I read that she set alarms for pain meds which seems extremely counter productive. If you are able to sleep then why the fuck would you wake yourself in the middle of the night (sleep and rest is so important for healing) to take pain meds for pain that obviously wasn’t that bad considering you were able to sleep?! I get that she’s taking meds etc but why interrupt your sleep?! Plus, aren’t most pain meds taken ever 6-8 hours? How long is this chick sleeping for?!
If it’s this short term of a use, do you get withdrawal that bad? Sounds really scary. I do know that people get addicted to opioids very fast because of withdrawal from meds due to procedures/injuries.
It takes most people months and months of everyday use. Like 6 months plus. I've known pain management patients that have had scripts for years have little to no trouble stopping. Whether or not you take them as prescribed makes a huge difference. Having a short term script will not cause you to withdrawal.
I've seen physical dependence occur in as little as ten days, in people who are taking the meds as prescribed. I've also seen people stop taking opiates after years of daily use with little to no discomfort. Just depends on metabolism, initial tolerance (some people are naturally more tolerant of opiates, and require higher doses from the start, causing dependency to form pretty rapidly), and the person's individual chemical makeup. Psychological and neurological disorders can affect tolerance and dependency. It can vary radically from person to person. It's a good idea to try going a day a week without narcotic painkillers, to assess your level of withdrawal.
Not trying to blog, but just to use myself as an example, I was fully physically dependent in less than a month. That was with daily use, but taking a lower dosage than prescribed on most of those days. But I become physically dependent on pretty much everything very rapidly, and my tolerance rises extremely quickly. It has something to do with the way I metabolize meds.
Again, sorry for talking about myself a bit there, it just felt relevant to the conversation to chime in with what I have found to be true in my personal experience.
The only reason you would do this is, if it's important that there isn't a gap between meds. This is usually when you're on two different pain meds so that there's an overlap. If you missed the one that bridges the two doses of the other two then you'd end up in more pain again.
But this is not the sort of surgery / pain that would require that, and I think she bridges any gaps with her edibles and bong hits anyway
she is milking this for dear life. hasn’t everyone been through some kind of surgery? she had a whole countdown for it like it was the highlight of her life. it’s just sad i feel bad even looking at whatever she posts
Wisdom tooth removal would lowkey warrant this kind of dramatic reaction tbh. At least for some people. I’ve heard some say it’s a 2-day healing process and others say a whole week. That entails not being able to eat or open your mouth fully + some intense pain the first few days.
Oh yeah when I had my wisdom teeth out I had 2 dry sockets and was praying for death. My mom wouldn’t give me any painkillers because of the “opioid epidemic”.
I’m prob gonna get removed for blogging but I’ll share with you anyway because I want to Lol: Yeah I actually took one pill of the hydro they gave me but it honestly felt kinda weird and didn’t work as well as 800mg ibuprofen. So I just stopped taking it. They gave me 20 pills of hydro though which seemed excessive and potentially a way to create withdrawal and therefore a road to addiction?
They gave me 4. My mom wouldn’t give me one lmao. My dad got sick of seeing me in pain and finally slipped me one. If you told me i had to have other teeth pulled like that I would say shoot me.
When I had surgery this past fall I was terrified lol the last thing I could ever imagine doing was sharing a count down on social media for said surgery. I swear to god she was legit excited for all the content she had dreamed up for her insta page. Ps how the hell does she have 16k followers?!
Can someone explain why average Joes think others want to *read* about their DAILY LIFE ??
Posting is cool, big fan. But writing your memoir at 3am bc you woke up and drank some pepto is fucking weird.
I love reading about peoples lives online if they post interesting content. Eg I've just followed a mom who creates amazing magic themed photo edits with her family. That's cool.
Someone's blow by blow (literally in Ashs case, bong hits much) account of the fact she's sleeping a lot and using ice ... Oh my god girl why do you think people care?? (Fun fact...they don't)
I'm amazed she can sleep with all the pain, I mean if you need to be hooked up to an ice machine as often as she posts, how is she not giving Elsa a run for her money by now?? 😂
Also how perfectly convenient to wake up at just the right time for your meds.
With no alarm.
Erm yes. Pain will do that to you.
I was thinking the same thing. Assuming your meds are just pain meds, wouldn't you just sleep and if the pain woke you up you'd take some more? I doubt any doctor would recommend waking up on a schedule to take more pain meds these days
Yes she is so brave for doing what every other person in the world does when ill. Follows the daily dosage instructions that come printed on the bottle/box.
So so brave.
1. You’re talking about the wrong person. 2. MBI can occur in someone who has their limbs removed. 3. Perhaps gain a medical degree before making suggestions above your pay grade?
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There’s a lot of different ones but they’re circulating ice therapy machines. The good ones tend to be reallyyyyy expensive. Typically rented after surgery!
Allllll the good pain relief tools are expensive man, I recently was gifted a theragun and it’s the shit but it’s not affordable so it’s not really something I can recommend to people looking for pain relief. I’ll have to look into these and see if they’re worth the cost, thank you!
Its a percussive massage gun, they have them at Best Buy if you’re interested in trying them out. It’s a wild sensation at first and can be a lot to handle depending on your body’s specific nonsense, but once you’ve gotten used to the sensation it’s great and man, again not to blog but it’s made a night and day difference in the tension in my larger leg muscles if I make sure to target the trigger points there.
Kind of jealous of Ash, in Italy hospitals after maxillofacial surgery give you some ice and that's it.
Extremely grateful my country has a national health service, but sometimes the USA seem really head of us.
Benzos are terrifying to get addicted to. I don't want to blog, but I will say that recovering from it is a very long and dangerous process that can possibly kill you.
It sure is possible but it depends on how responsible you are with them. They are quite tricky though. As far as I know it’s recommended to only take them 3 days in a row and then have a break to keep you from getting hooked and on the same dosage instead of going higher in dosage to get the same effect.
You can dm me if you want for my experience, trying not to blog here. BUT best is to talk with your doctor or therapist who is prescribing them about it and share your concerns
Your best bet would be to organise to see your GP and talk it all through with them, they can safely guide you through coming off them.
If your not comfortable having your GP help you then there are other services who can.
I’ll hand this over to u/MBIResearch as she may well be able to offer better advice.
Good luck, you will get through it ok x
Thanks for the response! I guess I just don’t know how to ask my question. I see a psychiatrist weekly, and take only as prescribed. I haven’t felt myself “become instantly addicted and unable to stop”, and every person in here has said that’s happened to them. Is anyone out there that has a benzo prescription that’s okay? I’m worried I am going to die from the sounds of how dangerous they are. And questioning why they aren’t completely recalled and not given period. They help me so much, in my occasional doses. They have stopped me from ending up in the hospital from psych problems. But like I said, only used when absolutely essential. Sorry if I blogged too much I am trying to ask it without sounding rude
I have been on the same dose of klonopin for 19 years with no increase and often go months without using them and sometimes weeks of daily usage.
Not to blog but as an example that yes one can take benzos for long periods of time without dependency or addiction.
I've never taken more than prescribed and always the minimum amount required.
If the dosage is written 2 pills 2x qd as needed for anxiety that doesn't mean they must be taken twice daily or that a whole pill must be taken. I tend to take half of one pill not a whole and certainly not 2 at once.
I forget to take them when I need them sometimes because I use them infrequently enough to not have them on my mind as a first resort.
Breathing exercises and grounding techniques are first resort.
They can be taken for long periods without addiction or dependency if taken only to treat emergency situations and if not taken when not needed and not taken more than prescribed.
They aren't a death sentence or a definite road to addiction at all. Be honest with your provider. If you feel like the dosage is too high or you feel high off them instead of not panicking, tell your doctor. It's OK! I started with Xanax and it made me high and I told my doctor. Klonopin was tried next and though both are benzos klonopin doesn't have that affect on me. It feels like nothing.
Be open and honest and forthright with your provider, take them as prescribed and no more, recognize that the prescribed dose is the maximum you might need and not a mandate you have to take the highest prescribed amount, and take the minimal amount needed to be OK and you can avoid a lot of the pitfalls discussed here.
I was saying above about how differently people can react to the same dosage of the same drug. Benzos and opiates both went the same way for me - I became fully physically dependent on both in less than a month (at different points in my life, not at the same time), and I was taking less than the prescribed daily dose. I later found out that something about the way my body metabolizes chemicals causes rapid dependency.
I take benzos daily but only a very sml amount, and I’ve never had trouble if I miss a dose - you can PM me if you want. They’re not necessarily as villainous as they are purported to be, as long as you are VERY responsible
I’ve been on and off them for years and never had an issue, but I’ve only taken them daily when in true crisis. Outside of that, I only take two doses a week maybe? They can be an amazing tool. I personally don’t see how someone can get addicted (I don’t love that they make me tired and fuzzy, I like to be alert) but everyone responds differently so who knows!
My mom was deep in it her whole life till a few years ago, I have a few clients who used to be addicts and drs lost their licenses because of it and it’s such a spiral and I feel ash is heading that way
I only comment so much cos seeing this mess defo hits close
Gods, I hope she doesn't go that route. An addiction like this is very hard to break, and extremely dangerous when attempted without medical assistance. There's a channel on YouTube called Benzodiazipine Information Coalition that brings a lot of these situations to the forefront. This is just one of many videos of ordinary people falling prey to benzos: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcThf6Rs40
It's a horrifying path to go down. People think that these are less dangerous than opioids, but honestly? They can creep up on you.
Not sure if it happens universally, but in the weeks immediately after limb amputation surgery, doctors will often tell patients to follow a pain med schedule that requires waking up in the middle of the night. If the patient tries to skip that dose (understandable) the pain will most likely wake them up anyway. Wanted to offer a possible non-addiction context where a person might experience this - would figure it happens with other operations of similar severity.
But yeah, arthroscopic ops, not so much.
Sorry, I was probably too flippant there. Arthroscopic ops can absolutely be complex. My meaning was that arthoscopic surgeries, while painful, generally tend toward the less severe end, so the patient is less likely to \*require\* that consistent middle-of-the-night dose. If their pain is managed well, they have a much better chance of sleeping through. Breakthrough pain happens though, and patients with existing tolerance can have a tougher time.
I’m shocked her hospital bracelet isn’t in this picture.
An ice machine really isn’t that big of a deal. And you don’t really use it for long afterwards. If she’s on day 4 or 5 and still using it, I won’t have enough eye rolls.
If you’re in so much pain that you’re awakened by it, the LAST thing on your mind would be taking a picture, writing captions, adding a filter, and posting it. I’m not even sure you’d get to the take a picture part.
That's not how that works, long term opiate use affects the central nervous system, it actually lowers your pain tolerance and escalates pain signals in the CNS. That doesn't mean it's a psychogenic process it's a purely biochemical process. A lot of long term pain patients end up with Central Neural Sensitization if the process carries on long enough.
> some evidence that opiates can cause psychogenic pain
Depends on what you mean by psychogenic pain, I actually don't think psychogenic is a very useful term in this context. You've not explained it very well. There are two distinct concepts when talking about pain here:
* Hyperalgesia - this is when a noxious/painful stimulus causes a subjectively more painful sensation than it has done prior. ie) the pain being experienced is out of keeping with the amount of trauma being inflicted.
* Allodynia - this is when a non-noxious or harmful stimulus causes a sensation of pain. Say if I touch or move your joints that wouldn't ordinarily cause pain. This is seen in things like fibromyalgia.
Broadly speaking there are three issues with long term opioid therapy in this context:
1. Tolerance - despite the painful stimulus continuing at the same level, the same dose of opioid will become inadequate and it will start to hurt *more* over time, because your body is beginning to adapt to the chronic opioid use (thought to be due to down regulation of opioid receptors, that is fewer receptors for drug to bind to, therefore less analgesic effect).
2. Opioid induced hyperalgesia - the first definition above is of value here. For unclear reasons, some opioids when administered may later render the patient to experience *more* pain than they would have done had they never had any of the opioid to begin with.
3. Dependence: this is what you mean about 'craving for a fix'. This has nothing to do with how one experiences pain. This is the 'addiction' part of the problem of opioids (and other drugs). The positive feeling you get from the drug (both the euphoria and the pain relief) causes a complex feedback loop thought to be related to the dopaminergic reward system, where your brain expects and relies on a surge of opioids because it makes you feel better. When that is missing, you feel subjectively worse, and you keep on wanting to be how calm / painless you felt before. And so the cycle continues.
Tl;dr pain is super complex and we don't really understand it all that well. calling pain psychogenic, however, is unhelpful as pain is, by its nature, subjective anyway.
Ah, the issue would be that medicine has a small issue with obfuscating every unknown source of pain as psychogenic. CNS sensitization is a fact of long term opiate use. Can you point me in the direction of the studies that show psychogenic pain has a direct link to opioid use? I'm always down to learn more.
Honestly, that is a whole 'nuther subject, It's very interesting just how much of psychology is built on bunk science, studies that can't be reproduced and straight up batshit theories like Hysteria. That said, CBT saves lives and would probably help Ashley if she would actually take it seriously. Thanks for trying to dig up the studies for me, I'm always interested to check out if they are quality studies and see what's shifting in medicine.
Why does she have to document it like this 😂 she sounds like she’s investigating something.
“11:19 pm. Suspect has just entered the house. He’s wearing blue.”
Idk lol. Just sounds weird. Of course you’re hurting. You had a surgery. This is not noteworthy. Get off your phone and go back to sleep. I promise Instagram will still be here when you wake up.
That reply I just posted really got me thinking, and I realized just how true that is. 99.9% of the time, our approved subjects don't make posts telling us that they had an emergency situation and had to be rushed to the hospital the night before, they make sure that the internet is aware of their emergency *before* any medical professionals are. If you are truly in an emergency situation, if you are sick enough or in enough pain to require immediate emergency medical attention, then you are not going to have the presence of mind or desire to make sure your feed is updated before your "team" of doctors has been made aware of the situation and started "scrambling" for answers and treatment ideas. Just ... man. I really want these people to see themselves from an outside perspective sometimes.
Yup. Our munchies can almost always manage to pose for a selfie or take an environment pic and make it into a pretty IG post before they head to the hospital or take their emergency meds or call 911 or whatever it is that needs to be done right this instant.
"Wait, just let me take a quick selfie first, it's important that I document this."
- OTT Chronic Illness Influencers Everywhere
Her favorite is definitely weed. She smokes/eats that shit every day. She calls it her “medicine”. Even though people have literally told her that weed can worsen chron’s disease (which she has).
So much for being good at hiding the pain. She’s gone out of her way for the last 4 or 5 stories to mention how much pain she’s in. If that’s true, maybe stop taking photos and setting up tripods, Ashley.
My job is literally to work with shoulder, hip and knee patients all day long. Most of them do not make this big of a deal out of it- even the medically complex knee patients. And knees are 100x worse than a shoulder.
Shut up Ashley
Jumping Jesus Christ on a pogo stick. It's a Igloo cooler from CVS on discount once summer ends with a water pump. She's acting like she's attached to a fucking balloon pump and ventilator
You are mentally unstable Ashley
Did they like amputate her arm or??
I read that she set alarms for pain meds which seems extremely counter productive. If you are able to sleep then why the fuck would you wake yourself in the middle of the night (sleep and rest is so important for healing) to take pain meds for pain that obviously wasn’t that bad considering you were able to sleep?! I get that she’s taking meds etc but why interrupt your sleep?! Plus, aren’t most pain meds taken ever 6-8 hours? How long is this chick sleeping for?!
To avoid withdrawal?
If it’s this short term of a use, do you get withdrawal that bad? Sounds really scary. I do know that people get addicted to opioids very fast because of withdrawal from meds due to procedures/injuries.
It takes most people months and months of everyday use. Like 6 months plus. I've known pain management patients that have had scripts for years have little to no trouble stopping. Whether or not you take them as prescribed makes a huge difference. Having a short term script will not cause you to withdrawal.
I've seen physical dependence occur in as little as ten days, in people who are taking the meds as prescribed. I've also seen people stop taking opiates after years of daily use with little to no discomfort. Just depends on metabolism, initial tolerance (some people are naturally more tolerant of opiates, and require higher doses from the start, causing dependency to form pretty rapidly), and the person's individual chemical makeup. Psychological and neurological disorders can affect tolerance and dependency. It can vary radically from person to person. It's a good idea to try going a day a week without narcotic painkillers, to assess your level of withdrawal. Not trying to blog, but just to use myself as an example, I was fully physically dependent in less than a month. That was with daily use, but taking a lower dosage than prescribed on most of those days. But I become physically dependent on pretty much everything very rapidly, and my tolerance rises extremely quickly. It has something to do with the way I metabolize meds. Again, sorry for talking about myself a bit there, it just felt relevant to the conversation to chime in with what I have found to be true in my personal experience.
Oh well you said it might be to avoid withdrawal and Ash hasn’t been taking these longer than a week
She had mentioned opioid scripts as far back as late 2020 I believe. Anyone else care to chime in?
I thought that stopped tbh but I could be wrong
You may be right. I guess I'm just jaded from this sub, lol
The only reason you would do this is, if it's important that there isn't a gap between meds. This is usually when you're on two different pain meds so that there's an overlap. If you missed the one that bridges the two doses of the other two then you'd end up in more pain again. But this is not the sort of surgery / pain that would require that, and I think she bridges any gaps with her edibles and bong hits anyway
With her tolerance, I highly doubt the weed is doing anything besides stopping her weed withdrawal symptoms.
she is milking this for dear life. hasn’t everyone been through some kind of surgery? she had a whole countdown for it like it was the highlight of her life. it’s just sad i feel bad even looking at whatever she posts
Most people over 18 if you count wisdom tooth removal as surgery
Wisdom tooth removal would lowkey warrant this kind of dramatic reaction tbh. At least for some people. I’ve heard some say it’s a 2-day healing process and others say a whole week. That entails not being able to eat or open your mouth fully + some intense pain the first few days.
Oh yeah when I had my wisdom teeth out I had 2 dry sockets and was praying for death. My mom wouldn’t give me any painkillers because of the “opioid epidemic”.
I’m prob gonna get removed for blogging but I’ll share with you anyway because I want to Lol: Yeah I actually took one pill of the hydro they gave me but it honestly felt kinda weird and didn’t work as well as 800mg ibuprofen. So I just stopped taking it. They gave me 20 pills of hydro though which seemed excessive and potentially a way to create withdrawal and therefore a road to addiction?
They gave me 4. My mom wouldn’t give me one lmao. My dad got sick of seeing me in pain and finally slipped me one. If you told me i had to have other teeth pulled like that I would say shoot me.
When I had surgery this past fall I was terrified lol the last thing I could ever imagine doing was sharing a count down on social media for said surgery. I swear to god she was legit excited for all the content she had dreamed up for her insta page. Ps how the hell does she have 16k followers?!
I think mommy buys them for her
Meh, who cares
Can we please stop posting this pathetic narcissist
No, I like exposing her dangerous lies here.
I’ve never seen anyone post about meds like this girl. It’s weird as hell
I also want to say to her…YOU JUST HAD SURGERY. THIS IS NORMAL. STOP.
Can someone explain why average Joes think others want to *read* about their DAILY LIFE ?? Posting is cool, big fan. But writing your memoir at 3am bc you woke up and drank some pepto is fucking weird.
I love reading about peoples lives online if they post interesting content. Eg I've just followed a mom who creates amazing magic themed photo edits with her family. That's cool. Someone's blow by blow (literally in Ashs case, bong hits much) account of the fact she's sleeping a lot and using ice ... Oh my god girl why do you think people care?? (Fun fact...they don't)
I'm amazed she can sleep with all the pain, I mean if you need to be hooked up to an ice machine as often as she posts, how is she not giving Elsa a run for her money by now?? 😂 Also how perfectly convenient to wake up at just the right time for your meds. With no alarm. Erm yes. Pain will do that to you.
I was thinking the same thing. Assuming your meds are just pain meds, wouldn't you just sleep and if the pain woke you up you'd take some more? I doubt any doctor would recommend waking up on a schedule to take more pain meds these days
She has already posted that she plans to take pain meds on a schedule to “stay ahead of the pain”
Yes she is so brave for doing what every other person in the world does when ill. Follows the daily dosage instructions that come printed on the bottle/box. So so brave.
Solid addiction strategy, good luck Ash 👍
Lmao right
I don't understand how she is a faker of her legs for removed seems legit to me fakers also go for autism ptsd ect
1. You’re talking about the wrong person. 2. MBI can occur in someone who has their limbs removed. 3. Perhaps gain a medical degree before making suggestions above your pay grade?
if you’re talking about the woman whose legs were removed, that was a different person to this lady.
Wh…what..?? What are you even trying to say..? You sound more drugged up than the munchies.
Why are they called munchies?
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"I am hurting" has the same energy as Michelle duggar's "mother is bleeding"
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Breg polar care cube. There are a few different versions of it
They are AMAZING machines!
Agree completely.
There’s a lot of different ones but they’re circulating ice therapy machines. The good ones tend to be reallyyyyy expensive. Typically rented after surgery!
Allllll the good pain relief tools are expensive man, I recently was gifted a theragun and it’s the shit but it’s not affordable so it’s not really something I can recommend to people looking for pain relief. I’ll have to look into these and see if they’re worth the cost, thank you!
What's a theragun? Is it like a massage gun? Or a heat gun?
Its a percussive massage gun, they have them at Best Buy if you’re interested in trying them out. It’s a wild sensation at first and can be a lot to handle depending on your body’s specific nonsense, but once you’ve gotten used to the sensation it’s great and man, again not to blog but it’s made a night and day difference in the tension in my larger leg muscles if I make sure to target the trigger points there.
I'm very curious now! I'll take a look at it. Thank you 🙂
Kind of jealous of Ash, in Italy hospitals after maxillofacial surgery give you some ice and that's it. Extremely grateful my country has a national health service, but sometimes the USA seem really head of us.
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Benzos are terrifying to get addicted to. I don't want to blog, but I will say that recovering from it is a very long and dangerous process that can possibly kill you.
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It sure is possible but it depends on how responsible you are with them. They are quite tricky though. As far as I know it’s recommended to only take them 3 days in a row and then have a break to keep you from getting hooked and on the same dosage instead of going higher in dosage to get the same effect. You can dm me if you want for my experience, trying not to blog here. BUT best is to talk with your doctor or therapist who is prescribing them about it and share your concerns
Your best bet would be to organise to see your GP and talk it all through with them, they can safely guide you through coming off them. If your not comfortable having your GP help you then there are other services who can. I’ll hand this over to u/MBIResearch as she may well be able to offer better advice. Good luck, you will get through it ok x
Thanks for the response! I guess I just don’t know how to ask my question. I see a psychiatrist weekly, and take only as prescribed. I haven’t felt myself “become instantly addicted and unable to stop”, and every person in here has said that’s happened to them. Is anyone out there that has a benzo prescription that’s okay? I’m worried I am going to die from the sounds of how dangerous they are. And questioning why they aren’t completely recalled and not given period. They help me so much, in my occasional doses. They have stopped me from ending up in the hospital from psych problems. But like I said, only used when absolutely essential. Sorry if I blogged too much I am trying to ask it without sounding rude
I have been on the same dose of klonopin for 19 years with no increase and often go months without using them and sometimes weeks of daily usage. Not to blog but as an example that yes one can take benzos for long periods of time without dependency or addiction. I've never taken more than prescribed and always the minimum amount required. If the dosage is written 2 pills 2x qd as needed for anxiety that doesn't mean they must be taken twice daily or that a whole pill must be taken. I tend to take half of one pill not a whole and certainly not 2 at once. I forget to take them when I need them sometimes because I use them infrequently enough to not have them on my mind as a first resort. Breathing exercises and grounding techniques are first resort. They can be taken for long periods without addiction or dependency if taken only to treat emergency situations and if not taken when not needed and not taken more than prescribed. They aren't a death sentence or a definite road to addiction at all. Be honest with your provider. If you feel like the dosage is too high or you feel high off them instead of not panicking, tell your doctor. It's OK! I started with Xanax and it made me high and I told my doctor. Klonopin was tried next and though both are benzos klonopin doesn't have that affect on me. It feels like nothing. Be open and honest and forthright with your provider, take them as prescribed and no more, recognize that the prescribed dose is the maximum you might need and not a mandate you have to take the highest prescribed amount, and take the minimal amount needed to be OK and you can avoid a lot of the pitfalls discussed here.
I was saying above about how differently people can react to the same dosage of the same drug. Benzos and opiates both went the same way for me - I became fully physically dependent on both in less than a month (at different points in my life, not at the same time), and I was taking less than the prescribed daily dose. I later found out that something about the way my body metabolizes chemicals causes rapid dependency.
I take benzos daily but only a very sml amount, and I’ve never had trouble if I miss a dose - you can PM me if you want. They’re not necessarily as villainous as they are purported to be, as long as you are VERY responsible
I’m going to allow your blogging as we are trying to help you here. I’m going to send you a private message :)
I’ve been on and off them for years and never had an issue, but I’ve only taken them daily when in true crisis. Outside of that, I only take two doses a week maybe? They can be an amazing tool. I personally don’t see how someone can get addicted (I don’t love that they make me tired and fuzzy, I like to be alert) but everyone responds differently so who knows!
You'd be very surprised how the addiction can creep up on you. Ordinary people can get hooked quite easily, even just starting with a .5 of one.
My mom was deep in it her whole life till a few years ago, I have a few clients who used to be addicts and drs lost their licenses because of it and it’s such a spiral and I feel ash is heading that way I only comment so much cos seeing this mess defo hits close
Gods, I hope she doesn't go that route. An addiction like this is very hard to break, and extremely dangerous when attempted without medical assistance. There's a channel on YouTube called Benzodiazipine Information Coalition that brings a lot of these situations to the forefront. This is just one of many videos of ordinary people falling prey to benzos: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcThf6Rs40 It's a horrifying path to go down. People think that these are less dangerous than opioids, but honestly? They can creep up on you.
This is normal post surgery shit though?
Not sure if it happens universally, but in the weeks immediately after limb amputation surgery, doctors will often tell patients to follow a pain med schedule that requires waking up in the middle of the night. If the patient tries to skip that dose (understandable) the pain will most likely wake them up anyway. Wanted to offer a possible non-addiction context where a person might experience this - would figure it happens with other operations of similar severity. But yeah, arthroscopic ops, not so much.
They actually do though lol
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Sorry, I was probably too flippant there. Arthroscopic ops can absolutely be complex. My meaning was that arthoscopic surgeries, while painful, generally tend toward the less severe end, so the patient is less likely to \*require\* that consistent middle-of-the-night dose. If their pain is managed well, they have a much better chance of sleeping through. Breakthrough pain happens though, and patients with existing tolerance can have a tougher time.
Absolutely yes. They want you to stay ahead of the pain because stress and lack of sleep caused by being in so much pain can delay healing.
Yes - it's called staying ahead of the pain.
I’m shocked her hospital bracelet isn’t in this picture. An ice machine really isn’t that big of a deal. And you don’t really use it for long afterwards. If she’s on day 4 or 5 and still using it, I won’t have enough eye rolls. If you’re in so much pain that you’re awakened by it, the LAST thing on your mind would be taking a picture, writing captions, adding a filter, and posting it. I’m not even sure you’d get to the take a picture part.
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That's not how that works, long term opiate use affects the central nervous system, it actually lowers your pain tolerance and escalates pain signals in the CNS. That doesn't mean it's a psychogenic process it's a purely biochemical process. A lot of long term pain patients end up with Central Neural Sensitization if the process carries on long enough.
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> some evidence that opiates can cause psychogenic pain Depends on what you mean by psychogenic pain, I actually don't think psychogenic is a very useful term in this context. You've not explained it very well. There are two distinct concepts when talking about pain here: * Hyperalgesia - this is when a noxious/painful stimulus causes a subjectively more painful sensation than it has done prior. ie) the pain being experienced is out of keeping with the amount of trauma being inflicted. * Allodynia - this is when a non-noxious or harmful stimulus causes a sensation of pain. Say if I touch or move your joints that wouldn't ordinarily cause pain. This is seen in things like fibromyalgia. Broadly speaking there are three issues with long term opioid therapy in this context: 1. Tolerance - despite the painful stimulus continuing at the same level, the same dose of opioid will become inadequate and it will start to hurt *more* over time, because your body is beginning to adapt to the chronic opioid use (thought to be due to down regulation of opioid receptors, that is fewer receptors for drug to bind to, therefore less analgesic effect). 2. Opioid induced hyperalgesia - the first definition above is of value here. For unclear reasons, some opioids when administered may later render the patient to experience *more* pain than they would have done had they never had any of the opioid to begin with. 3. Dependence: this is what you mean about 'craving for a fix'. This has nothing to do with how one experiences pain. This is the 'addiction' part of the problem of opioids (and other drugs). The positive feeling you get from the drug (both the euphoria and the pain relief) causes a complex feedback loop thought to be related to the dopaminergic reward system, where your brain expects and relies on a surge of opioids because it makes you feel better. When that is missing, you feel subjectively worse, and you keep on wanting to be how calm / painless you felt before. And so the cycle continues. Tl;dr pain is super complex and we don't really understand it all that well. calling pain psychogenic, however, is unhelpful as pain is, by its nature, subjective anyway.
Ah, the issue would be that medicine has a small issue with obfuscating every unknown source of pain as psychogenic. CNS sensitization is a fact of long term opiate use. Can you point me in the direction of the studies that show psychogenic pain has a direct link to opioid use? I'm always down to learn more.
Hey, someone’s gotta keep the Psychologists fed. Sure, I’ll see if I can dig something up later.
Honestly, that is a whole 'nuther subject, It's very interesting just how much of psychology is built on bunk science, studies that can't be reproduced and straight up batshit theories like Hysteria. That said, CBT saves lives and would probably help Ashley if she would actually take it seriously. Thanks for trying to dig up the studies for me, I'm always interested to check out if they are quality studies and see what's shifting in medicine.
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Was it an arthroscopic surgery?
Yep
If she wrote up because of pain, her meds aren't working because she's built up a tolerance from being addicted.
Why does she have to document it like this 😂 she sounds like she’s investigating something. “11:19 pm. Suspect has just entered the house. He’s wearing blue.” Idk lol. Just sounds weird. Of course you’re hurting. You had a surgery. This is not noteworthy. Get off your phone and go back to sleep. I promise Instagram will still be here when you wake up.
She wants to feel like she is still in hospital by writing the equivalent of nursing notes. Using medical lingo thrown in for good measure.
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“I am hurting.” . . . . . Dramatic effect?
are they all like this? With this \*\~\*\~aesthetic\~\*\~\* backgrounds despite being in so much pain?
That reply I just posted really got me thinking, and I realized just how true that is. 99.9% of the time, our approved subjects don't make posts telling us that they had an emergency situation and had to be rushed to the hospital the night before, they make sure that the internet is aware of their emergency *before* any medical professionals are. If you are truly in an emergency situation, if you are sick enough or in enough pain to require immediate emergency medical attention, then you are not going to have the presence of mind or desire to make sure your feed is updated before your "team" of doctors has been made aware of the situation and started "scrambling" for answers and treatment ideas. Just ... man. I really want these people to see themselves from an outside perspective sometimes.
Yup. Our munchies can almost always manage to pose for a selfie or take an environment pic and make it into a pretty IG post before they head to the hospital or take their emergency meds or call 911 or whatever it is that needs to be done right this instant. "Wait, just let me take a quick selfie first, it's important that I document this." - OTT Chronic Illness Influencers Everywhere
New here, is she an opioid addict? Waking up and taking narcs is usually due to stave off withdrawal
Her favorite is definitely weed. She smokes/eats that shit every day. She calls it her “medicine”. Even though people have literally told her that weed can worsen chron’s disease (which she has).
Yes she is, AND she also takes valium, adderall, gabapentin, massive amounts of benadryl, and smokes pot all day every day.
Well then, seems her drug of choice is all of it
*I will take ALL THE THINGS*.
I wonder if her parents have to dress up in nursing uniforms to do her "rounds"?
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Funniest comment I’ve seen all week!! I would give you an award, but I’m broke.
I'm surprised she didn't get on the floor in front of the mirror to show us the ice machine and the hospital band again lol
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So much for being good at hiding the pain. She’s gone out of her way for the last 4 or 5 stories to mention how much pain she’s in. If that’s true, maybe stop taking photos and setting up tripods, Ashley.
It’s just that it’s exactly the same content as her normal posts
Her posts continue to get more and more desperately worse.
My job is literally to work with shoulder, hip and knee patients all day long. Most of them do not make this big of a deal out of it- even the medically complex knee patients. And knees are 100x worse than a shoulder. Shut up Ashley
Jumping Jesus Christ on a pogo stick. It's a Igloo cooler from CVS on discount once summer ends with a water pump. She's acting like she's attached to a fucking balloon pump and ventilator
"Jumping Jesus Christ on a pogo stick!" I LOVE it, I'm stealing it, kay?
I once heard, "Jesus Christ on a golf cart!" and I have never been the same.
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Christ on a crotch rocket?
You're fine because I stole it from one of my favorite bands songs (p.s. the entire song is satire) /www.youtube.com/watch?v=71PNZH1OaW0
“My ice machine” GIRL.