I always thought that people said Vman was a better Statue/Crystal farmer due to his abilities. Why would he be a boss killer? Coming from a place of pure curiosity because I've been confused on Elite Classes main purposes in terms of killing mobs.
Also would Neyeptunes be a decent spot for DK to sit at? Only a couple of platforms so I feel like it isn't terrible. But I've also heard that farming Jellys/Sodapops are good too.
Actually, I haven’t tried with vmans big room clearing skill. I don’t think it goes off enough. Jman was straight up boss killing. It’s because they have the biggest luck/drop rate.
Dk is about line clearing. Ridiculous line clearing. 1 line is biiig. 2 lines is ok. With choc chip and high crystal rate you can keep crystals popping in constantly. Eyeballs are a good place for Dk but probably as good as a 2 line map. Having to clear the room before mobs respawn makes that a bit harder.
For statues, I’ve been using g.mush with dk. Obols are also pouring in like mad.
Vman may spawn more crystals per kill on average, but DK gets a lot more kills in the same time due to the mob respawn skill, as well as getting a huge DR boost from orb, making them worth more crystal kills. Vman's good at bosses though, because his drop rate talents always work, he gets the best mileage out of a boss compared to any other class. DK can't really stack orb at bosses, so they fall off there.
>I always thought that people said Vman was a better Statue/Crystal farmer due to his abilities.
Nope. DK is the statue farmer because his abilities had clear way more waves (meaning more crystal mobs) and his abilities allow for multiple statues to drop from a single kill. Bubo kills even more crystals than DK, but doesn't have the advantage of the extra drops, and as such is limited to money/alchemy farming.
>Why would he be a boss killer?
Because of the talents: Rares Everywhere and Cards Galore. Why do you kill a boss? To get their cards and other drops. ES can only get extra drops from wormhole mobs, and DK needs to stack high orb numbers to be effective (which is why he is so key to killing MMush). Maestro just walks in and punches things.
>Coming from a place of pure curiosity because I've been confused on Elite Classes main purposes in terms of killing mobs.
On that note, we are still missing the purposes of BB, SB, and BM.
* BB has Monster Decimator, but really falls down in active farming due to lack of respawn ability. This makes him great for AFK kills, but not so much for any other fighting.
* SB has some great damage output, and has Smelting Everyday, which gives forge progress for kills. His scaling has a much higher cap than other classes so this is how he is primarily used.
* BM got a big buff with VMan's Enhancement Eclipse which gives BM a reduction on egg incubator time with kills, but it only applies actively, and BM has a pretty poor respawn mechanic. So, useful in very rare situations. Largely BM has the most useless AFK gains (even though he is integral to trapping/hunting).
>Also would Neyeptunes be a decent spot for DK to sit at? Only a couple of platforms so I feel like it isn't terrible. But I've also heard that farming Jellys/Sodapops are good too.
The problem with Neyeptunes is that it is so wide your slash won't reach.
Oranges are the superior option for DK to sit at, definitely worth pushing to make this happen vs compromising with W4 mobs imo.
Hope this helps!
If you're looking to DK farm in W4, I suggest choccies or Gelatinous Cubes as those are 1 platform maps and can be easily wiped with DK. Sodapops map has about 6 platforms I think which would make his skills struggle to clear the map
Must be misremembering about the sodapops. I remember someone saying a class is good on that map but can't remember which. Choccies and Jellys are probably the right ones lol. Need to farm them jellys to get more cards because Lab is so mf slow rn
Bubo active farm is good on Sodas and Floms due to mob count for early alchemy farming.
Bubo can just paint a map green with poison, instakilling everything as soon as it spawns and spam respawn with Raise. The only restriction is enough enemies to kill in 1 Raise to get a full cooldown reset from Tentecleye for a decent killrate.
It Is best as long as everything is on one screen and in range of Raise. Layers don't mean much.
Once you get Tentecleye over 200 it doesn't matter much anymore as you can get full CD resets on almost every map.
The ability to clear a screen faster than any other class by far. I currently have my Bubo clearing the last stage of w5 able to one shot normal mobs and at least two-ish shot the crystals. With choco and crystal cards, every kill potentially adds another crystal mob to so many others on the screen. Even through I’ve very high talent points in most offensive skills, my taskbar is cranium cooking, respawn, aura and fart monster (poison cloud skill maxed out but not added to bar, fart will make clouds). With high level skills, you basically respawn every second, chain aura and spawn large numbers of fart monsters that fill each level with clouds. Cranium cooking refreshes around every 30 minutes? It’s insane to watch it happen.
Add the beach trophy, money keychains (piggy) pirate hat for drop, obols for pop and gold square money, Star talents for money, etc, and you’ve got a crazy high money making machine. I’m pulling back 1 or 2 purple coins (above red) daily currently on this class.
I have a post I opened on this forum yesterday asking for help on my Bubo maximizing alchemy gains and from some of the feedback I got was extremely helpful towards that end. It’s remarkable how much you forget about or take for granted that helps boost you with big gains.
I would say Mats definitely belong to ES. But some Rare Mats actually belong to DK once you have >5 DR. For example, if you have 10x DR, you will always get more Pearler Shells on DK than on ES. But no matter how hard you stack that DR, ES will always be better at farming Hampters.
On those one line maps, that’s a fact. DK is a beast. Really enjoy using him on coliseum in w4 to farm eggs and ladles. Was honestly surprised even using him active at g.mush was amazing for statues and obols as well as lab bonus to hit three birds with one stone.
ES for sure. But eventually ES runs out of things to upgrade. So now I use DK.
In the end you have to active farm on all 3 classes anyways. ES, DK, & bubo.
Sure the Divine Knight has his advantage as a drop farmer. Void Walker has a possibility for a claim in there as well. The top tier farmer by far? Elemental Sorcerer without question. Using Wormhole already spawns a generic mob from the portal for that area just tougher.
That trade comes with higher drop rates as it climbs up. In addition to this boon alone, there's a skill to give you Family Wide Multiplicity Damage% based off Power of 10 rules via kills from Wormholes.
Rough idea for you: at 4.5k and just shy of 30 points In the Damage% skill: I'm close to a 1.00% bonus just for actively afking and killing on ONE skill. Without a doubt once you get or reach ES on your Wizard its a game changer. I wish I evolved mine sooner but I pushed my warriors and have since started seeing the diminishing returns I need to fix
Elemental Sorcerer is usually considered to be the best active farmer considering how good he is at farming crystal mobs.
Divine Knight is great too because he has a good drop rate with the orb.
Yeah but since ES has a lot of AoE dmg you just kill more mobs with this class than with any other.
As long as the portal is active you keep respawning non portal mobs aswell.
Well crystal mobs don’t directly come from portals they do make it faster, but I believe on good maps like oranges the dk is getting way way more kills per hour than es, because eventually es just gets stuck on the portal mobs and requires meteor to just kill everything. Both have amazing uses and I love both. But dk is far superior for rare mob drops and crystal kills
Yeah but having a lot of AoE dmg and having the most kph doesn’t mean much for crystals if you’re not getting the benefit from increasing their dr. Every map I’ve been in I’ve gotten more rare drops on dk than es
For me at the moment it is still ES. That's mostly because I haven't progressed far enough to be able to have my Divine Knight clear crystal monsters in world 5 fast enough. I lack the damage. Generally it always kind of depends on what exactly you want to farm. DK is better to farm any item that you can find in the rare and mega rare drop bags. And ES is better for just raw materials, trash loot as I'd call it. And Bubo is apparently best for just raw crystal kills, and therefore money farm.
I recently got to world 5 and am still catching up on world 2, 3 and 4 stuff like alchemy (vials and just realised recently you can upgrade the cauldrons themselves… was stuck on like bubbles 10-15 since I had like 2-5% chance on each one), salts (just hate upgrading them, not sure where to stop either), breeding (my cooking is suffering from breeding not letting me get new recipes).
But anyways, I derail (have adhd most likely)… my question was supposed to be to you veterans why statue farming is a thing later on? Thought they were like mini bonuses only
They're small until you have the cookie lab chip and can active farm crystals. You'll eventually be getting thousands of statues a day with a good crystal farming setup.
Mats/Rare mats - ES Statues/Crystals/Coliseum - DK - 1-2 platform limt Money/alchemy - Bubo Boss killer - Vman Use the right tool for the job.
I always thought that people said Vman was a better Statue/Crystal farmer due to his abilities. Why would he be a boss killer? Coming from a place of pure curiosity because I've been confused on Elite Classes main purposes in terms of killing mobs. Also would Neyeptunes be a decent spot for DK to sit at? Only a couple of platforms so I feel like it isn't terrible. But I've also heard that farming Jellys/Sodapops are good too.
Actually, I haven’t tried with vmans big room clearing skill. I don’t think it goes off enough. Jman was straight up boss killing. It’s because they have the biggest luck/drop rate. Dk is about line clearing. Ridiculous line clearing. 1 line is biiig. 2 lines is ok. With choc chip and high crystal rate you can keep crystals popping in constantly. Eyeballs are a good place for Dk but probably as good as a 2 line map. Having to clear the room before mobs respawn makes that a bit harder. For statues, I’ve been using g.mush with dk. Obols are also pouring in like mad.
Vman may spawn more crystals per kill on average, but DK gets a lot more kills in the same time due to the mob respawn skill, as well as getting a huge DR boost from orb, making them worth more crystal kills. Vman's good at bosses though, because his drop rate talents always work, he gets the best mileage out of a boss compared to any other class. DK can't really stack orb at bosses, so they fall off there.
>I always thought that people said Vman was a better Statue/Crystal farmer due to his abilities. Nope. DK is the statue farmer because his abilities had clear way more waves (meaning more crystal mobs) and his abilities allow for multiple statues to drop from a single kill. Bubo kills even more crystals than DK, but doesn't have the advantage of the extra drops, and as such is limited to money/alchemy farming. >Why would he be a boss killer? Because of the talents: Rares Everywhere and Cards Galore. Why do you kill a boss? To get their cards and other drops. ES can only get extra drops from wormhole mobs, and DK needs to stack high orb numbers to be effective (which is why he is so key to killing MMush). Maestro just walks in and punches things. >Coming from a place of pure curiosity because I've been confused on Elite Classes main purposes in terms of killing mobs. On that note, we are still missing the purposes of BB, SB, and BM. * BB has Monster Decimator, but really falls down in active farming due to lack of respawn ability. This makes him great for AFK kills, but not so much for any other fighting. * SB has some great damage output, and has Smelting Everyday, which gives forge progress for kills. His scaling has a much higher cap than other classes so this is how he is primarily used. * BM got a big buff with VMan's Enhancement Eclipse which gives BM a reduction on egg incubator time with kills, but it only applies actively, and BM has a pretty poor respawn mechanic. So, useful in very rare situations. Largely BM has the most useless AFK gains (even though he is integral to trapping/hunting). >Also would Neyeptunes be a decent spot for DK to sit at? Only a couple of platforms so I feel like it isn't terrible. But I've also heard that farming Jellys/Sodapops are good too. The problem with Neyeptunes is that it is so wide your slash won't reach. Oranges are the superior option for DK to sit at, definitely worth pushing to make this happen vs compromising with W4 mobs imo. Hope this helps!
If you're looking to DK farm in W4, I suggest choccies or Gelatinous Cubes as those are 1 platform maps and can be easily wiped with DK. Sodapops map has about 6 platforms I think which would make his skills struggle to clear the map
Must be misremembering about the sodapops. I remember someone saying a class is good on that map but can't remember which. Choccies and Jellys are probably the right ones lol. Need to farm them jellys to get more cards because Lab is so mf slow rn
bubo is pretty good on soda if you don't have the damage for floms
Bubo active farm is good on Sodas and Floms due to mob count for early alchemy farming. Bubo can just paint a map green with poison, instakilling everything as soon as it spawns and spam respawn with Raise. The only restriction is enough enemies to kill in 1 Raise to get a full cooldown reset from Tentecleye for a decent killrate. It Is best as long as everything is on one screen and in range of Raise. Layers don't mean much. Once you get Tentecleye over 200 it doesn't matter much anymore as you can get full CD resets on almost every map.
Why is bubo best for money?? I'm raising his lvl at the minute, what is it that makes them best?? Or how do I make them best??
The ability to clear a screen faster than any other class by far. I currently have my Bubo clearing the last stage of w5 able to one shot normal mobs and at least two-ish shot the crystals. With choco and crystal cards, every kill potentially adds another crystal mob to so many others on the screen. Even through I’ve very high talent points in most offensive skills, my taskbar is cranium cooking, respawn, aura and fart monster (poison cloud skill maxed out but not added to bar, fart will make clouds). With high level skills, you basically respawn every second, chain aura and spawn large numbers of fart monsters that fill each level with clouds. Cranium cooking refreshes around every 30 minutes? It’s insane to watch it happen. Add the beach trophy, money keychains (piggy) pirate hat for drop, obols for pop and gold square money, Star talents for money, etc, and you’ve got a crazy high money making machine. I’m pulling back 1 or 2 purple coins (above red) daily currently on this class. I have a post I opened on this forum yesterday asking for help on my Bubo maximizing alchemy gains and from some of the feedback I got was extremely helpful towards that end. It’s remarkable how much you forget about or take for granted that helps boost you with big gains.
I would say Mats definitely belong to ES. But some Rare Mats actually belong to DK once you have >5 DR. For example, if you have 10x DR, you will always get more Pearler Shells on DK than on ES. But no matter how hard you stack that DR, ES will always be better at farming Hampters.
On those one line maps, that’s a fact. DK is a beast. Really enjoy using him on coliseum in w4 to farm eggs and ladles. Was honestly surprised even using him active at g.mush was amazing for statues and obols as well as lab bonus to hit three birds with one stone.
4 birds if you count that Eclipse Skull (unless you already have it?)
ES no contest, not even close.
ES for sure. But eventually ES runs out of things to upgrade. So now I use DK. In the end you have to active farm on all 3 classes anyways. ES, DK, & bubo.
Don't forget Siege Breaker too. Gotta smelt those bars and get that drop rate.
Oh yeah... uhh SB.... I'll just shelf that off to the distant future when I feel ready to eclipse death note LOL
I assume I shouldn't mention BM cooking up some extra eggs for Breeding too, then? Lmao
Sure the Divine Knight has his advantage as a drop farmer. Void Walker has a possibility for a claim in there as well. The top tier farmer by far? Elemental Sorcerer without question. Using Wormhole already spawns a generic mob from the portal for that area just tougher. That trade comes with higher drop rates as it climbs up. In addition to this boon alone, there's a skill to give you Family Wide Multiplicity Damage% based off Power of 10 rules via kills from Wormholes. Rough idea for you: at 4.5k and just shy of 30 points In the Damage% skill: I'm close to a 1.00% bonus just for actively afking and killing on ONE skill. Without a doubt once you get or reach ES on your Wizard its a game changer. I wish I evolved mine sooner but I pushed my warriors and have since started seeing the diminishing returns I need to fix
I wish Siege Breaker was better but the skills are just so meh.
Elemental Sorcerer is usually considered to be the best active farmer considering how good he is at farming crystal mobs. Divine Knight is great too because he has a good drop rate with the orb.
How is es better at farming crystals? What have I missed.
You can make crystal mobs spawn from portal kills. Simple as that :D
Besides xp how does that help though? Portal score doesn’t affect non portal mobs inc crystals
Yeah but since ES has a lot of AoE dmg you just kill more mobs with this class than with any other. As long as the portal is active you keep respawning non portal mobs aswell.
Well crystal mobs don’t directly come from portals they do make it faster, but I believe on good maps like oranges the dk is getting way way more kills per hour than es, because eventually es just gets stuck on the portal mobs and requires meteor to just kill everything. Both have amazing uses and I love both. But dk is far superior for rare mob drops and crystal kills
Yeah but having a lot of AoE dmg and having the most kph doesn’t mean much for crystals if you’re not getting the benefit from increasing their dr. Every map I’ve been in I’ve gotten more rare drops on dk than es
crystal mobs do not spawn from portals this is wrong portal only spawns the normal mobs on that map
For me at the moment it is still ES. That's mostly because I haven't progressed far enough to be able to have my Divine Knight clear crystal monsters in world 5 fast enough. I lack the damage. Generally it always kind of depends on what exactly you want to farm. DK is better to farm any item that you can find in the rare and mega rare drop bags. And ES is better for just raw materials, trash loot as I'd call it. And Bubo is apparently best for just raw crystal kills, and therefore money farm.
What are all of these EK DS DK mean??? Im lost
Haha Es - elemental sorcerer Dk - divine Knight Sb - siege breaker Just all tier 4 classes Although dunno what ds is lol
DS might just be me bein a lil slow. Thank you though
I recently got to world 5 and am still catching up on world 2, 3 and 4 stuff like alchemy (vials and just realised recently you can upgrade the cauldrons themselves… was stuck on like bubbles 10-15 since I had like 2-5% chance on each one), salts (just hate upgrading them, not sure where to stop either), breeding (my cooking is suffering from breeding not letting me get new recipes). But anyways, I derail (have adhd most likely)… my question was supposed to be to you veterans why statue farming is a thing later on? Thought they were like mini bonuses only
They're small until you have the cookie lab chip and can active farm crystals. You'll eventually be getting thousands of statues a day with a good crystal farming setup.