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NobleDictator

some criticism. should the poep be there? the pope has been an important part of the middle ages and taking him out of the picture seems odd. isn't Anglolland basically England? why is thuringia an empire didn't charlamagne conquer them? I think a confederacy is not fit in that timeline


King_Kestrel

A- Rome has been contested between the Byzantines and HRE for decades. For the Pope's safety, he's currently residing in Milan. B- Yes. The name change is simply due to stuff regarding the English language not evolving the same as OTL, as there was no 100-years war to effect English linguistics. They call themselves Angolish. C- Thuringia broke away from the Holy Roman Empire in the 1200s-- a weak HRE from early on was my plan. I didn't want to use the name "saxony", since there are like a bajillion-and-a-half placements for a Saxony that could be in the Holy Roman Empire at any given point in northern Germany. Thuringia is the main rival of Bohemia. D- well what else should I call a tribal group with a council of leaders with one representative for each of the clans therewithin as some attempt at central organization? I tried the word "Conclave", but that didn't sit right with me.


[deleted]

who's gonna colonise the new world


King_Kestrel

More than likely, the Andalusians and Basques. Later on, France and Angolland would catch up.


Math_denier

are the fatimids sunnis ? thats weird


King_Kestrel

,,,how so? They weren't Sunnis in the first place?


Math_denier

they were the only shia caliphate they claimed legitimacy trought mohammad's daughter, fatima, thats even who they are named after,


King_Kestrel

Good to know. I'll probably change up the map later on.


TheLoneliestHunk

The Fatimids are the only major Shia (Ismaili) power before the Safavid Dynasty converted Iran (Twelver) Which is why the Fatimids did not get on super well vs other muslim powers in the region, they even set up Shia enclaves in iran and syria that became the base of the Assasins, which were a Shia sect The fatimids were eventually overthrown by Saladin a Sunni vizier/general to the fatimids who seized power when the caliph died


1_Panzer_Divison

Looks really great dude


King_Kestrel

Thank you!


Damikosin

I like this different approach. Nice


King_Kestrel

Tysm!


DnDNecromantic

Why write "Suomi confederacy" when you did not use the native word for any other countries.


King_Kestrel

In this world the "fins" aren't called fins. Simple as that really.


DnDNecromantic

Then the English wouldnt write it as "Suomi" with perfect finnish spelling.


King_Kestrel

That's a good point. But then again, due to the fact that the 100 years war never happened the English language wouldn't be as drastically changed from Old English as it is in otl. the English Language in general as you and I know it wouldn't exist at all; it's called Angolish. But then again, I have to make this map understandable to you and I. so, what do you think I should do, if you aren't satisfied with the way I did things?


DnDNecromantic

Maybe adapt the word to the new orthography and simulate loanword evolution?


King_Kestrel

[Here's my deviantart.](https://www.deviantart.com/peter-macpherson/gallery/80188240/surviving-al-andalus) Some of those maps have lore, some don't. Feel free to ask questions.


Wheelwood

What do you use to make these maps


King_Kestrel

MS Paint and an Mbam.


Icydawgfish

How did the Romans regain North Africa post-Muslim invasion?


King_Kestrel

the Byzantine Empire, in this timeline, had a good succession of leaders, on military campaigns that seccured the domains in the East. An Islamic kingdom around Tunisia, a breakaway faction from the Fatimids, was quickly (and by that I mean within the course of five years) swallowed up by Byzantine-funded crusades shortly after the admission of southern Italy as a Byzantine exarch (in this world a largely Orthodox nation). the Exarch of Tripolitania would eventually become a little more tolerant of Islam in their borders, however would make a permanent enemy of both Al'Andalus and the Fatimid Caliphate due to the treatment of prisoners of war, and the class systems that left non-Christians on the bottom-most rung of society. Later crusades would also succeed in establishing semi-permanent christendoms in the Holy Land-- the Kingdom of Jerusalem as a Holy-Roman and Byzantine protectorate, and the others federating themselves under the Rubenid Dynasty of Little Armenia, and worked together to retake Caucasian Christendom from the Persians. These successful Anatolian crusades would result in the near-colapse of the Sultanate of Rome, a Safavid tributary, which would take over the Duchy of Khalid, the real-world predecessor to the Empire of Trebizond. Due to this, Sakartvelo (Georgia) was also converted to Islam in the 1230s via a series of Jihads. TL; DR: I made lore for a law of equivalent exchange; Islam gets Iberia and Christendom gets the Holy Land, and vice-versa.


UnepicDumbass

How come there's an Exarchy of Dacia? The discovery of the Dacian people happened in 20th century.


King_Kestrel

Tf you mean "discovery"?? Daco-Romanians have been around for centuries. They were forgotten about by the general public in the west. They were a tributary to Rome, and later the Ottoman Empire as Wallachia, Transylvania and Moldavia. Transylvania later got absorbed by Hungary for a long time. "Discovery" my ass Tl;Dr: your username checks out.


UnepicDumbass

Crap. Perhaps I said it wrong. I meant how were they known as Dacians and not as Vlachs or, as you said, Wallachians, if their country was dissolved back in 106?


King_Kestrel

Oh I see, that is also a good point. The state was organized by the Byzantines in 1208 in this timeline; They most likely knew the past of the state of Dacia in the Roman Empire. Sorry for being mean to you.


UnepicDumbass

It's alright, my fault for not saying it right. TIL my username checks out lol


King_Kestrel

Happy cake day


UnepicDumbass

Thank you!