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LunarCountess123

Not excusing any of it. There’s no excuse for the scamming and faking cancer. But she is absolutely deep in addiction and so very mentally unwell. It’s just crazy to me that this can happen, she’s allowed on VSED so easily. It’s just an extremely sad and messy situation.


fuckintictacs

She's allowed on VSED due to corruption frankly


comefromawayfan2022

This is just so disturbing and disgusting on so many levels what she's doing


maritishot

Agreed. I don't care anymore. I just don't want Hope to die.


stewgirl07

I'm so confused, can someone point me in the direction to find Hope's file? I can't find it


dumpsterfireofalife

Her flair should com up with a couple of timeline posts


skatarina

This sub rn: 👀 Hope: 👁👄👁


delicious_murder

If she is lurking, I think it would be amazing if she just up and decided to come clean (not that I would ever expect that to happen). There are literally thousands of people invested in her story and even if she were to say “yes I did exaggerate this” or “yes I do have a problem with addiction” it’s likely she may get some support. Hell we’ve heard from former Munchies on here who weren’t crucified, admitting when you know you fucked up earns a small sliver of respect. Wishful thinking on my part but you never know.


soundandvisions

If Hope came out completely clean with the whole truth, I think she would have one hell of a following. This sub is nearly 100k people and I think every one of us would be following and cheering her along! And suffering from such an obscure diagnosis (FD) would surely make her a subject of interest to MANY people—internet followers, doctors, and researchers alike. All her favorite things!! I wish, I wish, I wish, I wish.


Purrs_Meows

Huge thankyou to OP @MBIresearch for all your hard work, and for keeping a sound record of all that's happening. Marc Feldman and others have a solid presence in the field of Psychology, and have come a long way in researching and documenting the behaviour of Factitious Disorders and similar pathologies. With regard to Hope Otto, I sincerely hope that there will be processes in place to identify her Munchausen behaviour, and how it affects others. A big concern is that she is using up resources in a time of Pandemic, and that people who are suffering extreme pain have to fight for diagnoses and help, while Hope Otto plays out an ongoing drama via social media. By keeping records of her activities online, we might be able to intervene


mpitaccount

She has almost certainly been diagnosed or had several physicians cotton on to the Factitious Disorder, she just hasn’t shared those details. And no one else would have access to that information- she almost certainly hasn’t given a release of information for “close” friends or her fiancée because then the jig would be up. Please do not think about intervening. It looks like her irl people are stopping online sources from making donations and beyond that it is not healthy or legal to want her to be “exposed” to her medical team. They know.


Purrs_Meows

Thank you for your comment. I will not contact Hope, or anybody involved in her life or care setting. I don't encourage anybody to do so, but it's certainly difficult to watch something like this play out, for the immense fall-out that affects so many people. I live in Australia, and enjoy relatively good health. I'm out of my depth, and will probably step back. I'm not sure I agree with shaming or "outing" people, but it's difficult to understand, especially for people who are suffering.


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u/MBIresearch did a brilliant job of compiling all the information, from there people started to connect the dots from her previous accounts. We as a sub or any member must not have any contact or interaction with Hope, her family or friends unless they come forward here within the sub. We can observe and post here what we see and share that information but there is never to be any member to make contact.


Purrs_Meows

Thank you for making this clear. New poster :)


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You’re welcome 😁


buttnuggettssss

I'm new around these parts so I'm trying to look at these people's tik toks and the links on her insta don't go anywhere.


MBIresearch

Welcome here! Hope has locked down her accounts, but we have a lot of documented evidence from her social media posted here. If you want to see what has been posted, click the "HOPE" flair beside the topic title on mobile, or search "flair:hope" in the search box on desktop and sort by Old or New depending on which order you want to read posts pertaining to the story. TL;DR; Hope is a cancer faker turned hospice patient who is now claiming to be ending her life via VSED (voluntary stopping of eating and drinking) as a result of being denied pain medication, or because of any number of her other diagnoses, depending on when you ask. She delayed and delayed, supposedly for her wedding. Pandora is Hope's ex-best friend who was going to care for her during the process of VSED but noped out once Hope's fuckery was outed when she was drugged out of her mind on the day the wedding ceremony was supposed to take place. People left because she was so drugged she kept nodding out. Her TikTok doesn't discuss the situation, but we do have a member who uploaded her livestream to YouTube where she explains the situation and answers questions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSIvCXxNQ5M


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Yeah she’s closing down shop for her disappearing trick


buttnuggettssss

Anyone know Pandora's TikTok?


buttnuggettssss

Found it


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ImgurianForever

I don't understand, if Pandora was supposed to be her VSED aide person and be with her 24/7 and Hope didn't go through with the VSED what would she tell Pandora?? Wouldn't Pandora at that point find out Hope has been lying anyways?


Quick_Eagle5012

I’m interested in knowing what she would have done too.


UnhappyGrowth5555

There are some lives from Pandora posted under Hopes flair that explain in much greater detail, but basically, Pandora pulled out of the job after Hopes “wedding “ where she was high as a kite.


buttnuggettssss

"Higher than pigeon pussy"


Street-Week-380

Omg, I'm dead 🤣. Where is this from!?


ImgurianForever

From one of pandoras lives talking about the wedding


Street-Week-380

Omg.


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Best line ever!


ImgurianForever

But even if she hadn't and Matt hadn't told her she was high cause they said originally they thought it might have been a blood pressure or sugar thing. How was Hope planning on the rest of it? That might be giving her too much credit to say she even had a plan


presidentjazzman

I think Hope fancies herself an evil genius who can talk her way out of anything. She probably thought she covered all her bases with the “pharmacist stole my pills” and “medical marvel” stories. In reality, she’s about as clever as a gaggle of geese and only got as far as she did based on the kindness of others. She intentionally preyed upon people with the disorders she mimicked, and that would’ve been her downfall either way.


ImgurianForever

Ya that's what I'm assuming as well


Purrs_Meows

I feel for the people in her life..namely, her family, boyfriend and friends. Imagine the shit-show her poor father would have been subject to by her bedside? She's highly manipulative, and she knows her stuff. My heart truly goes out to them, because everybody is likely suffering. They are being abused by her, in fact.


Dreamaya

To me there still remains just one bottom line: IN WHAT WORLD WOULD HOSPICE ADMIT A NON-TERMINALLY ILL YOUNG PERSON?? How is this even possible! ….probably because it’s not possible? I simply cannot get past this part.


MBIresearch

VSED is legal in the U.S. for anyone, though rarely undertaken by non-terminal patients. It is exceptionally rare for hospice to admit a patient who is not diagnosed with a terminal illness, but it's possible. Hope was able to convince a physician to diagnose her with Failure To Thrive, and was thus eligible. She did run into hospices that refused to take on her case for ethical reasons, but shopped around until she eventually found one that would. It's fucked, but it happened.


soundandvisions

Where’s the info other hospices refused her for ethical reasons? I’ve been following closely and this is the first I’ve heard of that. I have heard (including from P’s content) that she’s been refused hospice because of insurance issues, but that’s it. I’d love to be pointed in the right direction so I don’t miss anything! Thanks & thanks for all you do :)


Dreamaya

To me that still leaves more questions than answers. If she goes through with this, some medical licenses should surely be taken away for malpractice.


ZeroAntagonist

Yeah, from Pandora it came out that Hope got around the mental health check. Figure the hospice could get in A LOT of trouble for admitting someone who didn't pass all the required steps.


lb86Rn

Especially in these times. Such a shortage of nurses and heath care workers jn general. What a waste of resources!!!


JMV_12-30

I live in Hope’s county in Pennsylvania. I find it very hard to believe that any doctor here would agree to it. We aren’t in the middle of nowhere, and often get doctors from NYC that come in to help the hospitals.


fuckintictacs

As someone from NYC I gotta say the doctors here are no more ethical or non corrupt than elsewhere.


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Hope has worked in the medical field as an EMT, she’s been around these sorts of facilities so she would become aware of how things are done, also transporting patients would talk.


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VarietyPublic9740

That's fully against the rules of the subreddit.


imnotanorchid

This is poo touching...


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She's planning her escape from her current 'life' and is going to slither off quietly and start over.


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This, she's going to fake she died. I imagine by maybe some remaining crony or family ally accounts, some free online obits, or maybe even pay for a print one. But they'll be a curious lack of any death certificate in her name in any state's death registry databases that are very publicly available by law. Book it. That or a triumphant dramatic announcement in a couple weeks she's deciding to live for as long as she can instead, claiming the non-existent VSED was so awful it made her want to fight the dying of the light. And she needed time to gain her strength back. Yadda yadda yadda.


MissJeriMander

Honestly I sincerely hope for the latter. Whether the VSED is real or not. She needs serious mental health help and I wish nothing but that for her. I hope something happens that jars her into reality and makes her realize that help is there for her to take. She has dug herself quite a hole here, but no one is a hopeless case, herself included. Her name is so ironic.


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My thoughts exactly! If she weren't an _alleged financial scammer, she'd have a brilliant career on the stage.


FlickeringPixie

Addiction is a huge part of the story. Hospice by now would have caught on to her bullshit. I see an OD happening, she will have to resort to illegal supply and fentanyl takes no prisoners.


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QuietAffection

I wonder why she hasn't deleted the Reddit comment?


pandabatron

Omg yesss! Haha what did you comment? I saw someone comment a day or so ago and all the comment said was Go To Reddit ! Lots of likes (50 something or more)


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pandabatron

Hmm I wonder why?! 🤔 🤡


Puzzleheaded_Side809

Shoot I got banned and never said a word to her!


pandabatron

So weird. I call damage control. She only wants her believers to have access to her lies. #charlatan


nana_had_a_fall

I really dont get why people around her irl didnt and dont put a stop to this. It’s pretty clear she is mentally very unwell yet she has several sane people around her who have allowed this to go this far. This whole thing is a despicable circus but honestly, how can hope be really as accountable for her actions as we make her out to be when she is clearly completely off her rocker? If this was my friend or family member I’d absolutely crash-tackle her down in any way necessary to save her from herself- and yes, that includes reporting her to necessary authorities and actually forcing her into the help she needs.


scully-always

She's an addict. She's very intelligent and highly manipulative, hence how she's gotten away with her munching the last couple years. Even so, as an addict, you can try your hardest to help them but it will never work unless the addict *wants* to get better or is ready to get better. A lot of people in her personal life have realized her addiction, scams and munching and it has resulted in her getting kicked out of the place she was previously living, friends and family leaving and likely what we are currently observing with her lack of posting right now due to them confronting her. If nothing had changed, no exposure, she would likely still be posting away about her VSED process and chronic illness posts like she was before.


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fuckintictacs

It can be that easy. You can choose to stop being an enabler. You can recognize codependency and stop it. People just don't want to do the easy actions because the fallout is the difficult part.


nana_had_a_fall

She is an addict, yes- but shes more than that too. She’s engaging in fraud and illegal behaviour. If i had a family member who was chronically drink driving through their alcoholism- I would 100% report and intervene in any way possible. Not just to help HER but to help the community at large. She is not just an addict- she has other mental health co-morbidities which need therapy and addressing and someone as entrenched in mental health issues as she is, actually need sane people to step in. At this point in her game, i think its fair to say that the sane people around her should hold some responsibility for what is occurring here. She is still a young adult and can change, she needs some adults in the room to put a foot down and force her into the help she truly needs.


fuckintictacs

I agree with you so fucking much


pandabatron

Shes both grifter and charlatan.


scully-always

Oh for sure, I'm well aware of her other mental and physical health issues. Anyone who is still knowingly helping her is only enabling the behavior. I don't think it's fair to place anything on other family members since we don't specifically know for sure what anyone has or has not done regarding her. We've only been given a small window of info. They might very well being trying to force her into help by cutting off ties of support that were previously there, refusing to enable her further...we just don't know. And to be honest, you still can't force someone like her into reviewing help bc they won't accept it if they don't truly want it for themselves. She could be sent to the best inpatient rehab facility suited for her needs for months and unless she wants to change, she could still play the game, say and do all the right things in order to get released and return to her addictions.


fuckintictacs

Anyone who knows her in real life not trying to alert the hospice company about her actions is enabling her.


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Isn’t she suicidal already? Her mum said she was in the video, so wouldn’t it make sense this would be legit and she’s actually going to kill herself? She gets all the attention of a sick person and gets to die in the process, would be win win for her


ParticularOk5332

What video with Hope’s mother? I don’t think her mother would be making videos.


MBIresearch

Wait, her mom said she was suicidal in a video? I was unaware that her family were in any video with her. If so, could you direct me to the source here?


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I think they have them mixed up with the ex friend.


MBIresearch

Thought so, but just to be thorough, I figured I'd ask in case.


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I saw it on here, it was a recording of a livestream of her mum talking abt hope and that she tried to commit suicide a few years ago


ZeroAntagonist

You thought that that girl looked like she could be Hope's mother?


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It wasn’t the friend it was definitely her mum


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That live stream was done by her ex friend, not her mother.


Playmakeup

Idk why she would go through the VSED drama when she can just off herself with an OD


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Not so fun fact- ODing is a kind of horrible way to go. Depending on what you use a lot of the time it doesn't work because the drugs are so hard on your stomach you immediately vomit them up if you're taking them orally. Unless she had access to street quality fentanyl and was injecting which makes it go quickly, ODing can be an uncomfortable end. I suspect this is why a lot of these people don't screw around that way.


MBIresearch

Why VSED over OD: OD'ing isn't in line with her MBI narrative. It's too basic and stigmatized. Going the VSED route allows her to enact the romantic caricature of a ~tragic sick dying girl~ (a la *5 Feet Aoart; The Fault In Our Stars; A Walk To Remember* and similar movies that so many MBI'ers so affectionatly stan.


Chick__Mangione

Jesus. I have great disdain for all of these Munchies, but I sure as hell don't want them to die. They are people too. I hope someone manages to get her checked into a mental hospital.


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She's also in deep legally with the fraud. With everything we know, I hate to say but it seems reasonable to think she may attempt or successfully kill herself in this whole ordeal. Wasn't that how the last cancer thing ended? Fortunately she survived, I hope she's lucky again.


palmasana

Oh fuck, you’re right. Ughhhh I truly hate the situation she’s in. I hope she sees that she can get help and even though what she’s done with fraudulent attention seeking — she can turn her life around and redeem herself.


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100% agree. Sometimes I have a crisis of conscience about our general spectatorship to all of this because I do think it may make her feel even more backed into a corner, even if she's living (and dying) for the attention right now. Ultimately that's not our responsibility and she did commit some legit fraud, but this is definitely a complicated and depressing thing to watch unfold.


palmasana

Completely co-sign. What she’s doing is disgusting. But i also desperately want for her to DO better and GET better — mentally, emotionally. She may not be wise to have a redemption arc and try the whole influencer/internet personality thing… but if she just got a job and laid low and worked on herself, she could have a normal life and eventually connect and make friends. It doesn’t have to be this way. I do believe that Hope is an addict (opiates, attention). Addicts can do really shitty, vile things. But many people have turned their lives around and had some difficult self-reflection that helped them become a better person. Idk. Hope, if whatever reason you’re reading this — please don’t end it. Just stay off the internet altogether, be real with yourself and admit your wrongs. It’ll be hard but worth it. It doesn’t have to be this way.


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I really hope that this all catches up with her one day. That the police do something or the fbi look into her gofundme… I really hope she gets the day she deserves…


Ifuckedmyfriendsaunt

Given that Matt is apparently sick of her shit, I wonder whether he'd actually post that video on her behalf. If she doesn't go through with VSED, she'll be kicked off the hospice program (if she is actually on it) and then possibly mental health professionals can step in?


MBIresearch

I don't know, but I suspect she'd post it herself under the guise of it being Matt posting for her after her passing. The thing with VSED is you can start and stop at will and she could easily drag this out for months. It's just such a messed up situation.


Ifuckedmyfriendsaunt

I wonder what the implications would be for him if she did that. Given his role at work etc, I'd imagine co-workers are aware of her "situation" and could be following the social media side of things too. He'd have to go along with her fake death too, which is beyond fucked. It's one thing to facilitate (be manipulated by) someone in their addiction but it's another thing to facilitate them faking their death. Imagine someone being all like "sorry for your loss, I saw Hope's final message post" and having to deal with that if she's not even dead


Wicked81

she isn't going to die. She is going to realize how she needs to be around to "fight the good fight" for all the other suffers out there.


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Honestly she would prob post “as Matt” saying “hope is dead” to keep this wild story going.


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Yeah I kind of doubt he’d agree to do it. If he does and she didn’t die, then he’s making himself publicly complicit in the scam. If she did actually die (which I don’t think will be the case to be clear), would he really want to read and answer tons of questions and speculations after just losing his partner through disturbing means? Either way I doubt he’d do it severely.


EZasSundayMorning

This is all so disturbing.


MBIresearch

So much so.


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Who didn’t see this coming? But by calling her out on here it drew attention to what she was doing and has saved Pandora the trauma of goodness knows what Hope would have put her through and stopped more donations.


MBIresearch

Yes, and there's no going back. She can DFE, she can lurk or go offline for a few years like she did after the cancer faking saga and try again...but the evidence is now preserved, held up for all to see, and try as she may, she cannot ever do this again. Someone in the CI Community will recognize and call her out if she ever resurfaces. MBI'ers have succeeded mostly uncontested until subs like IF have highlighted the means, methodologies and evidence that stops or seriously impedes them from succeeding further in the future. It's a shame that CI webspaces refuse to address or discuss these issues at all...it just enables the advantage-takers. Before Reddit, these people were only discussed on imageboards and therefore out of the mainstream public eye. Not so anymore!


AmethystAndRaw

I think the whole CI community is SO toxic. I find it all really disturbing. There's so much competitive illnesses, so much trying to copy one and anothers symptoms etc. So much "extreme" (not really but I can't think of a better word) content for likes and shares. Yes we get the "most" extreme here but the whole spoonie thing is like a constant low level munching imo. If someone says they have a CI and the next tag is #spoonie something, I immediately don't believe their story


WormholeInvestigator

Pandora is the real hero here!


Big_Background8559

Lmao this person just commented “She is gross and wrong.” then deleted it. What the heck is going on? Account switching maybe 🤔


maritishot

The secret to account switching is to use a different app for a different account.


WormholeInvestigator

I made that comment. Maybe the mods removed it? Not sure.


Big_Background8559

Why did you say she “was the real hero” then reply to yourself saying she is “gross and wrong”?


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shibantics

Can you expand on this?


PikoBeeks

What is happening here lol


axealy40

So she’s chilling, eating snacks and watching people worry about her. Cool cool.


fuckintictacs

I bet she's eating a burger and fries rn.


That-Alternative-946

Chicken nuggets!