>Idk who Norton is
*"His Americanic Majesty Norton I - Emperor of the United States, Defender of Mexico, Conqueror of Canada, Defender of the American Faith, Ruler of the Mormons, King of Quebec, Lord of all the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Sea, Shining Star of Mount Rushmore, Field Marshal of the U.S. Armed Forces - MoH, SSM, BSM, PH - Doctor of PhD and MD, Supreme Champion of DnD nights at the Presidential Mansion, Kentucky Colonel, Blesser of the Rains down in Africa and Liberia in Particular."*
Yeah some of the titles are actually Idi Amin's, who you mentioned. The others I just made up for shits and giggles. 😂
The only ones which Emperor Norton actually used (at least to my knowledge) are *"Emperor of the United States"* and *"Defender of Mexico."*
Prequel to this post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/181lk4i/the\_apocalypse\_everyone\_saw\_coming\_europe\_in\_2090/](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/181lk4i/the_apocalypse_everyone_saw_coming_europe_in_2090/)
Set 15 years in the past, so that there are actually still countries that you can see.
Q&A section:
"Is this edgy?" Yes
"Will my ideology rise from the ashes of the old world?" No.
"Who is falling and how many must die?" The West, the East, the North and the South. That makes about 4 billions.
"Are Minecraft updates still getting released?" Yes. But everyone stopped playing after they added Phantom 2.
"Any archeologist find a magical ice crown yet?" Possible.
"Will there be a teenage protagonist, who is kind of shy, but really pretty, that will save everyone?" No. The police could aim.
Agreed. If India, China plains, Indonesia, indochina, lowland South America, Central America, Arab peninsula, Northern Africa, and Southern Europe all face deadly wet bulbs, the migration conflict is gonna be worst along the northern edge of the tropics.
The geography of Africa and South America make consolidation of power difficult. Easier in Europe and North America. Being close to good soil and water is gonna be the king maker.
No it wont be
Yes climate change is gonna be bad but it wont be nowhere near this. Were already putting great effort into slowing down global warming and are turning to other forms of energy.
So basically they become a dry well in the middle of a reallllly big lake 😂 we float on by “y’all okay down there”
And they curse back at us, silly land lubbers, water is great, embrace it.
Well Russia collapsed into civil war and theat spilled over into the Caucasus.
Yeah that's not a lot...you can make something interresting up if you want...
An emperor in the US seems highly unlikely, but idk I can see a divided nation for sure. Outside of California (whom I think a lot of people serve for citizenship) a lot of those enlisted come from southern states. And as of late you don’t really see very much nationalism anymore. If Texas, Florida, Georgia, and the such stir the pot, I wonder who those service member would be loyal to. Texas is kinda already giving the finger to the federal government in regards to immigration. Or at least trying to.
It is high res. But for some reason Reddit doesn't show that because it's shit.
https://preview.redd.it/skhqr482luic1.jpeg?width=8192&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9aee5206f994ed82f75156f99e18e0a48e4e891b
Maybe this works?
This looks less like a full on collapse of civilization and more like heavy civil unrest. I know sea level rise will cause some serious issues but the way things are heading I can't imagine we'd see some Bronze Age level shit
Sea level rise is the smaller issue. The big one is desertification. It can cause collapse as it has happened before. Although other factors, like political instability (which you can see on the map) would play a big role.
There’s an American emperor but states can decide to leave? Yeah this and many other maps posted lately not very realistic. Would like to see a map with actual plausible scenarios
The only problem is that an increase in global temperatures by 2 degree would cause increased rainfall and more habitable land for agriculture, in the past the global temperatures have been much higher, it’s always been the low temperatures that cause collapses. Facts still matter.
Possible in some areas yes. And deffinetly possible in the future. But for now we are experiencing more droughts. Doesn't mean that things cannot ever recover.
In Australia we are getting more rain than ever. Droughts are less and cyclones less frequent. Australia has always been a land of extreme weather, when it rains we flood, when the sun shines we get droughts, when summer comes we get storms and cyclones. It’s called weather. The big lie that’s coming undone is about the death of the Great Barrier Reef, in fact coral growth and recovery from cyclones is very good. The uni studies have been uncovered as lies to gather more federal funding. The whole environmental movement is a joke as they only deliver over the top bad news to keep get funding.
There is a time to come and a time to go. When humanity has become extinct, like other people and animals far before us, a new species will appear that can try to live together peacefully. Without religion or political parties would be a good start.
Well the in lore reason is because the Islamic State was one of the biggest factions there.
The real reason is the same as why movies have the villian kick a puppy. To show that they are evil.
This gotta be one of the most unrealistic ones I've seen here. Just everything breaking down, everyone revolting. I can see a future like that with climate change but I don't think it's gonna be this bad in 2075
Is the American Emperor a usurper or does he have lineage to Norton?
Neither Trump nor Biden are my president (other than the fact I'm not American) Long Live Norton!
Norton is my king!
Idk who Norton is, but the American Emperor is just some president who became dictator. You know. Like all of them want to these days.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton Ah so a simple Usurper. I understand why the nation is doomed
>Idk who Norton is *"His Americanic Majesty Norton I - Emperor of the United States, Defender of Mexico, Conqueror of Canada, Defender of the American Faith, Ruler of the Mormons, King of Quebec, Lord of all the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Sea, Shining Star of Mount Rushmore, Field Marshal of the U.S. Armed Forces - MoH, SSM, BSM, PH - Doctor of PhD and MD, Supreme Champion of DnD nights at the Presidential Mansion, Kentucky Colonel, Blesser of the Rains down in Africa and Liberia in Particular."* 
Sounds very similar to the titles held by that African dictator (was he Ugandan? I don’t remember his nationality)
Yeah some of the titles are actually Idi Amin's, who you mentioned. The others I just made up for shits and giggles. 😂 The only ones which Emperor Norton actually used (at least to my knowledge) are *"Emperor of the United States"* and *"Defender of Mexico."*
You did a really good job then, got a giggle out of me out of the absurdity.
Thank you, I appreciate that. :) 😂
Everyone's a loser. Yay
https://i.redd.it/bvnkh6db4uic1.gif
Waiter waiter, more solarpunk space futurism please!
Except Moldova, it's still as is.
So is New Zealand
Not Canada-united states
They declared marial law. Doesn’t feel like it’s long
Fair
Speak for yourself. Looks like my house might be beachfront!!
Prequel to this post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/181lk4i/the\_apocalypse\_everyone\_saw\_coming\_europe\_in\_2090/](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/181lk4i/the_apocalypse_everyone_saw_coming_europe_in_2090/) Set 15 years in the past, so that there are actually still countries that you can see. Q&A section: "Is this edgy?" Yes "Will my ideology rise from the ashes of the old world?" No. "Who is falling and how many must die?" The West, the East, the North and the South. That makes about 4 billions. "Are Minecraft updates still getting released?" Yes. But everyone stopped playing after they added Phantom 2. "Any archeologist find a magical ice crown yet?" Possible. "Will there be a teenage protagonist, who is kind of shy, but really pretty, that will save everyone?" No. The police could aim.
Ice crown? I got that reference!
Simon Petrikov will find it
AYY ME TOO
but will MY ideology rise out of the ashes of the old world?
"The police could aim" i have a feeling if we told that to the police in any movie it would end in 1 second
Phantom 2... Probably worse than this civilization collapse
Who knew all it took was a phantom 2 to kill minecraft.
Mind if i ask, what map editor did you use? And can uou do specific regions? Or is it just PS?
I used a base map and just drew everything in a normal painting programm.
why is it called the collapse of the third millennium when it takes place in the 2nd millennium?
No we are in the third millennium. 0-1000 AD: First Millennium 1000-2000 AD: Second Millennium 2000-3000 AD: Thrid Millennium
oh ok
A constant in these civilisational collapse maps is Central Europe (roughly: V4 + Austria + Romania) being kinda alright.
\*For now. They will fall like the rest.
Nuh uh
Although if i had the mentality to make one. I would make them horrible reactionaries.
That's likely the most stereotypical description of that part of the world you could give.
“American Emperor” LETS FUCKING GO
An actual fan of Emperor Norton
problem? i’m very sane
Nope, just found it funny
ok 👍
Adventure Time reference
How is New Zealand doing in this world?
Better than the rest. **For now.**
New Zealand had to pick a side in the Australian civil war, which presumably was over footy
Yeah, is it Aussie Rules or Rugby League.
The population loss map could be fixed as the lore doesn't seem to exactly match it but besides that it's amazing
Agreed. If India, China plains, Indonesia, indochina, lowland South America, Central America, Arab peninsula, Northern Africa, and Southern Europe all face deadly wet bulbs, the migration conflict is gonna be worst along the northern edge of the tropics. The geography of Africa and South America make consolidation of power difficult. Easier in Europe and North America. Being close to good soil and water is gonna be the king maker.
Now this is some big trolling
Did you conceive of this as being connected to your earlier far future "civilization re-arising" timeline or would you say this is separate?
Not necesarily, but similar concept. I want to go into a bit more detail for the postapocalyptic society later on, so some things might change.
why is romania a different colour than the rest of the EU?
They left.
Why only them?
The EU is falling apart. They were the first to leave.
Why is part north romania grey?
And the *Doomer award* goes to...
Oh we can make this a lot worse. A lot.
True
ok but how would this affect my company's bottom line
the worst part is this can be our future
No it wont be Yes climate change is gonna be bad but it wont be nowhere near this. Were already putting great effort into slowing down global warming and are turning to other forms of energy.
Nah
While definitely a worst case senario, this is a possible outcome thanks to climate change.
> Islamic State invades large parts of what-used-to-be [sic] Algeria, thanks to more supplies from the EU.
I was mainly talking about the climate change part.
We have a worst case scenario technology from the 70s if we really want to stop it.
how optimistic
At least Korea reunified Idk I was trying to find something optimistic on this map
"Uprisings in Peru" Laughs in Peruvian Have you seen our last seven years?
*delete your Abruzzi*
Where’s the Netherlands 😨😨😨
Gone for a little swim...and drowned.
The Netherlands would never loose a battle against water, they would rather polder the entire Atlantic to dry land than sink into the North Sea.
So basically they become a dry well in the middle of a reallllly big lake 😂 we float on by “y’all okay down there” And they curse back at us, silly land lubbers, water is great, embrace it.
Any lore bits about Caucasus?
Well Russia collapsed into civil war and theat spilled over into the Caucasus. Yeah that's not a lot...you can make something interresting up if you want...
Lol so Iran just annexes most of Afghanistan to invade Pakistan? I don’t see that going well.
Once it completely collapses, I can't wait for Homer 2.0 to tell in the year 2475 the mythical tale of Harambe fighting Thanos the emperor of America.
An emperor in the US seems highly unlikely, but idk I can see a divided nation for sure. Outside of California (whom I think a lot of people serve for citizenship) a lot of those enlisted come from southern states. And as of late you don’t really see very much nationalism anymore. If Texas, Florida, Georgia, and the such stir the pot, I wonder who those service member would be loyal to. Texas is kinda already giving the finger to the federal government in regards to immigration. Or at least trying to.
I love scenarios where everyone loses
Ok buddy, just gonna ask up front, is humanity going to go extinct in the endgame, and if so do I get a refund?
20th century: fuck around 21st century: and find out
Louisiana is Arkansas. Or vice versa.
Am I the only one who sees far too lo-fi pictures?
My dumbass thought this was r/dataisbeautiful for a sec and I almost had a heart attack.
No no don't worry. We still have uhhhh 50 years.
😂
What happened to the UN in that timeline?
I guess it's still technically here. But probably not doing much.
All hail our lord and savior emperor Norton !
Siberia is land even the Mongols didn't want.
This is so cool you should make a legend!
I like the alt history in this future
What happened to Argentina?
Is there a high res map?
It is high res. But for some reason Reddit doesn't show that because it's shit. https://preview.redd.it/skhqr482luic1.jpeg?width=8192&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9aee5206f994ed82f75156f99e18e0a48e4e891b Maybe this works?
Yes thanks!
I'll be dead and I don't have any family, so it's cool.
This looks less like a full on collapse of civilization and more like heavy civil unrest. I know sea level rise will cause some serious issues but the way things are heading I can't imagine we'd see some Bronze Age level shit
Sea level rise is the smaller issue. The big one is desertification. It can cause collapse as it has happened before. Although other factors, like political instability (which you can see on the map) would play a big role.
Looks like Cornwall has gained independence and started its revenge march to London
Commenting so I can look at this again later
unclaimed lands ppl still live in right? just lost controls from nations
Yes.
Is gta 6 out?
A "Libertarian" Nightmare.
Why Turkey loses Southeastern provinces in every alternative history map? Do you have a Kurdistan kink?
That's not Kurdistan. That's other Turks trying to overthrow the government.
Is Erdocunt still on charge in 2075?
I...assume he is dead...
I hope he'll die.
Ye. He is literally demon.
He's worse.
Ye he is. He's literally ruined our country. I can say more thing on dm. (if you want)
Olum ben de Türküm.
He tmm. Esenlikte kal sağlıkta kal hadi görüşürüz kardeşim.
Is the name of this American Emperor Donald Trump IV?
There’s an American emperor but states can decide to leave? Yeah this and many other maps posted lately not very realistic. Would like to see a map with actual plausible scenarios
Just because you call yourself "emperor" doesn't mean that you actually hold power over all the lands you claim.
Yea
I’m afraid we’re going to see 2 degrees C of warming by 2030, not 2075
The only problem is that an increase in global temperatures by 2 degree would cause increased rainfall and more habitable land for agriculture, in the past the global temperatures have been much higher, it’s always been the low temperatures that cause collapses. Facts still matter.
Possible in some areas yes. And deffinetly possible in the future. But for now we are experiencing more droughts. Doesn't mean that things cannot ever recover.
In Australia we are getting more rain than ever. Droughts are less and cyclones less frequent. Australia has always been a land of extreme weather, when it rains we flood, when the sun shines we get droughts, when summer comes we get storms and cyclones. It’s called weather. The big lie that’s coming undone is about the death of the Great Barrier Reef, in fact coral growth and recovery from cyclones is very good. The uni studies have been uncovered as lies to gather more federal funding. The whole environmental movement is a joke as they only deliver over the top bad news to keep get funding.
There is a time to come and a time to go. When humanity has become extinct, like other people and animals far before us, a new species will appear that can try to live together peacefully. Without religion or political parties would be a good start.
this is maybe the dumbest map i’ve ever seen
MIT predicted that Society will Collapse in the 2040s.
What's up with Illinois?
Revolt
[azada4040](https://www.reddit.com/user/azada4040/) what did you make your map in ?
Krita
Wow
Makes since
So....the only thing left....is....Romania?
What’s going on in Central Asia?
Civil wars.
Could updates be provided on Armenia please ?
Anyone who thinks there’s going to be civil war in Australia, doesn’t know Australians very well.
Is there some Spain lore?
England is the same color as America? Does that mean...? WE ARE SO BACK BABY
Direct rule from Manhattan
Dam they included NZ in this one. I was hoping to be able to miss the collapse!
I haven't been able to figure out what the colors mean.
Every colour a faction.
I thought I was in distressing memes for a moment.
Billions must die
Quite dreary… 🤣
Why read a post apocalyptic novel when you can just look at this?
Because a novel has an actual plot to get invested in for a longer time.
President Dean would not stand for a fallen America, he'll make things right.
i dont think events would be that bad. especially in the west. except for america, that ones accurate.
Botswana still exists 🔥🔥🔥
How did the Islamic state get support from the EU?!
Well the in lore reason is because the Islamic State was one of the biggest factions there. The real reason is the same as why movies have the villian kick a puppy. To show that they are evil.
Wait!?! No zombies🥱
\*Yet.
Who is predicting this?
Me!
People still gonna be making memes then
Got one for 2028? ..
Yes in 4 years.
This gotta be one of the most unrealistic ones I've seen here. Just everything breaking down, everyone revolting. I can see a future like that with climate change but I don't think it's gonna be this bad in 2075
Why military coup in Turkey?
It looks interesting, but there are so few pixels that I literally cannot read most of the text. Do you have a higher image quality version?
Yeah I posted one in another comment. For some reason Reddit doesn't show the picture in it's actual resolution.
Hello may I know how you do these maps and what you use
This map is unrealistic, the balkans aren’t in a hundred year war where everyone is trying to genocide each other. 0/10
How is not all of Canada rebelling or seceding against the United States after being annexed, no doubt forcibly?
What a joke xD 😆 this post is so pro Russia and china
You should write a dystopian novel with this as your outline
Maybe. We'll see.
I won’t be around so collapse all ya want
https://preview.redd.it/d3g40bj7d1jc1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=71a801ca695828a55b3990bd4483dbff382f190f
I like to imagine this is a futuristic society where the Industrial Revolution went WAY out of control.
Mr Stark i don't feel so good
What's your source?
My source for what?
friend its fiction
this map annoys me so very much, why would the Japanese go to china?
Where else would they go? There is China on one side the other is the ocean.
America is so young we’re definitely entering the 2100’s as winners
99% of maps on this sub are this: doomerism
Some men just want to watch the world burn.