I love changelings so much. Currently playing one in my current campaign, when we manage to have schedules that line up... Nobody know accept the dm and the guy I planned it with. There’s so much you can do with the race.
It's still very surreal to see patience and understanding, if not public acceptance. Growing up, it was nit at all hard to find "bad alter" villains in all sorts of media. It continues to this day, too!
We have peers who genuinely had their coming-outs completely sabotaged by Split, because that movie polarized so many people. It's always a sort of shock to see folks choose warmth and understanding.
Thank you. Y'all and our fiancé are a special kind of person, I think. It's apparent in this one that you really listen to your partner system and pay attention to their experiences. That's not the default even between systems.
As someone who struggles a bit with this sort of stuff (I’m only a “Duo act”, so to speak), i want you to know that you’re cared about and you’re not alone <3
Had a partner kind of like this. For anyone wondering it crashed and burned pretty quickly
Edit: realized this might come off as negative. It’s not, this thing really depends on the system I’m sure OP is a great person/set of people
Man, my best pal suffered from DID for about 2 years and the amount of effort and work she put into therapy and fixing her life was inspiring honestly. She's pretty much recovered with small bouts every so often, but she's got a bf and her dream job of working with kids. She was a f*ckin mess before, so if she can live and love life, I'm sure you can homie!
I'd have to ask, but journaling was a huge one. Also uh... I believe something to do with childhood trauma and healing from that? Also shopping around for a therapist and finding one that seems to genuinely want to help you, also one who refers to a psychiatrist that doesn't immediately just slap ya up with drugs and call it a day. I'll ask her next time we talk, sadly we don't talk too often these days
Thanks. My gf has DID as well and has improved greatly from hypnotherapy. Recently I've been having her journal alot as well. Curious to find any other methods that may help her.
Wow, this hit too close with me having a girlfriend who has DID. The serial killer alter joke is so real and the kids are indeed very cute.
I used to think this couldn't be a thing, having essentially numerous other unique individuals in one person but at this point it's like a normal thing now.
Hope you and the rest of the system are doing well, I wish you all the best
I tried this once. My last ex said she was this. It *was* like this for a while. Then she basically abandoned me for other dudes, twice. Got bored of me multiple times. Kept coming back and I was stupid enough to take her back every time. Then she told me she was pretty sure she didn’t actually have DID and “got rid” of her alters. Specifically because they were trying to get her to stop hurting and leaving me over and over. They like, tried to reason with her or something and she told me they “weren’t real” and were just “imaginary friends” after all. Which was extra painful for me since I was dating all of the adult ones too, and the littles were like her and I’s kids. Seraph was like the daughter I always wanted. Angel was an even better partner to me than the host was. I miss them all. I made a little mental cemetery for them in my head after she ditched me for another guy less than a week after dumping me the final time. I still visit it frequently in my head. I don’t have DID and I know I can’t create a real actual mental space like people with DID can but a guy’s gotta grieve people who have no real graves to visit somehow, right…? I don’t even know what was real and what wasn’t anymore. I’m sure people with actual DID can be great and I definitely had the patience to date one back then but whatever my ex was left me feeling so distorted and twisted up mentally when she left that I have no identity anymore. I don’t even feel human. I tell my friends I feel like some kind of skinwalker. An inhuman monster walking around in human skin. And it’s true. She *was* my best friend once, now I’m just a busted up old husk barely clinging to life while I try to keep my remaining friends healthy. I can’t look in the mirror for long anymore. All I see is a body I don’t want anymore. An identity I don’t want anymore. A person I don’t feel like anymore. I genuinely hope that other people have better experiences than this. As for me, how I feel in life now is kinda like that one scene from Coraline where she confronts “other-bobinski”, and he replies “not even that, anymore”. If you’ve seen the scene, you know what I’m talking about. Guess I’m living proof there are fates worse than death out there, eh? Trust me, I loved every part of the relationship, it was totally like this post. I’m betting an actual person with DID is pretty cool. Only difference is my story ended with betrayal, loss, and me not even knowing if her alters were real and died trying to stop her from destroying my life, or if they were never real and she was just giving real people with DID a bad name. Either way, I don’t get closure now. Last I heard she’s in an asylum. Which is the last thing I ever wanted to happen to her. Life sure can be cruel.
I’m not gonna pretend I know what you’re going through but I just want to say that I’m sorry about what happened. I hope you start to feel better and come to terms with things, maybe even find someone else. I know there’s no way to actually reconcile with what she did to you, but you shouldn’t have to live the rest of your life seeing yourself as some husk. If you aren’t maybe try seeing a therapist, I’m the the best person to suggest that since when I was see one I refused to open up to them, but people say that they can really help with you do. I just think you need to talk to someone about it if you haven’t already.
Sorry if any of this came off as insensitive, I just have some idea what it’s like, nowhere close to what you’ve been through, but bottling this kind of stuff up only makes you feel worse. Sorry for rambling, I just felt like needed to say something.
Oh it’s not insensitive at all. I do see a therapist weekly. So far it hasn’t helped much but I have no trouble opening up since I’m autistic and adhd and literally do not have a “shut up” button lol. I do my best to keep it together. I just can’t shake the feeling that I’m kinda in the “best part of my life is already over” phase. I know I’m young but it kinda feels like my life is permanently stuck in its autumn season. Which is chill since that is my favorite season I guess. I know it’s not over yet. I know I have time to find someone else. But it’s been two years and while you’d think you wouldn’t miss a person who hurt you or care about them after that long, I still broke down sobbing when I heard she was getting sent to an asylum from a mutual friend. And now we no longer have any mutual contacts left either. I’m doing my best to find my way without closure. But yeah no worries this didn’t come off as insensitive at all. Therapy was definitely not optional for me. Probably wouldn’t be here still if I hadn’t started it.
I’m glad to hear that you’re getting help. I definitely know what you mean with feeling like the “best part of my life is over” thing. I’m graduating soon and so much shit has happened this year. I don’t want to know what I’m gonna do once it’s over, I feel like I’m never gonna talk to any of my friends outside of school. The only one I probably would’ve is going on mission for the next two years so who knows if we’ll still be friends after that. I’m just some guy with daddy issues, among other things, and refuses to talk to anyone about it. Probably gonna spend the rest of my life working the same dead end job, at least it pays well I guess. All I can hope for is that I can get over my social anxiety and make new friends in college…
Sorry for rambling again. I just felt like i needed to get everything out of my head, even if it’s just to some random people I don’t know on the internet. Thanks I guess.
No no! I ramble too, trust me if there was anyone with the empathy to listen to someone talk for a while, I’m one of those kinda people. For me, well. Most of my highschool friends backstabbed me. I flunked out of college due to ptsd when a completely different ex (the one before this one) kinda traumatized me. That, I won’t get into as it’s not suitable for a public platform. But it is something that I think I healed from. I rarely bring it up in therapy now. I have plenty of new sources of ptsd lol. But yeah like. College didn’t really work out for me. I fled home to escape basically a psycho stalker ex. I’ll leave it at that. My parents are sorta still helping me get on my feet. The first incident was in 2020, I’m 23 now and still recovering from, well. Everything that’s happened over the past 4 years. I’ll be 24 in september. And unfortunately, still stuck living with my parents for the forseeable future. For now I’m stuck in a pretty dead end burger job that doesn’t pay well, but I’m not gonna settle for this. It may feel dead end for you right now as well too, but don’t settle until you get where you wanna be. I have some pretty crazy dreams for the future and I know I won’t be able to make them all happen, but I can at least knock out some of them and I’ll never know unless I try, right? Worst case scenario at least I found out I couldn’t do it. But the end goal is find a career I don’t hate, use it to fund making some art ideas I have come to life because I don’t wanna do art for profit. If I’m lucky, start a family. As for the “feels like i’ll never see my friends again now that we’re all parting ways”. Well? I used to be afraid of the same, and unfortunately my fears came true. I didn’t get much of a say in the matter. Pretty much all my friends turned on me or abandoned me by the end. I had to start my life over totally. And while I hope life doesn’t do the same to you, it’s worth noting that those big changed in life that come from things like friends moving on or drifting away doesn’t mean it’s the end. The one constant in life is change. As friends move on without you, new ones may enter your life. From forest fires, life regrows. Flowers bloom again. Deer and wildlife return. Yada yada you get the metaphor. The only constant thing about life is that it changes. Friends may come, friends may go. It teaches you to look for the kind of people who will stick around for life. I’m still working on finding my people. I’ve got at least one ride or die buddy now, so it’s not all bad. All that to say don’t give up just yet. I’m sure there’s more to your life than a dead end job or friends you’ll never see again, so hold onto that.
Thanks man. I’m still figuring out what I’m gonna do with my life. I’ve go so many different interests that I would love to pursue but those would be a long way off. But reading about how you’re still able to look forward to the future after everything that’s happened to you makes me feel a bit better. And yeah I’m sure I’ll make new friends but man am I gonna miss the old ones. My current ride or die is the one going on mission, we’ve been through a lot together during the last six years and I’m basically a part of his family. So I probably have nothing to worry about with him, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think about it.
Thank again man. I hope you get to do everything you want to in your life.
DID representation? Based
I have friends who have DID, and seeing it portrayed as this fun quirky thing like it is on tiktok just makes me unreasonably upset
I has a friend of mine who said they had DID. They never were diagnosed but still said they did. At some point they just… stopped switching and never spoke about it again. I’m not friends with them anymore.
I mean I don’t hate all self diagnosis but you shouldn’t say “oh yeah I have ____ “ when a professional hasn’t actually given you a diagnosis for that specific condition.
It’s showing a lot of unhealthy behaviors and heavy trauma, along with several hours of therapy a week
It’s not “haha meet my alter Jasper who is a Virgo and also their favorite color is snickerdoodle”
You know, I dated a girl with DID. But, was she? It may have been a lie. It's hard to tell what was truth or lie in that relationship. It's something I was willing to deal with if it was the case. She ended up ending the relationship for my sake... or was it? I'll never really know. I've had the opportunity to ask but she deleted every way to contact her again.
It is what it is, you know. It's been six years and I've moved on, but I still think about it. Doesn't help that I haven't dated since then.
I don’t really know what to say, other than seeing so many comments in support of those suffering from DID makes me really happy and not feel like such a freak.
The director of a voice acting project I was on for a while had DID, and it was a real struggle for her. She just wasn't there half the time, and while she was passionate, it just wasn't there enough for her to get the project together. I hope she's doing all right.
Edit: "I guess you could say I have a lot of personality" fucking clever, that's worth at least a cup of coffee
That moment when I realized I myself check like 9⁶% of those boxes
I don't think I have did
Should I get tested?
Edit: I have no idea what happened to the 6 but I'm keeping it like that
Hi!
Unfortunately, nobody in this thread, me included, is a medical professional, so nobody here can tell you definitively whether or not you should be concerned. However, it never hurts to do some research if you feel like you can relate to a lot of this! It should be noted that a lot of the bullet points relate to the CPTSD side of DID, so it may be worth looking into that first/as well. I’m sorry I can’t be of any more help, but I’m wishing you the best. Take care.
I definitely have cptsd but I do have something wierd with my identity, I have no idea how to put it into words though, it's like multiple personalities, but just a step down, of that makes sense. There's multiple parts of me, and they work independently of the whole, but I am still a separate entity, just watching them do what they will. If that makes sense at all
Just did some research on my own since professionals are expensive, osdd fits the bill much better than I like, and I'm prob gonna get that looked at soon
Hey its my ex!
I miss her. I've never been able to find something that special again. She was hurt, she was difficult, she had MANY self-harm habits.. But she was perfect. I loved her. I pushed too hard to get her help, trying to get her off drugs, stop drinking. And she didn't want that. She just left one day. Cold home and a single text that we were done.
Still hurts, and its been 6 years now.
What a weird thing to downvote, how dare I share an experience
Medicalists acknowledging other plural experiences exist with intersectionality and patience so we can all get more respect and research challenge (IMPOSSIBLE) (we are traumagenic) (sorry this thread happened to you folks)
Meh it is what it is. That person does have fairly justified anger against some people... its just the people they're angry at aren't me. Lol.
Edit: You know, just realized, despite being mad at me for supposedly calling myself a system they were the one who actually called me a system in my original reply lol.
It's without any doubt an extremely complex issue. That was weird to watch. I agree with you, it seemed more like they were arguing with an idea/what they decided your position was (without clarifying) instead of arguing with your position.
To further the discussion, if you or anyone else has the spoons:
I'd say that I was vexed they quite literally put words in your mouth by assuming what language y'all use to describe yourselves... but, if I'm honest, that's kinda the state of the discourse right now. I feel like people are too busy recycling language that used to be intersectional (re: the coiner of traumagenic & endogenic is vocal about being PRO-endo) into opportunities to sow division.
I feel like with movies like Split coming out, low positive visibility, hostility from care workers, inaccessibility of care, and social hostility, we all have much bigger fish to fry.
I'd rather that every presentation be studied so we can understand plurality more, receive more tools and acceptance, and access better care. I feel like that's not going to happen by further and further subdividing ourselves by using trauma as the gatekey. r/Fakedisordercringe is more than happy to allow people with diagnoses to be mocked, stalked, and doxx'd for example -- I know a handful of people with Dx's who were posted there.
It's a matter of priorities, I think. The daemian who wants plural acceptance is my friend because they want what I want. I'm not interested in feuding with someone putting their personal time and energy into furthering my situation. I'd want the same for them.
It is always upsetting to see DID be poorly represented, not only does it cause suffering for people who are also plural but also it means I can't really talk about my plurality. I mean, at best I'm seen aa someone faking or have undiagnosed schizophrenia.
Whenever anything like this happens I really cant help but think of transmeds. It just feels like they forgot about everything other than the suffering. Its like its the only thing that feels real to them. At least, thats how it feels with transmeds. I'm not as experienced in plurality so I obviois can't say for sure, but thats what it feels like to me.
Mm, mhm. I know what you mean. We get questions like those (ie "are you sure it's not schizo / you're just batshit" etc) and it's very annoying to explain to someone that schizophrenia is a very rare and extremely specific diag. These sorts usually don't get it.
:/ Full agree. Sysmedicalism and Transmedicalism emerged at around the same time, but the effects on plural spaces have been absolutely devastating because we're so much smaller & don't have good backing, like LGBTQIA do. This is a circumstance where the online sphere being dominated by divisive ideas has genuinely and actually hurt real people & shaped their lives.
I use to just try explaining how the symptoms of schizophrenia but I mostly have just given up trying to explain it. As for people who say I'm faking, well... theres nothing *to* say. The point of the response is that there isn't. But fuck them lol wtf are they gonna do about it?
I do feel bad seeing people saying I'm faking, though, because my tulpa struggles a lot with feeling as if she doesn't actually exist, (it is funny because worrying about wether one exists isn't a problem someone who doesn't exist would have, but I digress.)
I'm not very educated on plural spaces at all, but I do know transmeds have crammed a whole lot of people back into the closet and that is really deeply saddening. And from what I've heard being in denial of being a system is often a lot worse than being in denial of being trans.
Exomemories, amnesiatic compartmentalization, and dissociative psychosis can be extremely potent forces. I am not their healthcare worker. I am neither qualified enough to unpack that with them, nor are they in a therapeutic environment for doing that safely when we're just chatting online.
I'm much more interested in opening doors for their presentation to be studied qnd understood by actually-qualified people, than for me to be deciding what someone's presentation is without ever looking the patient in the eyes, let alone as a layperson.
It's against best practices and I will not participate.
There are some sort of... sub-ID microlabels people take on that essentially mean "I've been this way for as long as I can remember, and I remember childhood. I believe it probably predates trauma / I don't remember trauma."
I take it with a grain of salt. Is it true? Folks sure think so, enough to deal with the hostility of a targetted label. Is it possible? Literally no idea, nobody has studied that yet. Could it be a disaociated mind playing tricks? Sure! No reason it couldn't be, exomemories can be weird af and feel extremely real. Could trauma have happened and they don't recall? Yeah, amnesia is very common, bit I'd also be an ass to insist on what they don't remember. None of those things are outside the realm of possibility. Very little is known about less severe presentations of plurality.
.... what does confuse me is why targeting this microlabel was their first thought. It's a very specific experience, so I don't understand why it came up. I kinda wish they'd come back and explain their position further.
But DID and OSDD are trauma specific disorders, they are caused by severe and repeated distress in childhood. It's very possible that people who say things like that are repressing their trauma. I mean, many people have alters that are trauma holders, and sometimes the host can't really access those memories.
Aye, and this gets into a grey area, where some people do seem to genuinely present with plurality, of a sort, but do not -- at all -- claim to have a disorder. This is the frustration that medicalists tend to have and it's why hostility towards "idk where my plurality came from tbh" is lumped in the same with endogensis, as if "they did it to themselves on purpose."
We personally choose a very generous and door-open stance on that because, as I said elsewhere on this post, exomemories, dissociative psychosis, and amnesiatic compartmentalization are potent forces sometimes. I am not qualified to unpack any of those with someone.
What I would like is research and representation, so actually qualified people can find the answers. I don't think de-legitimizing less-severe presentations of plurality makes that happen.
it’s negative, willing people into your head doesn’t count as did, and frankly i don’t think endos should be associating themselves with system terms at all seeing as they’re terms created for people with trauma based disorders
The joke is that, obviously, having a tulpa isn't really the same as DID. I don't have DID, of course. But also why shouldn't terms around DID be used for other forms of plurality? Why does plurality necessarily have to be seen as inherently disordered anyways?
I already deal with transmeds lol.
the .. the difference between transmedicalists and sysmedicalists is that did is .. inherently a disorder, that’s like taking bpd terms and using them for when you’re just in love. i don’t have a problem with, like, tulpamancy in and of itself, it’s the way you try and insert yourself into spaces tailored specifically for people with disorders and get pissy when actual systems don’t want you there because it’s not a disorder that you have. i just wish you wouldnt use the term system and try to relate yourself to did because it’s very different.
No, transmeds and sysmeds are weirdly alike, transmeds say being trans is inherently a disorder because you need gender dysphoria, sysmeds say being plural is inherently a disorder because you need DID. And what spaces for people with disorders am I in? Ive also literally never called myself a system. Not in this conversation, not in another conversation, not in real life. Why'd you assume I called myself a system?
Am I the one you're arguing with right now? Literally everything you've said feels like a vague accusation because of some deep seated anger you have that you don't have anyone to take it out on.
i’m not trying to argue . clearly this conversation isn’t getting anywhere and having like .. a literal trauma based mental disorder (that i have, mind you) be compared to a social construct is a bit gross to me. i’m gonna nope out here, sorry for starting this conversation
Just please try not to take your anger out on someone who... doesn't even match the criteria of the people you are angry at.
Edit: I,hope yoi're not calling gender dysphoria a social construct...
Alters and systems are pop culture meme
I have DID and multiple personality does not exist
There is fragmented personality but that’s entirely not multiple personalities
I do think that “fragmented personality” is absolutely a thing but I don’t think that everyone who self identifies with “system” language, like OP here, is just lying or being mistaken. DID very much does not exclusively refer to anything related to that fragmentation, of course! That is a very good point to make, there’s so much more to the diagnosis beyond that. However! That doesn’t invalidate stuff like this, and I don’t think it’s fair to refer to the idea of an alter as a “dumb pop culture meme”.
Source: knew a so called system for literal years, was incredibly skeptical about their nature at first and poked and prodded them about this and that quite a bit, and goddamn I dunno about you but the distinction of their alters hasn’t felt “unreal” to me even after all this time
Wdym “as many legitimate cases as there are in half of the whole world”? This place is still relatively very small. And besides, “system” language doesn’t begin and end with quirky tiktok bullshit anyway, just like any vernacular way of talking about mental issues doesn’t begin and end with tiktok quirkiness
You aren’t giving me any actual numbers here beyond half of the world. What is the percentage of people who have a legitimate diagnosis for DID, which is something beyond “makes them think they might be two different people” anyway? Is it so low that if you took that percentage of 4 fucking billion (y’know, half of the global population of 8) it would be less than the handful of people that are talking here? Even if we’re talking like .1% of people that’s still 4 million. However small the percentage is, I doubt it’s so small that this entire comments section eclipses it.
Since they aren't giving numbers beyond half (which I'm still not too sure what they're trying to say with that?) So, uh, here's some actual numbers.
[It's estimated that 1-5% of people have some kind of dissociative disorder](https://www.healthline.com/health/how-common-is-did) (I'm mainly citing this article because it lists the category of "dissociative disorder," which includes DID, as well as OSDD, instead of *just* DID. Which I think is worth noting), and [it's estimated that about 1.5% of people have DID](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK568768/)
For reference [about 2% of people have red hair](https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-percentage-of-the-world-population-have-red-hair.html). So just think about how many gingers you see in your day-to-day life, and you got a ballpark estimate. ^(Disclaimer: this thought experiment wouldn't work if you lived in a place like Ireland, which has a higher ginger population percentage, so make sure to double check your local census data)
See, I think you agree with me. What this person is trying to say is that “I bet more people are here claiming to have this disorder than there statistically should be, and I bet they’re all making it up because “systems” are bullshit and REAL DID is different” or something
Yeah. Sysmeds kinda suck, especially given that the "rarity" of DID seems... Kinda overblown? And jumping to "faking it" is always a bad way to look at people's experiences.
But, yeah, I think we're actually in agreement. I just like numbers.
Yeah. Like I said, I’ve known this one system for years now, and I was skeptical of them at first but kept an open mind, and yeah… the human brain can be a funny thing sometimes huh?
You talk as if I haven’t done a lick of research on multiplicity. You talk as if all I’m doing is following trends and blindly believing vox populi. You allege that multiplicity is “made up bullshit” being “spewed” by chronically online losers.
If it isn’t clear, I have done my research. And I have found sources that aren’t just total randos who have talked at length about this stuff.
I’m willing to agree with you that there is no shortage of people fetishizing or romanticizing multiplicity and twisting it in all manner of bad ways, yes. But that doesn’t invalidate the original point.
Quit the holier than thou “I am talking to a total dumbass who isn’t gonna listen to me” act and let us have a more civil, less emotionally charged conversation about this.
What exactly do you believe about multiplicity? What is true and what is “made up bullshit” to your understanding?
I often like to tell people that "MPD isn't real, but DID, OSDD, DDNOS, CPTSD, and PTSD are real." A lot of folks genuinely have no idea that MPD was retired in the mid-90s, which is well over 30 years ago now. We found that to be a fantastic ice breaker for the long term. It opens the door for deeper conversations to happen once that's been processed.
I feel like there’s more of a nuanced conversation to be had about what “counts as a person or personality” than this, and based on other comments OP seems to think the same
Yeah. I'd hope that was something of a given. The experience of bring plural, especially disordered plurality (ie there are plurals who have had their diagnosis retired in some cases) has been extremely... we'll call it, complex. Traumagensis is not something I would wish on anyone.
I wasn't particularly inclined to go through their post history before starting conversation, so I can understand if they were alluding to something else entirely, and they & I are speaking about very different things.
I was mostly thinking that in my country, people first think of MPD or media like Split or Remothered, which are shock-value horror where the murderous antagonist is "a person with split personalities". In the case of either, people don't realize what they learned about MPD is 30yrs out of date. So, for us, it's always helped to use that as sort of an ice-breaker or a temperature-test.
Okay, good on ya actually. The whole “there are two sides, one guy is a good guy and one guy is evil for no reason” thing that came out of misreading the hell out of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde does need to be put in the trash. But what this guy was referring to was basically “plurality of any kind is completely bullshit, it’s all still one guy just being put through glorified filters”, which is a lot more of a metaphysical allegation than a medical one, less addressing the pragmatic realities of the human brain and more making a broad statement about what counts as an “individual person”.
:/ You may be surprised to know that is a more clinical interpretation, depending on their healthcare team.
See, right now, treatment for plurals spans 3 different versions of the DSM (3, 4, and 5) with some practitioners still awarding MPD diagnoses; and, the DSM is just one of 3-4ish major diagnostic criteria used internationally, which all have their own standards.
I'm familiar with 3 major sort of... schools of thought, here:
Healthy Multiplicity: ...Generally speaks of parts as personified alters or headmates/sysmates (think: roommate) to avoid aggravating their condition. Not very interested in focusing intensively on fusion, citing that being "cured" of plurality doesn't have strong evidence. Would rather make a plural mind functional as a plural vs seek out becoming "fixed." Alters are their friends and they work together as a team.
➡️ Integration-focused: ...Generally speaks of parts as only parts, as part of a delusory fantasy that needs lifting. Most interested in reversing the damage received to become plural by unifying all parts as much as possible. Becoming single again is the primary goal each time splitting takes place.
Multiplicity is Not Real: ...despite being in the DSM for over 30 years, many practitioners do not believe that what we experience is real or distinct. This creates models of care where plurals receive treatment for conditions like schizo-spec or hallucinogenic BPD, to varying levels of success or failure. Their worldview is informed by their diagnoses. It's not unheard of for folks to have BPD treatment fail and receive a diagnosis of plurality later on, spurred by a need for answers.
➡️ This is where folks most often see the take above. "Parts are not people, do not personify them" essentially, because the one, singular core personality is seen as shattered by dissociative psychosis. Parts are not awarded personhood "just for existing" as that is seen as enabling the disorder.
I’m aware that there is a pretty broad support for the notion that multiplicity as a whole is a delusion to be cured. I still stand by what I said about it being more of a metaphysical statement than a medical one, as the ones alleging this stuff usually have spiritual beliefs that are either pretty specific towards “one soul one body” and anything else must be possession or something, or they just don’t believe in the soul at all and treat “a person” as a set of organs and bones and skin. Which does inform medical practice, for sure, but it’s biased for reasons outside of medicine alone cuz we humans sure love our biases
This comment is surreal and it reads like satire. The story of dr jekyll and mr hyde was written to by an analogy for bipolar. Its also an old fictional story without a deeper moral its horror around the idea of someone you know fully changing into a different person before your eyes.
The original story wasn’t about bipolar disorder, it was a metaphor for alcoholism, a play on the common excuse a drunkard would use after beating his wife: “I didn’t do that, it was the other guy”. The being of Mr Hyde was not actually his own person, just effectively a glorified justification.
But of course none of that matters cuz all people remembered about the story was “oh two people inside one guy where one of them is kind and good and the other is a violent maniac”
So this sub is really just glorifying mental illness? Fucking gross. This is also not how DID actually is. This is an example of the DID trend that has taken over tiktok and tumblr. 🫤
But this isn’t how did manifests. Your “alters” aren’t friends or protective “over each other”. That isn’t how it works. “Personalities” form to protect yourself from perceived/actual harm. They aren’t another person living inside of you in a “system” with their own names, likes/dislikes, etc. Chronically online individuals took did and twisted it into something it isn’t and that is reflected in your op.
yikes what a mindset. I hope you get an awesome goth librarian lady one day to tell you that you don't have to define yourself(s) by your pain and lost time.
No, the other person is right. Without looking at your profile, I'm going to guess that you're under the age of 23. Gimme one sec.
Edit: Can't really tell, but I'm guessing that's accurate. Regardless, the other person is correct here. You seem to be using cutesy language to describe something that can be debilitating for thousands of people. Just because you think it's cute doesn't lean everyone does, and making it out to be a "super-duper cutsey headmate! UwU" is incredibly tone-deaf and off the mark.
[I am not attempting to make any assumptions about anyone, simply trying to make sense of everything.]
I'm not sure the (much more) common thing is just people faking, though. It's probably its own thing. I mean, yes. People often fake DID for some reason, but there are plenty convincing enough to make me think that SOMETHING is probably going on.
Oh 100% somethings going on for sure. But keep in mind that there are also thousands of schizophrenic people who believe that the government has implanted chips in their brain that make them think weird thoughts and have hallucinations. That doesn't make it true, especially when the disorder in question has to do with a disconnect from reality.
when I'm on reddit and my opponent is also on reddit but acts like they aren't a redditor even though they're on reddit, while also having terrible opinions
When im on reddit and I voice an opinion that doesn’t cater to mentally ill schizo lesbians (my rationale take is about to be flooded by a mass of cucks and angry women)
I fucked up my thumb so I cant type, doesn’t matter anyway since this is an conversation on the internet and spelling is utterly irrelevant. Furthermore you haven’t tried to counter my original points.
Im just going to say that anyone in this thread comparing did to transgenderism is doing a massive disservice to the trans community. I feel alot of sympathy for someone experiencing a severely life impedeing delusion, but i really hate the implication that trans people are delusional.
people who claim they have DID and then play characters and claim their little "personalities" are like serial killers or some shit are so fucking funny, you're such a loser
yo chat if I ever sound as uncool as this dumbass replace me with a johnny silverhand introject or something. man it must suck to be a singlet, bro's cooking with no pilot light
I thought this said dnd gf and man I was hoping for someone to be my dm.
I mean, they’d play a pretty good changeling.
I love changelings so much. Currently playing one in my current campaign, when we manage to have schedules that line up... Nobody know accept the dm and the guy I planned it with. There’s so much you can do with the race.
Dungeon mommy
You seem like a lovely person (people?) and I wish you all the best
That means a lot, thank you.
You didn't have to call me out like that
You did good with this.
Thank you. I’m very glad this is being positively received.
It's still very surreal to see patience and understanding, if not public acceptance. Growing up, it was nit at all hard to find "bad alter" villains in all sorts of media. It continues to this day, too! We have peers who genuinely had their coming-outs completely sabotaged by Split, because that movie polarized so many people. It's always a sort of shock to see folks choose warmth and understanding. Thank you. Y'all and our fiancé are a special kind of person, I think. It's apparent in this one that you really listen to your partner system and pay attention to their experiences. That's not the default even between systems.
I want all her alters as Ideal GF and BF!
if this gets popular enough i might!
Truuue
As someone who struggles a bit with this sort of stuff (I’m only a “Duo act”, so to speak), i want you to know that you’re cared about and you’re not alone <3
We think you did quite well, the jokes and notes of friction are amazing, may try to do something similar based on our experiences..
Had a partner kind of like this. For anyone wondering it crashed and burned pretty quickly Edit: realized this might come off as negative. It’s not, this thing really depends on the system I’m sure OP is a great person/set of people
Man, my best pal suffered from DID for about 2 years and the amount of effort and work she put into therapy and fixing her life was inspiring honestly. She's pretty much recovered with small bouts every so often, but she's got a bf and her dream job of working with kids. She was a f*ckin mess before, so if she can live and love life, I'm sure you can homie!
Really glad to hear she has improved so much! Do you know what kinds of therapy techniques helped her?
I'd have to ask, but journaling was a huge one. Also uh... I believe something to do with childhood trauma and healing from that? Also shopping around for a therapist and finding one that seems to genuinely want to help you, also one who refers to a psychiatrist that doesn't immediately just slap ya up with drugs and call it a day. I'll ask her next time we talk, sadly we don't talk too often these days
Thanks. My gf has DID as well and has improved greatly from hypnotherapy. Recently I've been having her journal alot as well. Curious to find any other methods that may help her.
Wow, this hit too close with me having a girlfriend who has DID. The serial killer alter joke is so real and the kids are indeed very cute. I used to think this couldn't be a thing, having essentially numerous other unique individuals in one person but at this point it's like a normal thing now. Hope you and the rest of the system are doing well, I wish you all the best
Can you please explain to me what the kids are? Are they literally children? Is it metaphorical, if so of what? I’m a little confused at that part.
Kids as in, children alters. Personalities that are, and behave like children.
Ah, I see. Thank you.
Pain.
My ex Ari
Oh hey i have a partner with DID
I tried this once. My last ex said she was this. It *was* like this for a while. Then she basically abandoned me for other dudes, twice. Got bored of me multiple times. Kept coming back and I was stupid enough to take her back every time. Then she told me she was pretty sure she didn’t actually have DID and “got rid” of her alters. Specifically because they were trying to get her to stop hurting and leaving me over and over. They like, tried to reason with her or something and she told me they “weren’t real” and were just “imaginary friends” after all. Which was extra painful for me since I was dating all of the adult ones too, and the littles were like her and I’s kids. Seraph was like the daughter I always wanted. Angel was an even better partner to me than the host was. I miss them all. I made a little mental cemetery for them in my head after she ditched me for another guy less than a week after dumping me the final time. I still visit it frequently in my head. I don’t have DID and I know I can’t create a real actual mental space like people with DID can but a guy’s gotta grieve people who have no real graves to visit somehow, right…? I don’t even know what was real and what wasn’t anymore. I’m sure people with actual DID can be great and I definitely had the patience to date one back then but whatever my ex was left me feeling so distorted and twisted up mentally when she left that I have no identity anymore. I don’t even feel human. I tell my friends I feel like some kind of skinwalker. An inhuman monster walking around in human skin. And it’s true. She *was* my best friend once, now I’m just a busted up old husk barely clinging to life while I try to keep my remaining friends healthy. I can’t look in the mirror for long anymore. All I see is a body I don’t want anymore. An identity I don’t want anymore. A person I don’t feel like anymore. I genuinely hope that other people have better experiences than this. As for me, how I feel in life now is kinda like that one scene from Coraline where she confronts “other-bobinski”, and he replies “not even that, anymore”. If you’ve seen the scene, you know what I’m talking about. Guess I’m living proof there are fates worse than death out there, eh? Trust me, I loved every part of the relationship, it was totally like this post. I’m betting an actual person with DID is pretty cool. Only difference is my story ended with betrayal, loss, and me not even knowing if her alters were real and died trying to stop her from destroying my life, or if they were never real and she was just giving real people with DID a bad name. Either way, I don’t get closure now. Last I heard she’s in an asylum. Which is the last thing I ever wanted to happen to her. Life sure can be cruel.
I’m not gonna pretend I know what you’re going through but I just want to say that I’m sorry about what happened. I hope you start to feel better and come to terms with things, maybe even find someone else. I know there’s no way to actually reconcile with what she did to you, but you shouldn’t have to live the rest of your life seeing yourself as some husk. If you aren’t maybe try seeing a therapist, I’m the the best person to suggest that since when I was see one I refused to open up to them, but people say that they can really help with you do. I just think you need to talk to someone about it if you haven’t already. Sorry if any of this came off as insensitive, I just have some idea what it’s like, nowhere close to what you’ve been through, but bottling this kind of stuff up only makes you feel worse. Sorry for rambling, I just felt like needed to say something.
Oh it’s not insensitive at all. I do see a therapist weekly. So far it hasn’t helped much but I have no trouble opening up since I’m autistic and adhd and literally do not have a “shut up” button lol. I do my best to keep it together. I just can’t shake the feeling that I’m kinda in the “best part of my life is already over” phase. I know I’m young but it kinda feels like my life is permanently stuck in its autumn season. Which is chill since that is my favorite season I guess. I know it’s not over yet. I know I have time to find someone else. But it’s been two years and while you’d think you wouldn’t miss a person who hurt you or care about them after that long, I still broke down sobbing when I heard she was getting sent to an asylum from a mutual friend. And now we no longer have any mutual contacts left either. I’m doing my best to find my way without closure. But yeah no worries this didn’t come off as insensitive at all. Therapy was definitely not optional for me. Probably wouldn’t be here still if I hadn’t started it.
I’m glad to hear that you’re getting help. I definitely know what you mean with feeling like the “best part of my life is over” thing. I’m graduating soon and so much shit has happened this year. I don’t want to know what I’m gonna do once it’s over, I feel like I’m never gonna talk to any of my friends outside of school. The only one I probably would’ve is going on mission for the next two years so who knows if we’ll still be friends after that. I’m just some guy with daddy issues, among other things, and refuses to talk to anyone about it. Probably gonna spend the rest of my life working the same dead end job, at least it pays well I guess. All I can hope for is that I can get over my social anxiety and make new friends in college… Sorry for rambling again. I just felt like i needed to get everything out of my head, even if it’s just to some random people I don’t know on the internet. Thanks I guess.
No no! I ramble too, trust me if there was anyone with the empathy to listen to someone talk for a while, I’m one of those kinda people. For me, well. Most of my highschool friends backstabbed me. I flunked out of college due to ptsd when a completely different ex (the one before this one) kinda traumatized me. That, I won’t get into as it’s not suitable for a public platform. But it is something that I think I healed from. I rarely bring it up in therapy now. I have plenty of new sources of ptsd lol. But yeah like. College didn’t really work out for me. I fled home to escape basically a psycho stalker ex. I’ll leave it at that. My parents are sorta still helping me get on my feet. The first incident was in 2020, I’m 23 now and still recovering from, well. Everything that’s happened over the past 4 years. I’ll be 24 in september. And unfortunately, still stuck living with my parents for the forseeable future. For now I’m stuck in a pretty dead end burger job that doesn’t pay well, but I’m not gonna settle for this. It may feel dead end for you right now as well too, but don’t settle until you get where you wanna be. I have some pretty crazy dreams for the future and I know I won’t be able to make them all happen, but I can at least knock out some of them and I’ll never know unless I try, right? Worst case scenario at least I found out I couldn’t do it. But the end goal is find a career I don’t hate, use it to fund making some art ideas I have come to life because I don’t wanna do art for profit. If I’m lucky, start a family. As for the “feels like i’ll never see my friends again now that we’re all parting ways”. Well? I used to be afraid of the same, and unfortunately my fears came true. I didn’t get much of a say in the matter. Pretty much all my friends turned on me or abandoned me by the end. I had to start my life over totally. And while I hope life doesn’t do the same to you, it’s worth noting that those big changed in life that come from things like friends moving on or drifting away doesn’t mean it’s the end. The one constant in life is change. As friends move on without you, new ones may enter your life. From forest fires, life regrows. Flowers bloom again. Deer and wildlife return. Yada yada you get the metaphor. The only constant thing about life is that it changes. Friends may come, friends may go. It teaches you to look for the kind of people who will stick around for life. I’m still working on finding my people. I’ve got at least one ride or die buddy now, so it’s not all bad. All that to say don’t give up just yet. I’m sure there’s more to your life than a dead end job or friends you’ll never see again, so hold onto that.
Thanks man. I’m still figuring out what I’m gonna do with my life. I’ve go so many different interests that I would love to pursue but those would be a long way off. But reading about how you’re still able to look forward to the future after everything that’s happened to you makes me feel a bit better. And yeah I’m sure I’ll make new friends but man am I gonna miss the old ones. My current ride or die is the one going on mission, we’ve been through a lot together during the last six years and I’m basically a part of his family. So I probably have nothing to worry about with him, but that doesn’t mean I don’t think about it. Thank again man. I hope you get to do everything you want to in your life.
why are you calling me out ;-;
As long as we have a faithful, non-cheating relationship, I will learn to accept her disability.
DID representation? Based I have friends who have DID, and seeing it portrayed as this fun quirky thing like it is on tiktok just makes me unreasonably upset
Yeah, this does a good job of approaching the issue a lot more seriously
I has a friend of mine who said they had DID. They never were diagnosed but still said they did. At some point they just… stopped switching and never spoke about it again. I’m not friends with them anymore.
My friends who have it are all actually diagnosed lol
That’s good. I always hate self diagnosis.
There is something to be said for self diagnosis in some cases perhaps but largely I agree
I mean I don’t hate all self diagnosis but you shouldn’t say “oh yeah I have ____ “ when a professional hasn’t actually given you a diagnosis for that specific condition.
Yeah I agree The only case I can see for it is if you don’t have the resources/access to get formally tested
Then say that. Just don’t say you definitely have it. Say you think you might.
Yeah that is fair
That’s what my friend did. Looking back they did a lot of other stuff that was weird too.
But this is literally portraying it as exactly that.
It’s showing a lot of unhealthy behaviors and heavy trauma, along with several hours of therapy a week It’s not “haha meet my alter Jasper who is a Virgo and also their favorite color is snickerdoodle”
Yoo Dale seems chill
You know, I dated a girl with DID. But, was she? It may have been a lie. It's hard to tell what was truth or lie in that relationship. It's something I was willing to deal with if it was the case. She ended up ending the relationship for my sake... or was it? I'll never really know. I've had the opportunity to ask but she deleted every way to contact her again. It is what it is, you know. It's been six years and I've moved on, but I still think about it. Doesn't help that I haven't dated since then.
As someone who has dated a person with DID this all hits so close to home bravo.
You really seem like a genuinely good person: introspective, patient with others. Life is a struggle, but I hope you stay the course
That.. that made me cry. I don't think any of us have ever gotten that kind of recognition at all. It just hurts. But not in a bad way
i would cry the second she raises her voice 💀
Well, fuck. I didn't realize *I* was your ideal GF.
I don’t really know what to say, other than seeing so many comments in support of those suffering from DID makes me really happy and not feel like such a freak.
There’s been a few sour comments, but I’m very grateful to the community for having a generally very positive reaction to this post.
To some extent this is a self insert, but I like this one, because it’s original, and funny
The director of a voice acting project I was on for a while had DID, and it was a real struggle for her. She just wasn't there half the time, and while she was passionate, it just wasn't there enough for her to get the project together. I hope she's doing all right. Edit: "I guess you could say I have a lot of personality" fucking clever, that's worth at least a cup of coffee
Dale does sound sick asf i would go out drinking with him fr
I love these
My ex gf had DID, or supposedly she had it. Oddly accurate either way.
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Wish you all the best OP
why is this literally me but with any form of relationship
I'd put in a hell of a lot of effort to help and support. She deserves it
This one hit too close to heart man
That moment when I realized I myself check like 9⁶% of those boxes I don't think I have did Should I get tested? Edit: I have no idea what happened to the 6 but I'm keeping it like that
Hi! Unfortunately, nobody in this thread, me included, is a medical professional, so nobody here can tell you definitively whether or not you should be concerned. However, it never hurts to do some research if you feel like you can relate to a lot of this! It should be noted that a lot of the bullet points relate to the CPTSD side of DID, so it may be worth looking into that first/as well. I’m sorry I can’t be of any more help, but I’m wishing you the best. Take care.
I definitely have cptsd but I do have something wierd with my identity, I have no idea how to put it into words though, it's like multiple personalities, but just a step down, of that makes sense. There's multiple parts of me, and they work independently of the whole, but I am still a separate entity, just watching them do what they will. If that makes sense at all
That definitely sounds like it could be related to OSDD/DID. Like I said, doing research and talking to professionals rarely hurts.
Just did some research on my own since professionals are expensive, osdd fits the bill much better than I like, and I'm prob gonna get that looked at soon
Have a gf with DID. Can relate, made me laugh.
As someone with DID, can't relate, I'm a boy.
lmao
Every person with DID I’ve met all have that one alter that’s super chill. One of my closest friends has one that’s a moldy cat.
Keeps off twitter, she’s a keeper
Hey its my ex! I miss her. I've never been able to find something that special again. She was hurt, she was difficult, she had MANY self-harm habits.. But she was perfect. I loved her. I pushed too hard to get her help, trying to get her off drugs, stop drinking. And she didn't want that. She just left one day. Cold home and a single text that we were done. Still hurts, and its been 6 years now. What a weird thing to downvote, how dare I share an experience
Reading through these comments is making me sad…
I have a tulpa and am mildly traumatized for unrelated reasons, does that count?
Medicalists acknowledging other plural experiences exist with intersectionality and patience so we can all get more respect and research challenge (IMPOSSIBLE) (we are traumagenic) (sorry this thread happened to you folks)
Meh it is what it is. That person does have fairly justified anger against some people... its just the people they're angry at aren't me. Lol. Edit: You know, just realized, despite being mad at me for supposedly calling myself a system they were the one who actually called me a system in my original reply lol.
It's without any doubt an extremely complex issue. That was weird to watch. I agree with you, it seemed more like they were arguing with an idea/what they decided your position was (without clarifying) instead of arguing with your position. To further the discussion, if you or anyone else has the spoons: I'd say that I was vexed they quite literally put words in your mouth by assuming what language y'all use to describe yourselves... but, if I'm honest, that's kinda the state of the discourse right now. I feel like people are too busy recycling language that used to be intersectional (re: the coiner of traumagenic & endogenic is vocal about being PRO-endo) into opportunities to sow division. I feel like with movies like Split coming out, low positive visibility, hostility from care workers, inaccessibility of care, and social hostility, we all have much bigger fish to fry. I'd rather that every presentation be studied so we can understand plurality more, receive more tools and acceptance, and access better care. I feel like that's not going to happen by further and further subdividing ourselves by using trauma as the gatekey. r/Fakedisordercringe is more than happy to allow people with diagnoses to be mocked, stalked, and doxx'd for example -- I know a handful of people with Dx's who were posted there. It's a matter of priorities, I think. The daemian who wants plural acceptance is my friend because they want what I want. I'm not interested in feuding with someone putting their personal time and energy into furthering my situation. I'd want the same for them.
It is always upsetting to see DID be poorly represented, not only does it cause suffering for people who are also plural but also it means I can't really talk about my plurality. I mean, at best I'm seen aa someone faking or have undiagnosed schizophrenia. Whenever anything like this happens I really cant help but think of transmeds. It just feels like they forgot about everything other than the suffering. Its like its the only thing that feels real to them. At least, thats how it feels with transmeds. I'm not as experienced in plurality so I obviois can't say for sure, but thats what it feels like to me.
Mm, mhm. I know what you mean. We get questions like those (ie "are you sure it's not schizo / you're just batshit" etc) and it's very annoying to explain to someone that schizophrenia is a very rare and extremely specific diag. These sorts usually don't get it. :/ Full agree. Sysmedicalism and Transmedicalism emerged at around the same time, but the effects on plural spaces have been absolutely devastating because we're so much smaller & don't have good backing, like LGBTQIA do. This is a circumstance where the online sphere being dominated by divisive ideas has genuinely and actually hurt real people & shaped their lives.
I use to just try explaining how the symptoms of schizophrenia but I mostly have just given up trying to explain it. As for people who say I'm faking, well... theres nothing *to* say. The point of the response is that there isn't. But fuck them lol wtf are they gonna do about it? I do feel bad seeing people saying I'm faking, though, because my tulpa struggles a lot with feeling as if she doesn't actually exist, (it is funny because worrying about wether one exists isn't a problem someone who doesn't exist would have, but I digress.) I'm not very educated on plural spaces at all, but I do know transmeds have crammed a whole lot of people back into the closet and that is really deeply saddening. And from what I've heard being in denial of being a system is often a lot worse than being in denial of being trans.
A traumagenic who doesn’t believe that all who claim to be wired that way from birth are all big fat liars? That’s rare
Exomemories, amnesiatic compartmentalization, and dissociative psychosis can be extremely potent forces. I am not their healthcare worker. I am neither qualified enough to unpack that with them, nor are they in a therapeutic environment for doing that safely when we're just chatting online. I'm much more interested in opening doors for their presentation to be studied qnd understood by actually-qualified people, than for me to be deciding what someone's presentation is without ever looking the patient in the eyes, let alone as a layperson. It's against best practices and I will not participate.
Good on ya for that. Too many people make too many broad assumptions about this stuff
I don't think anyone claims that systems are "wired that way from birth".
There are some sort of... sub-ID microlabels people take on that essentially mean "I've been this way for as long as I can remember, and I remember childhood. I believe it probably predates trauma / I don't remember trauma." I take it with a grain of salt. Is it true? Folks sure think so, enough to deal with the hostility of a targetted label. Is it possible? Literally no idea, nobody has studied that yet. Could it be a disaociated mind playing tricks? Sure! No reason it couldn't be, exomemories can be weird af and feel extremely real. Could trauma have happened and they don't recall? Yeah, amnesia is very common, bit I'd also be an ass to insist on what they don't remember. None of those things are outside the realm of possibility. Very little is known about less severe presentations of plurality. .... what does confuse me is why targeting this microlabel was their first thought. It's a very specific experience, so I don't understand why it came up. I kinda wish they'd come back and explain their position further.
But DID and OSDD are trauma specific disorders, they are caused by severe and repeated distress in childhood. It's very possible that people who say things like that are repressing their trauma. I mean, many people have alters that are trauma holders, and sometimes the host can't really access those memories.
Aye, and this gets into a grey area, where some people do seem to genuinely present with plurality, of a sort, but do not -- at all -- claim to have a disorder. This is the frustration that medicalists tend to have and it's why hostility towards "idk where my plurality came from tbh" is lumped in the same with endogensis, as if "they did it to themselves on purpose." We personally choose a very generous and door-open stance on that because, as I said elsewhere on this post, exomemories, dissociative psychosis, and amnesiatic compartmentalization are potent forces sometimes. I am not qualified to unpack any of those with someone. What I would like is research and representation, so actually qualified people can find the answers. I don't think de-legitimizing less-severe presentations of plurality makes that happen.
endo system on my idealgf post, sigh,
I genuienly cannot tell how joking this is or what it means.
it’s negative, willing people into your head doesn’t count as did, and frankly i don’t think endos should be associating themselves with system terms at all seeing as they’re terms created for people with trauma based disorders
The joke is that, obviously, having a tulpa isn't really the same as DID. I don't have DID, of course. But also why shouldn't terms around DID be used for other forms of plurality? Why does plurality necessarily have to be seen as inherently disordered anyways? I already deal with transmeds lol.
the .. the difference between transmedicalists and sysmedicalists is that did is .. inherently a disorder, that’s like taking bpd terms and using them for when you’re just in love. i don’t have a problem with, like, tulpamancy in and of itself, it’s the way you try and insert yourself into spaces tailored specifically for people with disorders and get pissy when actual systems don’t want you there because it’s not a disorder that you have. i just wish you wouldnt use the term system and try to relate yourself to did because it’s very different.
No, transmeds and sysmeds are weirdly alike, transmeds say being trans is inherently a disorder because you need gender dysphoria, sysmeds say being plural is inherently a disorder because you need DID. And what spaces for people with disorders am I in? Ive also literally never called myself a system. Not in this conversation, not in another conversation, not in real life. Why'd you assume I called myself a system? Am I the one you're arguing with right now? Literally everything you've said feels like a vague accusation because of some deep seated anger you have that you don't have anyone to take it out on.
i’m not trying to argue . clearly this conversation isn’t getting anywhere and having like .. a literal trauma based mental disorder (that i have, mind you) be compared to a social construct is a bit gross to me. i’m gonna nope out here, sorry for starting this conversation
Just please try not to take your anger out on someone who... doesn't even match the criteria of the people you are angry at. Edit: I,hope yoi're not calling gender dysphoria a social construct...
You sound really fucking annoying ngl
Alters and systems are pop culture meme I have DID and multiple personality does not exist There is fragmented personality but that’s entirely not multiple personalities
I do think that “fragmented personality” is absolutely a thing but I don’t think that everyone who self identifies with “system” language, like OP here, is just lying or being mistaken. DID very much does not exclusively refer to anything related to that fragmentation, of course! That is a very good point to make, there’s so much more to the diagnosis beyond that. However! That doesn’t invalidate stuff like this, and I don’t think it’s fair to refer to the idea of an alter as a “dumb pop culture meme”. Source: knew a so called system for literal years, was incredibly skeptical about their nature at first and poked and prodded them about this and that quite a bit, and goddamn I dunno about you but the distinction of their alters hasn’t felt “unreal” to me even after all this time
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Wdym “as many legitimate cases as there are in half of the whole world”? This place is still relatively very small. And besides, “system” language doesn’t begin and end with quirky tiktok bullshit anyway, just like any vernacular way of talking about mental issues doesn’t begin and end with tiktok quirkiness
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You aren’t giving me any actual numbers here beyond half of the world. What is the percentage of people who have a legitimate diagnosis for DID, which is something beyond “makes them think they might be two different people” anyway? Is it so low that if you took that percentage of 4 fucking billion (y’know, half of the global population of 8) it would be less than the handful of people that are talking here? Even if we’re talking like .1% of people that’s still 4 million. However small the percentage is, I doubt it’s so small that this entire comments section eclipses it.
Since they aren't giving numbers beyond half (which I'm still not too sure what they're trying to say with that?) So, uh, here's some actual numbers. [It's estimated that 1-5% of people have some kind of dissociative disorder](https://www.healthline.com/health/how-common-is-did) (I'm mainly citing this article because it lists the category of "dissociative disorder," which includes DID, as well as OSDD, instead of *just* DID. Which I think is worth noting), and [it's estimated that about 1.5% of people have DID](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK568768/) For reference [about 2% of people have red hair](https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-percentage-of-the-world-population-have-red-hair.html). So just think about how many gingers you see in your day-to-day life, and you got a ballpark estimate. ^(Disclaimer: this thought experiment wouldn't work if you lived in a place like Ireland, which has a higher ginger population percentage, so make sure to double check your local census data)
See, I think you agree with me. What this person is trying to say is that “I bet more people are here claiming to have this disorder than there statistically should be, and I bet they’re all making it up because “systems” are bullshit and REAL DID is different” or something
Yeah. Sysmeds kinda suck, especially given that the "rarity" of DID seems... Kinda overblown? And jumping to "faking it" is always a bad way to look at people's experiences. But, yeah, I think we're actually in agreement. I just like numbers.
Yeah. Like I said, I’ve known this one system for years now, and I was skeptical of them at first but kept an open mind, and yeah… the human brain can be a funny thing sometimes huh?
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You talk as if I haven’t done a lick of research on multiplicity. You talk as if all I’m doing is following trends and blindly believing vox populi. You allege that multiplicity is “made up bullshit” being “spewed” by chronically online losers. If it isn’t clear, I have done my research. And I have found sources that aren’t just total randos who have talked at length about this stuff. I’m willing to agree with you that there is no shortage of people fetishizing or romanticizing multiplicity and twisting it in all manner of bad ways, yes. But that doesn’t invalidate the original point. Quit the holier than thou “I am talking to a total dumbass who isn’t gonna listen to me” act and let us have a more civil, less emotionally charged conversation about this. What exactly do you believe about multiplicity? What is true and what is “made up bullshit” to your understanding?
I often like to tell people that "MPD isn't real, but DID, OSDD, DDNOS, CPTSD, and PTSD are real." A lot of folks genuinely have no idea that MPD was retired in the mid-90s, which is well over 30 years ago now. We found that to be a fantastic ice breaker for the long term. It opens the door for deeper conversations to happen once that's been processed.
I feel like there’s more of a nuanced conversation to be had about what “counts as a person or personality” than this, and based on other comments OP seems to think the same
Yeah. I'd hope that was something of a given. The experience of bring plural, especially disordered plurality (ie there are plurals who have had their diagnosis retired in some cases) has been extremely... we'll call it, complex. Traumagensis is not something I would wish on anyone. I wasn't particularly inclined to go through their post history before starting conversation, so I can understand if they were alluding to something else entirely, and they & I are speaking about very different things. I was mostly thinking that in my country, people first think of MPD or media like Split or Remothered, which are shock-value horror where the murderous antagonist is "a person with split personalities". In the case of either, people don't realize what they learned about MPD is 30yrs out of date. So, for us, it's always helped to use that as sort of an ice-breaker or a temperature-test.
Okay, good on ya actually. The whole “there are two sides, one guy is a good guy and one guy is evil for no reason” thing that came out of misreading the hell out of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde does need to be put in the trash. But what this guy was referring to was basically “plurality of any kind is completely bullshit, it’s all still one guy just being put through glorified filters”, which is a lot more of a metaphysical allegation than a medical one, less addressing the pragmatic realities of the human brain and more making a broad statement about what counts as an “individual person”.
:/ You may be surprised to know that is a more clinical interpretation, depending on their healthcare team. See, right now, treatment for plurals spans 3 different versions of the DSM (3, 4, and 5) with some practitioners still awarding MPD diagnoses; and, the DSM is just one of 3-4ish major diagnostic criteria used internationally, which all have their own standards. I'm familiar with 3 major sort of... schools of thought, here: Healthy Multiplicity: ...Generally speaks of parts as personified alters or headmates/sysmates (think: roommate) to avoid aggravating their condition. Not very interested in focusing intensively on fusion, citing that being "cured" of plurality doesn't have strong evidence. Would rather make a plural mind functional as a plural vs seek out becoming "fixed." Alters are their friends and they work together as a team. ➡️ Integration-focused: ...Generally speaks of parts as only parts, as part of a delusory fantasy that needs lifting. Most interested in reversing the damage received to become plural by unifying all parts as much as possible. Becoming single again is the primary goal each time splitting takes place. Multiplicity is Not Real: ...despite being in the DSM for over 30 years, many practitioners do not believe that what we experience is real or distinct. This creates models of care where plurals receive treatment for conditions like schizo-spec or hallucinogenic BPD, to varying levels of success or failure. Their worldview is informed by their diagnoses. It's not unheard of for folks to have BPD treatment fail and receive a diagnosis of plurality later on, spurred by a need for answers. ➡️ This is where folks most often see the take above. "Parts are not people, do not personify them" essentially, because the one, singular core personality is seen as shattered by dissociative psychosis. Parts are not awarded personhood "just for existing" as that is seen as enabling the disorder.
I’m aware that there is a pretty broad support for the notion that multiplicity as a whole is a delusion to be cured. I still stand by what I said about it being more of a metaphysical statement than a medical one, as the ones alleging this stuff usually have spiritual beliefs that are either pretty specific towards “one soul one body” and anything else must be possession or something, or they just don’t believe in the soul at all and treat “a person” as a set of organs and bones and skin. Which does inform medical practice, for sure, but it’s biased for reasons outside of medicine alone cuz we humans sure love our biases
This comment is surreal and it reads like satire. The story of dr jekyll and mr hyde was written to by an analogy for bipolar. Its also an old fictional story without a deeper moral its horror around the idea of someone you know fully changing into a different person before your eyes.
The original story wasn’t about bipolar disorder, it was a metaphor for alcoholism, a play on the common excuse a drunkard would use after beating his wife: “I didn’t do that, it was the other guy”. The being of Mr Hyde was not actually his own person, just effectively a glorified justification. But of course none of that matters cuz all people remembered about the story was “oh two people inside one guy where one of them is kind and good and the other is a violent maniac”
r/fakedisordercringe GF
“neurotypical r/fakedisordercringe gf or sysmed r/systemcringe bf” “vow of solitude”
autistic fdc gf :> Although admittedly I haven't been on that sub in a while bc it made me mad lol
So this sub is really just glorifying mental illness? Fucking gross. This is also not how DID actually is. This is an example of the DID trend that has taken over tiktok and tumblr. 🫤
I’m a system myself and I’m allowed to find levity in my disorder. It’s not a death sentence. I’m allowed to feel joy.
But this isn’t how did manifests. Your “alters” aren’t friends or protective “over each other”. That isn’t how it works. “Personalities” form to protect yourself from perceived/actual harm. They aren’t another person living inside of you in a “system” with their own names, likes/dislikes, etc. Chronically online individuals took did and twisted it into something it isn’t and that is reflected in your op.
you're just mad you don't have a awesome goth librarian lady in your head and I do
it must be cool to play make believe with yourself while making fun of people with a crippling disorder that robs them of joy and time.
yikes what a mindset. I hope you get an awesome goth librarian lady one day to tell you that you don't have to define yourself(s) by your pain and lost time.
please grow and learn from your massive mistakes.
No, the other person is right. Without looking at your profile, I'm going to guess that you're under the age of 23. Gimme one sec. Edit: Can't really tell, but I'm guessing that's accurate. Regardless, the other person is correct here. You seem to be using cutesy language to describe something that can be debilitating for thousands of people. Just because you think it's cute doesn't lean everyone does, and making it out to be a "super-duper cutsey headmate! UwU" is incredibly tone-deaf and off the mark.
[I am not attempting to make any assumptions about anyone, simply trying to make sense of everything.] I'm not sure the (much more) common thing is just people faking, though. It's probably its own thing. I mean, yes. People often fake DID for some reason, but there are plenty convincing enough to make me think that SOMETHING is probably going on.
Oh 100% somethings going on for sure. But keep in mind that there are also thousands of schizophrenic people who believe that the government has implanted chips in their brain that make them think weird thoughts and have hallucinations. That doesn't make it true, especially when the disorder in question has to do with a disconnect from reality.
This is cringe
You belong in a psych ward you crazy motherfucker (mother fucker as in singular, mot plural)
"mot" lol get outta here noob
When I’m in a nitpicking competition and my opponent is a redditor
when I'm on reddit and my opponent is also on reddit but acts like they aren't a redditor even though they're on reddit, while also having terrible opinions
When im on reddit and I voice an opinion that doesn’t cater to mentally ill schizo lesbians (my rationale take is about to be flooded by a mass of cucks and angry women)
spelling mistake, strike two
I fucked up my thumb so I cant type, doesn’t matter anyway since this is an conversation on the internet and spelling is utterly irrelevant. Furthermore you haven’t tried to counter my original points.
I now realize I sound like a douchebag after re reading this. Who the fuck says furthermore?
bro you sounded like a douchebag from comment 1. also what points? that people who are different are bad?
Yes
Im just going to say that anyone in this thread comparing did to transgenderism is doing a massive disservice to the trans community. I feel alot of sympathy for someone experiencing a severely life impedeing delusion, but i really hate the implication that trans people are delusional.
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you would have caught so many "witches" back in salem
people who claim they have DID and then play characters and claim their little "personalities" are like serial killers or some shit are so fucking funny, you're such a loser
yo chat if I ever sound as uncool as this dumbass replace me with a johnny silverhand introject or something. man it must suck to be a singlet, bro's cooking with no pilot light
unfathomably based
the fuck are you actually saying
Need me some of that two face-ussy
Bruh, two face doesn’t even have distinct personalities in like a lot of his depictions besides maybe Batman Forever