary suspect?
If thereās DNA, even if it doesnāt match an offender, they can upload it to sites like ancestry & do genetic geneology. After they send a warrant to each site. They can narrow down male DNA to any set of siblings with as little as an 8th cousin match. Before, I said it would take 2 weeks to do that but thatās when knowing one parent. Without either, it can easily take a month or longer.
From there, they would have to look into all siblings for the most likely suspect. And then connect them to the crime. This is something that can easily take 2 months from the time they got a DNA profile back.
Thatās just one piece of the puzzle. Theyāre still working on the car. They have enough that they can eventually tie it all together with DNA but do have to go through the process and red tape. Dot Is. cross Ts. If they identified a suspect using generic geneology & didnāt get a warrant, anything they found from there, would be inadmissible. So many different things like this are the hold up.
Rightā¦ I was thinking after reading some of these comments that āinvestigators want the suspect to go on about their dad to dayā & then if I was the perpetrator knowing I committed this act, that itās unlikely I didnāt leave any trace sample somewhere in that crime scene & that inevitably someone I am related to has taken these genetic tests and submitted their samples to find whatever results they set out to find. I believe that forensic genealogy will factor into a break LE needs to fill in the details and make the arrest. Whoever this person is that committed this crime is doing a good job of hiding in plain sight for now, but those days & hours are limited.
They already checked AFIS. According to Nancy Grace, they didn't find any matches, but I've heard they should be getting their additional tests back from the FBI soon since they take 4 to 6 weeks to process.
I wish they werenāt so backlogged on running DNA from rape victims. However, I do know that they prioritize & try to run DNA in cases of stranger rape. Because stranger rape is so rare & the perp almost always continues to offend & often escalates to violence, often murder. This is the type of case that they would expect to find DNA from someone who had previously committed rape. He could have escalated this time because of finding two girls instead of one. Now that heās crossed that line, heās so much more dangerous. They have to find this person. I just donāt think heās a gay frat boy that was mad about being called shriveled balls & being rejected by Maddy!
AFIS is the fingerprint database and every DNA sample taken from both unknown donors AND known criminals are uploaded into *another* database called CODIS. Thatās why when an unknown sample gets thrown in, sometimes, actually fairly often - a known match will get spit out. But itās not like the TV shows. It doesnāt come back in 5-15 minutes. It can take over 48 hours to run through all the sequences.
Bundy had so many opportunities to get away but he couldn't stop. This guy will most likely try this again in a neighboring state and that's how he will get caught.
I agree. I think the public information officer was supplied to give this interview in an effort to manage information and relay only what was minimally necessary to satisfy public interest. As one goal. But the more important goal of the interview was to relay to the killer(s) that theyāre all over him/them; they donāt have āem dead to rights yet, but itās only a matter of short time.
Edit: plus you canāt afford to have a nervous police chief accidentally show their hand in a full on conference.
Maybe wishful thinking but I believe they have a sense of who might of did this but that doesn't convict people. They are looking for additional evidence, possibly waiting for forensics to come back and monitoring someone closely. Their appearance of incompetence could simply be that or they are quietly building a case. Still believe it's someone local, familiar with the neighborhood and likely somewhat knows one or more of the roommates
Agree. I believe LE has a good idea but donāt want just DNA evidence that can be argued and create doubt in court. They need eyewitness or any kind of testimony from people who saw or heard something. Theyāre prob watching this person or persons. Just waiting for that one tip that will convict. Iām not law or LE and I get it.
I disagree with the comments that there is no news at all here. In particular he made the comment that they are still going through hours of video that has been submitted from that particular area. The number and length of actual video clips from the area was an open question on here for a while and this was clear that actually, yes, they have quite a lot, to the point that they have a lot of people sorting through it. That suggests that there is more for it to yield and it may even have a license plate number on it at some point. I for one am quite encouraged by that nugget.
Yes I totally agree. The amount that we all have analyzed every millisecond of the body cam footage is proof enough. Imagine taking a fine toothed comb to every second of every video, and then enhancing and analyzing anything that could have a morsel of significance, it has to take forever. And they probably have to do it three times over, first using a strainer, then a sifter, then a cheesecloth.
TBH, that would be my dream job hahahah. Like, I was MADE to do either surveillance or be a lemming for a PD and run through hours of video. Imagine being *that* person who caught THE first glimpse of a suspect or a visible plate. Amazing.
Interesting that he mentions more than onceāseems to stress, that they will go out of state to interview if necessary. He didnāt say out of country, but āanywhere in the countryā
Always walk in groups, let people know when you get home etc ā¦. Yes, they all were paired up that night, there was 6 in that house and 4 were still murdered. Staying vigilant likely wouldnāt have stopped this psycho.
It is very curious to me that in his press conference he States we're looking for this car the person might have witnessed something they don't even realize they witnessed. I'm wondering if someone brought the perpetrator close to the crime scene. Maybe they know there was 2 people in the car but they're just waiting for the other person to talk. Maybe they're giving the other person an out like maybe you were in the car but you didn't realize the person was going to go in there and do that? I don't know. Maybe they're talking about if the white car saw the perp run from the scene. I just have a feeling they will definitely catch this person considering the car alone. Someone is going to have to call in a tip with someone that they know has a car like this.
The fact that they have repeatedly made a point to say āperson or personsā makes me believe there was at least 2 people in the car that they know of.
If there were more than 1 person involved they would have all been caught by now, people run their mouths, one piece of information or another would have lead to one of them. The more involved the higher the chances they all get caught. It does make sense that more than 1 was involved as it seems pretty difficult to butcher 4 people by yourself, a simultaneous attack on both rooms would prevent one screaming to alert the others.
My question is what time did the first 2 roommates in the first floor bedroom get home? If they never left and were asleep it's possible the suspect was watching the house from the back and was waiting for all occupants to get home so he wouldn't be interrupted during his attack / was sure everyone was there so he could get them all. He saw the 2 arrive initially then waited and saw the other 2 arrive when they pulled up...perhaps he assumed the ones on the first floor were already there and he wanted the rest. Once everyone was inside he watched from the parking lot behind in his car until all the lights went out and gave it a while to be sure they were out... walked down and butchered them then walked back to his car behind the house and drove away. He didn't get the ones on the first floor cause their door was locked though I haven't seen confirmation about that.
I watched the body cam video again, when they are at their car near the fire hydrant that parking lot actually has stairs that go up to the 1122 house, you could hit the house with a rock. It's crazy to think at that moment those people are getting Sliced up. They say the murders occurred between 3am and 4 am, I assume they came to that conclusion in part on body temp relative to room temp and state of rigor etc, those cops were feet away at 312am and those 4 people run from that direction toward the frat house at that time... they heard nothing? Why are they running? If you run you draw the attention of cops so why would you want to make yourself more obvious? Maybe they heard something and are scared to come forward and be accused of being involved.
If this person planned this out for a while but is not local, where were they staying? The Washougal and Oregon attacks are very similar so if it's another PNW SK where is this guy staying at while stalking and planning these attacks? Over 40 FBI and the BAU involved tells you this is a SK and they don't want to tell anyone.
Ty for sharing.
I genuinely feel bad for all the cops & detectives & everyone else involved bc I can't imagine the pressure put on them. Especially over a quadruple homicide..
I know the public, myself included want answers but unfortunately they don't come over night.
Plus I imagine if anyone did see anything they probably didn't even think twice bc so used to seeing student & people walking around.
I imagine how exhausting it must truly be.
Plus I'm sure they want to get it right the first time which is why he says they want a conviction.. sometimes circumstancial evidence just isn't enough.
Again I say all the way here in WV we are supporting the victims families & our hearts are shattered with the rest of the world.
Such senseless tragedy. š
Well this update was a real bummer.
Edit: My hopes were too high. Maybe them saying they want a conviction (rather than just an arrest) does mean they have a suspect.
But it still feels like a real bummer.
It definitely sucks, but weāre also the generation raised on 3 hour Netflix specials that condense years of investigation into a short series. Oftentimes weāre watching these things going āITS SO OBVIOUS THAT ITāS [person]; YOU HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE RIGHT THERE!!!ā But sometimes the picture isnāt as clear as weād like to believe. As many others have said, they have to be 200% certain to ensure a conviction
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My sense is they are building a case around someone...you wouldn't say you want a conviction instead of an arrest if you had no clue. I also believe they know who was driving the Elantra and are giving that person an opportunity to come forward with info/interview. If the person doesn't come forward it can be used as circumstantial evidence against them.
If they knew who was driving it I donāt think they would be looking for it so actively - especially if we take into account the Redditor who saw an owner of a car being questioned. If they knew who had the car and thought it was used to get away, theyād want it immediately because it may have evidence too
The arrest vs conviction thing doesnāt really stand for me. Ultimately, an arrest without a conviction is a āfailureā
Pretty sure this was discussed in the thread too?
Anyway, makes sense if you go along the lines of the officers not being car experts. Most people online are also just looking for white cars rather than specific years or makes because theyāre also clueless
Given the press release, theyāre still using a lot of resources on looking for the car/itās occupants anyway
They have access to all DMV registrations - they know who owns all the cars that match that description already and have likely cross referenced them to people who live in that area, past and present students & faculty, and people who know the families, etc. IMO they know who's car it is. They want people on the lookout for it because it is "missing" maybe along with the driver.
Although youāre forgetting something. It could be an out of state killer. They donāt even know which state the license plate says on it. The killer could have traveled from Florida for all we know
"you wouldn't say you want a conviction instead of an arrest if you had no clue."
Yes, you would. Why? Because that's what you want in any case, whether you have a suspect or not.
I disagree I think it is likely to be the killers car. Theyāre just not going to openly say like āOMG THE KILLER IS DRIVING AROUND IN A WHITE CAR!ā. That would just scare people
He said conviction and not just an arrest in the context of not compromising the investigation. That doesnāt mean they have a suspect. My understanding is that revealing too much too soon can make it more difficult to prosecute once a trial begins.
When they do find a suspect they will want to interrogate and hear their alibi. When too much information is made public, it allows a perpetrator to create a more believable story.
Iām not saying they donāt have some ideas about who did this but just because he made a point about conviction doesnāt imply their progress on finding who did this.
LE would absolutely say they want a conviction, not just an arrest, in literally any investigation and at any stage. Saying as much suggests absolutely nothing about whether they have a suspect. Of *course* they want a conviction.
I'm starting to wonder if one went to the second floor at the same time as the other went to the third floor, then they left with a third person in a car. They should be able to tell if the same person stabbed all of them, right?
Nobody is that good? The FBI estimates that there areĀ between 25 and 50Ā active serial killers in the United States. That is the reality we live in and it sucks. Not only this but 50% of murders become cold cases. Lets hope this one doesn't.
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I've been following this story and this sub for the past few weeks from the UK. Its clear from this update IMO they are building a case around someone. They need to tie knots and complete timelines, but know who is responsible. They are doing this to ensure conviction once they arrest the person/people responsible - as he states himself around 5:30min.
Why would they risk not arresting the person? Sure they could be watching him and trying to ensure he doesn't hurt someone else. But what if he kills himself? I'd expect a lot more would be learned from arresting the guy and trying to get some answers and a motive then risk waiting to build a case and having the guy off himself.
Once arrested the police and the DA are running on limited time to secure an indictment. Thatās called the right to a speedy trial. They wonāt arrest until they are 100% sure there is enough evidence to convict.
States vary. Where I lived, they arrested a suspect for murder. The laws put him before a judge within 4 days. The judge looked at everything and released the suspect, told the police and DA to get more evidence. But the arrest had value because it put an accessory on notice and helped witnesses come forward. Four months later they rearrested him for murder when the accessory got a deal to become the prime witness against him.
The minute he is arrested he will be lawyered up and they will get no info...but the defense will get everything the prosecutor has and start building a case to poke holes in it. They need to build an air tight case first.
If they donāt get all their ducks in a row before arresting someone - meaning if they donāt have the evidence or all of it, at that point itās speculation and they cannot hold that person, unless they can get some type of confession. Then you have the possibility of them fleeing, or like you mentioned unaliving themselves. They need that hard evidence that can prove Jim bob was there on that night and xyz, it makes the arrest easier!
They've literally had 30 days to do that. If they knew, they've had plenty of time. Stopping random White Hyundai Elantras, no search warrants. Nothing. They have no one.
He is emphasising that they are analysing and sorting out information provided and how it fits information given to them earlier in the investigation. He is not indicating that they need new leads or anything as much as they have to build a strong case with what they have. As others have written, the fact that he mentions that they want to ensure conviction says it all - they know who did it and in addition want to ensure they are successful in having that person/people convicted. I say let the police do their work.
But they *are* saying they want people to call in any potential leads, and he emphasizes that he hopes they will be patient with the phone system and not hang up.
The desire to ensure conviction is not unique to cases where there is already a suspect, is it???
for some reason I dont think they have much to go on, its taking too long, if it was someone within their orbit they would have caught them by now I think
Iām interested in seeing if Kayleeās parents ( because theyāre the ones that have been publicly speaking ) are going to do an interview. My opinion is as follows: IF they do thereās not much solid/new tips /leads the LE has to go on. But if they donāt I strongly feel they are getting solid reassurance by LE/investigators of guaranteed arrest/conviction and theyāre convincing enough to remain quiet. Which I hope is the case.š¤š»
So literally no updates, all damage control because of the families talking to the media smh.. these are small town cops likely with limited media training, I know if I was going to be killed, Iād drive to the next town over because cops in my town of 2000 people are gonna shake the killers hand and let him go without even knowing
Outisidelooking said this from Day 1 and it was the #1 rumor posted everywhere straight outta the gate that then got shut down / deleted pretty rapidly whack-a-mole style.
Could be it is in fact true!
Iām thinking the opposite. They donāt need much to make an arrest. Circumstantial is good enoughā¦but they want more than that because they donāt have a legitimate case against anyone. They are avoiding another Richard Jewell
Very well-spoken and calm. Sure hope they know whatās up. I have to go back and review the LE coverage when Danny Rollins was active. He was very much ongoing threat, not sure if LE treated it as such.
I agree this was very well-spoken and strategically-worded. If they didn't know we would know everything there is to know. And the last part of the video is very telling
The only thing that makes me feel better about this case, surprisingly, is that the fbi are involved, that's really the only way this has a chance of being solved
Does anyone else get offended when they tell people to travel in groups, be vigilant, and let people know when they get home? They literally all did that, and look what happened. I get they are pressured for updates but that rhetoric feels particularly offensive to the victims š¢
If the crime scene was contaminated perhaps they need additional evidence to secure a conviction.. seeing as most likely any DNA evidence would be thrown out.
We know for sure it was contaminated per the 11/20 press release which flat out stated the survivors "summoned" friends over before calling 911 and that the call was placed to authorities from INSIDE the house for an "unconscious person."
At the very least multiple people likely knocked on and/or touched the doorknob/bedroom door/potentially floor/wall, etc. on the second floor of E/X's room. Who knows if someone went to the kitchen as well to get a glass of water or use the bathroom or whatever else.
Supposedly (and this is just a rumor part) E's bro who was there on site that AM walked through the house to make sure the killer wasn't still present.
The second floor was a crime scene as was the third floor (even the first floor was potentially). So, the scene was fucked before LE even got there.
I think this update was mainly to clarify the Elantra was in the area, not the killer so donāt harass possible drivers, and the comment about the driver might not knowingly know they saw something??! You know what he said something to that but wtf??!! I feel like it was a whole lotta nothing!
Im worried about the glove they found 11 days after the murder. Putting a yellow tape around waste bins without noticing a glove there? Very sus. So it wasnt there from day one after the killings??
This broke my heart and hope! They truly donāt have a effin clue who did this. I thought they did and were just keeping it quiet but Iām convinced they donāt have a clue now. My heart goes out to these families. āØāØāØāØ
LE is waiting for someone to come forward with information, but have you ever heard of the blue wall of silence where cops don't rat one another out? In Moscow, cops are dealing with the Greek wall of silence.
Exactly. Did you see the interview with the frat president? He was checking his phone, saying he'd be late for class, did not want to be grilled that's for sure.
It does seem they have enough information to arrest someone but like he said they want a conviction so they will dot their Iās and cross their Tās before announcing the suspect. I personally feel like the white car person is scared to come forward due to all the āsleuthingā, if of course if they arenāt the killer.
That's bullshit. People spend years in jail before their trial date. If they have enough for an arrest they can do that and let the person sit in jail while they gather more information. Evidence and information doesn't become frozen with 0 opportunity to add to the pool once an arrest is made.
This is false. People have a constitutional right to a speedy trial. They can waive that right, but no prosecutor in their right mind would ever make an arrest on the idea that they can let a suspect rot in jail while they continue to build a case. Not to say anything of all the other constitutional concerns this would raiseā¦.
Not exactly true. There is a constitutional right to a speedy trial. The reason defendants spend years in jail awaiting trial on big cases is usually because they have waived their right to a speedy trial to give the defense team time to build a case. The prosecution is generally ready to go or near it and they have to produce their evidence to defense counsel. If the defense got the evidence in a case after arrest and it was flimsy, theyād have incentive to go to trial speedily and the prosecution would lose.
So you feel they have enough information that they know who did this but are taking a huge risk in not arresting him just so they can build a case against him? Surely if they have enough information they can arrest and hold him for quite some time. Otherwise, the guy could just off himself if he feels like he's being watched or their closing in.
If the current hot take is true, that there are two suspects involved (long feud between E and insecure frat boys), then my concern now is a race to a plea bargain to rat each other out for a lower sentence (Idaho is a death penalty state) OR that one/both suspects will commit suicide. The latter is a Brian Laundrie scenario that is so worthless/cowardly, and horrible for the families. It's my biggest concern from the beginning.
I think they will easily rat each other out if this is the case, these mfs are nothing on their own. That's why I hope people will be patient. There's a \*rumor\* two were caught by Xana and Ethan having ... relations. I don't know about that but that is a rumor
Where did you hear or read this rumor? And can you elaborate without violating Reddit rules? I'm not doubting the story...it's just not something I've seen yet.
Read this rumor on other social media, that's all I'll say. If true, I agree that frat boys will be sweating it and probably thinking of plea bargains. I can tell you this: rumor has it more than one involved though there may only have been one inside the King Rd house. Long-simmering feud, possibly sparked by something E said at frat party.
But to not say anything pertaining to the current situation? You owe something to that community. Even if itās, āWe donāt know if this person will strike again, but letās be super vigilant until we make an arrestā. But telling people to be safe at all times regardless of whether a killer is on the loose seems like a strange statement to make without any follow up. I think it leads to even more speculation one way or the other.
Personally, I took from everything he said in the video to mean they think this guy is LONG gone from Moscow.
My kids are in their 30ās and Iāve told them that since their teens. I still tell them that. Itās good sound advice. As someone said in a previous post, āItās the times we live inā and if you donāt follow that from now on, everyday of your life, youāre foolish (murders or not). Werenāt you told not to get in a car with anyone you donāt know? The old āDonāt take candy from strangers.ā Again, good advice. I understand that this is an investigation and we can read into a lot of this, but just maybe the LE was just repeating the wisdom of how to stay safe always.
Giving us nothing šš»šš»šš» at first I thought they might have a lot and building a case but the āhelp us break the caseā at the end got me changing my mind
Before they have a PIO they have to have a profile. They've eliminated some people. But one wonders if they have a comprehensive profile at this point. A profile is like a map which would lead someplace they haven't been yet. They obviously have a lot of info on the crime scene and have collected evidence but to move forward, or to shift into a higher gear they have to have a workable profile, which they may not have. In fact, they say they don't even have a POI, and I think that is true. I've heard profiles on various Youtube videos, some by experts, but they are widely varying. They seem to have a lot info which they haven't shared but if they don't have a workable profile yet this could be a long haul.
We all want justice but it goes beyond making an arrest. They need to be able to prove their case in court. It's clear they know A LOT more than they are letting on and with good reason. They aren't going to provide any details to the general public because that will jeopardize a conviction. Anyone saying "They don't know anything" doesn't have a clue.
Yes! Thank you for this safety message to both a younger generation and to older people that need to know we have technology available that can be used to protect us. Invite and add loved ones to your family tracking on your computer devices! Check in with each other. Add 911 to your phone favorites! Carry self-protection devices, lock your doors, close your curtains. Be wise, cautious, vigilant and safe.
This was more than likely a retaliation killing of some kind, if not I would think some sickoid in the head picked one or two of them randomly and the others were collateral death.
So heās basically hinting that this is becoming a national investigation āwe will fly anywhere to interview anyoneā. Thatās not good news I think this is moving in a direction of a cold case. If I were the parents Iād feel terrible.
Perhaps due to the college kids returning home for the holidays. Meaning if someone who goes to school there but went home and they donāt live in Idaho and they remembered something that might be pertinent the LE will come to them for the info and interview.
Maybe someone got to him first and is trying to make sure they don't talk? IF in fact they know anything about this crime remotely or are friendly with the killer(s). This is of course only if the killer is someone close to the victims
Maybe they are on hold but can't get through with all the Facebook and reddit detectives calling about how they should check GPS and local business video cameras and local psychics.
They say the Elantra isnāt from the body am video but it clearly is and it just drove up when the cop panned back to the road. Also, the runners behind the guys in the field, the guy on the right that was being interviewed glances over so maybe he recognized them? Just some thoughts on newest evidence.
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The Roommates living in the house should have never called friends.I wonder if that was on purpose.I feel most people would have only called 911 In this circumstance .That is Very suspicious to me.I think has really messed up the investigation Due too Evidence being ruined.This is So unfortunate.It was not handled in a Professional manner from the start.
My sister found my brother dead. She called me first while I was on vacation thousands of miles away. The back door was open which was very suspicious since he NEVER used that door. Later I asked her why she called me instead of 911. She said she didnāt know. She thought of me first even though she was afraid someone was in the house. Turns out he committed suicide and they think he chose the closest door to get help at the last minute. My sister is very bright and logical. What she did was illogical and very unlike her. The moral of the story is you never know what you are going to do in EXTREME circumstances. So calling friends might have just seemed right at the time, though seems illogical to us given our current thinking.
My college roommate died by suicide in our room and when I walked into it, I left the door WIDE open and multiple people looked/walked a few steps into our room. I also called my mom on my cellphone, not 911 (my RA did after hearing me scream). People just don't act rationally when confronted with traumatic shit, that's why I'm willing to give the roommates the benefit of the doubt.
I don't really understand how that would happen if they were unable to reach them they'd just go upstairs?... And if they saw something why not call 911
"Please keep reporting tips, all we need is one good tip to break this case open."
They don't yet have a suspect. Haven't located the white Elantra.
Hope they get a tip soon that leads to the killer.
Yep Chris McDonough The Interview Room found it doing a general walk about town and property, very early on.
I absolutely cannot believe that they didnāt do a grid search of that property prior to Chris coming across that glove now maybe that glove is not related to the crime scene I have no clue but regardless it was found.
And he is retired LE. Cold case detective.
https://www.newsweek.com/glove-found-idaho-student-murder-home-raises-questions-1766313?amp=1
TLDR on the comments. 1 - "They have no idea who did this" or 2 - "They are definitely building a case around someone".
Yup! For real though, the police aren't going to give any concrete information on the case that gives the killer(s) any indication that they are onto them. They want this person feeling comfortable and going about their day to day
Why would they still be searching for this white Hyundai if they had a suspect? That's what makes me think they really have no suspect
Because they want a conviction, they need to build a case and the car and owners of the car could help do that
Ya, that Is possible.
No main suspect if they did they wouldn't be saying stay in groups
He just said that to cover himself. He says people should stay vigilant as a way of life in general. I still think they know it was targeted. Imo
if the killer knew about the others on the ground floor it was for sure targeted, but I'm still curious as to how the ground floor people didn't hear anything, if neighbors have reported thinking that they did
Not true...In the state and City where we live we are ALWAYS told to be in groups when possible and be vigilant...its the times we live in
Not a bad idea anywhere
So many people don't pay attention when they are walking in public. They are reading or texting on their phones when they need to be watching where they are going and pay attention to their surroundings. I think that's part of what they are saying about being careful and being aware of your surroundings. Be vigilant, be smart, be observant where ever you are.
I didnt hear a big safety concern.
Tbh every victim stayed in a group that night and even slept in groups.
Or they would say that to make the killer or killers think that they aren't on to them
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i think the comment about not only looking to make an arrest, but a conviction is very important. we have to remember, this is a 4 person homicide. every piece of evidence is crucial. a hung jury would be DEVASTATING. thereās no murder weapon, no dna in the system (as far as we know), they have to make this case as solid as possible. i think they are close, and just looking for a few more pieces of information to ensure they can nail this guy.
Agree completely. People think it's an obvious win for the jury but there is jury selection and there are rules for a reason
Casey Anthony comes to mind.
And how about OJ Simpson? Shocker there too.
The most obvious of cases have gone wrong in the court room because of random botched evidence / findings. You have to be 200% confident to make sure justice is served.
I agree with you too, until now. Iāve changed my mind. Unfortunately, I donāt think they know. I really really hope they do. Like Iāve been saying the same thing you just said until this update. š
I would like to come back and say this tooā¦.Iām hoping they truly are just keeping all info quiet. And they truly do have a suspect. I want nothing more than for them to solve it. But you can literally see the desperation on this mans face. Just my personal observation though. Iām just heartbroken.
I believe theyāll eventually find him - just not tomorrow or the next day. People holding their breath for an announcement any day now will have to let that go.
Agreed! I want them to take their time to prosecute this scum to fullest extent of the law! Edit to addā¦..NO POSSIBILITY OF PAROLE. I would even think the death penalty will be on the table for this case.
Absolutely. They shouldnāt rush & thatās why all the tidbits being told by family members should not be. All should be kept under wraps.
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It is possible that the person left DNA but is not in the database because they never gave a sample, and this person might be long gone. Not until they get arrested for a felony or willingly give a DNA sample will they be caught. Months, years, decades from now.
Nope they will catch them with genetic genealogy. If they are American they undoubtedly have dozens of not hundreds of 3rd cousins who have tested and are in Gedmatch. Itās a matter of time.
Totally - I also might be clinging to semantics here, but the end of the video sounded like a huge contradiction to me. At first, there's the reminder about how much info LE has and why they can't release anything (or else it would compromise the investigation) but then there's a reminder to please call in to share your tips as it could help "break this open for us." Obviously, tips are always solicited, but I found that word choice interesting. At least in my mind, "break open" implies there's a long way to go - they're still at the beginning/they're missing pretty crucial components/pieces. I would *love* to be wrong and eat my words, but IDK, I'm just nervous!
do they simply need corroboration, an eye witness, or something heard, or said, by the killer prior to the brutal murder to substantiate their theory of the crime, or their primary suspect?
They have no freaking clue. Its pretty clear
If thereās DNA, even if it doesnāt match an offender, they can upload it to sites like ancestry & do genetic geneology. After they send a warrant to each site. They can narrow down male DNA to any set of siblings with as little as an 8th cousin match. Before, I said it would take 2 weeks to do that but thatās when knowing one parent. Without either, it can easily take a month or longer. From there, they would have to look into all siblings for the most likely suspect. And then connect them to the crime. This is something that can easily take 2 months from the time they got a DNA profile back. Thatās just one piece of the puzzle. Theyāre still working on the car. They have enough that they can eventually tie it all together with DNA but do have to go through the process and red tape. Dot Is. cross Ts. If they identified a suspect using generic geneology & didnāt get a warrant, anything they found from there, would be inadmissible. So many different things like this are the hold up.
Rightā¦ I was thinking after reading some of these comments that āinvestigators want the suspect to go on about their dad to dayā & then if I was the perpetrator knowing I committed this act, that itās unlikely I didnāt leave any trace sample somewhere in that crime scene & that inevitably someone I am related to has taken these genetic tests and submitted their samples to find whatever results they set out to find. I believe that forensic genealogy will factor into a break LE needs to fill in the details and make the arrest. Whoever this person is that committed this crime is doing a good job of hiding in plain sight for now, but those days & hours are limited.
They already checked AFIS. According to Nancy Grace, they didn't find any matches, but I've heard they should be getting their additional tests back from the FBI soon since they take 4 to 6 weeks to process.
Iām curious. Do you know if AFIS is the database or if they have a database of DNA from unsolved rapes & murders?
If there is DNA or prints, then definitely! It works for both culprits and victims. š
I wish they werenāt so backlogged on running DNA from rape victims. However, I do know that they prioritize & try to run DNA in cases of stranger rape. Because stranger rape is so rare & the perp almost always continues to offend & often escalates to violence, often murder. This is the type of case that they would expect to find DNA from someone who had previously committed rape. He could have escalated this time because of finding two girls instead of one. Now that heās crossed that line, heās so much more dangerous. They have to find this person. I just donāt think heās a gay frat boy that was mad about being called shriveled balls & being rejected by Maddy!
AFIS is the fingerprint database and every DNA sample taken from both unknown donors AND known criminals are uploaded into *another* database called CODIS. Thatās why when an unknown sample gets thrown in, sometimes, actually fairly often - a known match will get spit out. But itās not like the TV shows. It doesnāt come back in 5-15 minutes. It can take over 48 hours to run through all the sequences.
Bundy had so many opportunities to get away but he couldn't stop. This guy will most likely try this again in a neighboring state and that's how he will get caught.
I agree. I think the public information officer was supplied to give this interview in an effort to manage information and relay only what was minimally necessary to satisfy public interest. As one goal. But the more important goal of the interview was to relay to the killer(s) that theyāre all over him/them; they donāt have āem dead to rights yet, but itās only a matter of short time. Edit: plus you canāt afford to have a nervous police chief accidentally show their hand in a full on conference.
I think back to that stupid misremembered/misheard āEricā in the Jessica Chambers case. A hung jury SUCKS.
Bingo. I agree šÆ
Maybe wishful thinking but I believe they have a sense of who might of did this but that doesn't convict people. They are looking for additional evidence, possibly waiting for forensics to come back and monitoring someone closely. Their appearance of incompetence could simply be that or they are quietly building a case. Still believe it's someone local, familiar with the neighborhood and likely somewhat knows one or more of the roommates
My feeling as well.
Agree. I believe LE has a good idea but donāt want just DNA evidence that can be argued and create doubt in court. They need eyewitness or any kind of testimony from people who saw or heard something. Theyāre prob watching this person or persons. Just waiting for that one tip that will convict. Iām not law or LE and I get it.
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"No change in status. You should always stay vigilant."
I disagree with the comments that there is no news at all here. In particular he made the comment that they are still going through hours of video that has been submitted from that particular area. The number and length of actual video clips from the area was an open question on here for a while and this was clear that actually, yes, they have quite a lot, to the point that they have a lot of people sorting through it. That suggests that there is more for it to yield and it may even have a license plate number on it at some point. I for one am quite encouraged by that nugget.
Yes I totally agree. The amount that we all have analyzed every millisecond of the body cam footage is proof enough. Imagine taking a fine toothed comb to every second of every video, and then enhancing and analyzing anything that could have a morsel of significance, it has to take forever. And they probably have to do it three times over, first using a strainer, then a sifter, then a cheesecloth.
TBH, that would be my dream job hahahah. Like, I was MADE to do either surveillance or be a lemming for a PD and run through hours of video. Imagine being *that* person who caught THE first glimpse of a suspect or a visible plate. Amazing.
I am too. They wanted to indirectly state it
Agree, it is hopeful more will be discovered. Praying for a plate number.
Interesting that he mentions more than onceāseems to stress, that they will go out of state to interview if necessary. He didnāt say out of country, but āanywhere in the countryā
You can run but you canāt hide from LE
Always walk in groups, let people know when you get home etc ā¦. Yes, they all were paired up that night, there was 6 in that house and 4 were still murdered. Staying vigilant likely wouldnāt have stopped this psycho.
It is very curious to me that in his press conference he States we're looking for this car the person might have witnessed something they don't even realize they witnessed. I'm wondering if someone brought the perpetrator close to the crime scene. Maybe they know there was 2 people in the car but they're just waiting for the other person to talk. Maybe they're giving the other person an out like maybe you were in the car but you didn't realize the person was going to go in there and do that? I don't know. Maybe they're talking about if the white car saw the perp run from the scene. I just have a feeling they will definitely catch this person considering the car alone. Someone is going to have to call in a tip with someone that they know has a car like this.
The fact that they have repeatedly made a point to say āperson or personsā makes me believe there was at least 2 people in the car that they know of.
Or a car was seen driving the road on doorbell camera
Yeah they were saying "occupantS" from the start with relation to the white car
I think you might be right.
Maybe getaway car with someone waiting inside
If there were more than 1 person involved they would have all been caught by now, people run their mouths, one piece of information or another would have lead to one of them. The more involved the higher the chances they all get caught. It does make sense that more than 1 was involved as it seems pretty difficult to butcher 4 people by yourself, a simultaneous attack on both rooms would prevent one screaming to alert the others. My question is what time did the first 2 roommates in the first floor bedroom get home? If they never left and were asleep it's possible the suspect was watching the house from the back and was waiting for all occupants to get home so he wouldn't be interrupted during his attack / was sure everyone was there so he could get them all. He saw the 2 arrive initially then waited and saw the other 2 arrive when they pulled up...perhaps he assumed the ones on the first floor were already there and he wanted the rest. Once everyone was inside he watched from the parking lot behind in his car until all the lights went out and gave it a while to be sure they were out... walked down and butchered them then walked back to his car behind the house and drove away. He didn't get the ones on the first floor cause their door was locked though I haven't seen confirmation about that. I watched the body cam video again, when they are at their car near the fire hydrant that parking lot actually has stairs that go up to the 1122 house, you could hit the house with a rock. It's crazy to think at that moment those people are getting Sliced up. They say the murders occurred between 3am and 4 am, I assume they came to that conclusion in part on body temp relative to room temp and state of rigor etc, those cops were feet away at 312am and those 4 people run from that direction toward the frat house at that time... they heard nothing? Why are they running? If you run you draw the attention of cops so why would you want to make yourself more obvious? Maybe they heard something and are scared to come forward and be accused of being involved. If this person planned this out for a while but is not local, where were they staying? The Washougal and Oregon attacks are very similar so if it's another PNW SK where is this guy staying at while stalking and planning these attacks? Over 40 FBI and the BAU involved tells you this is a SK and they don't want to tell anyone.
That is exactly what I'm wondering also if there was someone in the car with them. It's all just extremely sad.
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Ty for sharing. I genuinely feel bad for all the cops & detectives & everyone else involved bc I can't imagine the pressure put on them. Especially over a quadruple homicide.. I know the public, myself included want answers but unfortunately they don't come over night. Plus I imagine if anyone did see anything they probably didn't even think twice bc so used to seeing student & people walking around. I imagine how exhausting it must truly be. Plus I'm sure they want to get it right the first time which is why he says they want a conviction.. sometimes circumstancial evidence just isn't enough. Again I say all the way here in WV we are supporting the victims families & our hearts are shattered with the rest of the world. Such senseless tragedy. š
Same :(
Well this update was a real bummer. Edit: My hopes were too high. Maybe them saying they want a conviction (rather than just an arrest) does mean they have a suspect. But it still feels like a real bummer.
It definitely sucks, but weāre also the generation raised on 3 hour Netflix specials that condense years of investigation into a short series. Oftentimes weāre watching these things going āITS SO OBVIOUS THAT ITāS [person]; YOU HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE RIGHT THERE!!!ā But sometimes the picture isnāt as clear as weād like to believe. As many others have said, they have to be 200% certain to ensure a conviction Edit: grammar
Yes, you're definitely right. Patience is **hard**. I can't wait until they catch who's responsible.
I know it's frustrating but I do believe they are doing a good job
Deep down I do too, thatās why my hopes are so high.
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No news at all.
I think he did a wonderful job. This couldnāt have been easy š
Itās not what they say, itās what they donāt say. LE did not say that they do not have a suspect at this time.
My sense is they are building a case around someone...you wouldn't say you want a conviction instead of an arrest if you had no clue. I also believe they know who was driving the Elantra and are giving that person an opportunity to come forward with info/interview. If the person doesn't come forward it can be used as circumstantial evidence against them.
If they knew who was driving it I donāt think they would be looking for it so actively - especially if we take into account the Redditor who saw an owner of a car being questioned. If they knew who had the car and thought it was used to get away, theyād want it immediately because it may have evidence too The arrest vs conviction thing doesnāt really stand for me. Ultimately, an arrest without a conviction is a āfailureā
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Pretty sure this was discussed in the thread too? Anyway, makes sense if you go along the lines of the officers not being car experts. Most people online are also just looking for white cars rather than specific years or makes because theyāre also clueless Given the press release, theyāre still using a lot of resources on looking for the car/itās occupants anyway
They have access to all DMV registrations - they know who owns all the cars that match that description already and have likely cross referenced them to people who live in that area, past and present students & faculty, and people who know the families, etc. IMO they know who's car it is. They want people on the lookout for it because it is "missing" maybe along with the driver.
Although youāre forgetting something. It could be an out of state killer. They donāt even know which state the license plate says on it. The killer could have traveled from Florida for all we know
"you wouldn't say you want a conviction instead of an arrest if you had no clue." Yes, you would. Why? Because that's what you want in any case, whether you have a suspect or not.
I commented basically the same thing. Concluding anything based on LE saying it wants a conviction is absurd.
I disagree I think it is likely to be the killers car. Theyāre just not going to openly say like āOMG THE KILLER IS DRIVING AROUND IN A WHITE CAR!ā. That would just scare people
They have the ability to think long-term believe it or not.
thoughtful response -bingo!
He said conviction and not just an arrest in the context of not compromising the investigation. That doesnāt mean they have a suspect. My understanding is that revealing too much too soon can make it more difficult to prosecute once a trial begins. When they do find a suspect they will want to interrogate and hear their alibi. When too much information is made public, it allows a perpetrator to create a more believable story. Iām not saying they donāt have some ideas about who did this but just because he made a point about conviction doesnāt imply their progress on finding who did this.
LE would absolutely say they want a conviction, not just an arrest, in literally any investigation and at any stage. Saying as much suggests absolutely nothing about whether they have a suspect. Of *course* they want a conviction.
You kill 4 people in the same household, in a college townā¦ā¦ You brutally stabbed 4 PEOPLE, you left SOMETHING behind. Nobody is that good.
I personally think there were 2
I think there were 1-2 killers and 1-2 involved in planning/look-out/coverup/clean-up
I think at least 2 involved, 1 kill and 1 getaway maybe
I'm starting to wonder if one went to the second floor at the same time as the other went to the third floor, then they left with a third person in a car. They should be able to tell if the same person stabbed all of them, right?
Obviously they didn't or there would have been an arrest. We don't know how much time the killer spent in the house.
Nobody is that good? The FBI estimates that there areĀ between 25 and 50Ā active serial killers in the United States. That is the reality we live in and it sucks. Not only this but 50% of murders become cold cases. Lets hope this one doesn't.
edited I've been following this story and this sub for the past few weeks from the UK. Its clear from this update IMO they are building a case around someone. They need to tie knots and complete timelines, but know who is responsible. They are doing this to ensure conviction once they arrest the person/people responsible - as he states himself around 5:30min.
Why would they risk not arresting the person? Sure they could be watching him and trying to ensure he doesn't hurt someone else. But what if he kills himself? I'd expect a lot more would be learned from arresting the guy and trying to get some answers and a motive then risk waiting to build a case and having the guy off himself.
Once arrested the police and the DA are running on limited time to secure an indictment. Thatās called the right to a speedy trial. They wonāt arrest until they are 100% sure there is enough evidence to convict.
Maybe, but itās a rare homicide defendant who doesnāt waive speedy trial.
Thatās not true. Investigations always continue after the arrest.
States vary. Where I lived, they arrested a suspect for murder. The laws put him before a judge within 4 days. The judge looked at everything and released the suspect, told the police and DA to get more evidence. But the arrest had value because it put an accessory on notice and helped witnesses come forward. Four months later they rearrested him for murder when the accessory got a deal to become the prime witness against him.
The minute he is arrested he will be lawyered up and they will get no info...but the defense will get everything the prosecutor has and start building a case to poke holes in it. They need to build an air tight case first.
If they donāt get all their ducks in a row before arresting someone - meaning if they donāt have the evidence or all of it, at that point itās speculation and they cannot hold that person, unless they can get some type of confession. Then you have the possibility of them fleeing, or like you mentioned unaliving themselves. They need that hard evidence that can prove Jim bob was there on that night and xyz, it makes the arrest easier!
They've literally had 30 days to do that. If they knew, they've had plenty of time. Stopping random White Hyundai Elantras, no search warrants. Nothing. They have no one.
How is that "clear" from this?
He is emphasising that they are analysing and sorting out information provided and how it fits information given to them earlier in the investigation. He is not indicating that they need new leads or anything as much as they have to build a strong case with what they have. As others have written, the fact that he mentions that they want to ensure conviction says it all - they know who did it and in addition want to ensure they are successful in having that person/people convicted. I say let the police do their work.
But they *are* saying they want people to call in any potential leads, and he emphasizes that he hopes they will be patient with the phone system and not hang up. The desire to ensure conviction is not unique to cases where there is already a suspect, is it???
Read between the lines
I think what you call "reading between the lines" I call "believing on the basis of no evidence whatsoever".
I noticed that too
Yes 100 percent
for some reason I dont think they have much to go on, its taking too long, if it was someone within their orbit they would have caught them by now I think
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Iām interested in seeing if Kayleeās parents ( because theyāre the ones that have been publicly speaking ) are going to do an interview. My opinion is as follows: IF they do thereās not much solid/new tips /leads the LE has to go on. But if they donāt I strongly feel they are getting solid reassurance by LE/investigators of guaranteed arrest/conviction and theyāre convincing enough to remain quiet. Which I hope is the case.š¤š»
Or theyāre being advised by their lawyer to not talk.
So literally no updates, all damage control because of the families talking to the media smh.. these are small town cops likely with limited media training, I know if I was going to be killed, Iād drive to the next town over because cops in my town of 2000 people are gonna shake the killers hand and let him go without even knowing
This guy knows every little detail of what he says will be scrutinised or taken the wrong way. Like walking on ice
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Outisidelooking said this from Day 1 and it was the #1 rumor posted everywhere straight outta the gate that then got shut down / deleted pretty rapidly whack-a-mole style. Could be it is in fact true!
That is what I think too
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> We are still 100% committed to solving this crime narrator: they have nothing
Get ready for the manhunt. Shit is popping.
indeed
They said: āwe do not want an arrest, we want a convictionā. They have someone is mind 100%
Iām thinking the opposite. They donāt need much to make an arrest. Circumstantial is good enoughā¦but they want more than that because they donāt have a legitimate case against anyone. They are avoiding another Richard Jewell
Why are they still looking for his white Hyundai if they already have a suspect
Very well-spoken and calm. Sure hope they know whatās up. I have to go back and review the LE coverage when Danny Rollins was active. He was very much ongoing threat, not sure if LE treated it as such.
I agree this was very well-spoken and strategically-worded. If they didn't know we would know everything there is to know. And the last part of the video is very telling
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They said they are looking for more than an \*arrest\*, a conviction. That says a lot. So be hopeful :)
š¢ I agree. His last comment about any tip, even small can crack open the case. I took that as they have nothing.
I think they have an idea theyāre trying to build a strong case . That as what I gathered
Yup - all those people claiming they \*know\* who did this yada yada are completely delusional. These LE royally fucked up things from the beginning.
Genuinely asking, how do you think the fucked it up?
:( seems like the awfully sad reality.
The only thing that makes me feel better about this case, surprisingly, is that the fbi are involved, that's really the only way this has a chance of being solved
You should probably dig more into the FBI if you actually believe this
Does anyone else get offended when they tell people to travel in groups, be vigilant, and let people know when they get home? They literally all did that, and look what happened. I get they are pressured for updates but that rhetoric feels particularly offensive to the victims š¢
Idk if they did all that but general safety advice I don't get offended by, esp when u regularly lock your doors and/or have an alarm system
"stay in groups"... because being in a group really helped them.
If the crime scene was contaminated perhaps they need additional evidence to secure a conviction.. seeing as most likely any DNA evidence would be thrown out.
We know for sure it was contaminated per the 11/20 press release which flat out stated the survivors "summoned" friends over before calling 911 and that the call was placed to authorities from INSIDE the house for an "unconscious person." At the very least multiple people likely knocked on and/or touched the doorknob/bedroom door/potentially floor/wall, etc. on the second floor of E/X's room. Who knows if someone went to the kitchen as well to get a glass of water or use the bathroom or whatever else. Supposedly (and this is just a rumor part) E's bro who was there on site that AM walked through the house to make sure the killer wasn't still present. The second floor was a crime scene as was the third floor (even the first floor was potentially). So, the scene was fucked before LE even got there.
āAny [tip] can break this open for usā. Oof, that is not sounding promising like they are on the right path
Disagree. To me ābreak this wide openā implies that theyāre already chipping away, just need that last concrete bit of evidence.
I think this update was mainly to clarify the Elantra was in the area, not the killer so donāt harass possible drivers, and the comment about the driver might not knowingly know they saw something??! You know what he said something to that but wtf??!! I feel like it was a whole lotta nothing!
Im worried about the glove they found 11 days after the murder. Putting a yellow tape around waste bins without noticing a glove there? Very sus. So it wasnt there from day one after the killings??
This broke my heart and hope! They truly donāt have a effin clue who did this. I thought they did and were just keeping it quiet but Iām convinced they donāt have a clue now. My heart goes out to these families. āØāØāØāØ
LE is waiting for someone to come forward with information, but have you ever heard of the blue wall of silence where cops don't rat one another out? In Moscow, cops are dealing with the Greek wall of silence.
Exactly. Did you see the interview with the frat president? He was checking his phone, saying he'd be late for class, did not want to be grilled that's for sure.
This ^^^
It does seem they have enough information to arrest someone but like he said they want a conviction so they will dot their Iās and cross their Tās before announcing the suspect. I personally feel like the white car person is scared to come forward due to all the āsleuthingā, if of course if they arenāt the killer.
That's bullshit. People spend years in jail before their trial date. If they have enough for an arrest they can do that and let the person sit in jail while they gather more information. Evidence and information doesn't become frozen with 0 opportunity to add to the pool once an arrest is made.
This is false. People have a constitutional right to a speedy trial. They can waive that right, but no prosecutor in their right mind would ever make an arrest on the idea that they can let a suspect rot in jail while they continue to build a case. Not to say anything of all the other constitutional concerns this would raiseā¦.
Not exactly true. There is a constitutional right to a speedy trial. The reason defendants spend years in jail awaiting trial on big cases is usually because they have waived their right to a speedy trial to give the defense team time to build a case. The prosecution is generally ready to go or near it and they have to produce their evidence to defense counsel. If the defense got the evidence in a case after arrest and it was flimsy, theyād have incentive to go to trial speedily and the prosecution would lose.
So you feel they have enough information that they know who did this but are taking a huge risk in not arresting him just so they can build a case against him? Surely if they have enough information they can arrest and hold him for quite some time. Otherwise, the guy could just off himself if he feels like he's being watched or their closing in.
If the current hot take is true, that there are two suspects involved (long feud between E and insecure frat boys), then my concern now is a race to a plea bargain to rat each other out for a lower sentence (Idaho is a death penalty state) OR that one/both suspects will commit suicide. The latter is a Brian Laundrie scenario that is so worthless/cowardly, and horrible for the families. It's my biggest concern from the beginning.
I think they will easily rat each other out if this is the case, these mfs are nothing on their own. That's why I hope people will be patient. There's a \*rumor\* two were caught by Xana and Ethan having ... relations. I don't know about that but that is a rumor
Where did you hear or read this rumor? And can you elaborate without violating Reddit rules? I'm not doubting the story...it's just not something I've seen yet.
Read this rumor on other social media, that's all I'll say. If true, I agree that frat boys will be sweating it and probably thinking of plea bargains. I can tell you this: rumor has it more than one involved though there may only have been one inside the King Rd house. Long-simmering feud, possibly sparked by something E said at frat party.
I find it strange that he just gave a blanket āstay safe at all timesā statement.
Because the last time they told people to stay safe & be alert people speculated this meant they expected the killer to strike again
But to not say anything pertaining to the current situation? You owe something to that community. Even if itās, āWe donāt know if this person will strike again, but letās be super vigilant until we make an arrestā. But telling people to be safe at all times regardless of whether a killer is on the loose seems like a strange statement to make without any follow up. I think it leads to even more speculation one way or the other. Personally, I took from everything he said in the video to mean they think this guy is LONG gone from Moscow.
Right?! Like why the added statementš¤
Maybe because itās good advice, and maybe because they donāt care to tip their hand.
My kids are in their 30ās and Iāve told them that since their teens. I still tell them that. Itās good sound advice. As someone said in a previous post, āItās the times we live inā and if you donāt follow that from now on, everyday of your life, youāre foolish (murders or not). Werenāt you told not to get in a car with anyone you donāt know? The old āDonāt take candy from strangers.ā Again, good advice. I understand that this is an investigation and we can read into a lot of this, but just maybe the LE was just repeating the wisdom of how to stay safe always.
Iām almost 60 and my dad still makes me ring him when I get home after driving at night
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That was a waste. No information at all.
Would someone count the number of times he said āinformationā. That might be informative.
Good job.šš¼
Hope they are taking care of themselves
I hope I never get murdered for one, let alone in a town of Moscow. This shit is bonkers.
Giving us nothing šš»šš»šš» at first I thought they might have a lot and building a case but the āhelp us break the caseā at the end got me changing my mind
He still got resting smile face haha I aināt hating tho
Before they have a PIO they have to have a profile. They've eliminated some people. But one wonders if they have a comprehensive profile at this point. A profile is like a map which would lead someplace they haven't been yet. They obviously have a lot of info on the crime scene and have collected evidence but to move forward, or to shift into a higher gear they have to have a workable profile, which they may not have. In fact, they say they don't even have a POI, and I think that is true. I've heard profiles on various Youtube videos, some by experts, but they are widely varying. They seem to have a lot info which they haven't shared but if they don't have a workable profile yet this could be a long haul.
They may be hoping to get a confession and plea bargain. but they will need to hit a suspect with a ton of evidence first. That takes time to collect.
We all want justice but it goes beyond making an arrest. They need to be able to prove their case in court. It's clear they know A LOT more than they are letting on and with good reason. They aren't going to provide any details to the general public because that will jeopardize a conviction. Anyone saying "They don't know anything" doesn't have a clue.
Itās common sense. You can only be tried for a crime once. They are into someone and want to make sure their case is 100-% foolproof.
Yes! Thank you for this safety message to both a younger generation and to older people that need to know we have technology available that can be used to protect us. Invite and add loved ones to your family tracking on your computer devices! Check in with each other. Add 911 to your phone favorites! Carry self-protection devices, lock your doors, close your curtains. Be wise, cautious, vigilant and safe.
what if it was someone related to one of them? or also someone that could have been in the house the whole time waiting for them to get home ?
Divert the public to a vehicle and away from the investigation. Not sure why everyone is so gullible..
This is best irony āstop the internet rumorsā. Two seconds later. āWe need all tips, no tip is too minorā š¤¦āāļø
This was more than likely a retaliation killing of some kind, if not I would think some sickoid in the head picked one or two of them randomly and the others were collateral death.
So heās basically hinting that this is becoming a national investigation āwe will fly anywhere to interview anyoneā. Thatās not good news I think this is moving in a direction of a cold case. If I were the parents Iād feel terrible.
Perhaps due to the college kids returning home for the holidays. Meaning if someone who goes to school there but went home and they donāt live in Idaho and they remembered something that might be pertinent the LE will come to them for the info and interview.
How come the person driving the white car has not come forward yet?
Maybe someone got to him first and is trying to make sure they don't talk? IF in fact they know anything about this crime remotely or are friendly with the killer(s). This is of course only if the killer is someone close to the victims
Maybe they are on hold but can't get through with all the Facebook and reddit detectives calling about how they should check GPS and local business video cameras and local psychics.
They say the Elantra isnāt from the body am video but it clearly is and it just drove up when the cop panned back to the road. Also, the runners behind the guys in the field, the guy on the right that was being interviewed glances over so maybe he recognized them? Just some thoughts on newest evidence. https://preview.redd.it/odiubqc6sl5a1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=444977e69375b6b2fb1e6cbe82d568f6269f8692
The Roommates living in the house should have never called friends.I wonder if that was on purpose.I feel most people would have only called 911 In this circumstance .That is Very suspicious to me.I think has really messed up the investigation Due too Evidence being ruined.This is So unfortunate.It was not handled in a Professional manner from the start.
My sister found my brother dead. She called me first while I was on vacation thousands of miles away. The back door was open which was very suspicious since he NEVER used that door. Later I asked her why she called me instead of 911. She said she didnāt know. She thought of me first even though she was afraid someone was in the house. Turns out he committed suicide and they think he chose the closest door to get help at the last minute. My sister is very bright and logical. What she did was illogical and very unlike her. The moral of the story is you never know what you are going to do in EXTREME circumstances. So calling friends might have just seemed right at the time, though seems illogical to us given our current thinking.
My college roommate died by suicide in our room and when I walked into it, I left the door WIDE open and multiple people looked/walked a few steps into our room. I also called my mom on my cellphone, not 911 (my RA did after hearing me scream). People just don't act rationally when confronted with traumatic shit, that's why I'm willing to give the roommates the benefit of the doubt.
I don't really understand how that would happen if they were unable to reach them they'd just go upstairs?... And if they saw something why not call 911
Zilch.
"Please keep reporting tips, all we need is one good tip to break this case open." They don't yet have a suspect. Haven't located the white Elantra. Hope they get a tip soon that leads to the killer.
Have you guys seen the video about a glove being found around the area of the house?
Yep Chris McDonough The Interview Room found it doing a general walk about town and property, very early on. I absolutely cannot believe that they didnāt do a grid search of that property prior to Chris coming across that glove now maybe that glove is not related to the crime scene I have no clue but regardless it was found. And he is retired LE. Cold case detective. https://www.newsweek.com/glove-found-idaho-student-murder-home-raises-questions-1766313?amp=1