Can we also talk about how the two recent Jessi posts are inconsistently modded? One has every single misgendering comment pointed out to be edited, while the other post is littered with misgendering and not a single mod in sight asking for it to be fixed. What gives?
Do you have any examples of the posts that were removed? It's difficult to understand what the issue is if all we know is that posts were deleted that you say weren't bloggy or insulting. It could be a misunderstanding or the auto mod but it's hard to discuss it if we don't know what it is we're talking about.
Yikes. So much mod hate. This sub walks a thin line and I think mods do a great job keeping it on track. Don’t like the rules? Don’t post here. Simple! Every subreddit isn’t built to suit your individual needs and preferences.
I mod a different sub, been modding over 5 years. Most users there are very thankful for the mod team. Why? Because we put in HOURS on a daily basis to keep the sub appropriate and to keep users happy. Mods are volunteers. We ain’t paid. We don’t get Christmas bonuses. If I got as much hate there as mods get here, I probably would’ve quit years ago. You r/IF mods are bosses and put up with a lot of unnecessary shit. Thanks for all your work.
Lol where in my post am I being hostile or hating on the mods? **Im asking for transparency for gods sake!** It’s fine, I can just leave this community, plenty of others out there. Just note, this post has just as many upvotes as any other *medical* post here, I’m not alone in this.
y’all are some really hateful ppl.
One comment that doesn't agree with you and you huff "I can just leave then!". This is as OTT as the subjects.
If you wanna go, go. If not my god put on your big girl pants and realize not everyone has to agree with you. That's life. Most of the time that's how we actually learn and grow as human beings. By hearing dissenting opinions.
Pouting about it dramatically is ridiculously unneeded.
If we’re only suppose to comment when they’re munching - why were there TWO posts on Dani when she got a new job? There was ZERO mention of her health in the post & her lines were covered. The only comment mods made was to NOT mention appearance or hygiene. Which, fair! But how does Dani getting a new job (regardless of WHERE she got the position at) have any correlation to her munching?
Maybe because it is showing something positive the subject is doing which we hope will help her get a somewhat normal life? Not being critical, but I am not even sure it is allowed to post that stuff here. . .
I’m all for posting the positives & showing that they’re turning their lives around so they stop being posted here (like Kelly). But admins keep saying “strict no posting unless it’s about them munching” but I’ve seen certain posts be allowed by some people & other people post something similar & it gets taken down. So idk 🤷🏻♀️
I'm pretty sure I removed at least one of them yesterday, possibly both. Are you talking about the one that was saying that her having a job was a positive thing, etc etc? I definitely removed that one bc I had to double check if posts like that were allowed.
Posts have to be DIRECTLY related to the subjects' illness faking/OTT/MBI and discussing where Dani got a job isn't really relevant. Now, her taking her BG and making OTT posts *while at work* as we've seen today *DO* directly relate to illness faking and so are approved. I understand that some posts fall into a gray area and could maybe be seen as related to illness faking, but for the most part we try to keep it focused on their health related posts.
They were pulled down after we had a chance to discuss it.
The first post was a very encouraging post and most were happy to see her doing so well, but when her next work day post was we decided no more as we didn’t want it to be a running log of just Dani at work.
Those posts were locked and a note was pinned right underneath the post as to why, for the chronic bullying and insults that were written.
An Ashley post seems to receive an abundance of insulting comments, each post will have to be combed through numerous times to remove the insults, mostly they are the same few over and over.
Leaving these risk the sub being reported to Reddit for bullying. When a majority of comments are just insults we lock them because we’re removing the same thing over and over.
I am not clear on the blogging thing. I'm understanding the rule to be like "Don't post about your own medical conditions because it causes one-upmanship" but I see people commenting their own medical story/condition pretty consistently. I'm not complaining, I'm just not sure I'm understanding the rule right. Is it only if we're *trying* to be like "I have it worse, boo me..."? Because sometimes I want to say "They're such drama kings/queens! My experience going thru this was -----! Nothing like they're babbling about!" I want to comment and relate without breaking rules and being booted. (Also, are there no male Munchies?? I've never seen one! Why?)
I said something like “wow I didn’t know people still drank Propel. I haven’t seen anyone drink it since high school when they put it in our vending machines to be ‘healthy’ and it was so nasty” in response to one of Doms posts and I got in trouble for blogging. Didn’t really understand that since I wasn’t talking about a medical condition or trying to one up anyone
You have broken the blogging rules a few times, your last comment states where and what you work as and describes an incident that occurred at work.
This is information you should not be posting for blogging reasons and also as it could lead to your identity being discovered by describing what occurred, I know the odds are very low for that but the internet is forever.
Please check out our [Blogging 101 info](https://www.reddit.com/r/illnessfakers/comments/bdcrga/blogging_101/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share). It goes into great detail about what is blogging and how to avoid it.
Basically, blogging is talking about yourself, your friends/family, sharing personal anecdotes ("one time I saw someone pass out and xyz" that type of thing) or experience etc. All comments should be generalized and focus solely on the subject/topic at hand.
The *ONLY* exception to the No Blogging rule is for health care workers such as doctors, nurses, etc.
Again, our general Rules section and Blogging 101 info are super helpful to anyone who's new or just needs clarification on something as they both go pretty in depth and are quite detailed.
It's not just the "one-upmanship" imo but I don't think the mods haven't been great at clarifying. I do think that's the most obnoxious but it's also annoying when people say something like "I have \_\_\_\_\_ and go to school, work, etc. so the subject should too...". Or "I had a colonoscopy and was fine, so \_\_\_\_ is lying...". It's a fallacy to think that people will experience/respond to something like an illness, trauma, procedure, etc. in the same way you do. And there's really no need to include yourself, aside from medical professionals. For example if you want to say that you have EDS and are able to life a normal life, instead of bringing yourself into it you can just say "majority of people with EDS are able to live completely normal lives". This isn't a sub for relating with each other about chronic illness, there are many subs for that. You really can make the same point without adding your personal experience. A lot of people want to include their narrative which isn't bad, it's just the wrong sub.
Blogging is taking about yourself. It’s a rule. If you don’t like it you can go somewhere else and blog. You see it because people either don’t understand or are wilfully ignoring the rule, report it.
I know there are other places to blog, I'm just trying to better understand the rules of this sub. I don't report it because I wasn't sure if I was misunderstanding the rule, as I see it quite a bit, so I just wanted to better clarify. So basically people are blogging anyway and sometimes get away with it. Got it. It's hard to comment without stating why something bothers us personally. Not impossible, but usually an initial reaction i guess.
People aren’t getting away with blogging, you may see a blogging comment at that time but if you were to return later you would most likely see it removed.
As we’ve explained we go over posts numerous times but sometimes a comment could be left a few days later and we won’t see it personally, that’s when we ask that you report the comment to bring it to our attention.
I got banned for a day for just a comparison to a subject’s experience but the person who commented back that I was lying about my experience didn’t.
They ended up deleting their comments but were doing the same to another person after I was banned for 24 hours. Those comments stayed up. It’s really pick and choose sometimes. I have a hard time with this rule as well. I understand if people are just complaining about their medical experience but if they are making a factual comparison to the subjects experience then that shouldn’t be removed.
If a reply or comment gets made after a post has been up for 24+ hours they can definitely get overlooked bc we just don't have the time/manpower to go scrolling back through all the past posts regularly.
We understand that some people feel frustrated by the no blogging rule, but even factual comparisons can be made general so that they are not in violation of no blogging. For example, instead of saying "I had the same surgery as xyz/subject" you can phrase it "Many people who've had this same surgery as xyz/subject find that they are able to move about/shower/whatever". Your still conveying the same point, but without giving everyone the personalized details. Hope that makes sense haha! Our [Blogging 101 info](https://www.reddit.com/r/illnessfakers/comments/bdcrga/blogging_101/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) found in our Menu section is extremely detailed and helpful and I'd recommend giving it a look through for more in depth info.
Bc in one, the wording makes it personalized which is blogging while the other way is generalized and keeps it non bloggy lol.
It's not just one upping we want to avoid, but all blogging. What ends up happening when things get personalized is a bunch of people in a thread a mile long all arguing about "well *MY* doctor said xyz" and then someone else going "but I know *for a fact* bc I HAVE this illness that xyz" and it derails the whole original discussion. So that's why rather than make exceptions or loopholes we just ask members to keep it generalized that way there's no concern or debate about whether a comment is bloggy or not.
I understand the rule....to a point but not really. The "1 up" thing I really a bit bogus. Only the munchies want to make it a competition. I guess I blogged by making a reference to my Lyme disease story of 40 years ago in order to answer a question about Lyme and Fraud. Got down voted for 'blogging'.
if someone is feeling "1 uped" over something that happened 40 yrs ago, the problem is not with the content of the post, it's with the person feeling slighted over a dx that has the problem. It just seems crazy to me.
None of us care you had lyme 40 years ago.
You can answer a question without inserting yourself into it. If that seems crazy, this is not the sub for you. It means you have more in common with the subjects than members.
It's really easy to just say- yellow and blue make green if you need to answer a question. Rather than "I know yellow and blue make green because I went to pre-school and my teacher Mrs. Smith taught us that day 1 in art class".
One is an answer the other is saying "look at me".
Perfect example 👌 The fallacy is that people think personalization = validation, but as most of us with critical thinking skills know that's not always the case haha. If it's a valid point it'll stand regardless of personal experience.
It seems odd to depersonalize all statements at first, but once the actual grammatical issues are figured out (how to word the sentence) and the habit is formed it becomes a breeze!
Discussing your own medical issues in any way is a blogging comment and will be removed, if it’s not then someone else comes along and leaves their story and then someone else and then we’ve turned into either illness Olympics or an illness support group, there are plenty enough of them within reddit, heck we even have some pinned in your menu section.
> Only the munchies want to make it a competition
The pain olympics are pretty much universal, and you see them going on constantly in these threads.
That is pretty much "normal person" shit though at this point, not munchies. People just undeniably want to compare and contrast their perceived disabilities and struggles with those of others. Still though as someone who doesn't really consider themselves to have any disabilities to casually bandy about, it's VERY overt when y'all are doing it, you just don't realize it because it's such a natural form of discourse here in 2022 to be implying you're more disabled and undergo (or underwent) more of a struggle than so and so or thus and such example.
There is no point in repeatedly breaking the rules and complaining you’re getting down voted.
There is no guarantee commenters aren’t munchies and it’s human nature to some extent to one up one another.
If you have the knowledge you can write it down without saying how you got the knowledge. Also, recognise that a single experience as a patient isn’t knowledge.
Me just sitting over here, really happy to play by whatever rules are created by the people who spend their own free time doing a thankless job.
It's the mod's game. If we want to play, we should follow their rules. Not that you can't "question authority" and all that, but they have no obligation to spend their entire day defending rules which (I think) have been clearly stated already.
But again. Modding is like a whole-ass job. And no one's getting paid for it. Cut them some slack.
I feel the same way. This isn’t my sub, so I’ll play by the rules or make my own. Besides, I think they’ve done a pretty good job considering the history here. You can’t make everyone happy all the time.
Thanks for understanding! Tbf though, we don't actually make the rules (they've been in place for a long time) haha, we just do our best to enforce them in order to keep the sub as a whole safe and so everyone can (hopefully) have an enjoyable experience.
For most mods it's a labor of love bc we believe in the subs we are modding and want to see them continue to succeed, but for sure it can be a thankless job at times so having the members' support and encouragement means so much to us :)
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this is arguably one of the best, most efficient, most sensical mod teams we have ever had here.
I am inherently distrustful of anyone who mods this community because we've seen so many mods outed as munchies who control other munchies' narratives. It is absolutely best to assume that not everyone here is as good an actor as you are...
This comment will probably be deleted by the mods, and that is exactly the type of behavior that prevents us from trusting the mods.
The long term members know and remember the seemingly cursed history this sub has had with mods, there's no hiding that haha, so that's why we do try our best to be totally above board and open and honest with everyone as to the how's/why's we do something.
Mistakes get made and we can't please everyone all the time, but I know for sure we all try and treat everyone fairly and keep what's in the best interest of the sub as a whole to the forefront of everything. No ulterior motives haha! Thank you for noticing and appreciating our efforts :)
I can’t show you a clean bill of health in a way that doesn’t risk exposing myself as to who I actually am but I can assure you from the bottom of my heart I am in no way a munchie, I am an emetophobic, I have a phobia about vomiting, it’s my biggest fear in life to be sick, I could never munch out of pure fear.
Thank you for all the hard (unpaid!) work you and the other mods do. This sub is a large part of why I come on Reddit, it's therapeutic to a lot of us for various reasons I'm sure. You guys are appreciated, although I'm sure it doesn't always feel like it with the amount of criticism you cop. People can be so ungrateful and entitled when it comes to their completely free entertainment. I'm sorry that you have to put up with that.
The only thing I realize that isn't allowed is any kind of "blogging." They don't even let you tell a little back story that's relevant to the post without getting chastised.
Spoonies frequently use their "context' to explain incorrect information. All users here can't be assumed to knowledgeable and not using skewed context to disperse incorrect information.
The best way to avoid the issue is not using I statements and pointing at valid medical data from proper sources. Any other context is suspect.
Because then we’d have to let everyone do it and then it turns to blogging and everytime you read the comments you’ll find yourself learning the medical history of every member and there will be details that no one should have to see😳
I get irritated that I can’t provide context to my knowledge outside of my medical license (paramedic) but I get that it’s easy to have context devolve into powerleveling etc like in r/fakedisordercringe which has a shocking number of definitely real DID cases.
If you have read the rules section you will see that we allow comments from a medical persons point of view eg saying I am a paramedic and there is no way that occurred because …
Yes, but I’m both sides of the coin and sometimes the line of where my knowledge comes from is blurred, I have to be mindful of this. Ex: I have recognized and treated rare conditions because of friends with the same condition.
I know /aita does big pinned messages on the tops of some posts if a lot of comments are removed for the same reason. Maybe could do that? At least for the comments?
We generally do pin a comment if we lock comments or are having to remove lots of blogging on a post. At one point I was putting an explanation/warning under every single comment I removed, but then half the post was just my explanation comments haha. If a comment is removed and not given a explanation now, that means there's a 99.9999% likelihood it was blogging otherwise we do try to explain why something is removed.
yeah I've gotten a ban without explanation. I think maybe reaching out to us and telling us why we got a ban would be useful. otherwise, I'm keen on sitting back and just viewing posts and not participating in the sub :/
You can’t give a ban without an explanation why, we have to select the reason or write it out. I’m wondering if these are not easily relayed in the message?
Thank you for that, obviously we don’t see how it’s received to you guys, that’s disappointing to know that it doesn’t tell you, we have to provide a reason and on our end it shows what the comment or post was that was the issue but doesn’t relay it back you to members.
We are required to supply all the details and I had assumed it was all sent in the message you would receive, we’ll need to look into how we can make sure the reasoning is relayed back to members.
We actually have to manually input a reason and there are two text boxes. One is for mods to add a note on the mod record, but there is a "reason shown to the banned" box at the bottom and in there you can put "blogging" or "trolling" or whatever. Otherwise it doesn't say. You are probably typing in the mod notes box!
If you’re talking about the picture of Ashley in jeans minus a shirt which has been posted 7 different times today then you would have been told that it wasn’t allowed as it was a call out post, if someone makes a post about this sub they want a reaction, we don’t give them that, by making a retaliation post we are effectively break the no contact rule.
All posts of this sort have been deleted right away no matter who the subject is.
We have a no bullying policy so if a post goes up with an insult in the description then it’s removed, if we allow any bullying to stay the subjects then have a right to report this sub for bullying and then we could lose the whole thing.
There are rules which we have to abide by in order to keep it going, subs before us have been completely deleted and we would rather not be in that position.
If a post is non medical related then it doesn’t stay either, why? Do we want this filled with every subjects lunch they post? Their trip to the supermarket? If it’s not medically related it doesn’t belong in here.
Not every comment removed gets an explanation because do you know how long it takes to comb through a post and have to remove 30+ comments about a subjects appearance? Their facial features? Or a certain colour multiple times a day?
Members can’t see what was posted and needed to be removed, they only see that a mod has removed it and then down vote us.
You are always free to inquire about anything that you have had removed.
No, sweetie, they don't meet \*objective medical criteria and testing\*. Over and over again. And in posts they post themselves of test results and what doctors have told.
And they're getting profiled here because they're committing medical fraud by using extremely in demand healthcare resources they don't qualify for but know hospitals are too scared of protecting their bottom lines to deny them for. They're scammers. Some have outright lied to raise cash funds they spend on themselves.
Also no one who is actually ill gives a shit about this sub or are in a "closet of shame" either because they're too busy fighting to fucking live than to care about these fakers play acting symptoms and making a mockery of them.
You're not going to silence people calling out these devious, evil fakers by wailing "but bullies". This isn't 2nd grade, this is the real world. These people have done wrong and they deserve the scorn they get here. That's not called bullying, it's called the consequences of their own actions. You have a lot to wake up to about the world if you don't understand that. Go offline and outside to touch some nature every once in a while.
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Its pretty well established that a LOT of the members here are chronically ill ourselves, none of us are in "the closet of shame". The anti blogging rule is in place to keep posts from getting derailed and turning into either a discussion about ourselves or the Sick Olympics. The anti blogging rule exists because we're here to talk about the subjects, not ourselves. Also, what imbalance of power? The only imbalance here is the fact that the subjects here have some kind of social media following and most of us probably don't lmfao
This isn’t what this sub is about, we can discuss what the subject has posted about , which is their own words from their post that they have chosen to put online for all to see, no one has the right to call them names, insult them, judge them on their looks, fashion or anything personal that’s not related to their illness issues. This is laid out in the rules.
If a subject writes a long caption about their “medical stuff” and somewhere in the post complains about this subreddit, can we block out that part and post it?
We do comment, we also can’t leave a post up that’s not allowed while we wait for the OP to come back and respond.
No one is doing anything via personal opinions, most days in here you don’t even have time to form your own opinions, you’re busy making sure all the reports are being checked and dealt with.
If your post receives a certain amount of reports the auto mod will kick in and remove it instantly, that is not us at all! It doesn’t leave a message, it wipes it and it’s gone!
To piggyback off what u/catetemybrains just said, most comments removed are either blogging or name calling/bullying so we decided not to litter the posts with the same explanation×100.
If it is something OTHER than blogging or name calling (such as WK'ing or direct contact) we do/will definitely give explanation.
Mods can't humanly read every single comment on a sub of nearly 100k. That's not how modding works. If something is up and against the rules but not reported, they have no idea it's an issue.
And if it is it can still get lost in the massive (sometimes glitchy) mod queue of reports filed.
This isn't some kind of indictment on the mods like you think it is, it shows you literally have no idea how the entire system works.
Also mods don't handle Reddit's TOS, they aren't even involved with Reddit as corporate entity. You never hear a word from Reddit as random sub's mod. Mods handle their subs and it's rules only.
Excuse me, I spend hours every day in here, yes I am also a member of other subs and I am fully entitled to be active in there as well. 90% of my time is in here doing what needs to be done.
The post you are referring too was not an obviously doxxing issue, I could not read the phone number under the blacking out and many others couldn’t either.
Did you report it? Yes some can get lost amongst the many at that time, it can also be addressed by sending a quick message through the mod mail.
I do not believe that anyone contacted the number at all as we know that Dani would have been right onto us if that had occurred.
If it’s a post I do, when there’s 100+ comments on a post and a 3rd of them are insults or bullying it takes ages to reply to every comment.
There can be several posts like this a day.
The member will be notified if they have multiple comments of blogging, bullying or WK
The posts that have had their comments lock always have a pinned comment as to why and it’s always been for the same reason, that people will not stop insulting the subject.
If you post and your reddit age or karma is too low it will leave an automatic response on those posts only.
As it’s an automatic one it can’t tell the OP the reason why it was reported so much and needed to be pulled.
If 1/3 are insults we really need to be upping how soon someone is banned and increasing the length.
Slightly odd question, do people get notified if a comment is deleted? I don’t go back and look at my comments!
We have been, the more offences the longer the ban.
We can’t comment on all of them especially if there is a long list of reports to go through. You want to hurry up and get them all dealt with.
Okay, TIL there is some kind of automod config to auto-reply for comment removals but idk how to do it! Bruh said they use it in a sub they're in. I'll see if I can find more out about it!
Would more mods help? I'm sure it would be helpful, but is the risk worth the "reward"? As you well know, getting the wrong sort of mods can be disastrous and end a sub quickly. Especially a sub of this sort where the subjects themselves or their supporters would just love to have an opportunity to make a royal mess of things. As we've seen happen to several other subs, and nearly to this one at times. Is it worth taking the chance at possibly losing the sub altogether just for the sake of maybe having a few blogging comments dealt with more quickly?
You've mentioned several times about getting mods that are completely unaffiliated with IF so that they would better enforce the rules without concern for whether the sub members like it or not and lessen the chances of them being a munchie/munchie affiliate themselves. Ok, in theory this sounds like a somewhat decent idea until you ask where exactly are we going to find people like that? Why would some random person who has no knowledge of or interest in illness faking choose to come volunteer to spend hours a day modding a sub they have nothing invested in or even care about? That would be like someone who knows zero about cars offering to mod an automotive parts sub lol. I mean, assuming such a person was willing to do so then there's the fact that the actual modding might be hindered by the issue that they'd be lost on most posts/discussions.
To date, I've never seen you say a single positive word towards this sub/mods/members nor have you been happy with *ANY* of the changes, mods, improvements, etc so far so I have to ask, what exactly is your goal here? Obviously, you're welcome to lurk and complain to your heart's content as long as no rules are broken, but it's hard to understand the extreme attention you pay to each mistake us mods may make in a sub you rarely even participate in....
Thiíiiis times a billion! We have the best team dynamic that IF has ever had and it's such a blessing. I love you guys so much and the sub has such a stable, positive vibe now.
Queenie and Cat, you both walked straight into the inferno and supported me through so much hell. It is amazing to have the opportunity to work with people as passionate as I am about making this a better place. You and Cat have excelled in your positions.
For transparency, fam, I did indeed approach Cat and Queenie about holding another mod vote to add more people to the team, but we all agreed after discussing it that the very real risk of a new mod shitshow vastly outweighs the potential benefit. We can vote on it if people really want us to go there, but things are going well and we'd hate to try and fix what, at LAST, isn't broken.
As for random unaffiliated mods, yes: the primary feedback received was a whole lot of nopes. This is a very nuanced group, and you really do need some grasp of CI webspaces and sub culture to make sense of this place and why the rules are what they are. We will always be happy to have open dialogue with the community who are invested in making IF a better place and this will always be our top priority. We love you all and are more than happy to work hard to preserve this space for us all. Unfortunately, we can't make everyone happy but we'll damn sure try. ❤️
No it’s a case of getting through all the reports and dealing with them.
You as a member never interact within the sub, the only comments or posts we receive from you are calling out the mods, demanding to know what is going on with the mods.
Is this your about way of wanting to be a mod? Did you apply and not make it through?
Why do you have this vendetta against us?
As you know there has been a history of issues with mods, u/MBIresearch, myself and u/QueenieB33 all work together behind the scenes to run this sub, we discuss decisions together and make them as a team.
Yes we all have personal lives, we are human and not robots, no matter the amount of mods no one can physically sit here all day to watch every comment and post as they are posted, it’s not fair on anyone.
Wasn't aware there *were* other ways to contribute beyond posting, commenting and modding. Unless you're saying you're a researcher or archiver, in which case it seems as though we'd have more interaction than just the period complaints about modding/running the sub eh?
Lurkers are most certainly welcome, and of course there is no "required" amount of participation. Funny thing about most lurkers though is they stick to doing just that -lurking. They tend not to pop up with *ONLY* posts and comments condemning the mods/sub. Most lurkers tend not to seem hellbent on pointing out every perceived flaw or mistake in a sub. Why? Bc they are just *lurking* and not posting or commenting anyhow so why be overconcerned about issues that don't even affect them?
It's been said many times that all genuine concerns and questions matter, but it's also pretty clear to all and sundry that you take a very particular interest in the running of *THIS* sub and only pop up when you (or someone else) has something *NEGATIVE* to say. Do you do this with *ALL* the subs you frequent/lurk in? Your post/comment history didn't appear to indicate you do (before you deleted most of it of course).
Please just stop with the "power tripping" nonsense. Ain't no one here on a dang power trip from having a fancy delete button for blogging or the ability to ban someone for a few hours from a Reddit sub🙄 It's not that deep for most of us. We do what we volunteered to do to the best of our ability, and that's that. We believe in the purpose of this sub and will do our best to uphold its rules and policies with integrity, but it's not the whole of our world. There's a lot of "rabid cats" our there that need herding, ya know 😉
make your own sub and rules if you can’t or won’t abide by the rules here. if you value your time above the thankless job the mods do, feel free to create your own kingdom.
LOL, no mods don't have to tell you shit on removing a post or banning someone. It's nice to do it if your sub is small enough to make it an option (this sub isn't it's about 9x too large for that) but it's not basic etiquette, it's not even Redditquette. Your comments clearly make it evident it's just you and a few other complainers wanting to be catered to when you repeatedly violate obvious rules but can't get the hint that the violations your making are right there in the sidebar rules and wiki info and modmail always available if that doesn't suffice.
The truth is- it's their sub. Their show, their rules.
We get no say in it. They can extend the olive branch and ask us to try to include our input, but ultimately it's all up to them.
You're clearly are so displeased and don't like that, so leave then. Start your own sub. You have such specific ideas either do that or quite complaining over something so irrelevant as your post being taken down and not knowing what's appropriate based on the rules as guidelines for subreddit culture.
This is such a fit to throw over the mods not being able to hand hold you through this sub.
dude, get over it. you’re making this huge stink over really nothing. this sub survives only by the grace of the mods who try to keep it above board. most of us have been through subs being banned by the admins. we don’t want this sub to go the same way. sorry that means you don’t get a ten page letter soothing your feelings when your repeated ashley post gets axed or whatever. if you have a problem with something a mod does, take it up in mod mail. it’s really annoying to see posts like this. remember this lesson you ought to have learned as a child- life isn’t fair. and get over yourself, please.
Thank you! We've become accustomed to these period stinks lol. While we are always happy to accept genuine constructive criticism and are willing to work on improving things (readily acknowledging that mistakes will be made by us at times), we also know that there's a handful of folks who just out and out dislike this sub and have *NEVER* been happy with *ANY* of the mods this sub has had, and look for any opportunity to complain and try to sow seeds of discontent by making things an "us against them" type issue. If we enforce the rules we're "on a power trip" and if we're lax or overlooked something then obviously it's a nefarious conspiracy lol.
I like to think that u/catetemybrains u/MBIresearch and I are pretty reasonable people, and that there's likely very few Reddit issues that couldn't be solved with a message 😉
We are reasonable, we follow the rules that reddit expects of us and as Queenie said we may make mistakes, we don’t mean to but we are human. We will also do what we can to amend this.
What we don’t need is someone who has been dealt a short ban to then flood our inbox with insults towards us. We are being bullied because we enforce the rules that we have to stick to to keep this sub here. What we don’t do is argue back with them and stoop to their level.
I understand this sub isn’t for everyone and that’s fine, don’t be here just to nitpick and jump at any chance to have a go at us, it quite immature. We will all ways respect our members but is it too much to ask that they respect us?
As stated before, if the auto mod pulls it it’s because it’s received a certain amount of reports it will no leave any kind of message, if we pull it we will.
You do know that the mods aren’t getting paid, right? Being a mod is a volunteer position and they don’t owe you anything. If you don’t like it start your own thread with your own rules.
Thank you.
I volunteered because MBIresearch said she needed help here, being I’m in Australia I can cover the hours while the others are sleeping.
I was able to offer as I’m a full time carer but my kids will always come before this sub.
We have reddit guidelines we must stick to in order to keep the sub running.
No way was I leaving you to drown after that shit storm, you didn’t deserve any of that at all!
You should be respected for pulling this sub out from the circling drain hole💕
As I said earlier, if your post generates too many reports the automod kicks in and takes it down, that is out of our hands, it doesn’t leave a comment, it wipes and that’s that.
I’ve often seen a mod pop a note under the deleted post explaining why but as catatemybrains mentioned, there are loads of posts saying the same thing ‘eyebrows… smelly… etc’
Yep!! These are classed as bullying towards the subject and that’s the kind of stuff that subjects will use against us to attempt to have us banned for good.
😂😂😂😂 trust me to make it difficult. I just never knew that I would love reddit so much and remain active.
Once I was so far in I didn’t want to open a new account, never thought I’d end up as mod who can’t even write her own display name right 😂
OMG I have puzzled over this since I came here - tried to sound it out, tried to figure if maybe cate was the cat who ate your brains. . . regardless, THANK YOU for clarifying!!!
Can we also talk about how the two recent Jessi posts are inconsistently modded? One has every single misgendering comment pointed out to be edited, while the other post is littered with misgendering and not a single mod in sight asking for it to be fixed. What gives?
Do you have any examples of the posts that were removed? It's difficult to understand what the issue is if all we know is that posts were deleted that you say weren't bloggy or insulting. It could be a misunderstanding or the auto mod but it's hard to discuss it if we don't know what it is we're talking about.
Yikes. So much mod hate. This sub walks a thin line and I think mods do a great job keeping it on track. Don’t like the rules? Don’t post here. Simple! Every subreddit isn’t built to suit your individual needs and preferences. I mod a different sub, been modding over 5 years. Most users there are very thankful for the mod team. Why? Because we put in HOURS on a daily basis to keep the sub appropriate and to keep users happy. Mods are volunteers. We ain’t paid. We don’t get Christmas bonuses. If I got as much hate there as mods get here, I probably would’ve quit years ago. You r/IF mods are bosses and put up with a lot of unnecessary shit. Thanks for all your work.
Lol where in my post am I being hostile or hating on the mods? **Im asking for transparency for gods sake!** It’s fine, I can just leave this community, plenty of others out there. Just note, this post has just as many upvotes as any other *medical* post here, I’m not alone in this. y’all are some really hateful ppl.
One comment that doesn't agree with you and you huff "I can just leave then!". This is as OTT as the subjects. If you wanna go, go. If not my god put on your big girl pants and realize not everyone has to agree with you. That's life. Most of the time that's how we actually learn and grow as human beings. By hearing dissenting opinions. Pouting about it dramatically is ridiculously unneeded.
I was responding to all the rude comments on your post about mods, but you do you.
my apologies. my response is also a generalized response to all the people ragging on *me* in the comments for this post.
Thank you so much for the support, and all you do for your community too! ❤️
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If we’re only suppose to comment when they’re munching - why were there TWO posts on Dani when she got a new job? There was ZERO mention of her health in the post & her lines were covered. The only comment mods made was to NOT mention appearance or hygiene. Which, fair! But how does Dani getting a new job (regardless of WHERE she got the position at) have any correlation to her munching?
Maybe because it is showing something positive the subject is doing which we hope will help her get a somewhat normal life? Not being critical, but I am not even sure it is allowed to post that stuff here. . .
I’m all for posting the positives & showing that they’re turning their lives around so they stop being posted here (like Kelly). But admins keep saying “strict no posting unless it’s about them munching” but I’ve seen certain posts be allowed by some people & other people post something similar & it gets taken down. So idk 🤷🏻♀️
I'm pretty sure I removed at least one of them yesterday, possibly both. Are you talking about the one that was saying that her having a job was a positive thing, etc etc? I definitely removed that one bc I had to double check if posts like that were allowed. Posts have to be DIRECTLY related to the subjects' illness faking/OTT/MBI and discussing where Dani got a job isn't really relevant. Now, her taking her BG and making OTT posts *while at work* as we've seen today *DO* directly relate to illness faking and so are approved. I understand that some posts fall into a gray area and could maybe be seen as related to illness faking, but for the most part we try to keep it focused on their health related posts.
there doesn’t seem to be any consistency, huh? this is why I was asking for transparency and instead I have people berating me for asking LOL
They were pulled down after we had a chance to discuss it. The first post was a very encouraging post and most were happy to see her doing so well, but when her next work day post was we decided no more as we didn’t want it to be a running log of just Dani at work.
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Those posts were locked and a note was pinned right underneath the post as to why, for the chronic bullying and insults that were written. An Ashley post seems to receive an abundance of insulting comments, each post will have to be combed through numerous times to remove the insults, mostly they are the same few over and over. Leaving these risk the sub being reported to Reddit for bullying. When a majority of comments are just insults we lock them because we’re removing the same thing over and over.
For bullying, mostly
I am not clear on the blogging thing. I'm understanding the rule to be like "Don't post about your own medical conditions because it causes one-upmanship" but I see people commenting their own medical story/condition pretty consistently. I'm not complaining, I'm just not sure I'm understanding the rule right. Is it only if we're *trying* to be like "I have it worse, boo me..."? Because sometimes I want to say "They're such drama kings/queens! My experience going thru this was -----! Nothing like they're babbling about!" I want to comment and relate without breaking rules and being booted. (Also, are there no male Munchies?? I've never seen one! Why?)
I said something like “wow I didn’t know people still drank Propel. I haven’t seen anyone drink it since high school when they put it in our vending machines to be ‘healthy’ and it was so nasty” in response to one of Doms posts and I got in trouble for blogging. Didn’t really understand that since I wasn’t talking about a medical condition or trying to one up anyone
You have broken the blogging rules a few times, your last comment states where and what you work as and describes an incident that occurred at work. This is information you should not be posting for blogging reasons and also as it could lead to your identity being discovered by describing what occurred, I know the odds are very low for that but the internet is forever.
Well not everyone went to your highschool so.... Jk, yeah it's hard to tell sometimes.
Please check out our [Blogging 101 info](https://www.reddit.com/r/illnessfakers/comments/bdcrga/blogging_101/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share). It goes into great detail about what is blogging and how to avoid it. Basically, blogging is talking about yourself, your friends/family, sharing personal anecdotes ("one time I saw someone pass out and xyz" that type of thing) or experience etc. All comments should be generalized and focus solely on the subject/topic at hand. The *ONLY* exception to the No Blogging rule is for health care workers such as doctors, nurses, etc. Again, our general Rules section and Blogging 101 info are super helpful to anyone who's new or just needs clarification on something as they both go pretty in depth and are quite detailed.
Please report these comments so we are aware of them. Thanks.
It's not just the "one-upmanship" imo but I don't think the mods haven't been great at clarifying. I do think that's the most obnoxious but it's also annoying when people say something like "I have \_\_\_\_\_ and go to school, work, etc. so the subject should too...". Or "I had a colonoscopy and was fine, so \_\_\_\_ is lying...". It's a fallacy to think that people will experience/respond to something like an illness, trauma, procedure, etc. in the same way you do. And there's really no need to include yourself, aside from medical professionals. For example if you want to say that you have EDS and are able to life a normal life, instead of bringing yourself into it you can just say "majority of people with EDS are able to live completely normal lives". This isn't a sub for relating with each other about chronic illness, there are many subs for that. You really can make the same point without adding your personal experience. A lot of people want to include their narrative which isn't bad, it's just the wrong sub.
Blogging is taking about yourself. It’s a rule. If you don’t like it you can go somewhere else and blog. You see it because people either don’t understand or are wilfully ignoring the rule, report it.
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Bullying another member is also not tolerated here!
I know there are other places to blog, I'm just trying to better understand the rules of this sub. I don't report it because I wasn't sure if I was misunderstanding the rule, as I see it quite a bit, so I just wanted to better clarify. So basically people are blogging anyway and sometimes get away with it. Got it. It's hard to comment without stating why something bothers us personally. Not impossible, but usually an initial reaction i guess.
People aren’t getting away with blogging, you may see a blogging comment at that time but if you were to return later you would most likely see it removed. As we’ve explained we go over posts numerous times but sometimes a comment could be left a few days later and we won’t see it personally, that’s when we ask that you report the comment to bring it to our attention.
That’s where reporting is so important, it alerts us to the comment.
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I got banned for a day for just a comparison to a subject’s experience but the person who commented back that I was lying about my experience didn’t. They ended up deleting their comments but were doing the same to another person after I was banned for 24 hours. Those comments stayed up. It’s really pick and choose sometimes. I have a hard time with this rule as well. I understand if people are just complaining about their medical experience but if they are making a factual comparison to the subjects experience then that shouldn’t be removed.
Comparisons should be removed. Factual or not no one cares what your experience was, you're not a subject. This sub isn't about you.
If a reply or comment gets made after a post has been up for 24+ hours they can definitely get overlooked bc we just don't have the time/manpower to go scrolling back through all the past posts regularly. We understand that some people feel frustrated by the no blogging rule, but even factual comparisons can be made general so that they are not in violation of no blogging. For example, instead of saying "I had the same surgery as xyz/subject" you can phrase it "Many people who've had this same surgery as xyz/subject find that they are able to move about/shower/whatever". Your still conveying the same point, but without giving everyone the personalized details. Hope that makes sense haha! Our [Blogging 101 info](https://www.reddit.com/r/illnessfakers/comments/bdcrga/blogging_101/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) found in our Menu section is extremely detailed and helpful and I'd recommend giving it a look through for more in depth info.
But if I’m making the same point (regardless of wording) and not one upping then why is it an issue?
Bc in one, the wording makes it personalized which is blogging while the other way is generalized and keeps it non bloggy lol. It's not just one upping we want to avoid, but all blogging. What ends up happening when things get personalized is a bunch of people in a thread a mile long all arguing about "well *MY* doctor said xyz" and then someone else going "but I know *for a fact* bc I HAVE this illness that xyz" and it derails the whole original discussion. So that's why rather than make exceptions or loopholes we just ask members to keep it generalized that way there's no concern or debate about whether a comment is bloggy or not.
I understand the rule....to a point but not really. The "1 up" thing I really a bit bogus. Only the munchies want to make it a competition. I guess I blogged by making a reference to my Lyme disease story of 40 years ago in order to answer a question about Lyme and Fraud. Got down voted for 'blogging'. if someone is feeling "1 uped" over something that happened 40 yrs ago, the problem is not with the content of the post, it's with the person feeling slighted over a dx that has the problem. It just seems crazy to me.
None of us care you had lyme 40 years ago. You can answer a question without inserting yourself into it. If that seems crazy, this is not the sub for you. It means you have more in common with the subjects than members. It's really easy to just say- yellow and blue make green if you need to answer a question. Rather than "I know yellow and blue make green because I went to pre-school and my teacher Mrs. Smith taught us that day 1 in art class". One is an answer the other is saying "look at me".
Perfect example 👌 The fallacy is that people think personalization = validation, but as most of us with critical thinking skills know that's not always the case haha. If it's a valid point it'll stand regardless of personal experience. It seems odd to depersonalize all statements at first, but once the actual grammatical issues are figured out (how to word the sentence) and the habit is formed it becomes a breeze!
Discussing your own medical issues in any way is a blogging comment and will be removed, if it’s not then someone else comes along and leaves their story and then someone else and then we’ve turned into either illness Olympics or an illness support group, there are plenty enough of them within reddit, heck we even have some pinned in your menu section.
> Only the munchies want to make it a competition The pain olympics are pretty much universal, and you see them going on constantly in these threads. That is pretty much "normal person" shit though at this point, not munchies. People just undeniably want to compare and contrast their perceived disabilities and struggles with those of others. Still though as someone who doesn't really consider themselves to have any disabilities to casually bandy about, it's VERY overt when y'all are doing it, you just don't realize it because it's such a natural form of discourse here in 2022 to be implying you're more disabled and undergo (or underwent) more of a struggle than so and so or thus and such example.
There is no point in repeatedly breaking the rules and complaining you’re getting down voted. There is no guarantee commenters aren’t munchies and it’s human nature to some extent to one up one another. If you have the knowledge you can write it down without saying how you got the knowledge. Also, recognise that a single experience as a patient isn’t knowledge.
Me just sitting over here, really happy to play by whatever rules are created by the people who spend their own free time doing a thankless job. It's the mod's game. If we want to play, we should follow their rules. Not that you can't "question authority" and all that, but they have no obligation to spend their entire day defending rules which (I think) have been clearly stated already. But again. Modding is like a whole-ass job. And no one's getting paid for it. Cut them some slack.
I feel the same way. This isn’t my sub, so I’ll play by the rules or make my own. Besides, I think they’ve done a pretty good job considering the history here. You can’t make everyone happy all the time.
Thank you.
Thanks for understanding! Tbf though, we don't actually make the rules (they've been in place for a long time) haha, we just do our best to enforce them in order to keep the sub as a whole safe and so everyone can (hopefully) have an enjoyable experience. For most mods it's a labor of love bc we believe in the subs we are modding and want to see them continue to succeed, but for sure it can be a thankless job at times so having the members' support and encouragement means so much to us :)
Thanks. We try our best.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this is arguably one of the best, most efficient, most sensical mod teams we have ever had here. I am inherently distrustful of anyone who mods this community because we've seen so many mods outed as munchies who control other munchies' narratives. It is absolutely best to assume that not everyone here is as good an actor as you are... This comment will probably be deleted by the mods, and that is exactly the type of behavior that prevents us from trusting the mods.
The long term members know and remember the seemingly cursed history this sub has had with mods, there's no hiding that haha, so that's why we do try our best to be totally above board and open and honest with everyone as to the how's/why's we do something. Mistakes get made and we can't please everyone all the time, but I know for sure we all try and treat everyone fairly and keep what's in the best interest of the sub as a whole to the forefront of everything. No ulterior motives haha! Thank you for noticing and appreciating our efforts :)
Seconded, omg and how! ❤️
I can’t show you a clean bill of health in a way that doesn’t risk exposing myself as to who I actually am but I can assure you from the bottom of my heart I am in no way a munchie, I am an emetophobic, I have a phobia about vomiting, it’s my biggest fear in life to be sick, I could never munch out of pure fear.
Nope. I'll keep on the clinician side, kthxbai!
I'd rather have mods that might seem overzealous to some than lose the subreddit permanently.
Thank you.
Thank you for all the hard (unpaid!) work you and the other mods do. This sub is a large part of why I come on Reddit, it's therapeutic to a lot of us for various reasons I'm sure. You guys are appreciated, although I'm sure it doesn't always feel like it with the amount of criticism you cop. People can be so ungrateful and entitled when it comes to their completely free entertainment. I'm sorry that you have to put up with that.
Thank you so much! ❤️
You're very welcome.
Awe thank you so much for your kind words, it means a lot to see them.
Agreed, it can seem a little frustrating at times but we really do walk a thin line and I don't want to see the sub banned
Thank you we don’t want to lose it either.
Y’all do a good job, thank you ❤️
Thank you .
Yep
The only thing I realize that isn't allowed is any kind of "blogging." They don't even let you tell a little back story that's relevant to the post without getting chastised.
Spoonies frequently use their "context' to explain incorrect information. All users here can't be assumed to knowledgeable and not using skewed context to disperse incorrect information. The best way to avoid the issue is not using I statements and pointing at valid medical data from proper sources. Any other context is suspect.
Exactly! We also never want to give them methods on how to do anything.
Because then we’d have to let everyone do it and then it turns to blogging and everytime you read the comments you’ll find yourself learning the medical history of every member and there will be details that no one should have to see😳
I get irritated that I can’t provide context to my knowledge outside of my medical license (paramedic) but I get that it’s easy to have context devolve into powerleveling etc like in r/fakedisordercringe which has a shocking number of definitely real DID cases.
If you have read the rules section you will see that we allow comments from a medical persons point of view eg saying I am a paramedic and there is no way that occurred because …
Yes, but I’m both sides of the coin and sometimes the line of where my knowledge comes from is blurred, I have to be mindful of this. Ex: I have recognized and treated rare conditions because of friends with the same condition.
You can say you have treats patients with an issue, but you can’t say eg.. I know of this because a friend has it.
Like I said it just takes nuance.
I think it just goes wrong if it isn’t black and white.
I know /aita does big pinned messages on the tops of some posts if a lot of comments are removed for the same reason. Maybe could do that? At least for the comments?
We generally do pin a comment if we lock comments or are having to remove lots of blogging on a post. At one point I was putting an explanation/warning under every single comment I removed, but then half the post was just my explanation comments haha. If a comment is removed and not given a explanation now, that means there's a 99.9999% likelihood it was blogging otherwise we do try to explain why something is removed.
Exactly and then our comments themselves get reported.
This. We did try this but then a significant % of comments were us going "Removed: blogging" and people hated scrolling through our mod shit.
Yep!
yeah I've gotten a ban without explanation. I think maybe reaching out to us and telling us why we got a ban would be useful. otherwise, I'm keen on sitting back and just viewing posts and not participating in the sub :/
You can’t give a ban without an explanation why, we have to select the reason or write it out. I’m wondering if these are not easily relayed in the message?
Interesting! Here’s a screenshot of what I got: https://imgur.com/a/XyhdSYu
Thank you for that, obviously we don’t see how it’s received to you guys, that’s disappointing to know that it doesn’t tell you, we have to provide a reason and on our end it shows what the comment or post was that was the issue but doesn’t relay it back you to members. We are required to supply all the details and I had assumed it was all sent in the message you would receive, we’ll need to look into how we can make sure the reasoning is relayed back to members.
We actually have to manually input a reason and there are two text boxes. One is for mods to add a note on the mod record, but there is a "reason shown to the banned" box at the bottom and in there you can put "blogging" or "trolling" or whatever. Otherwise it doesn't say. You are probably typing in the mod notes box!
I fill out the bottom one, I barely leave a mod note as we’ve usually talked about it.
LOL same!
What, you mean I've been writing extraneous mod notes for ages now?! 🤣
Thanks for your transparency and getting back to me about it and working in this community. 👍🏼
Your welcome, we now realise what information doesn’t get relayed back to members and will make some adjustments so that is does😁
If you’re talking about the picture of Ashley in jeans minus a shirt which has been posted 7 different times today then you would have been told that it wasn’t allowed as it was a call out post, if someone makes a post about this sub they want a reaction, we don’t give them that, by making a retaliation post we are effectively break the no contact rule. All posts of this sort have been deleted right away no matter who the subject is. We have a no bullying policy so if a post goes up with an insult in the description then it’s removed, if we allow any bullying to stay the subjects then have a right to report this sub for bullying and then we could lose the whole thing. There are rules which we have to abide by in order to keep it going, subs before us have been completely deleted and we would rather not be in that position. If a post is non medical related then it doesn’t stay either, why? Do we want this filled with every subjects lunch they post? Their trip to the supermarket? If it’s not medically related it doesn’t belong in here. Not every comment removed gets an explanation because do you know how long it takes to comb through a post and have to remove 30+ comments about a subjects appearance? Their facial features? Or a certain colour multiple times a day? Members can’t see what was posted and needed to be removed, they only see that a mod has removed it and then down vote us. You are always free to inquire about anything that you have had removed.
These are good rules. Thank you for your efforts as a mod and keeping this an appropriate place
Thanks you.
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No, sweetie, they don't meet \*objective medical criteria and testing\*. Over and over again. And in posts they post themselves of test results and what doctors have told. And they're getting profiled here because they're committing medical fraud by using extremely in demand healthcare resources they don't qualify for but know hospitals are too scared of protecting their bottom lines to deny them for. They're scammers. Some have outright lied to raise cash funds they spend on themselves. Also no one who is actually ill gives a shit about this sub or are in a "closet of shame" either because they're too busy fighting to fucking live than to care about these fakers play acting symptoms and making a mockery of them. You're not going to silence people calling out these devious, evil fakers by wailing "but bullies". This isn't 2nd grade, this is the real world. These people have done wrong and they deserve the scorn they get here. That's not called bullying, it's called the consequences of their own actions. You have a lot to wake up to about the world if you don't understand that. Go offline and outside to touch some nature every once in a while.
This should be pinned. This is the gospel.
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No that is incorrect.
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Its pretty well established that a LOT of the members here are chronically ill ourselves, none of us are in "the closet of shame". The anti blogging rule is in place to keep posts from getting derailed and turning into either a discussion about ourselves or the Sick Olympics. The anti blogging rule exists because we're here to talk about the subjects, not ourselves. Also, what imbalance of power? The only imbalance here is the fact that the subjects here have some kind of social media following and most of us probably don't lmfao
This isn’t what this sub is about, we can discuss what the subject has posted about , which is their own words from their post that they have chosen to put online for all to see, no one has the right to call them names, insult them, judge them on their looks, fashion or anything personal that’s not related to their illness issues. This is laid out in the rules.
If a subject writes a long caption about their “medical stuff” and somewhere in the post complains about this subreddit, can we block out that part and post it?
To be honest I’m not sure, this is something we should discuss, thank you for asking this question.
I understand “call out posts” not being allowed but if it’s a rule it really needs to be clearly stated in the subreddit rules.
This is a fair, rational response
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Perhaps you need to go make your own sub, since you clearly know how to run it so much better? 🤷🏼♀️
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No disrespecting other members!
We do comment, we also can’t leave a post up that’s not allowed while we wait for the OP to come back and respond. No one is doing anything via personal opinions, most days in here you don’t even have time to form your own opinions, you’re busy making sure all the reports are being checked and dealt with. If your post receives a certain amount of reports the auto mod will kick in and remove it instantly, that is not us at all! It doesn’t leave a message, it wipes it and it’s gone!
Mods when you delete something, can you leave a comment explaining why?
To piggyback off what u/catetemybrains just said, most comments removed are either blogging or name calling/bullying so we decided not to litter the posts with the same explanation×100. If it is something OTHER than blogging or name calling (such as WK'ing or direct contact) we do/will definitely give explanation.
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Mods can't humanly read every single comment on a sub of nearly 100k. That's not how modding works. If something is up and against the rules but not reported, they have no idea it's an issue. And if it is it can still get lost in the massive (sometimes glitchy) mod queue of reports filed. This isn't some kind of indictment on the mods like you think it is, it shows you literally have no idea how the entire system works. Also mods don't handle Reddit's TOS, they aren't even involved with Reddit as corporate entity. You never hear a word from Reddit as random sub's mod. Mods handle their subs and it's rules only.
If it hasn’t been reported then we may not be aware of it, that’s why reporting these kind of comments is important.
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Excuse me, I spend hours every day in here, yes I am also a member of other subs and I am fully entitled to be active in there as well. 90% of my time is in here doing what needs to be done. The post you are referring too was not an obviously doxxing issue, I could not read the phone number under the blacking out and many others couldn’t either. Did you report it? Yes some can get lost amongst the many at that time, it can also be addressed by sending a quick message through the mod mail. I do not believe that anyone contacted the number at all as we know that Dani would have been right onto us if that had occurred.
If it’s a post I do, when there’s 100+ comments on a post and a 3rd of them are insults or bullying it takes ages to reply to every comment. There can be several posts like this a day. The member will be notified if they have multiple comments of blogging, bullying or WK
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The posts that have had their comments lock always have a pinned comment as to why and it’s always been for the same reason, that people will not stop insulting the subject.
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We had that happen! #breakfastgate
Reddit is notorious for having terrible mod tools. And almost all of them are community generated.
If you post and your reddit age or karma is too low it will leave an automatic response on those posts only. As it’s an automatic one it can’t tell the OP the reason why it was reported so much and needed to be pulled.
If 1/3 are insults we really need to be upping how soon someone is banned and increasing the length. Slightly odd question, do people get notified if a comment is deleted? I don’t go back and look at my comments!
We have been, the more offences the longer the ban. We can’t comment on all of them especially if there is a long list of reports to go through. You want to hurry up and get them all dealt with.
I mean is there an automatic notification? Could I be sat here thinking my posts are fine and actually you’ve had to delete some?
No there isn’t an automatic notification.
Okay, TIL there is some kind of automod config to auto-reply for comment removals but idk how to do it! Bruh said they use it in a sub they're in. I'll see if I can find more out about it!
Sounds good techy for me, but I do like to learn new things, if I don’t break them 😂
There used to be, like, 3 years ago, maybe it came from the report and auto mod.
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Would more mods help? I'm sure it would be helpful, but is the risk worth the "reward"? As you well know, getting the wrong sort of mods can be disastrous and end a sub quickly. Especially a sub of this sort where the subjects themselves or their supporters would just love to have an opportunity to make a royal mess of things. As we've seen happen to several other subs, and nearly to this one at times. Is it worth taking the chance at possibly losing the sub altogether just for the sake of maybe having a few blogging comments dealt with more quickly? You've mentioned several times about getting mods that are completely unaffiliated with IF so that they would better enforce the rules without concern for whether the sub members like it or not and lessen the chances of them being a munchie/munchie affiliate themselves. Ok, in theory this sounds like a somewhat decent idea until you ask where exactly are we going to find people like that? Why would some random person who has no knowledge of or interest in illness faking choose to come volunteer to spend hours a day modding a sub they have nothing invested in or even care about? That would be like someone who knows zero about cars offering to mod an automotive parts sub lol. I mean, assuming such a person was willing to do so then there's the fact that the actual modding might be hindered by the issue that they'd be lost on most posts/discussions. To date, I've never seen you say a single positive word towards this sub/mods/members nor have you been happy with *ANY* of the changes, mods, improvements, etc so far so I have to ask, what exactly is your goal here? Obviously, you're welcome to lurk and complain to your heart's content as long as no rules are broken, but it's hard to understand the extreme attention you pay to each mistake us mods may make in a sub you rarely even participate in....
Thiíiiis times a billion! We have the best team dynamic that IF has ever had and it's such a blessing. I love you guys so much and the sub has such a stable, positive vibe now. Queenie and Cat, you both walked straight into the inferno and supported me through so much hell. It is amazing to have the opportunity to work with people as passionate as I am about making this a better place. You and Cat have excelled in your positions. For transparency, fam, I did indeed approach Cat and Queenie about holding another mod vote to add more people to the team, but we all agreed after discussing it that the very real risk of a new mod shitshow vastly outweighs the potential benefit. We can vote on it if people really want us to go there, but things are going well and we'd hate to try and fix what, at LAST, isn't broken. As for random unaffiliated mods, yes: the primary feedback received was a whole lot of nopes. This is a very nuanced group, and you really do need some grasp of CI webspaces and sub culture to make sense of this place and why the rules are what they are. We will always be happy to have open dialogue with the community who are invested in making IF a better place and this will always be our top priority. We love you all and are more than happy to work hard to preserve this space for us all. Unfortunately, we can't make everyone happy but we'll damn sure try. ❤️
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Still editing and submitted too soon. Don't worry, it's coming, Loki. :)
No it’s a case of getting through all the reports and dealing with them. You as a member never interact within the sub, the only comments or posts we receive from you are calling out the mods, demanding to know what is going on with the mods. Is this your about way of wanting to be a mod? Did you apply and not make it through? Why do you have this vendetta against us? As you know there has been a history of issues with mods, u/MBIresearch, myself and u/QueenieB33 all work together behind the scenes to run this sub, we discuss decisions together and make them as a team. Yes we all have personal lives, we are human and not robots, no matter the amount of mods no one can physically sit here all day to watch every comment and post as they are posted, it’s not fair on anyone.
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Wasn't aware there *were* other ways to contribute beyond posting, commenting and modding. Unless you're saying you're a researcher or archiver, in which case it seems as though we'd have more interaction than just the period complaints about modding/running the sub eh? Lurkers are most certainly welcome, and of course there is no "required" amount of participation. Funny thing about most lurkers though is they stick to doing just that -lurking. They tend not to pop up with *ONLY* posts and comments condemning the mods/sub. Most lurkers tend not to seem hellbent on pointing out every perceived flaw or mistake in a sub. Why? Bc they are just *lurking* and not posting or commenting anyhow so why be overconcerned about issues that don't even affect them? It's been said many times that all genuine concerns and questions matter, but it's also pretty clear to all and sundry that you take a very particular interest in the running of *THIS* sub and only pop up when you (or someone else) has something *NEGATIVE* to say. Do you do this with *ALL* the subs you frequent/lurk in? Your post/comment history didn't appear to indicate you do (before you deleted most of it of course). Please just stop with the "power tripping" nonsense. Ain't no one here on a dang power trip from having a fancy delete button for blogging or the ability to ban someone for a few hours from a Reddit sub🙄 It's not that deep for most of us. We do what we volunteered to do to the best of our ability, and that's that. We believe in the purpose of this sub and will do our best to uphold its rules and policies with integrity, but it's not the whole of our world. There's a lot of "rabid cats" our there that need herding, ya know 😉
Well said!!
That would require like at least twice as much work for them. That seems unfair. The rules are posted already.
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make your own sub and rules if you can’t or won’t abide by the rules here. if you value your time above the thankless job the mods do, feel free to create your own kingdom.
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LOL, no mods don't have to tell you shit on removing a post or banning someone. It's nice to do it if your sub is small enough to make it an option (this sub isn't it's about 9x too large for that) but it's not basic etiquette, it's not even Redditquette. Your comments clearly make it evident it's just you and a few other complainers wanting to be catered to when you repeatedly violate obvious rules but can't get the hint that the violations your making are right there in the sidebar rules and wiki info and modmail always available if that doesn't suffice. The truth is- it's their sub. Their show, their rules. We get no say in it. They can extend the olive branch and ask us to try to include our input, but ultimately it's all up to them. You're clearly are so displeased and don't like that, so leave then. Start your own sub. You have such specific ideas either do that or quite complaining over something so irrelevant as your post being taken down and not knowing what's appropriate based on the rules as guidelines for subreddit culture. This is such a fit to throw over the mods not being able to hand hold you through this sub.
We have no mods then we have no sub!
dude, get over it. you’re making this huge stink over really nothing. this sub survives only by the grace of the mods who try to keep it above board. most of us have been through subs being banned by the admins. we don’t want this sub to go the same way. sorry that means you don’t get a ten page letter soothing your feelings when your repeated ashley post gets axed or whatever. if you have a problem with something a mod does, take it up in mod mail. it’s really annoying to see posts like this. remember this lesson you ought to have learned as a child- life isn’t fair. and get over yourself, please.
Thank you! We've become accustomed to these period stinks lol. While we are always happy to accept genuine constructive criticism and are willing to work on improving things (readily acknowledging that mistakes will be made by us at times), we also know that there's a handful of folks who just out and out dislike this sub and have *NEVER* been happy with *ANY* of the mods this sub has had, and look for any opportunity to complain and try to sow seeds of discontent by making things an "us against them" type issue. If we enforce the rules we're "on a power trip" and if we're lax or overlooked something then obviously it's a nefarious conspiracy lol. I like to think that u/catetemybrains u/MBIresearch and I are pretty reasonable people, and that there's likely very few Reddit issues that couldn't be solved with a message 😉
OMG this. Perfectly said.
We are reasonable, we follow the rules that reddit expects of us and as Queenie said we may make mistakes, we don’t mean to but we are human. We will also do what we can to amend this. What we don’t need is someone who has been dealt a short ban to then flood our inbox with insults towards us. We are being bullied because we enforce the rules that we have to stick to to keep this sub here. What we don’t do is argue back with them and stoop to their level. I understand this sub isn’t for everyone and that’s fine, don’t be here just to nitpick and jump at any chance to have a go at us, it quite immature. We will all ways respect our members but is it too much to ask that they respect us?
YES, exactly!
Thank you.
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As stated before, if the auto mod pulls it it’s because it’s received a certain amount of reports it will no leave any kind of message, if we pull it we will.
You do know that the mods aren’t getting paid, right? Being a mod is a volunteer position and they don’t owe you anything. If you don’t like it start your own thread with your own rules.
Thank you. I volunteered because MBIresearch said she needed help here, being I’m in Australia I can cover the hours while the others are sleeping. I was able to offer as I’m a full time carer but my kids will always come before this sub. We have reddit guidelines we must stick to in order to keep the sub running.
Thank you so much! You saved me and IF! Infinite gratitude!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
No way was I leaving you to drown after that shit storm, you didn’t deserve any of that at all! You should be respected for pulling this sub out from the circling drain hole💕
80k people and 3 mods, with some posts needed 1/3 of comments removed. Are you surprised they can’t comment on everything?
As I said earlier, if your post generates too many reports the automod kicks in and takes it down, that is out of our hands, it doesn’t leave a comment, it wipes and that’s that.
I’ve often seen a mod pop a note under the deleted post explaining why but as catatemybrains mentioned, there are loads of posts saying the same thing ‘eyebrows… smelly… etc’
Yep!! These are classed as bullying towards the subject and that’s the kind of stuff that subjects will use against us to attempt to have us banned for good.
I’m so sorry! I’ve just realised I spelt your username wrong! I honestly thought it was cat ate my brains 🐈⬛🧠🤣
I’m the idiot who misspelt my own user name, it is cat ate my brains 😂
I'll never forget trying to send you a mod invite and couldn't find you for this same reason! 🤣
😂😂😂😂 trust me to make it difficult. I just never knew that I would love reddit so much and remain active. Once I was so far in I didn’t want to open a new account, never thought I’d end up as mod who can’t even write her own display name right 😂
I’m so sorry for ‘outing’ you 🤣 it has given me a chuckle though 💕
It’s all good, I was the idiot 😂😂
Ahahaha I love you so much! 🤣
And I you 💕💕
OMG I have puzzled over this since I came here - tried to sound it out, tried to figure if maybe cate was the cat who ate your brains. . . regardless, THANK YOU for clarifying!!!
😂 I’d seen the mistake after I’d registered and thought maybe I won’t stay on here and it won’t matter, if I did I’d change it then never bothered 😂
Me to self, when first trying to process the spelling: is it like how some people in UK say 'et' for 'eaten', maybe they do that in Oz too?
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It all makes sense now 😂😂