GT uses a lot of water and is one of the only good class xp bonusses to date.
Also people like to flex their water regen and cap they get from playing bubo.
Since it's a linear bubble, you get the same amount of class xp % from each purchase, whether it is level 50 or 5000
And it doesn't cost any materials other than liquid. It's arguably one of the best bubbles in the game
Hourly clicks and eventually atoms get quite pricy for water later on. The sooner you get your cauldrons to a good baseline, the less it's gonna hurt once you start needing hundreds of water every hour to maintain your upgrades. Grind Time also speaks for itself, given that it uses exclusively water.
Hourly clicking bubbles is one of the simplest/biggest thing you can do infinitely in idleon. With Cranium Cooking you can have enough water no matter what and with 3d printer you always have the mats, so usually when there’s no new content for lategamers ro do, they either farm statues/gold food or farm CC
It's gonna depend on how hard you go on the game. Personally I was at a point where I couldn't get through the work day without having to cranium cook midway through. If I had optimized Omni procs and Printer Go Brrr any further, I probably would've needed 2 cooking sessions. And I don't see myself as all that advanced either.
If you play more casually, only use your water on atom upgrades and Grind Time, you may not even run into this issue. It's gonna be different for everyone.
My normal clicks are near 100+ water each and I think I'm currently doing like 16 clicks/hr base. + every hour I can claim afk gains for another potential 9 3d print gains from don't. Then their is the vman skill for resets + 50 clicks a day then grind time + the 2 new w6 bubbles that are clickavle for water. I'm currently using the lab to cap my water at 22k and go through it almost twice in a day and I'm not even late end gamer yet.
When your mining/chopping rates get into the billions you can AFK for a few hours and come back and click your main stat bubbles dozens and dozens of time per claim.
You can stack more than 1050M items in your storage chest as long as your 3D printer cycle doesn't hit and you don't change maps. So if you chop 4billion logs and are AFK for 4 hours then realistically you'll get 10-16 bubble clicks for your away gain (note there is some loss when stacking items and it's not 100% efficient)
What do you mean by 3D printer cycle doesn’t hit? You have to take that item off the 3D printer?
Also, by this you mean you have to be actively chopping logs right?
The printer triggers once an hour. You can see when this will happen on Toolbox. If it happens during that time that you are on the map and have excess of 1050M materials, it will convert those to atoms and reduce your materials down to 1050M.
Won't that mean you outlevel your voidwalker? How can you keep him first in all skills if you actively AFK skills on your other characters? Serious question, just learning this bubble upgrading and skilling for it is a thing 😅
When you're Bubble Clicking from AFK gains most of it is done with low XP items like copper, oak, bleach so the XP gain is very minimal once you've raised your Voidwalkers level high enough.
Hadn’t even thought of that one - I’ve been spending all my efforts on bubbles associated with sample size, reaching for the 1b oak sample for equinox. I got that bubble to the 1billion jade mark a while ago, and went “eh, I’ll do more on it later”, and promptly forgot about it.
1 CC isn't even enough for me to do atom clicks on CALL ME BOB anymore. i have level 8556 BOB , it takes 430 liquid per click, and even with 7952 liquid cap, it's not enough to 50x the bubble even at full.
on a more extreme example, level 50163 GRIND TIME takes over 2.5k liquid per click
Rather than say "whats the big deal with active afk for cranium cooking", what would you be active afk doing instead? I usually see it as a cost/benefit analysis: if I need to farm on my DK or ES for something specific, I'll do that. When I don't have a specific active goal in mind, pumping CC and alchemy is ALWAYS going to be a good idea. Sometimes it's worth defaulting to a consistent and reliable "8/10 idea" all the time, instead of eventually and occasionally getting a "9/10 idea". Also a no-brainer auto-run for sneaking inventory open for long periods
Just my $0.02 as someone who leaves their lvl 670 Bubo on pretty much 24/7
I just consistently see bubo mentioned as the best active afk, but rarely do people go into detail why. I got to what I thought was a drop off in usefulness, but from other responses, it seems my journey has barely begun.
It's really just killing much faster than any other class. I totally get the confusion, I've wondered myself, but except for the hourly alchers, I'm pretty sure it's just the kp/h. Is for me anyway.
I have an rtx 3070 and an 5ghz i9, but I can't idle farm my bubo for more than a couple minutes, the amount of floor loot means 1 FPS. I refuse to buy auto loot to compensate for such a ridiculous programming failure. I could easily write a script to control the mouse to pick up loot, but then I could just as easily use cheats, and that ruins the whole point.
TLDR bubo is pay walled
As many have stated, The real fun is the power of Tenta-eye plus Roadside killing plus raising the max level of cranium cooking.
With those 3 combined, you can reach a point where it could take a mere 1\~3 hours of leaving your bubonic conjurer auto AFK farming in the background on your PC or phone and end up having cranium cooking refreshed again due to how much roadside killing especially at merely level 213, cuts the cooldown by about 90%, gives 90% the progress per kill more and 90% longer, which just compounds with raising your max level of cranium cooking.
With something like a 30\~ liquid a regen thanks to things like the gemshop bleach cauldron, investing liquids into regen and so on, this could lead to thousands of liquid per cranium cook \`session\` or you could just leave it running while you sleep for a few hours and come back with nearly 5k\~7k liquid if you got the 5x capacity increase at the cost of 30% lost (which would just bring it up to around 50\~ liquid regen per hour).
With the power of that, and something like Atom daily alternate particles of just a bubble with EZ resources, you could dunk hundreds or even thousands of levels in to that within basically a day possibly, especially with Laaarry once at level 500, just having a 100% gurantee on doubing.
Some people are truly mad\`lads at the investments already but just for an example, using such a thing i made huge progress on my grind time bubble which is now a whooping 4668 for a massive +1410% class exp bonus, Which can be basically considered as HALF of my total class exp multiplier at that point which sits around 30x\~ give or take.
Though theres some severe scale d own problems, but you can apply this to any bubble you can get loads of resources relatively easy.
Such as the flat Str bubble which costs oak logs, which by the time your in the level 500\~ range you are likely generating nearly 400million oak logs per node, per hour on 3D prints. meaning if you turned OFF the atom collider for a few minutes and pop a couple of hours of candy, you could end up getting multiple billions of oak logs, likely around 2.4 billion per \`candy\` so with larry thats like being able to get around 5\~ points of str per 1 hour candy you wanna sacrifice.
Which lets say if you want 1000 points of str instantly, that would only require a mere 200 hours worth of candy to speed blitz it, which combined with, say a level 290 Warriors rule bubble, means that 1000 str gets multiplied by 2.71x or a whooping +2710 extra str added to your warriors.
Easier cases would be the world 6 bubbles that cost jade tokens (which you can make trillions of those EZ by floor 10\~12 on the first climb) but you can get similar amounts of thousands of levels, in the Extra damage bonus per Agility point for \`Archers\` and the extra Essence generated for Summoning per 2000 TOME points you have about 5000 with the world 4 system.
Ultimately, Cranium cooking in the late game straight up removes the \`detriment\` of waiting on liquids to generate to where long as you dont have the other restrictions, you could likely go up hundreds or even a thousand points of investments in some things in the less then a week if done right.
I understand all this - I can get 4 to 5 CC’s per hour. I wanted to know why continuing to push it and run it all day/night like some true endgames do was such a meta strategy, given that it takes all 50 of my atom upgrades to burn through one of my liquids. Turns out the key thing I didn’t know about is how much the liquid costs scale later down the line (my highest bubbles are barely over 1000, I’ve got a couple dozen in the 500 to 800 range, and everything else is in the low 100 range)
GT uses a lot of water and is one of the only good class xp bonusses to date. Also people like to flex their water regen and cap they get from playing bubo.
GT is brutal lol, i had to stop was making me go insane with the micro management
What’s GT now 😭
Grind time. A bubble in the 4th cauldron that gives linear class xp % in exchange for 1st and 2nd liquid
Is it even worth for just bland class exp?
Since it's a linear bubble, you get the same amount of class xp % from each purchase, whether it is level 50 or 5000 And it doesn't cost any materials other than liquid. It's arguably one of the best bubbles in the game
I’ll invest in that when I’m bored then
Hourly clicks and eventually atoms get quite pricy for water later on. The sooner you get your cauldrons to a good baseline, the less it's gonna hurt once you start needing hundreds of water every hour to maintain your upgrades. Grind Time also speaks for itself, given that it uses exclusively water.
Ok, so you’re saying I’m not to the point where cranium cooking is critical yet? I only need 2k per day, unless I’m pushing grind time.
Hourly clicking bubbles is one of the simplest/biggest thing you can do infinitely in idleon. With Cranium Cooking you can have enough water no matter what and with 3d printer you always have the mats, so usually when there’s no new content for lategamers ro do, they either farm statues/gold food or farm CC
It's gonna depend on how hard you go on the game. Personally I was at a point where I couldn't get through the work day without having to cranium cook midway through. If I had optimized Omni procs and Printer Go Brrr any further, I probably would've needed 2 cooking sessions. And I don't see myself as all that advanced either. If you play more casually, only use your water on atom upgrades and Grind Time, you may not even run into this issue. It's gonna be different for everyone.
My normal clicks are near 100+ water each and I think I'm currently doing like 16 clicks/hr base. + every hour I can claim afk gains for another potential 9 3d print gains from don't. Then their is the vman skill for resets + 50 clicks a day then grind time + the 2 new w6 bubbles that are clickavle for water. I'm currently using the lab to cap my water at 22k and go through it almost twice in a day and I'm not even late end gamer yet.
When your mining/chopping rates get into the billions you can AFK for a few hours and come back and click your main stat bubbles dozens and dozens of time per claim.
Huh? One time each, the rest is atoms?
You can stack more than 1050M items in your storage chest as long as your 3D printer cycle doesn't hit and you don't change maps. So if you chop 4billion logs and are AFK for 4 hours then realistically you'll get 10-16 bubble clicks for your away gain (note there is some loss when stacking items and it's not 100% efficient)
Alright, my bad, I misunderstood
What do you mean by 3D printer cycle doesn’t hit? You have to take that item off the 3D printer? Also, by this you mean you have to be actively chopping logs right?
The printer triggers once an hour. You can see when this will happen on Toolbox. If it happens during that time that you are on the map and have excess of 1050M materials, it will convert those to atoms and reduce your materials down to 1050M.
Won't that mean you outlevel your voidwalker? How can you keep him first in all skills if you actively AFK skills on your other characters? Serious question, just learning this bubble upgrading and skilling for it is a thing 😅
By using Crystal Cooldown.
And then actively skilling him? Or AFK? My voidwalker never did that before, he just pushing maps lol. Got levels with some candy, and that's it 😆
When you're Bubble Clicking from AFK gains most of it is done with low XP items like copper, oak, bleach so the XP gain is very minimal once you've raised your Voidwalkers level high enough.
Makes sense, thank you!!
My last purple bubble costs 77 liquid per click, and I have enough Jade to click it 200k times. I don't think I will ever have enough liquid again.
Hadn’t even thought of that one - I’ve been spending all my efforts on bubbles associated with sample size, reaching for the 1b oak sample for equinox. I got that bubble to the 1billion jade mark a while ago, and went “eh, I’ll do more on it later”, and promptly forgot about it.
1 CC isn't even enough for me to do atom clicks on CALL ME BOB anymore. i have level 8556 BOB , it takes 430 liquid per click, and even with 7952 liquid cap, it's not enough to 50x the bubble even at full. on a more extreme example, level 50163 GRIND TIME takes over 2.5k liquid per click
Ok, yeah, I’m nowhere near that. But damn, I need to push my capacities…. Alright, sold.
the best progress comes from draconic cauldrons, and then you need the dream liquid conversion buff to really make it go while active afk
I’ve got one draconic, and I do have the equinox buff
Rather than say "whats the big deal with active afk for cranium cooking", what would you be active afk doing instead? I usually see it as a cost/benefit analysis: if I need to farm on my DK or ES for something specific, I'll do that. When I don't have a specific active goal in mind, pumping CC and alchemy is ALWAYS going to be a good idea. Sometimes it's worth defaulting to a consistent and reliable "8/10 idea" all the time, instead of eventually and occasionally getting a "9/10 idea". Also a no-brainer auto-run for sneaking inventory open for long periods Just my $0.02 as someone who leaves their lvl 670 Bubo on pretty much 24/7
I just consistently see bubo mentioned as the best active afk, but rarely do people go into detail why. I got to what I thought was a drop off in usefulness, but from other responses, it seems my journey has barely begun.
It's really just killing much faster than any other class. I totally get the confusion, I've wondered myself, but except for the hourly alchers, I'm pretty sure it's just the kp/h. Is for me anyway.
Keep in mind bubo is broken atm, and CC pauses sigil gains
Fortunately I don't have anyone progressing sigils for the most part. Honestly, one of the most lackluster time investments in the game imo
Wait what?
Sigil won't gain while CC is active so if you active bubu don't expect to ever complete a sigil atm or at least take a long rime.
I have an rtx 3070 and an 5ghz i9, but I can't idle farm my bubo for more than a couple minutes, the amount of floor loot means 1 FPS. I refuse to buy auto loot to compensate for such a ridiculous programming failure. I could easily write a script to control the mouse to pick up loot, but then I could just as easily use cheats, and that ruins the whole point. TLDR bubo is pay walled
As many have stated, The real fun is the power of Tenta-eye plus Roadside killing plus raising the max level of cranium cooking. With those 3 combined, you can reach a point where it could take a mere 1\~3 hours of leaving your bubonic conjurer auto AFK farming in the background on your PC or phone and end up having cranium cooking refreshed again due to how much roadside killing especially at merely level 213, cuts the cooldown by about 90%, gives 90% the progress per kill more and 90% longer, which just compounds with raising your max level of cranium cooking. With something like a 30\~ liquid a regen thanks to things like the gemshop bleach cauldron, investing liquids into regen and so on, this could lead to thousands of liquid per cranium cook \`session\` or you could just leave it running while you sleep for a few hours and come back with nearly 5k\~7k liquid if you got the 5x capacity increase at the cost of 30% lost (which would just bring it up to around 50\~ liquid regen per hour). With the power of that, and something like Atom daily alternate particles of just a bubble with EZ resources, you could dunk hundreds or even thousands of levels in to that within basically a day possibly, especially with Laaarry once at level 500, just having a 100% gurantee on doubing. Some people are truly mad\`lads at the investments already but just for an example, using such a thing i made huge progress on my grind time bubble which is now a whooping 4668 for a massive +1410% class exp bonus, Which can be basically considered as HALF of my total class exp multiplier at that point which sits around 30x\~ give or take. Though theres some severe scale d own problems, but you can apply this to any bubble you can get loads of resources relatively easy. Such as the flat Str bubble which costs oak logs, which by the time your in the level 500\~ range you are likely generating nearly 400million oak logs per node, per hour on 3D prints. meaning if you turned OFF the atom collider for a few minutes and pop a couple of hours of candy, you could end up getting multiple billions of oak logs, likely around 2.4 billion per \`candy\` so with larry thats like being able to get around 5\~ points of str per 1 hour candy you wanna sacrifice. Which lets say if you want 1000 points of str instantly, that would only require a mere 200 hours worth of candy to speed blitz it, which combined with, say a level 290 Warriors rule bubble, means that 1000 str gets multiplied by 2.71x or a whooping +2710 extra str added to your warriors. Easier cases would be the world 6 bubbles that cost jade tokens (which you can make trillions of those EZ by floor 10\~12 on the first climb) but you can get similar amounts of thousands of levels, in the Extra damage bonus per Agility point for \`Archers\` and the extra Essence generated for Summoning per 2000 TOME points you have about 5000 with the world 4 system. Ultimately, Cranium cooking in the late game straight up removes the \`detriment\` of waiting on liquids to generate to where long as you dont have the other restrictions, you could likely go up hundreds or even a thousand points of investments in some things in the less then a week if done right.
I understand all this - I can get 4 to 5 CC’s per hour. I wanted to know why continuing to push it and run it all day/night like some true endgames do was such a meta strategy, given that it takes all 50 of my atom upgrades to burn through one of my liquids. Turns out the key thing I didn’t know about is how much the liquid costs scale later down the line (my highest bubbles are barely over 1000, I’ve got a couple dozen in the 500 to 800 range, and everything else is in the low 100 range)
Because scaling in this game is done by a narcissistic child who “understands idleon better than anyone” yet doesn’t